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Palin’s hit list involved 20 Democrats who voted yes for healthcare. The Republicans ran on repealing healthcare in the 2010 elections. The Republicans also spent the last two years rabble rousing over healthcare reform.
The legal definition of terrorism is: “Terrorist involves the systematic use of terror or violence to achieve political goals. The targets of terrorism include government officials, identified individuals or groups, and innocent bystanders.” Terrorism involves acts by subversives, acts of annihilation, criminal acts, demolition, destruction, extermination, fanaticism, revolution, terrorist act, or tyranny.
The political goal of the Republicans is to keep the Obama administration from reversing the last 20 years of loose oversight over corporations. In order to accomplish this, the Koch brothers funded the Tea Party and set their foot soldiers into motion. Obstructing healthcare reform was their first goal and the Koch brothers would tell you that this is because they are free market liberty ideologues (ironically, healthcare reform uses free market principle of competition among private entities to achieve its goal but it also involves stronger regulations and this is what the corporatists feel they must fight).
Historically, ideology has motivated Middle Eastern terrorist regimes, where religious fundamentalism is now combined with secular opposition as a source of violence. This sounds frighteningly like the merger of the hard Dominionist New Apostle Reform fundamentalist Christians (Palin) with the far right Tea Party. An important psychological component of terrorism is the symbolism behind it, and hence the targets of terrorism are symbols of the state (your elected representatives) or of social norms (civility, not showing up with assault weapons at a townhall meeting) and structure (townhall meetings, meet and greet with your representative). Thorton defined terrorism thusly: “In an internal war situation, terror is a symbolic act designed to influence political behavior by extranormal means, entailing the use or threat of violence.”
And that’s the real point – the threat of violence is enough because terrorism works on the psychology of the targets. It’s a form of extreme political behavior and its effectiveness in influencing political events depends on arousing emotions. Does this sound familiar? Recall the fear of the townhall meetings, the outrage when the average citizen couldn’t be heard, the outrage over Palin’s hit list, Bachmann’s call to raise arms against this government and Angle’s second amendment remedies. Recall how we adapted to this behavior, subtly adjusting our expectations and reactions so as not to provoke the beast. In order for political terrorism to be successful, the target audience must feel psychologically threatened.
The target audience would be the majority of Americans and our elected officials. And this is why as we try to hold these folks accountable for their actions, we’re getting nothing but push back, further fanaticism and deliberate invoking of our outrage with their staunch denials of responsibility. They know how to control the reaction. If they keep mounting and escalating their offense, it will keep us hopping from one crisis to the next without our ever being able to adequately deal with any of them. This is a common tactic used by anyone employing psychological terror in order to effect control.
Terrorism requires more than the lone gunman. Effective political terrorism involves leaders and a network of supporters. Studies show that leaders of terrorists regimes are often what we refer to as the narcissistic personality type, people with the charisma to make violent behavior seem attractive and who fail to take or feel responsibility for their actions. This can combine with what is termed neurotic hostility, which involves a sensitivity to criticism and a deeply suspicious, aggressive nature.
The network of supporters take on the tasks of public relations, fund raising, and propaganda in addition to the actual perpetrators of the violence. It could be suggested that the Republican Party leaders mounted the public relations campaign against healthcare reform using violent rhetoric and inaccurate characterizations of the bill (with the larger target being to disrupt and disempower the Obama administration), funded by the Koch brothers who propped up the Tea Party foot soldiers “grass roots movement”, while Fox News provided the propaganda necessary to form the complete network in order to create the climate for political terrorism.
A perfect example of this would be the successful systemic disruption of townhall meetings by Tea Party foot soldiers, which resulted in the political goal of creating chaos and fear. Lawmakers were afraid to vote for it and citizens were afraid to go speak to their representatives. While healthcare miraculously got passed even after months of political threats and violence, a part of the terrorist’s mission was accomplished. The lawmakers were now afraid of the Tea Party. Note that the mainstream media was complicit in this effort as it took the media a long time to begin to identify that perhaps the Tea Party was not a grassroots movement of angry people but rather a well-funded astroturfed missile aimed at healthcare reform by financial interests.
Many who’ve studied the motives behind those who enact the actual act of violence (Jared Lee Loughner, the alleged shooter in this case) supported by the network suggest that to assume the individual terrorist is mentally ill is to ignore the political and social issues raised by terrorism. Rather than mere mental illness driving terrorists, psychologists find that terrorism is more likely to be a product of frustrated but rational idealism. However, the perpetrator of the actual violence need not subscribe to the political agenda of the organization.
Rather, Fred Kaplan suggests that the actual terrorists (rather than the organization behind them) are driven by feelings of inferiority and impotence stemming from the natural self-righteousness inherent within the terrorist mindset. However, studies also show that far right terrorist groups employ the insanity defense more often than far left terrorists groups, as indeed, far right terrorists (who may have been attracted to the glorification of violence typical of right wing terrorism which would tend to attract the more deeply disturbed) display a far higher incidence of psychotic personalities than do their left wing counterparts.
Any effective terrorist campaign must use the threat of violence, even if discrete, in order to achieve its goal. As it pertains to the effectiveness of Sarah Palin’s hit list (i.e., those targeted by the “leader” and those who were then threatened by the foot soldiers), Daily Kos diarist RobertInWisconsin has a list of the 20 representatives targeted by Palin’s hit list. At least 11 of the 20 received death threats (and one suffered an assassination attempt) after being placed in Palin’s crosshairs. That is a successful terrorism campaign, reaching over 50% of its intended targets plus the added impact of terrifying those who witnessed or just heard about the massacre.
One of the intended consequences of terrorism is to leave the audience too emotionally vulnerable and exhausted to react to the next attack, which most likely will be an attempt to get whatever the terrorist organization wants from the audience. This is also referred to as bargaining, but of course, it’s not really bargaining when the power remains with the terrorist organization precisely because they hit the audience when it’s been weakened and distracted by grief, horror, or fear.
Don’t be surprised next week if the Republicans use this to their advantage in presenting their repeal healthcare reform bill. Republicans have already refused Democrats request to postpone next week’s vote to repeal healthcare reform. Sure, this sounds sickening and I hope I’m wrong, but then this entire campaign was designed to derail the Obama administration and terrorize them into not regulating big business. Everyone is now sufficiently terrorized and thus primed for the “bargaining” process.
Instead of pulling back on their rhetoric, the Republicans may well ramp it up after a week of “sharing the blame” due to their inherent inability to take responsibility for their own actions and failures. I’ve heard their attempts to equivocate Palin’s map with the Democratic target map (sign of Target store). Of course, this denies that Democrats are simply not guilty of the systemic use of violent rhetoric as well as denying that there is not a Republican representative from said map lying in a hospital bed having been shot through the head. But most relevantly, it is not the Democrats who are out of power and the intent of this campaign was to overtake or disrupt this administration – not to maintain power. Notice that when the Republicans are in power, obedience to authority and respecting the President are the prized cultural values whereas when a Democrat is in power we see an uprising of the anti-government, militia oriented “Don’t Tread on Me” culture.
Here’s Palin from earlier this year when giving a speech to the Tea Party, mocking the concern shown over her map with the crosshairs on Democrats across the country, “This B.S. coming from the lamestream media lately about us inciting violence, don’t let the conversation be subverted, don’t let a conversation like that get you off track.” Yes, by all means, stay on track, er target.
Imagine if it were Islamic anti-government radicals who had been spreading the sort of lies and propaganda the GOP has when this brutal massacre occurred. How would the nation react to their attempts to distance themselves from their own words and graphics? How would the media and the American people respond to the rage of the Right if they were dressed as fundamentalist Muslims?
The GOP will find a way to use this tragedy to their own ends, to achieve their political goals. While I’m not suggesting they planned this tragedy, I am suggesting that they used stochastic terrorism to create the perfect culture of a terrorist organization, complete with propaganda and PR wherein the paranoid, susceptible foot soldiers only needed to turn on their TV or radio to get their instructions. I’m not suggesting they wanted people massacred, but they did know the power of their words as political leaders and they recklessly or deliberately continued their verbal assault of frightening lies about this government married with violent rhetoric. Their campaign is working; we are terrorized.
The real question that they don’t want any one to ask is why they feel they need to resort to propaganda and threats to achieve their goals? And the answer is that their goals do not serve the needs or the best interests of the American people. They serve the Koch brothers et al. This isn’t a political debate or a difference in ideology. This is war on the psyche of the American people in order to terrorize them into allowing far-right corporatist ideology to prevail.

Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 10:32 am
you are absolutely right, for two years the Republicans have bounced from lie to lie on a variety of subjects. A constant barrage of fear. They continue to do the same thing over health care. They expect that sooner or later you will tire of the fear rhetoric and just lay down.
People such as Glenn Beck know exactly what their words are doing. The only real question is is it part of something or is it just an individual scramble for cash. John Boehner knows that he is lying when he talks about the job killing health bill that doesn’t kill any jobs. It is like an entire layer of fear being thrown over everyone like a blanket. There is little doubt that when the House passes a repeal of the healthcare bill in the Senate shuts it down the Republicans are going to “go berserk” and tell the American public how awful this is going to be for the country and there will be dire ramifications.
But again if you take it out to its logical ( to me anyways) conclusion, the Republicans would actually have no power in the end. This is simply a game in which the Republicans are tools to achieve an end for entities containing vast amounts of money
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Eykis
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
Sarah, great article Since your article the other day about the Dominionists, I’ve read quite a bit about them – these people are completely duped and live in total fear and outrage. There is nothing “Christ like” in their beliefs or their demeanor towards fellow human beings. It is like the Teabaggers and the Rightwing are all followers of David Koresh and do not realize they are in a cult of misinformation and non-reality. There is NO majority of Xtians marching on theirs knees for this country to go to a theocracy and it appears most are too ignorant to catch on or they would leave before the violence begins.
The Rethugs have no ideas and no solutions – they are voting to repeal HC because that is what the Teabaggers want to hear – they don’t understand what is going on around them or in the World At Large so they just listen to anyone who fills their particular cup of hate and fear.
I just clicked on a re-run of Beckanoia with a man who is some sort of (seems legit) of global business tycoon – was in some project with Soros (drink!) 40 years ago and had nothing bad to say about the man. Beck is trying now to make us FEARFUL of China and their “communism” and “nationalism” and when the man speaks up – he literally tells Beck that China can call itself anything it wants but they are more like us than we are and basically to quit calling them communists because they are not even communists anymore. This is part of Becks E-4 BS and NOBODY AGREES with the revisionism by Beck – that is good, but I doubt the fans of Beckanoia figured out that Beck was being called an idiot and know-nothing by this man of the world. Beck did not seem to realize it until the end of the show.
YIKES – we must be vigilant. As Potok of the Southern Law Poverty Center has reported, there are many cults and militias – far more than before – and there will be another Jonestown or Waco or Ruby Ridge. Yeppers, they can call it an Army of God but in the end, they are all just new versions of the Cult of Darkness.
Shiva,
Terrific post. I really enjoy your posts as much as Sarah’s articles. In fact, several here have become my favorite “thinkers” and thank you all for that opportunity.
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Eykis
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
SORRY. I posted this on the wrong thread.
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Dusty
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Sarah,
Nice Article.
Not sure if you are aware that SarahPAC only contributed to those 20 races which Palin had targeted. In Ohio one of the Congressman who lost has moved out of his former district due to the smear campaign of the GOP/Tea Party aka Palin followers.
I would like to see everyone in the Media link the GOP to the Tea Party every time they refer to the Tea Party. Since they call themselves a “Movement” (I will refrain from additional snark re: the word movement) I think they should be always be linked back to the GOP every time.
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Phil Perspective
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Since they call themselves a “Movement” (I will refrain from additional snark re: the word movement) I think they should be always be linked back to the GOP every time.
The corporate media won’t because it’s the corporate media. Thirty years ago, the media wouldn’t give these modern day Birchers the time of day. Now? I wonder how extreme, on the right, is too extreme for the corporate media. I wonder if there is any limit. But the Teahadists are the base of the GOP and should be recognized by all as such.
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Anne
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Sarah, thanks for another informative article. It serves as yet another fact-filled one that undercuts that other Sarah’s attempts to paint herself as a victim. Her actions and words, as well as those of her minions, were part of a well-orchestrated effort to derail the health care reform bill. She continues to be part of the efforts to discredit this presidency, along with the Tea Party and the other “pundits” on FOX Noise.
While the hard right accuses liberals of trying to use this for political advantage, they are playing the victim in disregard of what they like to call “personal responsibility.” That even includes painting Jared Loughner as a “gay leftist,” as if the political leanings of someone so unbalanced matters.
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TomandLou
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
The irrational has become the norm ! It would be easy to say “Oh well “But we must not let them get away with this.Beck and those like him and those that fund him are benefactors and beneficiaries of this vile intrusion into our lives.If only everyone would make a choice to hit them where it hurts , In the pocketbook and In the voting booth ; There’s a good chance of a positive impact if our resolve is to crank it up from our end . ( For a change ) They don’t have us in their grasp but they would like us to think they do ! We can do this without violence but with dignity and resolve ! No guns , no hateful rhetoric but the American way . Don’t buy what they sell, look for the product that doesn’t back this terrorism that’s disguised as politics.Phone calls to these men and women disguised as politicians,Vote them out and starve them out.They do nothing to enhance our lives ; Instead they work to enslave us ! It’s easy and again its the American Way ! Don’t let them take that away from us! “Remember they want us to bow down to their way of life”. Lets make them respect ours !
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crystalwolfakacaligrl
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Sarah as always a awesome & informed article! I would like to ad something…last week a staffer for McCain resigned saying “I’m not going to take a bullet for anyone”. He is “terrorized” by the TeaPary/baggers!
I’m sure everyone knows McCain is GOP?
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majii
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
In spite of what they may think, this is one liberal who refuses to be terrorized by their words and actions. I can’t afford to be. I saw all of this before when I lived under segregation, and the lesson I learned was that ignoring the behavior does not make it go away. It makes the perpetrators bolder. The best way to deal with this is to keep shining a light on the behavior and to show up at public events, let our voices be heard, and let the truth be known. We must have the facts when we attend these events, and we must use them when the republican politicians lie. These political terrorists do not represent all Americans although the GOP continues to make the claim that it does.
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janet Scarbrough
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Thanks for a great article. This gunman in Tuscan IS a terrorist. Knowing that people
are packing heat at townhall meetings IS frightening. Anyone, including McCain who
disagrees with the KochPartiers will be targeted. America has changed for the worse,
not because of Obama or healthcare reform but because of sheer greed.
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sallyngarland,tx
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
I don’t think Palin will tone down her rhetoric because I think she thinks she can win the WH through fear.
Palin is abusive and an abuser. If she were in an abusive one on one relationship and she used crosshairs on a map and violent rhetoric, she would be considered terrorizing and abusing the other person. In this case, the abused are much of the American public.
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Eykis
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Hey Sally from Mudflats!
Guess us Metroplex gals recognize the Texan~Lake Highlands born and bred.
You are so correct. Snowbilly Grifter would have an Order of Protection issued AGAINST HER in a personal situation for her behavior and abusive language. Snowbilly Grifter THREATENS Americans each time she opens her moronic mouth.
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Beltway Bandit
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Another “journalist” capitalizing on a distraction (SP).
We’ve got 2 wars, an economy that continues to head south, debt (lot’s of debt), and you’re focus is SP – who has ZERO affect any of the above? You’re headed to the 3rd world folks, SP is the least of your troubles.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
There are many important subjects to write about. Some I am sure do not meet your approval. Strong suggestion: If you don’t like the movie, get up and go get some raisins.
SP is a cause for hate rhetoric in this country and therefore is relevant
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Don
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
When logic doesn’t work, resort to inflammatory namecalling.
1) There is no evidence of a causal relationship between being placed in S.P.’s crosshairs and the death threats. How many polititians have received death threats *without* being in the crosshairs? What if 50% of all representatives get death threats at some point anyway? Do we know that this is not so? It is an important dataset to really show causality here. Many reps and other folks in the political arena do receive death threats. Sarah Palin, for instance, has.
2) In past races, some democrats have used similar “crosshair maps” on their websites. Were they terrorists?
3) Perhaps we should outlaw violent metaphors all together. Anybody yelling “crush him!” or “kill the quarterback” at a football game should be jailed immediately and questioned as a terrorist.
We’ve got two factions in this country that interpret the “for the common good” clause in the constitution in vastly different ways. This is the root item that we all need to sort out. Instead, both sides act like children and call each other names and daemonize each other. THAT is the behavior that motivated the “shellac-ing”, resulting in sending a lot of career polititions home in the past elections. It was not terrorism, racism, or the rise of satan.
A lot of people in this country are very afraid of the Pelosi politique. The article above, and others on this website criticise those who have opposed the healthcare reform bill, yet in the hours before it was passed, NOBODY could inform the public of the details enclosed therein. If the representatives do not have time to read the bills they are passing, then things should SLOW DOWN. It is rediculous that they can give a thumbs-up to a measure then reject responsibility later by admitting that they had not read the whole bill. The situation is insane. Accountability should follow every vote. The devil is in the details. Those of you that champion the HCR law, do you agree with:
* The government getting a tax on new home sales approximately equal to what the real estate agent gets? How is this going to help the housing market heal? Why are there so many tax increases embedded in the bill if HCR reform is supposed to contain costs?
* The under-50 employee mandatory health coveraged exemption specifically NOT applying to the construction industry? Why were they singled out?
* The requirement for all companies to issue 1099s to every party that they have done more than $600 worth of business with during the year? The IRS has stated that they could not handle that paperwork anyway, and this requirement is going to KILL many small businesses.
* The fact that hundreds of companies have already been granted individual waivers? This sounds like favor-granting to me! If it looks corrupt, sounds corrupt, and smells corrupt…
OK, so what if you *do* agree with the items above. Can’t you see why others might not?
Can none of this stuff ever be discussed intelligently again? This “if you are on the other side of the isle you must be a terrorist of the devil himself” attitude only serves to stir up the emotions of the intellectually challenged, but doesn’t serve the country at all.
Don
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
2 things. You could go up and read this paragraph
“Any effective terrorist campaign must use the threat of violence, even if discrete, in order to achieve its goal. As it pertains to the effectiveness of Sarah Palin’s hit list (i.e., those targeted by the “leader” and those who were then threatened by the foot soldiers), Daily Kos diarist RobertInWisconsin has a list of the 20 representatives targeted by Palin’s hit list. At least 11 of the 20 received death threats (and one suffered an assassination attempt) after being placed in Palin’s crosshairs. That is a successful terrorism campaign, reaching over 50% of its intended targets plus the added impact of terrifying those who witnessed or just heard about the massacre.”
And then you should give credits when you copy and paste peoples work.
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TheOneBob
Jan. 16th, 2011 at 1:20 am
Don,
While I truly appreciate the genial tone of your comment, I think that I can demonstrate why some on the left have become impatient with those on the right who are parroting talking points (many pandering to fears) put forth by ‘leaders’ of conservative thought.
To address some of your points:
1) Rep. Giffords eerily saw the causality and (I don’t know where all the lawyers are but) I’m sure her father will bring at least a civil suit.
2) You’re vague in your reference to Democrat crosshair maps and after an Internet search, I’m positive that you won’t be able to provide an example that gives names of Republican opponents.
3) You’re being silly (and attempting to distract). We all know football is violent.
Regarding your unnumbered paragraph about sending career politicians home in the last election, I accept the point that many voters are sick of attack ads but I think that since attack ads were fairly evenly distributed between the parties, that it wasn’t the primary reason for the shellacking.
I would put forth that fear-mongering by right wing pundits regarding the ‘diabolical otherness’ of Democrats (e. g.: labeling them as ‘socialists’ for voting for a health care reform bill that guarantees insurance corporations business and doesn’t include a public option). By ‘diabolical otherness’, I specifically mean to say that, yes, I think the right wing pandered to tea partiers’ fears of other races and of the devil.
To address your points regarding health care reform:
FactCheck has a page regarding the tax on new home sales here.
Construction companies of fewer than 50 employees ARE exempt according to the Associated General Contractors newsletter of 4/1/2010.
As for the 1099 provision, the White house and the House agree the requirement should be removed but haven’t yet agreed on how to do it. Not to worry.
Again, FactCheck has a page regarding the TEMPORARY (1-year) waivers for companies providing “mini-med” plans here.
Now that I’ve done a little research and intelligently discussed your concerns regarding health care reform, I s’pose you’re on board with it.
Bob
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Don
Jan. 16th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Bob,
Thanks for you researched reply.
1) I would still contend that the fact that the event occurred — would not necessarily prove causality. The proof is really locked inside a very sick, sick mind. As far as civil lawsuit, they can try but they will fail. The first ammendment specifically protects political speech — and if the suit could get around that, I don’t think that motive could be proved. The 1st ammendment protects us from a lot, but the downside is that people in the political world can’t even sue for slander even if they can prove the other party told a bald-face lie. That is why hack political blogs can exist in both the Democrat and Republican camps!
2) In the most cited map, Florida, Arkansas, Virginia, Ohio, Iowa, and Missouri are “targeted”. I see nothing wrong with the Democrat map. I don’t think it had a violent motive. But, I don’t think Palin’s map had a violent motive either.
3) I don’t think my analogy was silly or off base. When you read the Democrat and Republican political websites, how can you come up with an assessment other than we are at war? As civalized folks, the violence should not become physical, but it is there.
As far as the 3.8% tax on new home sales, your cited reference did clear up that it was aimed at the 200K+ crowd, and that it also affected other investments. Also, it became clear to me that the 200K income level was not indexed. This means that we are headed for another AMT mess. AMT was meant to “target” the rich too, but it affectes the middle class increasingly (and would extremely so if they did not tweak it every year).
I’ll need to take your word on the construction company thing, since I cannot find the reference.
Regarding the temporary waivers, these items are still being done on a company-by-company basis. How is this fair? There should have been a blanket waiver delaying compliance of all those with mini-med plans. If the bill has a timing problem, why not just fix it for real?
On board with it? I’ve gotta tell you that it still scares the crap out of me. A measure that complex should have been *designed*, not piecemealed together with damn few people having read the whole bill before approval. In a responsible government world, every representative (or their staff) would have comprehensively read the entire FINAL bill before voting.
Regarding your “diabolical otherness” comment, I encourage you to go to Shiva’s website and read here description of Republicans. Really the same crap is happening on both sides of the isle. They are pointing at each other and calling each other the devil. Both sides have their extremist parts, but painting the opposing party with such a broad brush (and coloring that brush with the extreme parts) does not represent the true demographic.
Both sides really need to learn that the media is bull. They get their points by soliciting strong reactions, and they will do so by filtering everything through a distorting lens. If there is an otherwise orderly rally of 7000 folks and 2 people are wearing sheets and chanting racial slurs, where is the camera going to point? The Tea Party, for instance, is not exemplified by Glenn Beck, but moreso by Herman Cain.
Bob, I feel that neither side is the “devil”, and the ideology of both sides has good and bad points. Both parties have some “unholy” alliances going on, and nobody’s hat is really sparking white here. I really like your “diabolical otherness” term, but I see guilt on both sides.
Thanks,
Don
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 16th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
I’m sorry you don’t agree with the limerick that is at the top of the page. In fact I am crushed to my soul.
However you may notice that all my rhetoric is aimed not at republicans in general, but of the leadership. The Becks, The DeMints, the Boehners etc. My right to opinion. My changing my opinion and writing nice prose about flowers will NOT change what the republicans or anyone else is doing.
Nice try. Say, why not go back and read what i wrote today?
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Don
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Two things for you Shiva:
1) That paragraph does not touch on how likely those reps were to receive death threats if the target map was never published. This could have been accomplished by providing data from interviews with all the reps who were NOT on that graph. You did not read MY response carefully. No statistical evidence for causality was present in the original article because of this data omission.
2) No portion of my response was “cut and paste”. I challenge you to point out a section that was copied. You play the “go ahead and accuse, since the defender will never completely wash the stain out” game, don’t you. You are some piece of work.
Don
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
It was noted that upon getting on the list, 11 of 20 received death threats. Plus one assassination attempt. You did not post anything saying they would not be likely to get threats. Shucks. You are taking the chickencrap way out. The facts are as they stand. 11 of 20 of the representatives receoved death threats after the map went out.
I would like to thank you for your approval of me and my work.
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Don
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Shiva,
Please understand that when you say:
“The facts are as they stand. 11 of 20 of the representatives recieved death threats after the map went out.”
…that I do not challenge that statement at all!
However, since neither Sarah or the author she cited presented any information regarding how common it is for reps to receive threats (in general), the fact that these 11 threats occurred was not enough to support the thesis of her article.
Let’s say that I wanted to write a similar article with the same thesis. To really “put the nail in the coffin” (if I may use such a violent metaphor), I could make a statement (backed up by data that could be found and verified) that “in a typical month, x% of democrat representatives will receive a death threat”.
If “x” above was a very small number, the support for the thesis is strong. If it is in double digits, not so much…
Really, you only reacted to item #1 of my original post, which was the most matter-of-fact. I did not contend that the thesis of the original article was false, but that it was unsupported. Later on, I branched into opinion, but oddly enough none of that was challenged.
Alas, I am afraid that the reason my post was challenged was because I underscored a big weakness in the *central* argument in the original article. It kind of deflates the whole article, doesn’t it? When reading this type of article, one must look not only for what is there, but what is omitted!
I’m sure nothing I’ve said here will change your mind. You believe what Sarah said to be 100% true. What is politics after all if not dogma? Again, both sides are guilty of this to the detriment of the country.
Still waiting for the details of your plagarism accusation by the way…
Don
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 16th, 2011 at 12:29 am
I fully understand statistics. And statistically the other 9 had not been receiving any death threats.
Sorry to blow a hole in your theory
As for your accused plagiarism, to coin a phrase Im sure you can see why it looks like plagiarism no? I mean its pure talking points after all!
BTW, its plagiarism
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Don
Jan. 16th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Plagarism is the willful copying or close approximation to someone else’s literary work.
Conveying the same *idea* as already disclosed by somebody else is not plagarism.
Ideas flow freely.
If you have a problem with the ideas, challenge the idea. Coloring them as “talking points” does not detract or re-inforce them. An idea classified as a “talking point” is no less valid. It must be challenged in it’s own right.
If someone disproves an idea or a “talking point”, one with intellect would stop propagating it. So few people on these polical boards practice that!
Bob “gets it”, and corrected me on one or two things. You, not so much so. I won’t be interacting with you any more. I don’t see the point.
Don
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 16th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
My point was, you simply posted the same talking points that so many post. I’m sure you “got it”.
Your post “appeared” to be like so many of the emails that go out and that are posted on websites. Just as you posted them here.
Posts that are copy and pasted.
BTW, its plagiarism. Use Firefox instead of IE 8 and it would correct it for you.
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C.L.
Jan. 15th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
Excellent post, Sarah! Illuminating and chilling.
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Rick Bryant
Jan. 16th, 2011 at 9:38 am
IS this actually a form of Homegrown terrorism in the making and funded? Just safe from prosecution?
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frsbdg
Jan. 16th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Palin and her army of flying monkeys can spin all they want, but the connection (and culpability) are there. Some asshat carries and displays a firearm at a rally, and Palin describes the Teabagger phenomenon as “a beautiful movement.” Sorry sister, but you own this. I hope all the victims and families of the deceased tie your ass up with civil suits from now until hell freezes over. If I had my way, you would be locked up in a jail cell wallpapered with pictures of them all. And there above your cot, would be the image of a nine year-old girl who died because of you.
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White Rabbit
Jan. 17th, 2011 at 12:13 am
The gunman was no right wing nut. He was Jewish and his family went to the same synagogue as “Gabby”. But you aren’t interested in the truth I’ll bet.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 17th, 2011 at 12:50 am
So your argument for him not being a right wing nut is that he was Jewish? Thats it?
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MonaLisa
Jan. 17th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Sarah, I wouold LOVE to see/hear you debate Michelle Malkin and put her to shame. You commentaries are always so spot on and well researched. Written in a way that even Sarah Palin could understand. Why have we not seen you on the Network news shows. Ar least at MSNBC. Keep writing I love your analysis of all things Political
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