Last night on MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow show, Maddow explained that Michigan Republican Governor Rick Snyder is pushing a bill through that will give ultimate governmental power literally to corporations, thereby using shock doctrine tactics to create a dystopian government. Synder’s bill not only goes after collective bargaining rights, but does in fact seem to represent the Republicans’ final solution to killing democracy by enabling the replacement of elected officials, dissolving entire city’s government and handing them over to corporations. Snyder calls his “budget bill” a “shared sacrifice,” but it gifts corporations with 1.8 billion in tax breaks while hitting citizens with harder taxes, including seniors and other vulnerables, and cutting essential services to an already suffering region.
Here is the video from MSNBC:
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Rachel Maddow began her segment on Michigan with, “The Michigan House has already passed and the Michigan Senate is about to pass a bill that sounds like it is out of a dystopian leftist novel from the future. If you think Republican governors across the country are using fiscal crisis as a pretext to do stuff they otherwise want to do, this is something I don’t think I would have ever believed Republicans even wanted to do, but this is what they are proposing. This hasn’t gotten much national attention, but please check this out.”
She described the threat to democracy in Michigan, “Gov. Rick Snyder’s budget in Michigan is expected to cut aid to cities and towns so much that a lot of cities and towns in Michigan are expected to be in dire financial straits. Right now, Gov. Snyder is pushing a bill that would give himself, Gov. Snyder and his administration, the power to declare any town or school district to be in a financial emergency. If a town was declared by the governor and his administration to be in a financial emergency they would get to put somebody in charge of that town, and they want to give that emergency manager that they just put in charge of the town the power to, “reject, modify, or terminate any contracts that the town may have entered in to, including any collective bargaining agreements.”
The bill also has the power to suspend or dismiss elected officials, “This emergency person also gets the power under the bill to suspend or dismiss elected officials. Think about that for a second. Doesn’t matter who you voted for in Michigan. Doesn’t matter who you elected. Your elected local government can be dismissed at will. The emergency person sent in by the Rick Snyder administration could recommend that a school district be absorbed into another school district. That emergency person is also granted power specifically to disincorporate or dissolve entire city governments.”
Maddow said Michigan Republicans want to abolish entire towns, “What year was your town founded? Does it say so like on the town border as you drive into your town? Does it say what year your town was founded? What did your town’s founding fathers and founding mothers have to go through to incorporate your town? Republicans in Michigan want to be able to unilaterally abolish your town and disincorporate it. Regardless of what you as resident of that town think about it. You don’t even have the right to express an opinion about it through your locally elected officials who represent you, because the Republicans in Michigan say they reserve the right to dismiss your measly elected officials and to do what they want instead because they know best.”
What’s worse is that this power to be abolish governments could be handed to corporations, “The version of this bill that passed the Republican controlled Michigan House said it was fine for this emergency power to declare a fiscal emergency invoking all of these extreme powers, it was fine for that power to be held by a corporation. So swaths of Michigan could at the governor’s disposal be handed over to the discretion of a company. You still want your town to exist? Take it up with this board of directors of this corporation that will be overseeing your future now, or rather don’t take it up with them. Frankly, they’re not interested.”
Maddow talked about the power grab behind the fabrication of a fiscal emergency, “The power to overrule and suspend elected government justified by a financial emergency. Oh, and how do you know you’re in a financial emergency, because the governor tells you, you’re in a financial emergency, or a company he hires to do so, does that instead. The Senate version of the bill in Michigan says it has to be humans declaring your fiscal emergency. The House bill says a firm can do that just as well.”
Rachel Maddow concluded, “This is about a lot of things. This is not about a budget. This is using or fabricating crisis to push for an agenda you’d never be able to sell under normal circumstances, and so you have to convince everyone that these are not normal circumstances. These are desperate circumstances and your desperate measures are there for somehow required. What this is has a name. It is called shock doctrine.”
Naomi Klein, author of “The Shock Doctrine” implies that man made crises are used to push the “free market principles” of Milton Friedman et al, which are pushed through while the citizens are reacting to disasters or upheavals. The perpetrators of the shock doctrine require a violent destruction of the existing economic order in order to achieve their means. In the case of the Michigan governor, Snyder positioned himself in a state already reeling from financial crisis, vulnerable and ripe for a takeover.
This is no different than when George W Bush’s administration terrified a nation after 9/11 with lies of weapons of mass destruction and terror alert levels elevating every time Bush’s approval ratings sank or an election was upcoming. Except that in this case, the Republicans waged a fiscal war on America during the eight disastrous Bush years by killing what they termed “big government”" but is really known as governmental oversight of corporations, which allowed Wall Street to play fast and loose with our money while Bush went incompetently to war on “terror” and left the wars off of the budget all together.
Now that they’ve terrorized Americans with a fiscal recession, thereby hitting us in the heart of our security centers, they are not apologizing or attempting to learn from their mistakes because for them, the financial devastation of the majority of Americans is not a mistake, but a means to an end.
And like any good bully or dictator, the time to strike is when you’ve sucker punched your victim and he or she is lying on the ground helpless, barely clinging to life; people will give up all kinds of personal liberties when they’re desperate. So now they are striking at us by deploying Republican governors as missiles of economic warfare around the country; taking away collective bargaining, taking away Medicaid, pushing for state militias ruled by the Republican governor, and now in Michigan, literally giving the government to corporations. All of this will result in a Republican dystopia; a negative utopia often characterized by an authoritarian or totalitarian form of government which entails a repressive and controlled state.
Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder is calling this power grab a “$45 billion cost-cutting budget,” thereby attempting to package an unprecedented power grab as the answer to fiscal woes. Governor Synder suggests these cuts are part of a “shared sacrifice”, as he tries to appeal to the renowned work ethic of heartlanders. Of course, that “shared sacrifice” raises taxes on Michiganders while cutting services and changes the state’s corporate tax structure so only large “C” corporations pay business taxes while all other corporations get off scot-free. This amounts to a 1.8 billion dollar tax break to business. This “shared sacrifice” eliminates tax breaks for seniors and low-income workers and gets kills many other income tax deductions for individuals.
And all of that financial devastation wreaked upon the already suffering citizens is topped by Synder handing government over to the corporations. Synder’s “shared sacrifice” is simply an attempt to package dystopia as utopia – the solution to woes, when it is in fact, the final Republican “solution” to democracy.
The shame Governor Snyder and his fellow Republicans are heaping on this great land is staggeringly breath-taking. The fact that Snyder’s bill will essentially obliterate democracy in Michigan while at the same time putting an already suffering citizenry into the poor house doesn’t seem to bother him one whit; in fact, he says “I hope we all look back and say: ‘This was a defining moment.’” Yes, it is a defining moment, Governor Synder. It is the moment Republicans drove their corporate tankers right through hard-working, devastated Americans and stole their liberties along with their food and shelter.
But Snyder, like his fellow Republican Governor in Wisconsin, has underestimated is the spirit of heartlanders. While Senate Democrats are outnumbered in Michigan 26-12, and hence their attempts to amend Synder’s dystopian bill were roundly ignored, more than 1,000 protesters rallied yesterday at the Capitol and into the rotunda chanting “Kill the bill.” The Republicans may be able to push their dystopia on Michiganders, but they are wrong if they are counting on willing submission to their take-over. Michiganders might be down, but they are never out.



Hrafnkell
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Thank goodness for Rachel Maddow. The Republican opportunists and reactionaries saw their chance after the 2010 elections and took it. They didn’t realize they were making a terrible mistake…the disease of believing your own propaganda was not limited to Hitler and Göbbels. We need Rachel and people like Rachel to expose the Republican fascist madness for what it is. Time to start calling Snyder by Walker’s title: Gauleiter.
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Sarah Jones
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
I am so horrified by what he’s doing to Michigan….This is the final solution.
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Phil Perspective
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Is this bill even legal?
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Sarah Jones
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
That’s debatable, as it removes democracy and the separation of powers, just for starters. Of course, the “constitutional conservatives” don’t appear very concerned about the rule of law these days.
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Rafael
Mar. 15th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
If you are believing Rachel Maddow all hope is lost for you! This is more left propaganda about hungry, kids, and defenseless seniors… Its always the same. Fact of the matter, government employees doing the same work as private sector employees, SHOULD NOT make more money. Taxes from the private sector employees pay for the salary of those in government. No matter which way you slice the pie. Democrats and Unions in government are working hand in hand to take from taxpayers. Stop all the divisive talk and man-up!
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Jim
Mar. 20th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
By the same token, then, no private sector employee doing the same work as a government employee should ever make more money. See to it.
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Jason
Mar. 22nd, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Well, if government employees doing the same work for better money than private sector employees shouldn’t make more money, then, should private sector employees be making more than their government counterparts? See, just as unfair! But, if your idea floats your boat, perhaps we could all move to Russia in the 1940′s and every type of employee (government or private sector) will make exactly the same pay for exactly the same job (namely farming).
Wait… Didn’t the right-wing governments of the past 50 years get us dragged into a series of horrible un-winnable wars trying to save us from the dreaded “C” word?!
Oh, and by the way, welcome to Logic.
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DanD
Mar. 31st, 2011 at 9:03 pm
You can’t make a statement about what should or SHOULD NOT happen and call it a fact–that’s an opinion, doll. And opinions are as ubiquitous as, well, anal orifices. Everyone has one.
BTW, a lot of studies have shown that government employes do not make more than private employees doing the same thing. Look it up.
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Erin
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
I am in agreement with most all of you. But, and it is a big but. This has already happened, save the replace the elected offical, in Buffalo, NY. The city was deemed in fiscal crisis and the state installed a “hard” control board. They had complete control. Contracts went out the window and the board had complete control. Then it switched to a “soft” control board which gave some power back to the elected officals but not much. Where have all the level headed normal people gone?
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Tom Rennert
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Thanks for bringing this to the attention of the people of Michigan. What can be done to stop this budget. I’m looking for names of the people who voted to let this budget bill get this far. Removal of this type is in order.
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Sarah Jones
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
I just posted an article on the recall procedure in MI. You should be able to find the votes on your MI govt website, unless Snyder is making that as non-transparent as he did his bills.
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Eykis
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Gotta love Rachel and her continued exposure of what these Rethug Fascists are attempting to do in the various statehouses.
We need more Rachel’s like Klein out exposing these fraudsters and fakers for what they are – creating crises by allowing corporations and the wealthy to pay little, if any, taxes while they take the middle class down the tubes. It gets worse by the hour.
It will be interesting to see what is going on in Nashville in about 15 minutes when the local news comes on here – the protesters are out in force and the Teabaggers are inside the Capitol trying to remove people’s rights.
As for me, I am researching “recall” procedures for the Teabagging Fascists who lied their way into office in November and have overrun our state.
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InfiniteDelay
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
It makes me so happy that Michigan’s struggle with our Governor is finally getting the attention it needs! The one thing Rachel did not mention throughout all of this too is the huge cuts in public education and university funding that Snyder has proposed and that will likely pass. This is scary stuff and will ultimately drive even more people away from a state that many have already left.
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Sarah Jones
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Good points – the bill does indeed cut funding in many other ways, as Walker’s bill also takes away funding from family planning — the secret hits in the night buried in a “budget bill” – all the while, these same people whined about not being able to read the healthcare bill they had on their desks for a year, along with many aides to read it for them. They have no problem with authoritarian power grabs and ramming unread, unexamined bills through within the first months of a new administration.
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Anne
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
I saw this show last night also, and Snyder seems like he is trying to go even farther in politically disenfranchising the good people of Michigan. As she stated, what’s going on in Michigan has not received nearly as much attention as it should.
While it’s heartening that people in Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan now know that they got more than they ever bargained for, it’s depressing to think of the enormous damage these governors will do before they could ever be recalled.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
CNN is probably the only media that would show it, but unfortunately now it is owned by the tea party express. If you look on their homepage every day you will not see any links to Wisconsin. MSNBC does bring it up now and then
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Kathy
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Democracy Now has good coverage of what is going on in these states. You can find it on Dish or Direct satellite TV. On Dish the No. is 9415 or 9410 and on Direct it is No. 375. Or you can pull it up on the computer at democracynow.org.
Isn’t it amazing that the MSM was covering the Oscars wall to wall but we have a virtual information blackoutwhen it comes to the demonstrations in Wisconsin and the other states.
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Rachel R.
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Part of the problem with MSM is that newspapers are suffering financially and simply cannot afford to do investigative reporting like they used to. Covering the Oscars is easy for a newspaper — they just use AP footage and stories. Covering a complex political story with huge repercussions is a lot more involved and requires far greater resources.
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stringloaded
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 7:35 am
I’ve never “replied” before this, so please forgive if I do this wrong. Three points:
1. I would think that this power grab goes against taxation without representation.
2. In essence this is martial law, so I would think whomever takes over a town would have to do so backed up by mercenaries such as Eric Prince’s lovelies. Are you aware of how many guns and rifles people own out here in the Michigan hinterlands? Will the Second Amendment, held to dearly by the ruggedly independent folks of Michigan, be summarily suspended by this bill too?
3. I worry that most of the resources and infrastructure–water, power, roadways,etc. would be co-opted by the corp.
I live on the Muskegon River, I have a deep well, will the corp. be able to suspend my water rights and cap my well, or drill for natural gas on my land, or seize my crops, or take my cattle?
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Anthony
Mar. 13th, 2011 at 4:51 am
If you look back, the gun fans are always the first to stand up for this kind of power grab, because it gets sold to them as “small government.” Where were the freedom fighters when W abolished habeas corpus and the right to demonstrate?
In any case, private guns are worthless against the State: they can outgun you without trying. It’s still “they got the guns but we got the numbers.”
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bobby
Mar. 13th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
The government has been getting more and more open about their grab for power since 2 things happened 1) the Michigan militia was forced to leave the state and retreat to Wyoming.
2) the patriot act passed without a flaw.
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Reynardine
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
I am quite certain that there are issues of impermissible delegations of powers, acts ultra vires, bills of attainder, and breaches of separation of powers here – to name just a few. Someone who could put it all in a nutshell for you is Congressman Alcee Hastings. As a comparative sprig, I had the privilege of serving as a judicial intern with him. He had a certain knack: he’d tell you four or five sentences that sounded simple, but in twenty-four hours tops, those words would have developed into a cogent legal argument, like the pebbles that, dropped into water, would grow into coral cities.
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Sarah Jones
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Thanks for another astute contribution to the dialogue here. Interested in hearing more, please contact us.
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Bogie Bog
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
The Soviet Union is alive and doing well today. Who would have thought that Kremlin operatives would take over the Republican Party? Michigan is a test case as are Wisconsin and Ohio. Newt Putin 2012 anyone?
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Reynardine
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
How shall I contact you for this purpose? Via your e-mail? (using a Samsung Flight)
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Sarah Jones
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Use the contact us form please. Thanks:-)
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Kevin Schmidt
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Of course this bill is clearly unconstitutional. Our elected representative were elected to do just that, represent us. They were not elected to rule over us like a dictator with an iron fist. Republicans and DINOs who now belong to their newly formed corporation, Democratic Republican Party, Inc., were not elected to thwart the will of the people, and instead, commit mutiny against us, their true employers, by dishonestly representing only their upper 1% plutocratic, kleptocratic, fascist masters.
“We the People” are the government, not our representative who just work for us. They are not the boss of us, “We the People” are the boss of them! Collectively, we can do anything we want, but our employees in our government must do everything we say!
The First Amendment of the Constitution gives us the power to remove anyone from our government at any time we want:
“to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” That means no state or the Federal Government needs to pass a law or give us permission to recall our representatives! We can give ourselves permission, because again, “We the People” are the government!
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Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
I cited an article on here recently which showed from a 10 year study that your Congressman do not pay any attention to the middle class and lower class people whatsoever. Based on their voting over that time., Both Republicans and Democrats voted against the wishes of the people at almost every turn. The people being the middle to lower class. This was on tax issues as well as other pertinent issues. It didn’t matter which party was in charge.
So while I agree with you in essence, in practice I don’t think that makes much difference who we think the government is
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Karen
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
I think Shiva is absolutely correct. I really woke up to the fact when the main stream media slept through the Wisconsin protests and kept beating the “teachers compensation” drum.
Following the money trail is beginning to draw a picture of family syndicates that feed off public money by influencing policy decisions and creating business plans to profit from delivery of services.
I’m pretty sure that where ever one starts digging into the details of one of the “War On [insert recyclable catch phrase here]” the shape of what they’ve been obscuring gets clearer and clearer.
And that shape is resolving into something that I call fascism.
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Jon Bryant
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Well said, Karen!
Fascism is what we have!
Authoritarian, autocratic, despotic Fascism!
The strangulation of democracy commenced when Reagan outlawed the Fairness in Broadcasting act, thus enabling the Nazi/Rupert Murdoch propaganda machine. And with that, the cynics golden rule held sway: the man with the gold rules……
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Catalan at Heart
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
That… is just awful. Here in Wisconsin, our Senate Republicans are looking to make the public into 1984′s ‘junior spies’ and are considering expelling the Democrat Senators upon their return, making them ‘unpersons’ ( http://bit.ly/gj49nv ) but they haven’t dared to do what Michigan is considering.
Man. I don’t have the words right now. This is awful. This is Orwellian.
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Ingarose
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Yes, it is all very frightening. What is also scary is the undercover video taping by Breibart and his junior pimp and prostitute of of different organizations like Acorn and NPR. Whats more their tapes are often edited so people do not hear the whole truth. This kind of undercover spying on ones neighbors etc happened under Hitler but now it seems to be OK and being applauded by Fox News.
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Reynardine
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
¡You don’t think it makes a difference! ¡Abre los ojos, hombre! Under Democrats, at least it stays the same; under Republicans, or in all events the partysnatchers who pass for them these days, it gets worse exponentially! Which would you rather deal with? I have lived longer than you, and I am not a nihilist!
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jhande
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
i disagree, the differences between the current democratic and republican parties are minimal, and mostly cosmetic. barak obama has essentially continued the policies of the republicans, and george bush. the democratic party has betrayed the american citizen who is not monied. this has been happenning for at least thirty years. the democratic party brought us nafta, gatt, the wto, numerous other “free trade” treaties, and most favored nation status for the dictatorship in china. democratic legislators voted to start the two failed
“wars” (has not been declared), and vote to continue them, along with funding for torture, hit squads, and mercenaries. democratic politicions refuse to apply equal justice in the united states; preferring to grant immunity and special privilege to certain monied individuals. the democratic president freezes wages for federal employees, then pushes for a tax cut for the rich, passes it, then says there is a budget crisis and the american citizen needs austerity. the democratic party ensured the supremacy of the corporation (the individuals in the control group of a corporation)through the financial bail out,refusal to criminally prosecute offenders in the financial system, continued push for privatization, and many other policies and legislation. the democratic party falsely advertises itself as the party for the people. it is a lie. do what you want but i have to seriously think about ever voting for a democrat again, barak obama has already lost my vote. i hope a better person runs against him inthe primaries next year. thank you for reading this. jhande
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beatz
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
I am amazed at all the fallacies in your post. Most of what you tout as democratic organizations and legislation was brought forward by republicans. Had you at least slipped in the term “Obamacare” I could have called you out as the repub that you clearly are. As it is, I will suffice to say you are just ill_informed.
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jhande
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
hello, could you be specific about any fallacies in my comment. i do not want to be dispensing misinformation. it is interesting to me that you do not elaborate on your statement that what i posted is incorrect; but instead attack myself, a person you have never met. real life is not high school. politics should not be a contest with pep rallies on each side. republicans have been harmful to the citizens of the united states. republicans are harmful to the citizens of the united states. it is unfortunate that the democratic party in the current era has chosen to follow the republican’s lead. jhande
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d julien
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
if you look at most of of legislation you are complaining about(and I don’t like either), a majority, (if not all) of Republicans voted for them plus a handful of Dems. The majority of Democrats vote one way and the majority of Rpubs vote the other way. Since you need 60 votes in the Senate to pass anything, the Dems were mathematically unable to do much. There IS a difference between the parties…..
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clipblade
Mar. 11th, 2011 at 3:27 am
Your points are clear and illuminating. Thanks for consolidating them! Now…. what can be done?
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Cassandra Vert
Mar. 12th, 2011 at 2:52 am
brief fact check:
Barack Obama has essentially continued the policies of the republicans: he has continued abuses of war power but he has done drastically different things in the economic and education areas. See www.obamaachievements.com
The democratic party has betrayed the american citizen who is not monied. this has been happenning for at least thirty years: Reps held the White House 2/3 of the years from 1980-2010, and it has been their agenda all the way. Both Clinton and Obama passed some real beneficial legislation for the middle class, though they both failed to do enough to regulate the financial sector.
The democratic party brought us nafta, gatt, the wto, numerous other “free trade” treaties: True, both houses of Congress and the White House were blue when these were passed (103rd Congress).
Democratic legislators voted to start the two failed “wars”: Both Afghanistan and Iraq began under Bush 43.
…and vote to continue them, along with funding for torture, hit squads, and mercenaries: I’m not aware that we do physical torture anymore. The rest, yes, but give Obama credit for dialing down in Iraq. That meant something.
Democratic politicions refuse to apply equal justice in the united states; preferring to grant immunity and special privilege to certain monied individuals: yes, but Reps are FAR far worse.
the democratic president freezes wages for federal employees: true
then pushes for a tax cut for the rich: not really fair to say he pushed for this. He pushed for UI, and this is what he had to give up.
then says there is a budget crisis and the american citizen needs austerity: he also said that there had to be tax reform. In fact, he put the Reps in a corner by insisting that no deficit program would be complete without new revenue from tax code reform. This is not shock doctrine crisis talk.
the democratic party ensured the supremacy of the corporation (the individuals in the control group of a corporation)through the financial bail out: the bailout was bipartisan; Bush was still in office.
refusal to criminally prosecute offenders in the financial system: this is definitely true, but this is also a bipartisan problem, in fact it is a systemic problem that goes beyond party. Matt Taibbi did a great article on this in Rolling Stone recently.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
I guess this is why the GOP will not work on any jobs. Anyplace that doesn’t have jobs is going to be in trouble and is open to this type of legislation if it gets passed and determined to be legal. this is open and blatant giving America to the Corporation. All of this ever goes before the Supreme Court I think we know exactly which way it will go, and the people will no longer have a representative government. I don’t believe that we have one now personally.
But more, the White House has to see this. I mean Rachel Maddow is not the only smart person in the world. Why do we hear nothing from the White House and from the Democrats? Are they waiting for 2012 to pop some big political solution to this? Are you so sure that you’re going to get the state legislatures back and be able to dump this stuff? After 2012, and I don’t like to bash the American people like saying they can’t find Idaho on a map, but I seriously have great doubts about the mentality of the states that voted in the Republican regimes. Once you let enough of them in what are the odds of them not letting go of power now that they are giving power to the corporations? If the corporations have the power your government cannot take it back.
In the words of the immortal God Carl Sagan, who speaks for planet Earth?
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marpal
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
So Shiva, You say you seriously have great doubts about the mentality of the states that voted in the Republican regimes? I think you are on to something, but to continue it further, what if those voting machines we got under W Bush administration’s Help America Vote Act (HAVA) made by Republican supporting Companies with touch screens and no paper trail, are the source of the problem? We are being duped at the polls. Why is it that when exit polls do not match the reported vote tallies, that the GOP consistantly wins? Time to get angry and fight this facism!
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Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
I am in total agreement that the voting machines are a possibility, good post
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Karen
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 2:50 am
it makes me want to vomit.
Then it makes me want to cry.
Then I start thinking about what I can do to stop it.
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Karen
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 2:54 am
Darn mispost.
Weve had questionable GOP related voting activity in my county too. Ill be taking a closer look into that.
Great point.
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Bill from Saginaw
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Rick Snyder campaigned clever and low key as a Republican moderate, emphasizing his background as a private sector businessman. His slogan was “One Tough Nerd.” It was a smart, slick advertising campaign that branded Snyder as a pragmatic, non-ideological centrist with proven executive skills, a blend of such former Michigan GOP governors as George Romney (American Motors), Bill Milliken (clothing/home furnishing retail) and John Engler (career politician in state government carrying water for Chamber of Commerce big business interests).
Up until Rachel’s segment, new Governor Snyder has enjoyed a pretty successful media honeymoon. MSNBC’s expose of the fine print about in the Republicans’ proposed austerity budget bill – creating power for the governor’s office to declare a municipal entity in financial crisis, and then appoint some special emergency CEO with the ability to void collective bargaining agreements and other contracts – was eye opening.
Where the Repugs in Wisconsin are abrasive, in-your-face union busters, here in Michigan the rhetoric is muted while the devil lurks in some bland-sounding details tucked in subsections of a giant legislative package that’s supposed to be all about averting fiscal crisis. All in all, a very adroit marketing strategy by team Snyder to date.
Folks outside the Great Lakes State should take note that this business about Lansing appointing an emergency CEO who can cut all red tape faster than a speeding bullet in distressed localities, then leap tall buildings in the name of corporate efficiency has an ominous local history. The Detroit public school system has been functioning (barely) under receivership administered at the state level for some time, courtesy of a genuine fear that there might have been a bankruptcy filing without state takeover and state relief. Just recently, details of the special Lansing-run austerity plan emerged, calling for 60 pupils per classroom in K-12 with mass layoffs.
There’s more than one way to bust public employees’ unions and shrink government services to the point that (as Grover Norquist so eloquently puts it) the baby can be drown in the bathtub with scarcely a whimper heard.
Bill from Saginaw
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Deb
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
This is so insidious – imagine, the bond fund companies that own a municipality’s bonds are given the authority to take over the municipality. They don’t dissolve the municipality, since they would take a haircut on the bonds – instead, the negotiate (with themselves) the bond terms, and stick the people of the municipality with so much debt that they can essentially seize the wages of the people there to pay the “debt”.
So how do we win? In this game, the only way I see to win is not to play – take your money out of the banks and financial institutions and crash the whole thing. When the top 2% of the country commands more wealth than the bottom 50%, they have far more to lose than we do by crashing the system.
What do you all think?
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Nefti17
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
HOW I WONDER ..in the face of how awful these REPUBLICANS in our faces ..can you sit there and blame DEMS? You are so wrong. And if you vote repub? You may as well kiss your arss goodbye. And your kids and your grandmas. Think Wisconsin why don’t you. They’re coming to try and get your benefits, wages, BARGAINING RIGHTS! BUT US DEMS WILL NOT LET THEM HAVE THEIR WAY. AND THEY WILL NOT TAKE ANYMORE FROM OUR CITIZENS! I AM WITH THE DEMOCRATIC 14. I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW PROUD I AM OF THEIR COURAGE. NOT ONE REPUBLICAN HAS EVER IN HIS LIFE..DONE ANYTHING THIS GRAND FOR THE PEOPLE! NEVER will either! REPUBS ARE THROUGH FROM HERE ON OUT. THE WORLD IS WATCHING YOU TRY TO MAKE THIS EGYP! YOU LOST! JUST LIKE MUBARACK!
The good has won over the bad again!
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BRG
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
they just announced on MSNBC that the Repubs have gone the “NUCLEAR OPTION ” route and taken the collective bargaining item out of the Budget Repair Bill and are voting on it right now to pass that by itself . as apparently they dont need a quorum to pull that stunt…..
You guys are better informed than I am.
What does this mean ??
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BRG
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
In Wisconsin ….
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Catalan at Heart
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Could be worse, Michigan. You could live in North Korea.
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Karen
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
That’s never an excuse for suffering oppression of your rights as a free human being. That’s defeatist. That’s giving up.
I prefer to think of ways to make things better, and work for them in ways that I can to evoke actual meaningful impact.
Its like my mom telling me to clean my plate, because other kids were starving in China. I told her I wasn’t hungry and it would make more sense to mail the food I couldn’t eat TO those hungry kids.
She didn’t like that answer.
And neither does anyone who says “It could be worse…”
The corollary is “It could be BETTER”.. think that way, think about what would be better, and start thinking about how to change the world to fit that image.
Create the world you imagine.
Because the facsists aren’t giving up creating their dream. We can only fight back by overwhelming them with the collection of the individual and unique dreams or regular people.
Peace.
:)
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bobby
Mar. 13th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
are you blind this wouldn’t just leave Michigan to be ran by an American company, just “a” company.
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KC Teach
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
I agree w/ jhande about most of his post, but it wouldn’t be true in the case of Michigan. Supposedly, Michiganders sat and watched corporate exec looters turn the auto industry into the graveyard, then watched a Dem rescue and empowerment of workers into an ownership position. Next, the reformed companies proved that they could make good product and profit if not being looted, receiving huge bonuses as part-owners. Then Michigan overwhelmingly goes…what?…REPUBLICAN in the 2010 election? Gee, I guess you can lead idiots to water, give them directions and a picture book, and if they’re Michiganders, they still don’t get it. They HAVE the government they voted in, Rachel, and they deserve it.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 9th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
I agree with what you say, and as for Michigan going republican, it is just plain horrifying after all these years. However I do not think they deserve what is happening. No one deserves this. They did vote these thieves in, and they better be getting them out.
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VW
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Um, not EVERYONE in Michigan voted for Snyder. Thank you for damning all of us who live here.
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Guinnevere
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 1:44 am
I just spent a harrowing hour reading the messages on the “Freep” website for the Detroit Free Press.
I am thoroughly ashamed of the majority of my fellow Michiganders who posted there, and disgusted by the sentiments they expressed. The hatred for unions and the gleeful crowing about how the Governor “put one over on the Lefties” was shocking. There were 211 posts on that site, and they were overwhelmingly anti-union and in favor of Snyder’s power grab. There were a few who attempted to reason with the others, but the haters apparently don’t hear anything except what they want to hear. They firmly believe that unions are the problem, they frankly don’t believe that the rich should pay taxes, because “people should get to keep their money.” It appears they still buy into the old Reagan “trickle down” scam. They think the big corporations outsource jobs to get away from unions and their “selfish demands.”
These benighted folk may not deserve what’s happening in our state, but as far as I can see they don’t even seem to realize what’s being done to us. They are doing a victory dance on a brittle ledge over a volcano, without any clue how close they are to disaster.
Nevertheless, I intend to find out what can be done to reverse this appalling bill. I know we can do it, the question is how.
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Sarah Jones
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 2:25 am
Not all of those commenters are “real” — the Koch brothers have funded quite the “grassroots” internet trolling campaign, if that gives you any comfort. The Ann Arbor Press linked to this in comments, so they can’t all feel that way. Hang in there.
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jimmy
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 3:02 am
ladies and gentlemen, There is nothing we can do except report on the loss of Michigan to fascism. It will be the example of perfidy for ever.
This will go down in infamy.
Synder will become a national pariah and they will write him up in the great history books to follow.
Michigan is fascist. I’m questioning the election. Of course, i can hardly believe it. But 28 to 12 is a big majority. The people will get what they deserve.
Our job is to report on it and make sure it doesn’t spread across the land–it could happen in ALL the red states.
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Robert
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 8:45 am
Can someone please cite the bill name and number, or however Michigan codes its pending legislation with the offending dictatorial terms. I want to be able to point to something when I talk about this.
This thing seems to be very underground … a stealth dictatrial move.
The war on the middle class is moving to new phase. The GOP (my dead Grandfather (who was a life long republican) is turning in his grave … that these Nazi’s have taken his party over utterly.
We need to start calling things what they are; The Tea Party is the Nazi Party renamed … it is patterned in the style of Mussolini fascism … a Corporate Plutocracy … an overt act of treason … and betrayal of public trust to the people.
I’ve friends that have called themselves Republicans proudly for many years … even through the Bush administration … but now they have either left the party … or are just horrified and ashamed at their leadership.
This Party that exist can’t be called Republican … it isn’t … it is a Forth Reich, a Nazi Party. We need to start calling them what they are.
So please, let me have that bill number, code, or name. This attempt at subverting democracy needs to get out.
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WDRussell
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 8:51 am
‘Shared sacrifice’ is the biggest lie since trickle down economics. One group has never shared in the sacrifice,in fact the wealth of the rich has gone up.
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Dan Jones
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Unfortunately Mich is a conservative state who voted this man as governor. Now he is showing his thanks by heading them in the direction of the soup line, aka the 1930′s. I don’t kn ow if they realized ths man will slowly turn Michigan into a corporate state.
He will privitize the entire state. Throughg this un believeable power grab, he is talking away our right to the ballot. He wants to appoint so called financial manager to any city township he chooses. Throw out the unions, destroy public education, and trash the Constitution right in our face. Well Michigan is the State to start this Hitler style corporate take over of Michigan and America.
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T
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Rachel, the meat of that bill has been in place for over 10 years. It was used extensively during the Granholm administration. Many of the issues you rail against can only be suggested by the EM and have to be voted on by the people affected. The change in the bill and why it’s in process are the issues dealing with unions…. that’s it. This is not a Rick Snyder grand idea on how to force communities into bankruptcy and then have them taken over. Do you think that’s what Jen did to DPS or any of the cities and towns currently under an EM? Ask Mayor Bing why he would like some help with union contracts. It’s fine to disagree with the union aspects of this bill or with the entire bill, but maybe you ought to research it a little before you go on your show and spew nonsense.
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Allen
Mar. 13th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Thanks “T” you seem to be the only person here who is not a paid troll or just plain crazy.
I live in Michigan, and things are pretty desperate here.
If you don’t live here, please let us run things, okay?
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Frank Williams
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Well this is distressing news to say the least. I do however find some of Rachlel’s comments to be disingenuous, and as usual she fits everything into her paradigm of good guys (dems) versus bad guys (repugs). Let us examine some of Rachel’s “facts”
“Except that in this case, the Republicans waged a fiscal war on America during the eight disastrous Bush years by killing what they termed “big government”” but is really known as governmental oversight of corporations, which allowed Wall Street to play fast and loose with our money while Bush went incompetently to war on “terror” and left the wars off of the budget all together.”
Now there is some truth in this, however Rachel fails to mention the Democrats part in the financial crisis of 2008. Bill Clinton signed into law the Gramm Leach Bliley act late in 2009. This bill..which Clinton, Robert Rubin and many dems touted as a great step forward eviscerated what was left of the Glass Steagel act of 1933 which kept commercial banks from investing in things like DERIVATIVES. It is clear that the Democrats were equally compliant in the financial coup d etat of 2008-2009.
What we have is Shock Doctrine in action, unleashed upon the American public, for the benefit of the ultra rich. This is not a Dem versus Republican issue. This is a rich against the poor issue.
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jhande
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
hello, frank, you are so correct. i would put it that it is the rich (or monied) against EVERYBODY else.
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ROCnPhilly
Mar. 10th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Lots of great freaking out nonsense going on here. Just read the bill.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billengrossed/House/pdf/2011-HEBS-4214.pdf
Be sure to notice what has to happen for an executive to be appointed, that there will be a team focused on keeping the district or community out of bankruptcy (another bill authorizes a fund to shore up troubled districts/communities), and that the post is temporary.
C’mon. It’s Maddow. You know it’s 90% nonsense.
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jake
Mar. 12th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
you’re the only one in this thread who can read ;)
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rhoneyman
Mar. 15th, 2011 at 9:50 am
4214 is only one part of the bill. here’s the summary of the senate version:
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billanalysis/Senate/pdf/2011-SFA-4214-F.pdf
the fiscal analysis of the senate version:
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billanalysis/Senate/pdf/2011-SFA-4214-A.pdf
there are several issues. one, of course, is the attack on collective bargaining. michigan has a long tradition of requiring the use of trade union members for construction projects. one of the reasons – aside from lobbying – is that apprenticeship and training are required to belong to a trade union. opening bidding for construction projects to firms hiring non-union workers adds risk to the overall quality of the finished product.
as important as that issue is, i’m more concerned about the legislation that is being replaced. i will need to read the Local Government Fiscal Responsibility Act to try and figure out where the real issues crop up.
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Barbara Williams
Mar. 12th, 2011 at 1:35 am
February 22, 2011
Freedom means “We” discover truth for ourselves.
If “We” relinquish that responsibility,
“We” relinquish freedom.
Corporations have become MERCENARIES under the guise of being Business people. Their pernicious actions devastated, under the Reagan administration and a Republican led congress, several countries south of America’s borders. This abuse of power must be brought to a halt. Big business should never have been allowed to move in the direction of EMPIRE building. Hello! Sound familiar? Fascism anyone?
Legislation must be enacted, and demanded by American voters, to put big biz Corporations, especially those mega corporations operating outside of America, ON NOTICE! American’s told GWB, when he said he was going into Iraq, “Not In Our Name”. Well, “We” are still here, and “We” are saying to the big biz tyrants, “NOT IN OUR NAME”!!!
I sometimes wonder what it is “We” American’s won after defeating Fascism/Nazism. It’s plain as day that this ideology, supposedly conquered, is alive and well and biting “US”, and the WORLD, were we live.
Corporations were never to be allowed to create monopolies because of the ramifications that would arise, LIMITING COMPETITION. Well, that is not the way, especially since the Reagan years, it’s been coming down. America’s Shame is showing because there are still American’s who don’t get it. Corporations are taking this nation’s freedoms, rights, jobs, clean air and water, and her Dreams, into the abyss.
Legislation to control this abuse must be enacted! But, the question is, how do “We” go about these changes that all can believe in? Our legislators are controlled, not by the people as was the design of the Constitution, but via a gift from 5 treasonous Supreme Court Justices who crowned Corporate gr$$d, with Personhood.
The Dare To Dream Network is hoping to draw up a petition addressing this issue.. Others should consider this as well. The more the merrier.
We are also about to debut our latest activist website, aptly called, “RUMBLE OF THE PEOPLE” Stay tuned since we are working on a plan to do radio from this site as well.
This Democracy/Republic cannot survive without the US in jUStice.
Barbara/founder/dtdn.net
www.TheBridgeToNowhere.org
www.DareToDreamNetwork.net
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Cassandra Vert
Mar. 12th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Antitrust law prevents collusion within an industry to set wages and prices. It isn’t meant to prevent collusion among industries for political ends.
Corporations are man-made, and we made them to place profits above all other considerations. That will conflict with human needs as long as we allow it to exist.
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Barbara Williams
Mar. 12th, 2011 at 1:42 am
CORPORATIONS support and are pulling out all stops to silence the voice of all people, more especially, the working class! And according to history, which “We” are sadly repeating, this movement is FASCIST! Are “We” prepared to go back in time and suffer the forces that advocate Corporate take over, meddling in every aspect of our precious freedoms? DID it work for Germany? These are deadly, gr$$d, diseased heretics. And yes, as a Christian, I “Dare” call these dark entities heretics. (HERETIC: One who is not orthodoxed in their beliefs) These deceivers have used faith to undermine the less wary. Those who know me are aware that while I’m a FIRM believer of the Fisherman, I do not abide the lack of truth coming out of many organized, faith based, groups.. Gr$$d rules in all areas of power! Many faith based groups, because of the ole mighty dollar, have failed.
Those who are behind this “POWER GRAB” are the very same people “We” Bailed Out”…. These are the very same people that have gotten away with gross Violations, Felonies, polluters of our water, air & food, , mis-use of huge sums of money, scams, Monopolies, fraud with the intention to commit fraud. And the list goes on! So far these entities, with a great deal of help from America’s mainstream media, have polluted US with “Bait & Switch then spin it to death! Any semblance of truth or jUStice does not exists within these corporate owned networks! So far all of these abusive entities have gotten off SCOTT, No pun intended, FREE!
Now, arrogant that they are, they’ve escalated their pernicious agenda’s with the audacity, NO HOPE HERE, to throw their victims out of their homes, break the back of collective bargaining while they raise the cost of food, gas and, on the other-hand, find ways to fund wars of convenience.. American’s are struggling in all aspects of their lives & they’re being asked to sacrifice more! MORE WHAT? What is this MORE that these gr$$dy people want from America’s citizens? Assume Nothing! Question Everything!
Meanwhile, back at the ranch! What is Washington doing while American’s are under assault from those who should be tried as traitors, imprisoned, the key thrown away and or thrown out of the country? These are traitors! Usurpers! Violators! Empire grabbers! Polluters! MONEY GRABBERS! FREEDOM KILLERS! And the list goes on……..
While this travesty is unfolding Washington sellouts are conniving to further undermine the precious rights and protections of “We” the people! I’ve been at this for so long I’ve become numb! But I can tell you this, those of US who have been on the front, not back lines, realized, years ago, that these entities were, would and have, without any reservation nor conscience, declared war on some 80 % of America’s citizens. And where are the power grabbers? Looking down on the masses while they hide, like the cowards they are, in their IVORY TOWERS. Thank God American’s are waking up
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HOSEA MCADOO
Mar. 12th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
We have to admit it! We are just inside the ring of tyrannical fascism.
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Martin
Mar. 12th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
THANK You Rachel, I had heard about this the day prior it actually happening in Michigan from Naomi Klein. She was being interviewed by Amy Goodman on the Democracy now.org video stream broadcast.
BUT YOUR THE BEST AND ONLY ONE ON MAINSTREAM NEWS! THANK YOU!
Got Change ?
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/27/we-the-people-of-the-us-refuse-to-fund-corruption-and-greed/
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maggie
Mar. 12th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
I am afraid……………and I don’t even live in your state…………….common folk need to rally and march and yell and risk jail…………….or just fold and concede…….
SO VERY SCARY………and as a teacher I worry that no one is really processing this OR asking questions……..
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JR
Mar. 13th, 2011 at 6:48 am
I wasn’t aware of this going on in Michigan as I was too focused on Wisconsin. I live in Florida and we have our own Repub Gov. Scott who is trying to run Florida like a private business. I have no idea how he was elected; it was extremely close and Alex Sink never fought for a recount – why? This guy was the CEO of a company that had to pay millions in Medicare fraud and he is our governor. How? Florida has had many problems with those voting machines, how to you think Bush jr managed to get elected again? This is frightening; these rich people are taking over America and we seem powerless to stop them. They control everything – our paycheck, how much we pay for gas and food. Obama is a Repub; I see little difference between him and Bush. But, he duped us all because the alternative was worse.
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Igotta Brain
Mar. 13th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Your reactionary concern is hilarious. Where was your passionate dissent when the Democrats who ran our great state for so long ran it into the ground? Where is your concern about unions ruining our state as a great place to work and crushing demand for our products by adding $1500 per car for their gold plated health insurance?
Of course it’s moronic to see a CEO make 1000x the average worker, but the way Demograbs have run the state for so long is what has brought us to this point. We are broke. Complain about cuts, but we simply don’t have the money.
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Randyz49
Mar. 13th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Best post of the whole thread, and about the ONLY one that is actually TRUTHFUL !!
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brokeharvardgrad
Mar. 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
The problem with the bill is not that it has no limits, but that it removes the Constitutional rights of the people to elect their leaders. Any time this happens, it’s a Constitutional violation, even if it supposedly “doesn’t happen very often.” Not happening very often doesn’t change its status as violation of the right to elect our leaders, the whole founding principal of this country. It’s what separated us from the monarchy. Having a king, “just once” is still having a king, and therefore not part of the democratic process. Having a king, even for a day, or in case of an emergency, is like saying it’s okay to have king if a government is without enough funds. A king is still a king, and a democracy is only a democracy if people get to elect their leaders. The U.S. fought for this in the Revolutionary War, and more recently fought for other people, namely Iraqis, to have this right just a few years ago.
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Bunj
Mar. 15th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
@ Igotta Brain
Perhaps unions are too powerful and public employee benefits are too high, but anyone who attributes our massive deficits to overpaid public employees is being incredibly myopic. Cuts are nessecary, but why on earth would anyone celebrate cutting teaching jobs, upping class size, cutting title classes, or any other state services and continuing corporate and wealthy tax cuts under the guise that they generate jobs when they are sitting on 1.4 trillion (low estimate) dollars. The public employees aren’t just assembly line workers putting a bolt on here our punching a button they are teachers, police, and untility workers maintain the things that make our civilization great and allow taxpayers like us to go about our lives not worring about clean water, electricity, transortation, educatiuon, etc… And their jobs are difficult. Have you ever tried to teach a class at any level. If you think you could just walk off the street and do it and do it well you are incredible ignorant. Not to mention that unless you are so rich that you have your own roads or send your kids to private schools (if you even have any) or are living completely off the grid you are going to be hurt by all the cuts that are not going to reducing employee benfits. Why can’t people see how much we truely do depend on these services and that privatizing them could very well put them out of reach for many of the people who are exponents of these policies. You think you have power, that this will workout for you? I hope so, the rest of us in the middle or at the bottom who realize how dangerously close we are to disintigration are fighting so that the few luxuries we can all enjoy do not become priveleges for only those with money. We are the richest country in the world and we have one of the largest inequalities in the world. We are having to make sacrifces?
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