During the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln made it clear that although war is inherently brutal, torture and cruelty had no place in a morally superior society. Indeed, the world has time and again reiterated the dictum that torture of any type is forbidden and prosecutable under the Geneva Convention that America subscribes to. After the terror attacks on 9/11, in an effort to get actionable intelligence the Bush Administration engaged in and defended the use of torture as necessary to protect the security of the United States. That policy and verified use of torture has proven to be a stain on America’s character.
The images of prisoners being humiliated at Abu Ghraib prison at the hands of U.S. military personnel sent shock waves throughout the world and destroyed any moral superiority America laid claim to instantly. The Bush Administration’s approval of torture at the time further eroded America’s image around the world and started a debate at home on whether torturing prisoners was legal or produced positive results. The simple fact that Americans were having a discussion on the legality of torture speaks volumes as to the depth of depravity our country has sunk to. Obviously, many morally bankrupt Americans missed the point that cruelty and torture have no place in the theatre of war, a detention facility, or the local police station.
The torture debate is back in Americans’ conscience because Republicans cannot stand the fact that Osama Bin Laden was killed and someone other than George W. Bush is president. Within minutes of President Obama’s announcement that Bin Laden was dead, Republicans scrambled to give credit to George W. Bush despite the fact that on March 13, 2002 Bush said, “I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” Six months earlier and two days after the terror attacks of 9/11, Bush stated emphatically that, “The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.” It is obvious that Bush lost interest in finding Bin Laden within 6 months of the attacks, and yet nine years later when President Obama gave the order to raid Bin Laden’s compound, Republicans inserted Bush into the equation.
When it became painfully clear that most Americans credited President Obama with the fortitude and perseverance to order Bin Laden’s capture or death, Republicans shifted gears and began crediting the Bush Administration’s use of torture as the reason the intelligence community was able to find Bin Laden in Pakistan. The discussion has quickly devolved into Republican’s advocacy of torture and condemnation of the Obama Administration for prohibiting the use of, as the Bush Administration called it, enhanced interrogation techniques. One of the main advocates of torturing prisoners illegally is former Vice President and despicable human being, Dick Cheney, who is criticizing President Obama for not adhering to Bush’s use of torture.
Cheney made his remarks on “Fox News Sunday,” and although he praised President Obama for ordering the attack that killed Bin Laden, when the show’s host, Chris Wallace, asked Cheney if President Obama should reinstate enhanced interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, Cheney answered that, “Well, I certainly would advocate it; I’d be a strong supporter of it.” Cheney continued explaining that the Bush Administration went to great lengths to find a way to legalize torture and that, “it was a good, legal program and that, it was not torture. I would strongly recommend we continue it.” Regardless of Cheney’s assertion that waterboarding is not torture, worldwide, waterboarding is considered torture and even John McCain concurs.
During the 2008 presidential campaign, McCain said, “There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that (waterboarding) as torture otherwise we wouldn’t have tried and convicted Japanese for doing that same thing to Americans.” During the 2008 Republican presidential campaign debate, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney would not publicly say what, if any, interrogation techniques he would rule out if elected president. McCain responded to Romney’s comments saying, “I would also hope that he would not want to be associated with a technique which was invented in the Spanish Inquisition, was used by Pol Pot in one of the great eras of genocide in history and is being used on Burmese monks as we speak, America is a better nation than that.” John McCain was a prisoner during the Viet Nam war for 5 years and speaks with authority on the meaning of torture.
There is little doubt that waterboarding is torture. It is banned by international treaties and domestic law regardless what Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, or their lackey lawyers contend; the legality of waterboarding or any torture is a non-issue. What is an issue and disturbing as well is that there are Americans lining up on the wrong side of the torture debate to protect Bush and give him credit for Bin Laden’s death. Furthermore, advocating torture shows a lack of moral character that was at one time unheard of in America. However, that was before America slipped into the grasp of mean-spirited hateful conservatives who feel that American exceptionalism gives them the right to ignore conventions the rest of the world adheres to and follows as civilized societies.
The advocates of torture expose themselves as the worst America has to offer, and it speaks volumes about the sensibilities of the conservatives and Republicans. Their hatred and jealousy of President Obama reveals their abject lack of morals and ethics on the battlefield, prisons, and the halls of power. There was a time when all Americans would be sickened at the thought of torture out of sheer moral superiority and nothing else. Studies and experience have shown that torture does not produce actionable intelligence, and in most cases produces false information and breeds jihad in survivors. It also contributes to the moral decay of the practitioners as well as society in general.
The current advocates of torture represent the moral depravity rampant in the Republican Party who will go to any length to defame and delegitimize an African American president regardless that he, not Bush, presided over the killing of a mass murderer. The fact that there is even a discussion about the use of torture defines the moral decay of the proponents and is the shame of American society.
John McCain said that America is better than that kind of country who argues for, promotes, and practices torture, and on some level he is correct. America is better because we have a president who has banned the use of torture. However, the segment of the population as well as Republican presidential candidates Tim Pawlenty and Rick Santorum that support torture are a cancer on society and not representative of the high standards and morals held by most Americans. Then again, most decent Americans would never accuse Republicans of having high moral standards or any morals for that matter; or a conscience.
Image: Waterboarding.org




Reynardine
May. 9th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Those who approve of torture believe it will be someone else who will be tortured: bad people, icky people, “those people”. The truth is that what can be done to someone can be done to anyone and in time will threaten everyone. The Inquisition started in on old root women, hapless girls who whistled on the road before a storm came up, and sumptuous young women whose mere presence diabolically caused a priest’s penis to rise; it went on to engulf Christian and “pagan”, men and women, highborn and humble, clergy and noble. Letting this sort of thing start is scratching a match in a hayloft, and people need to understand that.
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Anne
May. 9th, 2011 at 10:49 am
They really are using the most twisted logic in order to give GW credit. Since they cannot credit him for the actual operation that took out Bin Laden because of the time it occurred from start to finish, they now have been reduced to crediting the discredited waterboarding technique his administration initially used. People like Cheney apparently choose to overlook the fact that lots of false information came from waterboarding. It’s a sad commentary on the GW Bush administration, and Americans who agree with them on waterboarding, that they would still be willing to totally disregard the Geneva convention, which went a long way toward dishonoring the country they claim to love.
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Reynardine
May. 9th, 2011 at 11:00 am
And let us ask: if the Bush administration got all this information about where Bin Ladin was by waterboarding, why didn’t they act on it? They never came close. It was the Obama administration, acting on leads from something like a year back, that tracked him and killed him, and in the process uncovered more information than Bush ever had from six years of beating people up. The whackwingers are not just trying to delegitimize this President. They are trying to re-legitimize both Bush and torture (assuming these are different things) because they relish them both.
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Shiva (Moderator)
May. 9th, 2011 at 11:39 am
we have had several people come onto this forum and declare the George W. Bush’s techniques is what caught Osama bin Laden. And you have to wonder, do they read anything or are they capable of thinking on their own? It’s like the people who follow Glenn Beck. They listened to Glenn and read nothing else. They never know when they’re being lied to.
Dick Cheney is the ugly American. He is the one American that if I was overseas, I would deny that he was American. Torture and waterboarding had absolutely nothing to do with catching and killing Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden was found and killed under the Obama government and under his direction.and that’s all there is to it.
Clinton was responsible for 9/11, Obama was responsible for the great recession we are in, the Bush administration did absolutely nothing but kill people and then take credit for something that happened years after their administration. It makes one wonder why the Bush administration was not responsible for anything.
According to interrogators waterboarding yielded absolutely nothing to us. Nothing but shame
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vic
May. 9th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
What interrogators?
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Shiva (Moderator)
May. 9th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Heres one, I will let you google the rest
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/opinion/23soufan.html
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vic
May. 9th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Sounds like more Pravda propaganda for their dupes. A navy seal who will never be identified killed the terrorist. It’s a shameful play for our president and his comrades to claim otherwise. I mean, really, what red blooded American wouldn’t have said, “Get him!” In reality it was a no brainer mop up operation. As for the article …. Wheres the fallacy?? Need facts to prove fallacy.
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Shiva (Moderator)
May. 9th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
the fallacy is the fact that the Republicans are saying that waterboarding is what led us to Osama bin Laden. Something you did not address in your post. Obama is not claiming anything that did not happen and everyone knows that a Navy seal was the one who killed Osama bin Laden
Did you read the article?
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Sally
May. 9th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
I would not say “get him.” I am a Christian who thinks murder is wrong, no matter who commits it. This man did not have to die. And those who advocate torture are no better than bin Laden. The soul of this country is gone, replaced by cowboy mentality and “let’s get him before he gets us!” Bush thought that war was a video game. He never denounced Abu Ghraib because it was ‘those people’ who are somehow less than Americans. God created all men. God made no man better than another. Those who torture will answer for it. Those who kill or promote death will also answer for it.
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vic
May. 9th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
What does “awaiting moderation ” mean?
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Shiva (Moderator)
May. 9th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
It means you have to have one approved post before you do not go through moderation
And for some people you just cant trust what they say so they are always in moderation
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guynoir
May. 10th, 2011 at 10:49 am
The place where you go off the tracks is, of course, assuming that people who love Obama hate torture. There are plenty who love them both.
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