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Rewind Lie of the Week: Senator Rand Paul, Stop Making Kathy Lie
I wouldn’t bother with Rand Paul’s disingenuous lies if they hadn’t seeped into the culture like wildfire, once again turning reality into a “debate” topic. So here we go, the Tea Party versus Lawrence O’Donnell. Rand Paul (R-Ky) has issued a letter calling President Obama’s actions in Libya “unilateral” actions that violate the constitution. He wants the senate to vote on it and stuff. You should believe Paul because….because he’s a senator and he ought to know!
However, Paul voted on the very resolution he claims never took place. On March 1, Senate Resolution 85 supporting possible military action over Libya passed the United States Senate unanimously. “But Tea Party Republican Senator Rand Paul’s office is telling callers he did not vote on that resolution. And we have it on tape. MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell explains in the Rewrite.”
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Rand’s letter makes much of the serious decision regarding sending our “sons and daughters to war.” We don’t take this lightly, Rand tells us. That sounds good, eh? Mike Lee (Tea Party R-Utah) co-signed the letter. It’s great to see the Tea Party try to learn about the government processes on our dime.
O’Donnell tells us, “I guess that’s a lot stronger action than what Rand Paul took on March 1, when he voted for Senate Resolution 85. “ O’Donnell explains that Paul did not even leave his office to vote, he took this so seriously. This Senate Resolution covers everything President Obama has done in Libya and it called for it before the President took action. Rand Paul voted on this, he supported what the President is doing in Libya, but now his staff is being instructed to lie to constituents.”
MSNBC’s The last word called Senator Rand’s office to find out if he was really lying to constituents. The caller asked if Rand Paul voted for the resolution regarding Libya and the staffer, the receptionist named Kathy, says it’s not a vote, it’s a “….hotline procedure and wasn’t voted on by the Senator. It’s a standard senate procedure where they do a resolution and say if no one objects, it’s done by email, not on the floor, and it was put in 47 seconds before the end of the day.” The caller asks for clarification, Kathy explains, “They weren’t given time to respond. It’s really silly, it’s just a loophole. It will go into the record like that. It will say unanimous consent but it wasn’t a vote.” Poor Kathy was instructed to lie, in fact, you can hear someone in the background telling her what to say.
O’Donnell says, “The senior staff is lying to her. Kathy says Senator Paul didn’t vote on it. That is an absolute, outright lie. Unanimous consent votes are, in fact, the most common vote cast in the United States Senate. The hotline procedure has been enforced for decades. And strictly observed. Every senator is told about every bill or resolution that is coming up for unanimous consent. Every one of them. Every legislative director, all 100 that work for each senator, is emailed and called by their side of the aisle by their leader, about unanimous consent votes. They can take as long as they want to make up their minds.”
So much for that lie. But why would Paul vote for something he didn’t agree with? O’Donnell took that on, “But if you are Rand Paul and you are opposed to any American military intervention if it does not involve and actual and imminent threat to the nation, then how many seconds does it take you to say No?…All they had to do was say no, we don’t give our consent. He did not say no when called by his leader…And then poor Kathy has been told a lie, that it took place in the last 47 seconds of the day, it doesn’t happen that way. I worked in the senate. It doesn’t work that way.”
O’Donnell clarifies, “Most votes are unanimous consent…. It is a recorded vote.” See, Lawrence worked in the senate, so he knows a disingenuous backtrack when it comes his way. When O’Donnell’s MSNBC team called Rand’s office on the record, no one would take their calls or respond to emails.
He went on to chastise Rand Paul for his deliberate lies, “The lying has got to stop. Senator Paul, you know you voted for Senate Resolution 85, which calls for a no-fly zone over Libya, it calls for everything President Obama is doing in Libya. You must stop lying about it. You have taken an oath of office and your lies violate your oath. Your staff has taken the same oath. Those lies violate that oath. Senator Paul, you must, for your honor, put a stop to this….. You must immediately tell the truth to the voters of Kentucky…..The responsibility here is entirely yours. You and your staff are committing an outrageous breach of senate ethical conduct.”
The Senate unanimously approved a resolution on March 1 calling for the United Nations Security Council to impose a no-fly zone over Libya and urging Libyan leader Muammar el-Qaddafi to resign and allow a peaceful transition to democracy. Here is the resolution they passed, offered by Senators Robert Menendez (D-NJ) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill):
Senate Res. 85:
Whereas Muammar Gadhafi and his regime have engaged in gross and systematic violations of human rights, including violent attacks on protesters demanding democratic reforms, that have killed thousands of people;
Whereas Muammar Gadhafi, his sons and supporters have instigated and authorized violent attacks on Libyan protesters using warplanes, helicopters, snipers and soldiers and continue to threaten the life and well-being of any person voicing opposition to the Gadhafi regime;
Whereas the United Nations Security Council and the international community have condemned the violence and use of force against civilians in Libya and on February 26, 2011, the United Nations Security Council unanimously agreed to refer the ongoing situation in Libya to the International Criminal Court, impose an arms embargo on the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including the provision of mercenary personnel, freeze the financial assets of Muammar Gadhafi and certain family members, and impose a travel ban on Gadhafi, certain family members and senior advisors;
Whereas Muammar Gadhafi has ruled Libya for more than 40 years by banning and brutally opposing any individual or group opposing the ideology of his 1969 revolution, criminalizing the peaceful exercise of expression and association, refusing to permit independent journalists’ and lawyers’ organizations, and engaging in torture and extrajudicial executions, including the 1,200 detainees killed in Abu Salim Prison in June 1996;
Whereas Libya took formal responsibility for the terrorist attack that brought down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 270 people, 189 of whom were U.S. citizens and high-ranking Libyan officials have indicated that Muammar Gadhafi personally ordered the attack; and
Whereas Libya was elected to the United Nations Human Rights Council on May 13, 2010 for a period of 3 years, sending a demoralizing message of indifference to the families of the victims of Pan Am flight 103 and Libyan citizens that have endured repression, arbitrary arrest, enforced disappearance or physical assault in their struggle to obtain basic human and civil rights: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That the Senate–
(1) applauds the courage of the Libyan people in standing up against the brutal dictatorship of Muammar Gadhafi and for demanding democratic reforms, transparent governance, and respect for basic human and civil rights;
(2) strongly condemns the gross and systematic violations of human rights in Libya, including violent attacks on protesters demanding democratic reforms;
(3) calls on Muammar Gadhafi to desist from further violence, recognize the Libyan people’s demand for democratic change, resign his position and permit a peaceful transition to democracy governed by respect for human and civil rights and the right of the people to choose their government in free and fair elections;
(4) calls on the Gadhafi regime to immediately release persons that have been arbitrarily detained, to cease the intimidation, harassment and detention of peaceful protestors, human rights defenders and journalists, to ensure civilian safety, and to guarantee access to human rights and humanitarian organizations;
(5) welcomes the unanimous vote of the United Nations Security Council on resolution 1970 referring the situation in Libya to the International Criminal Court, imposing an arms embargo on the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, freezing the assets of Gadhafi and family members, and banning international travel by Gadhafi, members of his family, and senior advisors;
(6) urges the Gadhafi regime to abide by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1970 and ensure the safety of foreign nationals and their assets, and to facilitate the departure of those wishing to leave the country as well as the safe passage of humanitarian and medical supplies, humanitarian agencies and workers, into Libya in order to assist the Libyan people;
(7) urges the United Nations Security Council to take such further action as may be necessary to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory;
(8) welcomes the African Union’s condemnation of the “disproportionate use of force in Libya” and urges the Union to take action to address the human rights crisis in Libya and to ensure that member states, particularly those bordering Libya, are in full compliance with the arms embargo imposed by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1970 against the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including the ban on the provision of armed mercenary personnel;
(9) welcomes the decision of the United Nations Human Rights Council to recommend Libya’s suspension from the Council and urges the United Nations General Assembly to vote to suspend Libya’s rights of membership in the Council;
(10) welcomes the attendance of Secretary of State Clinton at the United Nations Human Rights Council meeting in Geneva and 1) urges the Council’s assumption of a country mandate for Libya that employs a Special Rapporteur on the human rights situation in Libya and 2) urges the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations to advocate for improving United Nations Human Rights Council membership criteria at the next United Nations General Assembly in New York City to exclude gross and systematic violators of human rights; and
(11) welcomes the outreach that has begun by the United States Government to Libyan opposition figures and supports an orderly, irreversible transition to a legitimate democratic government in Libya.
When you get into a political argument with someone, watch how they attempt to shift the frame of the debate. In this case, we have Rand Paul telling people that the President never got this resolution and that he never voted on it, really. They accomplish this by saying the vote that took place was a kind of last minute thing that doesn’t mean anything. Sadly, a lot of people will believe this.
It turns out, that’s not true.
Shame on Rand Paul and his staff for tricking Kathy into lying for him. The problem here is that Rand Paul voted on something he claimed he didn’t believe in and instead of having an ounce of honor, he has attempted to tell his constituents that the recorded vote isn’t really accurate. Does that sound familiar? “Don’t trust the record or the facts, just listen to the Tea Partier.” Turns out, being in charge is a little harder than Tea Party rhetoric led these freshman to believe. Now he’s going to waste our money with his show of innocence while he proposes a resolution that contradicts the vote he just took on March 1.
There are matters to be debated regarding Libya, but the fact that the senate voted unanimously on Resolution 85 to do precisely what the President is doing is not one of them.
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JKR
Apr. 3rd, 2011 at 8:08 pm
You need to know the following:
there was NO vote at all. It was passed by ‘unanimous consent without objection’ in front of whomever happened to be in the room at the end of the day. This procedure is only supposed to be used for uncontroversial matters.
The version sent around to senators did not have ANY no fly zone mention in it, per National Review and Pajamas media:
http://pajamasmedia.com/claudiarosett/the-senate-and-the-no-…
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263702/how-most-transpa…
Rand Paul’s staff also specifically said the entire matter was called before he made it back to the floor so he had no opportunity to object: http://t.co/Yp3YAvF
Here is more by National Review: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263712/more-senate-reso…
Here is the cspan video of EVERYTHING said when the Resolution was passed. As you can see, it was less than 40 seconds, Schumer RACED through it without raising his eyes to look for objections, and a ‘no fly zone’ was never mentioned. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SenateSessionPart243/star…
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Sarah Jones
Apr. 3rd, 2011 at 9:32 pm
“Every senator is told about every bill or resolution that is coming up for unanimous consent. Every one of them. Every legislative director, all 100 that work for each senator, is emailed and called by their side of the aisle by their leader, about unanimous consent votes. They can take as long as they want.”
What you see on CSPAN is not all there is to the process. They are given time to decide how they want to vote, they have legislative directors whose job it is to liason with the party leader on how they will vote. He knew what he was voting for. And he wasn’t on the floor; apparently, he didn’t bother to show up.
Next you’ll tell us that he didn’t have time to read it:-) You do realize that we pay people to read the bills for them, right? Lots and lots of money we pay for that.
We pay a lot of money for their legislative aides and directors, whose job it is to read the bills and resolutions for the senators.
The procedure is the way most votes are done, as noted above.
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jlt
Apr. 4th, 2011 at 8:39 am
The National Review is a wingnut rag…The provisions were in the UC and paul just stepped over himself with more Hypocrisy… Who reads pj…If you do not understand you do not vote! Paul is a sham and does not know procedure!
They are all told about the provisions..it is their task to understand and vote! Perhaps it would be wise if they learned to do their JOB..Where are the JOBS, repubs!
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majii
Apr. 3rd, 2011 at 9:12 pm
@ JKR
Lawrence O’Donnell described the process under which Senate Resolution 85 was passed by unanimous consent. He knows Senate procedures because he has worked in the Senate. Rand Paul HAD to give his consent, otherwise one couldn’t say that it was passed by unanimous consent. The is makes RP look incompetent, or careless, if he didn’t object to the resolution, but meant to. He voted, but now he doesn’t want his constituents in KY to know that he approved of anything that PBO and the democrats wanted. Neither National Review nor Pajamas Media are credible sources since they tend to take the conservative POV instead of an unbiased POV.
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JKR
Apr. 3rd, 2011 at 11:05 pm
What he said wasn’t true. Look it up yourself. Look at the sources in my first comment. I know what he said, and it pegs the type of journalist he is, as you will know for yourself when you look up what really happened.
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TomandLou
Apr. 4th, 2011 at 12:58 am
Whats true is that Rand Paul is an incompetent without the integrity his office requires.The banter back and forth doesn’t change who he is,A sad excuse for a human being.
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Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Apr. 4th, 2011 at 5:20 am
I think that sums it up nicely, TomandLou, and JKR’s efforts notwithstanding, the evidence is quite clear, as Sarah laid it out. Nothing at this point is less likely to be convincing that a conservative rag like National Review – the official narrative. We’ve seen all the “official narrative” we need over the past decade, and I have to say, JKR, it’s not selling anymore. Get ready to rock in ’12.
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gene shelton
Apr. 4th, 2011 at 5:53 am
rands father, ron, is a representative from tx (where i live), so i followed the election in ky. of rand. i was immediately impressed with how little rand knew about how govt. works, economics, the common good, morality, ethics, etc. i was frankly suprised that he was elected, but i should not have been as most voters seem to have as much understanding of things as does rand. ky. ranks near the top of states with debt, and near the bottom in income levels and education. i think they need to look towards different leadership in that state.
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paulabflat
Apr. 4th, 2011 at 9:29 am
in kentucky we are a very mixed bag. we were, in short, forced to run a blue dog like jack conway, who, by the way, hasn’t ever really won an election and his record remains intact, just to have a glimmer of a chance to defeat a weasel like rand paul. a dog or a weasel. some choice. my district, on the other hand, is represented in congress by john yarmuth, a man who has kept just about every campaign promise he made to the liberals who will continue to vote for him. and he took out ann northrup, which was especially sweet. we were all concerned that we had, in northrup, a bought and paid for congressional rep for life like we seem to have in the senate with mcconnell. so. as you can see, nothing is guaranteed here in kentucky.
go to the colbert show and search for john yarmuth. he ain’t much to look at, but we’re mighty proud of him.
y’all comin’ to the derby?
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pigsfromagun
Apr. 4th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
S.R. 85 was a symbolic gesture of generic support for actions to protect Libyan citizens by the U.N., and in no way whatsoever did it address or authorize ANY action on the part of the United States government – especially not in violation of Constitutional separation of powers.
This is a blatant hit piece from a desperate establishment shill whose party is on the ropes over ACTUAL hypocrisy. I’m not taking a stance one way or the other on Rand Paul and his politics, but make no mistake: this smear job by MSNBC is nothing less than war propaganda.
For once, we should be listening to the few voices of reason on both sides of the aisle who are trying to restore Constitutional procedures for declaring war.
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Mark Smith
Apr. 4th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Seems like the operative clause in this resolution is “(7) urges the United Nations Security Council to take such further action as may be necessary to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.” This is not a call or authorization for use of the U.S. military. So, it seems that O’Donnell is wrong when he says the resolution “covers everything President Obama has done in Libya…” It sure as hell doesn’t call for us putting CIA on the ground with the insurgents.
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Robert
Apr. 4th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
I won’t even bother to post one of many articles debunking this. If you want to know what’s going on here, just Google, “Rand Paul and Libya,” and do your own research. Anyone who’s been following Rand Paul knows he’s been concerned about abuse of presidential war powers long before Obama. Making this into a Tea Party thing is just silly and an insult to your viewers.
But even if MSNBC is right that Rand Paul voted for the Libya no-fly zone, again, completely false, how does that change the point that a president should go before the full congress and get authorization for military action? Again, this is an insult to your viewers because if they only read this spin, they think the Senate voted for a no-fly zone when they absolutely didn’t and no one with any intelligence left or right is saying that.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Apr. 4th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Unanimous vote. You need to look that word up.
And of course you wont bother to debuunk anything.
BTW, Pres has 60 days to go before COngress. Our flights will be done by then
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RAnthony80@aol.com
Apr. 7th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Funny..Here on CSPAN it says the time is 3:30 Pm when its being introduced. CSPAN must have changed the time to protect Rand Paul right conspiracy nuts???? Or Odonnel is just an Idiot and didn’t do his homework? Which is lying?
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SenateSessionPart243/start/15224/stop/15261
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