New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman, in addressing the issue of early Christian forgeries, writes that there is a history of “lies and deception in the history of the Christian religion” and “irony in the fact that lies and deception have historically been used to establish the ‘truth.’”[1] It is beyond contestation, as he points out in his recent book, Forged (2011) that pious Christians practiced deceit on a large scale.
And if we look, as he does, at the goals of the early Church, we find them to be identical with the goals of the “Church” today:
The ultimate goal of the church was to establish itself as true and, of course, to show that all other religions were, as a consequence, false. So once more we have one of the greatest ironies of the early Christian religion: some of its leading spokespersons appear to have had no qualms about lying in order to promote the faith, to practice deception in order to establish the truth.[2]
Ehrman provides an example from these early days, the New Testament’s letter to the Ephesians:
- “Fasten the belt of truth around your waist (6:14);
- The gospel as “the word of truth” (1:13);
- The “truth is in Jesus” (4:21);
- “Speak the truth” to your neighbors (4:24-25); and,
- The “fruit of the light” is found in “truth” (5:9);[3]
The problem, after all this truth-talking, is that the author of Ephesians is as dishonest as the day is long. As Ehrman says, it’s ironic that the author of Ephesians is lying about who he is, pretending to be Paul of Tarsus. That he is, in fact, a forger. A liar.
Christians intent on establishing what was right to believe did so by telling lies, in an attempt to deceive their readers into agreeing that they were the ones who spoke the truth.[4]
Sadly, deceit is still a key weapon in the Christian arsenal – Catholic and Protestant. The American public – worse, the fundamentalist and conservative Catholic rank and file – are being fed a steady diet of lies by conservative Christian leaders and spokespersons. And just as Christians and Pagans were once were, we are being told that what is demonstrably false is true – all according to the dictum (and something Jesus never advocated, by the way) that the means justify the ends.
After all, in the Law of Moses it is said “do not lie” (bear false witness) and Jesus said he had come to uphold the law. Sadly, many Christians have felt no need to be like Jesus and to ignore their Lord’s teachings. In fact, dishonesty has become a money-making operation for fundamentalists, and a lucrative one.
Let’s look at some examples, though there are far too many examples to produce a comprehensive sampling, some of whom we have covered here extensively, like the AFA’s Bryan Fischer, David Barton, or Sarah Palin, or Michele Bachmann, and notably, Rick Perry, claiming that his dominionist-supported prayer fast in Houston was non-partisan and apolitical, or fundamentalists like Ralph Reed, denying such a thing as dominionism exists, even while dominionists like C. Peter Wagner write books about it.
Catholic League President Bill Donohue is a serial liar on behalf of Christianity and Catholicism in particular. He wants equality for the LGBT community stopped at all costs, so he lies. For example,
Let’s follow the logic. Every world religion is either opposed to homosexuality or takes no position on it; not one finds it acceptable. So if being opposed to homosexuality makes one phobic, then almost the entire world (throughout all of history) suffers the same malady. Not only that, we are to believe that the problem in this case is not delirious homosexuals taking up the cause of segregation, it’s the Catholic Church’s teachings on sexual ethics.
This is a complete fabrication, and Donohue is far from alone in making it – it is in fact mantra of the ultra-Protestant Religious Right as well as part of their “Natural Law” meme. The truth, as I reported here previously, is contrary to this claim:
But homosexuality, few people realize, is a modern concept. The pathology of the 19th century created the category from the male/female conceptualized as abnormal.[1] Ancient ideas about sex and sexuality are far more ambiguous.[2]
To claim therefore (as Donohue of necessity does when he claims “all of history”) that modern distinctions and prejudices are simply continuances of ancient Pagan feeling on the subject is to misstate the case. As Marilyn Katz puts it, “the nineteenth-century notion of sexual pathology was unknown to antiquity.” As she goes on to say, “[T]here is a radical discontinuity between the ancient and modern discourses on sexuality.”[3]
Rick Santorum provides another example in his claim that Planned Parenthood is practicing eugenics. He hates Planned Parenthood. He will say anything to destroy it, including making things up and twisting the words of others. In fact, Santorum’s special skill seems to be, as I wrote here previously, in making words say things they do not say, in this case an interview with Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg given to New York Times Magazine in 2009 that Santorum and his anti-life buddies take as evidence that Planned Parenthood is all about preventing the birth of “undesirables.” Rank dishonesty.
Then of course we have Focus on the Family’s Tom Minnery lying to a congressional DOMA hearing, claiming that a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services report showed that “children living with their own married biological or adoptive mothers and fathers were generally healthier and happier.” Minnery hates the idea of marriage equality so he will, like Santorum, pretend somebody said something they did not say. As Al Franken (D-MN) pointed out, “It doesn’t. The study defines a nuclear family as ‘one or more children living with two parents who are married to one another and are each biological or adoptive parents to all the children in the family.” The study’s main author agreed that Franken was right. And this is not the only example of conservative Christians lying about studies, particularly when it comes to LGBT rights.
But it’s a strange thing, isn’t it, that a religion that claims exclusive possession of “the” truth, would tell lies as a means of access to that truth? How can deceit give birth to ultimate truth? Ehrman calls this use of “deception to promote truth…one of the most unsettling ironies of the early Christian tradition.”[5] He is right. And it is unsettling still
Some might protest that they are not Christians at all. They say they are, and I have argued that they are. But of course, none of us can know their hearts. Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps they are the ones they keep warning us about, knowing enemies of Christendom, stalking the darkness and dealing in the currency of deceit on behalf of the Father of Lies. If, as these people complain, moral relativism afflicts our culture, they themselves seem to have embraced it wholeheartedly.
After all, Matthew 7:16 has Jesus saying, “You will know them by their fruits.” And he says the same thing again at Matthew 12:33: “…the tree is known by its fruit.” This idea is found in the Old Testament at 1 Samuel 24:13 “As the ancient proverb says, Out of the wicket comes forth wickedness…’” So let’s know these fundamentalists as they stand revealed by their own words and condemned by their own Holy Scriptures as the liars they are.



Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 9:22 am
There are many examples coming out in the light of archaeology and a true assessment of facts and the yiddish language. For instance the psalms of David were not written by David, they were written FOR and ABOUT David. The beginning of the manuscripts address the psalms to David.(Conveniently left out)Not a god. David himself was at best a nondescript king. Solomon was by far a better known king. Because of Solomon, following kings called their linage out to be the same as Solomon, ie: a direct line to David
Judas? Now there is a doozy. Judas Iscariot was a revolutionary person as were most of the people during their day. Iscariot happens to not be his name, but stands for a certain group who used a certain knife as a “logo” so to speak in their quest get rid of the Romans rule. The real story goes that he turned jesus over to the jewish priest (NOT the Romans) thinking that the popularity of jesus would start the people on the path to being on the side of the revolutionary group he stood with. It was the Jews who murdered jesus not the Romans. When he seen that happen, Judas was mortified, he had no idea that the jews would kill jesus, he had only wanted to rile the people up. He hung himself yes, but where? He hung himself in front of the family tomb of annas(spelling)who was the head priest in charge of killing jesus. The head jews were in bed with the Romans because of the power they derived from that union and jesus was a threat in the form of an uprising. The entire story has been changed
The story of the exodus out of Egypt is a fraud. The Jews were not slaves in Egypt, the people who worked there were paid. The people who built the pyramids were paid labor. The jews left Egypt when there was no more work to be paid for. Why did the Egyptians pursue them? Because the jews ravished a city for food and weapons on their way out of that country.
The simple bible stories we were told as kids for the most part are just stories that are warped around. In the same way the fundies are wrapping stories around agendas that will fulfill their search for power and cash. How easily one can bend a religion to recreate the power of the priests who were aligned with the ruling class.
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A Walkaway
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Not only that, but there is only a little evidence of Jews being in Egypt, and the only record of non-Egyptian people being expelled/leaving was a fairly small group.
When you add to that the name Moses (Moshe), and the fact that such a name would have no meaning in the old Egyptian language (and Egyptian royalty would never give a child an Aramaic name), it becomes even more problematic. Plus, they discovered that the “First Born of Pharaoh” was killed as a young adult in battle – the records say by a mace, and when they found his mummy, the death wound was consistent with a blow from a mace.
One of my concerns is that people don’t understand the thinking of the time – plagiarism is a much more modern concept and it was common (not only with Christians, but in general) to assign the name of someone famous to one’s own writings. Anyone who takes the Bible literally and “written by the Finger of God” is making a huge mistake, because they don’t know the history of the Bible, the problems with translating (many words aren’t known even today), writing styles, common stories and understandings in the culture of the time (some of the parables of the Bible had a different meaning than they do today).
I used to hear all the time about “Studying the Bible!!!!”, but what they meant was READING the Bible. True Bible study is very difficult, time consuming, and scholarly. It requires bringing in many different sources than just the one compilation of books.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Here is a series I have been following. Watch the 21 minute video clip
http://bit.ly/np6YhB
The hebrew religion in question
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..-.-
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
What GARBAGE. You don’t START with a fairy tale and MAKE archaeology FIT the fairy tale. You START with the facts IN THE GROUND, and see if the fairy tale still stands up to the test of FACTS.
Utter Hogwash.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Sorry, but that IS the archaeology. You cant call it hogwash until you refute it
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SinghX
Aug. 29th, 2011 at 10:40 am
I can refute your “21 minutes” by having you refer to the volumes of work by the historian Karen Armstrong (a nun) who scholarly work on “god” et al all others known to pontificate on this question.
You cannot call Karen Armstrong’s academic research “hogwash” until you’ve read her thoroughly, not just “21 minutes” of an edited video.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 29th, 2011 at 10:41 am
I’m not usually in the habit of calling someone’s research hogwash until I’ve read it.but the 21 min. I referred to makes far more sense than the biblical misinformation.
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A Walkaway
Aug. 29th, 2011 at 11:53 am
I hate to say this, but “The Naked Archaeologist” is considered by a lot of archaeologists to be for entertainment only.
The Science Channel and especially The History Channel are very well known for showing things that are under the heading of “Fantastic Archaeology”; that is, unbelievable and pseudoscience. When I helped teach classes on the subject, we regularly warned students to take whatever they saw on those channels with a handful of salt.
I’ll try to find some time to view it and see what the guy says. From some of the things I’ve heard about him, I don’t have a high opinion of him. In fact, one of the things he claimed was mentioned in the class.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 29th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
certainly it uses comedy and entertainment to get its point across. This one episode makes complete sense because I believe well before I read this or watched it I’m sorry, that Israelis turned to monotheism about the time they were in Egypt. This particular show fortifies that theory and also fortifies the the Christian religion is actually worshiping the grandfather of Atenkomon (spelling) whose name in Hebrew (yaweh) would’ve been the same as jehovah and the other people were names for God. It also connects the Canaanites to Egypt. Canaan was under Egyptian rule at that time and Canaan wrote to the king of Egypt begging for his support because of a nomadic tribe named the Hebrites was attacking him. But I will let you watch the series yourself and make your own determinations.
I do not believe for a second that the Bible is all that it says it is. As far as the series that I mentioned goes I have absolutely no problem with anyone not believing it. But it does make a great deal of sense in my mind
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A Walkaway
Aug. 29th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
A better show is available via either Nova or National Geographic (both of which DO have standards for research, and are much more accurate). I’d have to dig up the name of the show I’m thinking about, but what came out is that there used to be a town called Yah, and the god of that town would have been Yahweh (the God of Yah). The video was pretty good and explained why there are some of the divisions in Biblical Archaeology today.
Jehovah is the Latinized version of Yahweh.
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Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Bart Ehrman argues (and I think proves) that forgery was no more acceptable in ancient times than in modern and that assigning somebody else’s name to something you wrote was again, no more acceptable then as now.
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A Walkaway
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
That flies in the face of what has been accepted by scholars for a long time (and not just Christian scholars, and not just Bible scholars).
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Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Aug. 29th, 2011 at 7:56 am
Ehrman stresses just that in Forged. He spent 5 years researching everything said about the subject in the ancient world and they had nothing good to say about forgeries. In Greek, he says, the two most common terms were pseudos (a falsehood) and nothos (an illegitimate child – bastard). Latin writers used terms like “to lie,” “to falsify,” “to adulterate,” “to counterfeit.” You can tell they didn’t feel any better about forgery than we do today.
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Ian Mason
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
1) It was the Romans who crucified people, mainly rebels. The Jews stoned people to death. 2) Moses is an Egyptian name: Several Pharoes were named (Tut)moses. Get your facts right.
The Hebrews were nomadic herders in the Sinai region who headed for Egypt during periodic droughts, as the Nile didn’t dry up, which probably is the basis for the Joseph-interprets-pharo’s-dreams story and the Exodus story.
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A Walkaway
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Correct about the Romans. There was an interesting National Geographic video several months ago about “Who Really Killed Jesus?” that discusses His crucification and the situation with the Roman authorities. From what I’ve read, it was pretty much a “Roman thing”.
Moses is the translated version, Moshe (with an accent) is the name in Aramaic (pre-Hebrew version) that would have been spoken. Just as Jesus is not the real name – it would have been Yeshua (or according to a couple of things I’ve read, possibly Yoshua).
That doesn’t mean that Moses didn’t exist, or that a group of “Samaritans”* (the Egyptians considered everyone from the area to be the same and used the same name for all from the area) were expelled from Egypt – I read some time ago that there are ancient Egyptian documents that describe how Ramses the Great evicted a group of “Samaritans” from Egypt for inciting riots.
*- I’m pretty sure this is the correct term… it’s been a while since I’ve read on the subject.
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Brown cow
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 10:07 am
There are many, many contradictions in the Bible. If I remember correctly, there is another story written in there that describes Judas as dying because he (sort of) exploded and his intestines spilled out. Also read all the versions of the story of Jesus’ birth. They are all different so either only one isn’t made up or they’re all a lie.
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boil
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
xtianity- greatest racket of all time….. especially the catholic cabal…. its all about money and power…. all thru their sordid history….
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e
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
con artists have always known that using god as a cover was best possible racket. if they tell you they are a christian, watch your back. if you figure they are a christian because of the way they act, and you have to ask, that’s another story.
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SinghX
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
…”Sun Myung Moon taught his followers a strategy for winning the world back to God. He called it “Heavenly Deception” and instructed his members how God’s champions in the Bible had been permitted to deceive for heavenly purposes…”
SOURCE: Allen Tate Wood in “Moonstruck”
It has always been my premise that during the 70′s, Moon’s heyday, the Moral Majority, Falwell, et al were insanely jealous of Rev Moons ability to cull followers and grow a “christian empire” around the world. I firmly believe that they’ve done everything they could to copy his success in order to grow “prosperous”, have an empire like his…call me crazy, but I see his “heavenly deception” has become quite the popular “means to justify the ends” by fundamentalist christian republicans.
Moon is just way too quiet these days…too damn quiet…
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A Walkaway
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Funny thing is that from what you’ll find on Talk2Action, the dominionists (or at least some of them) have formed ties with Moon.
I remember that during the late 70s, when I was still in school back then (the dominionists recruited me and brainwashed me into leaving), there was a big fight for souls on campus… the Mormons, the Scientologists, the proto-dominionists (Pentecostals), and the Boston COC were all struggling with each other for converts. Different groups almost came to blows at times. They’d send pretty girls to recruit guys, and the girls would get REAL catty with each other, exposing their true nature (and turning off their targets). They used missionary dating and other really nasty versions of “heavenly deception”- ALL of them. (That’s how they finally trapped me.)
Now we learn that some that were the most hostile to each other now have connections at the highest levels.
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SinghX
Aug. 29th, 2011 at 7:49 am
…Wasn’t the “sending in the pretty girls” call “Flirty Fishing” by COG? I don’t remember them on my campus as it was a place run by those “radical nuns” who cut their hair in protest of the war. I do remember traveling on spring break and finding hoards of these “recruiters” all over other campus’s pulling on student’s sleeves, asking if they needed a “place to sleep” that night. You know, the old, “all hippie-types have loose morals” shtick.
This method has also been used in recent years by the FLDS women who were put in abandon motels bought by Jeff’s to deal with the “over-flow” wives/children. These young, pretty FLDS women were caught by AZ highway patrol “proselytizing”, using their “bodies” to earn money to feed their kids; they were given “permission” to do “the lord’s work” as there wasn’t enough to go around for them, being wife # 16 or something like that…after several arrest, Jeff’s decided to get even with the “government” for “interfering” with his family affairs. He devised his famous “bleed the beast” prophesy and got all the women on welfare, pulled the kids out of the local public schools and threw the county into money problems…lovely family.
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A Walkaway
Aug. 29th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Flirty Fishing is another term for it. Except as far as I know, none of the Jesus-speaking ones would have sex.
They sure suggested it, however. That and the possibility of long-time (permanent) relationships… which turned out to be a big lie.
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Gregory Goodman
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Considering Moses was indeed raised Egyptian and educated as to the name of god for the Egyptians, when did we start changing the meaning of the name “Amen”?
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A Walkaway
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
The etymology of the word is interesting… it seems to be the Hebrew word for Truth, although “absolutely” or “surely” also seem to be an appropriate translation.
Maybe a bit of cross-pollination there??
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suzanne hannum
Aug. 28th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
let the reader beware be wary and question all things written with human hands :}
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dmx
Aug. 29th, 2011 at 12:43 am
“Wandering in a vast forest at night, I have only a faint light to guide me. A stranger appears and says to me: ‘My friend, you should blow out your candle in order to find your way more clearly.’ This stranger is a theologian.”
– Denis Diderot, Addition to Philosophical Thoughts (c. 1762)
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An Oceanic Meeting With Albert Einstein.
Aug. 29th, 2011 at 6:07 am
The fifth gospel of Thomas was written in India.
It has not been included in the Bible, it was not available to
Constantine, who was compiling, and who was deciding what was to be included and what was not to be included.
It was because of Constantine that all these ideas, mythologies, and fictions have been added to the life of Jesus.
Thomas, is the disciple closest to Jesus.
Jesus sent Thomas to south India.
But his sayings are not included in the Bible, because the real Jesus and his closest disciples have to be excluded – they are too dangerous.
JESUS SAID: IF THOSE WHO LEAD YOU SAY TO YOU, ‘SEE, THE KINGDOM IS IN HEAVEN,’ THEN THE BIRDS OF HEAVEN WILL PRECEDE YOU.
IF THEY SAY TO YOU, ‘IT IS IN THE SEA,’ THEN THE FISH WILL PRECEDE YOU.
BUT THE KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU AND IT IS WITHOUT YOU.
IF YOU WILL KNOW YOURSELVES, THEN YOU WILL BE KNOWN AND YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOU ARE THE SONS OF THE LIVING FATHER.
BUT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW YOURSELVES, THEN YOU ARE IN POVERTY AND YOU ARE POVERTY.
The kingdom of God has been preached as if it is always somewhere else: in time, in space, but always somewhere else – not here and now.
Why has this happened?
Why is the kingdom of God not here and now?
Why in the future, or why somewhere else?
It is because of the human mind.
It is not anywhere else, it is exactly where you are this moment.
You have completely missed Jesus, because your mind goes on interpreting.
What have you interpreted?
A master is not a man who teaches you, a master is a man who awakens you.
A master is not a man who has some information to give to you, a master is a man who is going to give you a glimpse into your own being.
You can only change yourself, and the moment you are changed the world starts changing, because you are a vital part in it.
Self-knowledge happens only to a wordless mind – not knowledge that you gather through the mind, but knowledge that you come to possess when you encounter yourself.
Self-knowledge is a transforming force, nothing else is to be done.
The moment you know, change occurs.
Knowledge itself is transforming; it is not that first you know and then you do something to change.
Knowledge is not a method, it is not a means; knowledge is the end in itself.
Accept life as it is, and be thankful for it as it is; have a deep gratitude – that’s what makes a religious man.
And once you accept the whole, you become whole.
All divisions disappear, a deep silence ascends in you.
“I believe in Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.
The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously.
The most beautiful and most profound religious emotion that we can experience is the sensation of the mystical.
And this mysticality is the power of all true science.” Albert Einstein.
Modern physics, in the hands of Albert Einstein, has turned almost into mysticism.
Nobody has noted the fact, because mystics don’t understand modern physics and the physicists do not care about the mystics.
The mystics have always experienced that they are one, but nobody has listened to them.
Perhaps man was not mature enough to understand the depth of their declaration.
The mystics have simply expressed the oneness of all.
Physicists go into detail.
Albert Einstein, especially, was the first scientist to come to the conclusion that time is the fourth dimension of matter.
Matter has three dimensions, the fourth dimension is invisible and that is time, but it is not separate from matter.
Modern physics has declared – without declaring the death of matter – that there is no matter at all.
With the disappearance of matter and with the death of God, only one energy remains in the whole cosmos.
Now time and space cannot be two.
They have to be expressions of one energy.
Spacetime.
But the mind can succeed only as far as science is concerned, it cannot succeed in religious consciousness.
One has to understand that the methodology that works for the outer cannot work for the inner.
Simply because the inner is the opposite dimension, the same methods will not be applicable.
You will have to find new methodology for the inner.
And that is meditation.
The mind cannot understand that which is beyond words; it can understand only that which is linguistically, logically right.
It can only conceive very limited things.
It has no intelligence of its own; it is a memory system.
You feed it certain information, it will keep it on record.
Whenever you want, it will supply it.
An intelligent man’s mind is capable of containing all the information that is in all the libraries of the world – it is almost infinite.
But mind is simply a collection of memories of the past, and – out of those memories – imagination about the future.
Understanding this whole process, one thing becomes certain: why the mind avoids the present, which is the real, and why it tries to get involved with past and future, which are not real.
God is a need for the mind, because the mind cannot conceive infinite, eternal things.
God simply is not there.
A man of meditation knows there is no God other than life itself.
God is simply the poverty of human consciousness.
God exists because you are not aware of yourself.
The moment you know yourself, there is no God and there is no need of any God.
When I say there is no God, I am not saying that I disbelieve in God; even for disbelief, God has to be.
I am simply saying there is no God, has never been – all definitions are inventions.
When you come to reality there is no negativity, no positivity.
So there is no question of atheism or theism.
The whole world of polarities is transcended.
But the mind cannot conceive how contradictions can meet, how polarities can be one.
Yet in existence they are meeting, they are one.
Reality is herenow.
Osho – The Mustard Seed:
Commentaries on the Fifth Gospel of Thomas.
The God Conspiracy.
The Transmission Of The Lamp.
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rebecca
Aug. 29th, 2011 at 8:29 am
i just would like to read the books they talk about. i havenever really known what to believe but when its comes to MY GOD i know what is happening
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Scott
Aug. 29th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
All religions, at all times, and in all places on this planet, are myths. There are not gods, there are no demons. You are free to do whatever you want.
Today, in the US, those at the top of the religious heap, know what the Pope knows: their religion is a gigantic myth. They know this, and rely on their followers to NOT know it.
Well, I just said it for you. Religion is mind-control. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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