Would anyone have noticed The Marriage Vow if it didn’t express a desire to ban pornography?
In an interview with Salon’s Justin Elliot, The Family Leader’s Executive Director Bob Vander Plaats discussed The Marriage Vow and the group’s stance on pornography:
Another part of the vow that’s gotten attention was the clause about promising to protect women and children from a long list of evils. Some of those things were obviously crimes — human trafficking was one — but there was also pornography. What would you say to people who don’t see pornography as a threat to women? And secondly, do you think only women need to be protected from pornography or should men be, too?
Well I think if you read in that, there’s also the word “coercion” — “coerced.” I don’t have the vow in front of me right now, but I think if you read that it’s going to talk about coercion as it relates to abortion, prostitution, pornography. What we’re trying to do is have a high standard for women and for children, as well as for marriages and for family.
Some people were saying that the pledge was somehow calling for a ban on pornography, is that what it was intended to do?
No, not at all. I think if the Family Leader could have its way, we’d probably say we’d like to have a ban on pornography. But that’s not the vow. The vow was [about] forcing women into pornography.
See, the pledge isn’t all that bad. All they are saying is that they would like to ban porn, and you vote for the candidates that support the pledge, they will be able to ban porn. The pledge itself won’t ban porn, but the people who support the pledge will.
What does it say about our culture that The Marriage Vow would have probably been widely ignored in the mainstream media if nobody had caught on that maybe these fundies are trying to take our porn away? The big initial takeaway story in the mainstream press wasn’t that Bachmann is ready to sell her own gender into biblical servitude, or that she is ready to go to war with Islam. Sex sells, so the big story was that Bachmann wants to take away your porn.
Soon the story became that Bachmann supports slavery. Preamble or not, Bachmann still supports slavery, but it but it is biblical enslavement for women not African Americans that she is selling.
However, in the eyes of the mainstream media the destruction of the rights of women is not news.
The cultural message is that you can subjugate my mom, sister, wife and daughter. You can strip away all of their rights, and return them to a status just above slavery, but by God, don’t you touch my Penthouse, Hustler, and ability to download all the girl on girl action I desire.
Expressing a plan to engage in a holy war against Islam and treat women as lesser humans if fine, but taking away porn, why that’s un-American.
The Family Leader would have gotten away with their Marriage Vow, and it probably would have drifted into the daily background noise of right wing fundamentalist theocratic dreams disguised as Republican politics if it would not have been for the mention of porn.
All you really need to know about these Americans who want to overthrow the basis of system of governance is that they consider abortion, homosexuality, prostitution and pornography crimes, even though three of the items on this list are legal.
Many American men don’t know or care that there is a growing movement on the right that is seeking to place the Bible ahead of the Constitution. That is, they didn’t care until the theocrats expressed a desire to take away something that they feel is a right.
It took a veiled threat against porn to get them to pay attention.
Now they need to understand that banning pornography is but the tip of the iceberg for America’s theocratic dreamers.


Vyckie Garrison
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Excellent point, Jason. Sad, but true ~ the Dominionists can strip us of all human rights ~ just don’t take away the porn ….
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Cathy
Jul. 13th, 2011 at 12:50 am
Well stated, Vyckie. The Marriage Vow is the most ludicrous thing I have ever read. The Dominionists are truly scary people.
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KatzKids
Jul. 13th, 2011 at 5:47 am
Especially when so many of their membership is in to it. It’s pathetic how few are standing up for the women & children’s rights they’re taking away.
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Sarah Jones
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
I’m glad there’s something left with which to capture the attention of our fellow Americans:-) By the way, over here, our rights are being taken away!!! :-)
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Reynardine
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Well, actually, a lot of porn is about hating women, too.
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Cathy
Jul. 13th, 2011 at 12:52 am
I agree, and about domination. Domination and dominionists–???
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
I find it funny that they talk about forcing women into porn. That happens in Mexico and other places but not here in the United States. They are simply using the suggestion that women are being forced in the porn to try to get porn banned.
The discussion really has nothing to do with whether or not porn is good or bad but your right to purchase view or participate in pornography.
there are several other points to this marriage vow that are not be discussed in mainstream, just like the Wisconsin recall elections today are not being discussed
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Sarah Jones
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Also, they are OK with forcing women to have babies and get married, but not ok if they want to earn money in porn. now, I’d like a conservative to explain the difference to me. In once scenario, women has NO rights. In second scenario she is at least being paid and is not forced to carry anyone’s baby.
I would think the cons would be fully behind forcing women into porn. the red states view it the most -oh, but they are googling GAY porn according to a new chart I just saw. Maybe that’s the deal. We womens are only worth something as baby breeders for their armies. Not so good in the fantasy department for Republicans.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
I think we also need a category for congressmen in diapers, cared for by a pornographic type woman
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Flamin Phoenix
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
@ Shiva & Sarah – WELL SAID!
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AFM
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
For at least 2 or 3 year I was worried about womens rights and the birth control pill. I was awake one night early in the morning because I couldn’t sleep. I started channel surfing and hit on the catholic channel. There was this married couple talking about an abortion she had before she had met her husband and she never told her about it. She had guilt about it. Well fair enough however, they started talking about the birth control pill and it being another away of an abortion. Right there and then I kept telling my friends beware because the catholic church was always trying to take that option away. However they sure aren’t the only ones. So american women and men who enjoy having sex without the worry of birth control better start worrying because that is coming down the line and along with birth control they will try to stop divorces. These crazies want to turn the clock back. It will be very bad on women who may end up in a bad marriage with a husband who will beat her and treat her like property.
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Howard Drake
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
I’m all for tightening up the divorce thing. The no-fault divorce went too far. I can see divorce for good cause. No-fault divorce destroys the other person’s life, and enslaves him (usually) to a life of servitude by forcing him to pay alimony and child support for an extended period of time. If it’s no fault, then there should be no alimony, 50% custody and no child support, since each former spouse takes care of the children an equal amount of time.
Girls, you can’t have your cake and eat it, too.
I swear, we will turn back the clock on you and we’ll give you a dose of your own medicine. Injustice must be stopped by all means.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
What do you do in the case that the dad was working and the mother was not?
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Cathy
Jul. 13th, 2011 at 12:44 am
50% custody is a ridiculous way to avoid child support–have you ever seen kids who are shuttled back and forth? It is very confusing to them and heartbreaking. Too often the kids are used as pawns just to avoid the support payments. This is an injustice!
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Cassandra Vert
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
We’ve been going about this all wrong. We need to figure out how to get conservatives to try to ban booze and football, too.
Talk about a revolution….
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Reynardine
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
They did ban booze. The Eighteenth Amendment, remember?
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Cassandra Vert
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Of course! It was hugely unpopular, and it would be again! ;)
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MsJoanne
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Hmmm…Sunday football. Ban it, baby. Day of the lord and all.
Now THAT will get their attention.
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Howard Drake
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
That’s OK. I don’t watch football. I could care less about some overgrown and overpaid primadonnas. How about making Sunday, the Lord’s Day, as you say, a day of protest for social justice? Like stopping the stupid wars, allocating more funds to higher education, community rehabilitation, repealing stale laws, etc?
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majii
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
I remember a poll from a couple years back about which states had the highest percentage of the population viewing porn, and the results showed that those in “red” or “conservative” states watched more porn than in “blue” or “liberal” states. I also recall that the poll revealed that divorce rates and number of unwed moms was higher in “red” states,too.
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qwertyuiop
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
I would bet dollars to pennies that if we searched these fundie idiots’ computers and browsing history, we would find all kind of crazy porn.
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Cassandra Vert
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
“Just research, honest!”
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Green Genius
Jul. 12th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
I years ago watched a documentary about an American porn star and she wasn’t forced, per say, but she was manipulated and exploited. I think porn stars commit suicide a lot? I think porn should be regulated and forced to be tasteful, LOL.
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