We last visited Sally Kern (R-OK) when she was complaining about being stoned for her bigoted and intolerant views of everyone who isn’t like her. At the time, she was peddling her self-published ode to herself called The Stoning of Sally Kern: The Liberal Attack on Christian Conservatism. Of course, Christian conservatism isn’t under attack at all. Christian conservatism is doing the attacking, attacking the constitutional rights of millions of Americans who don’t happen to be Christian conservatives.
But you can’t disagree with a Christian conservative because that’s persecution. And you can’t be different from them, because that’s terrorism. That’s how the world works in the very clunky thought-processes of self-victimizing Sally Kern. Now she is saying that HIV/AIDS has killed more people than terrorists. That’s rather like saying the ocean is wetter than the desert. One has nothing to do with the other. One is a disease. The other is a violent act committed by a deranged human being on other human beings.
But as I said, that’s how the world works for Sally Kern and she was more than happy to share her warped sense of morality the other day (pre-recorded August 31 and aired September 3, 2011) with Peter LaBarbera of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality (which is really lies about homosexuality).
This is the voice of human ugliness. Use it to frighten your children on Halloween (audio courtesy of Right Wing Watch):
You know if you just look at it in practical terms, which has destroyed and ended the life of more people? Terrorism attack here in America or HIV/ AIDS? In the last twenty years, fifteen to twenty years, we’ve had maybe three terrorist attacks on our soil with a little over 5,000 people regrettably losing their lives. In the same time frame, there have been hundreds of thousands who have died because of having AIDS. So which one’s the biggest threat? And you know, every day our young people, adults too, but especially our young people, are bombarded at school, in movies, in music, on TV, in the mall, in magazines, they’re bombarded with ‘homosexuality is normal and natural.’ It’s something they have to deal with every day. Fortunately we don’t have to deal with a terrorist attack every day, and that’s what I mean.
She might as well argue that natural disasters kill more people than terrorists too. Doesn’t that make nature a bigger threat than terrorism? Shouldn’t we do something about it? Like, maybe not cutting spending for programs that might actually protect us from nature’s wrath?
It’s more dangerous, and yes I think that it’s also more dangerous because it will tear down the moral fiber of this nation. We were founded as a nation upon the principles of religion and morality, if we take those out from under our society we will lose what has made us a great nation, we will no longer be a virtuous people, which we see happening already. And without virtue this nation will not survive.
I don’t know, Sally. I think nature is going to tear down the infrastructure and the economy of this nation. Shouldn’t we do something? Or how about cancer? Cancer is a huge killer. Isn’t cancer the enemy? And if HIV/AIDS is the enemy, as she claims, why is she attacking the LGBT community? Shouldn’t she be attacking cancer patients instead, or as well? Or victims of hurricanes, floods, twisters, and typhoons? Does she seriously think only gay people have AIDS? Did she have to lock herself in a tiny room and beat herself repeatedly on the head to get this close-minded and uninformed? Or do we have to blame her parents, or an accident of genetics?
And she’s entirely wrong, as always. She claims our nation is based on principles of religion and morality. Our nation is based on principles of individual human rights and liberty. It is based on the granting of rights, not the stripping of rights. What made us great is our very secular constitution, which this ignorant woman now wants to replace with a list of commandments which take rights away. I think the only thing we won’t survive is stupidity like that of Sally Kerns.
No, sally Kern hasn’t been stoned, but maybe she should be, metaphorically at least, for her unconscionable behavior and attitudes, completely at odds with the basic principles of liberty embodied by the United States Constitution and for which this country stands. Consider this your stoning, Sally Kern. Nobody has deserved it more and that’s not an easy accomplishment these days.
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Kate
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Sally Kern shouldn’t be stoned…she’s already stoned, if you get my meaning. Must be high as a mother-lovin’ kite, spouting such nonsensical crap.
Also, it seems to me like she’s trying to play on the title of “The Stoning of Soraya M”. Which is just heinous behavior in and of itself. What a disgusting little woman.
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Nobody Special
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
What is with all the stoner hate, don’t you realize that the stoners are on your side. I am a highly intelligent and articulate person and yes I smoke weed. The stereotype of the dumb, loser stoner has got to end – it just simply isn’t true.
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Kate
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Hey, don’t get your knickers in a bunch, I happen to be pro-legalization.
I also know it’s a fact that stoned, drunk, or off your rocker coming off general anesthesia, people can say some very weird things. I started singing (very off-key) about floating ballet shoes once when I was coming out of surgery.
Dumb, sometimes.
Loser, depends on the rest of their behavior and life.
Funny? ALWAYS.
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Reynardine
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Y’know what Bob Dylan said. Everybody must get stoned (and yes, I think it’d do her a world of good)
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Kate
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Sadly, I think it might just make her more crazy.
My cousin’s relatively smart. Good grades, good relationship…but when she lights up, she somehow gets onto the subject of how purple grapes are the downtrodden, racist-oppressed citizens of Grape World (shoulda been there for THAT Facebook post, it was hilarious!).
Don’t want to know what someone already cuckoo for cocoa puffs might say (to the media!) when you give her a joint. Next thing you know, she’ll be talking about how Satan is using gay people in a secret lab to come up with weather-manipulating machines to attack Republican states along the Gulf Coast.
…Please tell me Bachmann hasn’t already said something similar.
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Reynardine
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
I once had a friend who said stuff like that with nohelpatall.
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Kate
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
HAH! Think my mother is like that these days.
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Reynardine
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Damn, she looks and sounds like an inbreeder to me. So which has done more damage to this country: tornados or cousin marriage?
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Kate
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
I’m shocked, Oklahoma isn’t a state that allows marriage between first cousins. Must be something in the water.
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Reynardine
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Cousin sperm. Her mother went swimming in the crick after her first cousin had…
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Kate
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
>_____>
Thank you for that uniquely disturbing mental image.
I’m guaranteed to have a very nightmare-filled sleep tonight.
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Dan Skinner
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Im serious…wasn’t she the creature in Jeepers Creepers?
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A Walkaway
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
When I read the title, the first thing I thought of was the gay couples in this county that have suffered the “mysterious fire”. I personally have met one, and some of my LGBT friends have mentioned several other instances. They’re never reported or investigated (most of the people are also not too well off). There have been two such along roads that I frequent – within the last few years. Both within a few miles of where I live.
Then there are the beatings. The firings. The hate language that you are very likely to hear (especially if they have “Bible Radio” playing in stores).
So who is the real terrorists – the gay people who just want to be left alone to live their own lives, or the “Good Christians” who torched their homes and did all of the other things?
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Nobody Special
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
it’s nice to be on the outside looking in, isn’t it.
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A Walkaway
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
??? What do you mean by that?
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Reynardine
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
He’s stoned, of course (see his first entry)
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Nobody Special
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
Gee thanks…see below
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Nobody Special
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
As in, you are no longer a part of the hate. It’s nice to be able to look back at your religion and not regret leaving it behind. I used to be religious albeit not involved to the extent that you were. I am an atheist, probably one of the most hated groups in this country – next to pedophiles – if you can believe that. I look at the things the religious say and wonder how can they hate so much yet espouse virtue and love for their neighbor. It boggles the mind, yet they do it without irony. I feel like an outsider to religion, which I am, but looking inward at the religious and seeing what they really are makes me happy that I’m not one of them.
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A Walkaway
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
I stopped being part of the hate once I learned that (1) the things I’d been taught by conservative churches were lies, and (2) some bad experiences I’d had were exceptions to the rule.
The church I belong to, on the other hand, has never been part of the hate. I am still Christian, and will probably always be so. I am a UU Christian. Indeed, we’ve been targets of the hate too. Remember the UU church in Kentucky? I could name many other examples.
I would add to the list of hated groups Walkaways, especially those who speak out and tell their stories. As a group, we’re hated and many have received death threats (I have). Along with the other groups, we are under a death mark if the dominionists ever gain power… because we’re “apostates” in their eyes.
As far as LGBT people, yeah, maybe I’m on the outside looking in. But I’ve experienced the same sort of things that many LGBT people have – except being murdered. In my case, because I’m a vocal walkaway who openly resists them and tries to undo the damage they do to people.
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Nobody Special
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
I read your story “To Those Who May Be Shocked, Disappointed and Hurt by the News of My Apostasy” so I should have noted that I was speaking specifically about your tenure as a fundamentalist and that it is nice to look back and not regret leaving. I meant no harm.
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A Walkaway
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 12:14 am
Hmmm… that sounds like someone else’s story… I’ve never written anything under that title as far as I remember (and I have a pretty good memory, although it has its glitches).
If I did, I don’t remember writing it (which happens on rare occasions, as I’ve been fighting and blogging against dominionism for at least six years).
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Nobody Special
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 12:31 am
My mistake, I thought that was you for some reason??? don’t know where I got that idea.
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Nobody Special
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 12:33 am
It was written by a person named Vyckie Bennett (Garrison)
whom may be a commenter here…
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Ray
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Frankly, I believe that evangelical Christianity is the most dangerous terrorist threat to the world today.
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Ingarose
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Almost most religions are dangerous to a point. Hinduism had the cast system which was more than cruel to the ‘untouchables’. Islam in its extreme has its jihad, killing all the infidels. Christians with the crusades killed millions under the name of ‘Christ’.
It really is time to move beyond religions alltogether. I am not talking about atheism but simply leaving religions behind for a more spiritual approach to everything.
The Evangelicans are riding their high horse right now, but in time this too will pass.
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Kate
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
“It really is time to move beyond religions alltogether. I am not talking about atheism but simply leaving religions behind for a more spiritual approach to everything.”
It’s a pretty vision…but sadly, detrimental religion would eventually return, if people were simply left to their own beliefs. We human beings are very much herd animals, we crave social interaction with those similar to us. The main difference between spirituality and religion is organization, and a stated code of morals or behavior. We tend to crave group activity, the world will always contain idiots…and when those idiots gather and codify their behavior, you get religiously-spawned conflicts and attempts at social/legal legislation.
What really needs to be done is for the rest of us to educate and love the stupid out of the stupid ones, by both example and informative teachings. That way, when religious groups inevitably come together, there will be far fewer idiots to add their opinions to the mix.
Disbanding wouldn’t be enough, as that would only be a temporary solution. We need to actually fix the problem of the heinous amount of ignorant people in our midst.
And that probably made only a quarter-ounce of sense to you and two ounces of sense to me, as my medication just kicked in. Wowwww, bed time!
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Nobody Special
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
It makes plenty of sense. Religion is a disease of the mind and it must be treated. When we gather in groups to express love for a single thing (god, in this case) group mentality takes over (much like a riot, in that regard), the problem therein is that it is difficult to abstain from an in-group mentality, because we feel comfortable there. We need to make the religious comfortable with the idea that not being religious is a good thing – which is very difficult because of the nature of religion
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Kate
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Well, I don’t know about religion INHERENTLY being a disease…I myself am Episcopal Christian, and I’ve found the denomination and belief as a whole to be the most Christ-like, love-focused, accepting one I’ve ever been in (and I grew up in a Catholic church where it was more acceptable for my adopted father to strangle me half to death than for me to claim a non-straight sexuality and non-cisgendered gender). It’s nice to surround myself with a healthy support system who also know the same God I know.
I think it’s more misuse and abuse of religion that’s the truly negative thing, not belief in and of itself. We need to teach the violently religious that there are paths out there that teach love, tolerance, and still keep the elegance of their spiritual tradition. There are Muslims whose love of Allah is so gentle, they might as well fart roses. There are Christians whose Christ-like behavior would put Mother Theresa to shame. The challenge is getting the obstinate, vocal fundamentalists to try to emulate their gentler brethren.
Those with true, deep faith in what they follow will still keep their practices, those without faith will still keep theirs, and together we can work to clear out the idiots and get them to see that there are other ways to express themselves besides stepping on their neighbors’ toes. That’s the real disease that we need to treat: the cancer of violent fundamentalism spreading and destroying the healthy portion of the religious communities.
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Nobody Special
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
I suppose we just have different views on religion. You seem to believe that religion is inherently good as long as the “idiots” are ousted, while I tend to believe that religion is inherently bad. Not necessarily because of the beliefs (although, some are quite dangerous) but because of the fact that it is susceptible to such misgivings, not to mention it’s anti-logic and anti-scientific viewpoints as well as it’s ability to control and distort the minds of otherwise healthy individuals.
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A Walkaway
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 12:09 am
May I suggest that it is FUNDAMENTALISM that is the problem. I liken it to a spiritual virus, and like a virus it spreads and changes the cells (churches) it infects – creating new viruses (converts) which try to infect others. There are or have been fundamentalists in every religion, and they cause all sorts of heartaches. There are even fundamentalist atheists… I’ve encountered a few. They’re obnoxious and just as bad as the militant dominionists.
There are people who have developed resistance to the virus. There are others who have become sensitized to it and fight against it. The virus itself is a threat to society and must be resisted whenever it shows up (kind of like a chronic illness).
Religion, on the other hand, is a cultural constant – ALL cultures have some form of religion. I would strongly argue that it is part of human nature… with the responses on a spectrum. Thus, you’d have atheists on one end and devout believers on the other hand (NOT fundamentalists, which are an aberration). Thus I would say that religion itself isn’t the disease.
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Nobody Special
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 1:01 am
Of course you are arguing from the viewpoint of a believer. I suppose it is hard for you to accept that god doesn’t exist. It is equally difficult for me to believe that one does and I don’t just mean the Abrahamic god, I mean ALL gods, YHWH, BAAL, Odin, you name it. In fact in those terms we are all atheists and like Dawkins writes, I just go one god further. Speaking of Dawkins, I have read “The God Delusion” several times and he delves into what I call a disease of the mind and other such things on the origins of religion in human nature as well as memetic theories and the so called “need” for religion or rather its roots a type of “in-group – out-group” phenomena in nature. It is a good read if you are not too sensitive about reading a book that does not “don kid gloves” about religion and it’s nonsense.
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A Walkaway
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Dawkins is a fundamentalist atheist, and I don’t listen to fundamentalists.
In fact (and I know I’ll get jumped on, but the scientific community with the exception of militant atheists agree with me on this too), atheism is religion too. It’s no more scientific to claim that God doesn’t exist than to claim that God does exist. It’s a matter of BELIEF.
You can’t test it, therefore it’s not science. Period. So atheism isn’t more scientific than theism.
When atheists start getting very materialistic, they loose me. I’ve had experiences in my life that are not explainable AT ALL from any materialistic point of view… but since they are anecdotal, they wouldn’t be generally accepted as any form of evidence. My experiences even violate the laws of nature as understood by science. So I will NEVER become an atheist. Just as I will never become a fundamentalist or dominionist (again). (I might add that the dominionists don’t seem to understand the word “Never”, and I am past sick and tired of their attempts to ‘bring him back into the fold’.)
So don’t try to convert me. (Trying to convert others is also a symptom of fundamentalism.) Accept that we have different viewpoints and stop attacking what is a central part of a different person’s very being. I don’t have any problem with you being atheist… isn’t it rather fundamentalist-like that you have such a problem with me being Christian?
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Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 10:23 am
I must disagree that trying to convert others is fundamentalism. It might be at its lowest base, however let’s remember that one of the tenets of Christianity( and Islam) is to convert people to their respective gods. Religious people which I use as a blanket for Christians, Muslims and the rest, live to do exactly that. So I don’t think that you can call people who try to convert people fundamentalists. I think there is a line that you have to cross before you become fundamentalist and that is what the Dominionists have done. The line is also crossed in a normal everyday church when religious people threaten someone they do not agree with.
As far as atheism being a religion, just like in religious circles there are two ways to look at it. The religious person who minds his own business, and the religious person who goes out of their way to convert, equal to the atheist to mind his own business and does not even consider religion are not being religious as well as the atheist who tries extremely hard to convert people
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A Walkaway
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Shiva, thanks. You said it quite well. We’ll have to agree to disagree about fundamentalism.
The Christianity I adhere to doesn’t believe in trying to convert others (I’m talking about my core… which is acceptable to UUism, but not UUism). The saying “whatever floats your boat” works for us.
I’ve also met Muslims who were adamantly opposed to trying to convert people.
Maybe we’re the exceptions to the rule, but I don’t consider attempting to convert others to be inherently part of Christianity or Islam (although certain groups make it seem that way).
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Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 11:23 am
for Christians the Bible tells them to go out and spread the word so in my mind it is inherent in at least the Christian religion. I’m pretty sure Islam says the same thing
but then again there is a difference between spreading the word and conversion. I think that’s a line that can be cross very easily for any religion.
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Kate
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
@ NobodySpecial
Regarding “anti-logic and anti-scientific viewpoints”.
That very much depends on the denomination (and even individual church) you ask.
As an Episcopal, I am a member of a faith community encouraged to struggle with our God, and to judge anything we come across regarding our faith with what we fondly call “the three-legged stool of scripture, reason, and tradition”. Scripture without reason or tradition is blind literal faith. Reason without scripture or tradition is simply spirituality (which is nice, but pointless in any faith community that holds to regular gatherings and values a sense of community). And tradition without reason or scripture is simply habit.
We very much accept current scientific views and developments, and question extreme happenings of faith (miracles) with a keen eye and discuss whether it is truly a miracle or whether God is working through means that are observable through and in harmony with what we know about or physical world.
We openly accept people of any gender, sexuality, marital status, and social standing. (Hell, if they accept me, as strange as I am, they’ll accept anyone!)
The same goes for the more progressive communities of Reform Judaism, least that’s what I hear from a friend who recently converted to it.
If you’re talking about the Dominionist or other such fundamentalist views (especially those coming from splinter sects like the WBC and Fundamentalist LDS Church), then yes they are very anti-logic and anti-science. They’re cults. It is practically regulation for a cult to deny modern developments as a means to keep the followers in the cult and subservient to the leader (in addition to social isolation, the giving up of material wealth to the cult, strict adherence to cult rules, and severe punishment if the rules or broken or one tries to leave the cult).
(And aside from having a rather progressive scientific view (finally), the modern Roman Catholic church is very much a cult (albeit a bit softer and more internalized than blatant cults like the WBC), with denial of Holy Communion if you are not Catholic or fall away from Catholicism (quite a slap in the face to my First Christian boyfriend), insistence on regular confession, marriage within a church building…not to mention their absurd stances on birth control and divorce……I’m so glad I left that all behind, I’m much happier for it.)
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Kate
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
As for conversion, again it differs.
I’ve driven Jehovah’s Witnesses off my doorstep with my hand on the trigger of a fire extinguisher, because they blatantly ignore our apartment complex’s strict no solicitation policy and bother people at a very early hour of the morning (usually right when I’m getting out of the mother-lovin’ shower). Pain-in-the-asses, people who try to convert you after getting a polite “no thanks”.
But I’ve also noticed the opposite. In my church, we’re encouraged to treat spreading the Word like a book club. Most people are obviously smart enough to read for themselves what is written regarding our faith when given the texts. It is up to us to further explain it as it pertains to our faith community and our personal faith. If they’re interested, invite them to a service. If they decline, talk about sandwiches. It’s a no-nonsense, practical way of going about it. Don’t talk anyone’s ear off, respect their chosen faith path (or lack of one), and be honest about what your faith community believes and what you yourself personally believe. People are extraordinarily complex, and we’re bound to have something in common that doesn’t fall under religious practices. Sooner or later we’ll both be out for a beer together, talking about the latest TV show we both like.
And as for militant or fundamentalist atheism…very few things grate on my nerves like an annoying atheist. Take my biological mother, for instance. She’s not just atheist, she’s anti-theist, in a way. Raising my sister to openly mock religious beliefs and those who hold them, claiming to give her free choice in whatever path she follows but scolding and degrading her when she starts considering spiritual paths, and being a downright tit to people who say so much as an automatic “God bless you” when she sneezes. She tends to get vicious when confronted with even the gentlest faith. (But then, she’s also got mental problems heaped on top of being betrayed by her religious mother, so that’s probably a good portion of her knee-jerk rude reactions. It’s human nature to shun that which has hurt you in the past.)
But really. It’s great that you don’t care to follow any spiritual or religious path. It’s your own life, and if you’re living in a healthy, mature manner, more power to ya. But at least grant me the right to follow my own path with the same dignity I give you and your path.
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A Walkaway
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
That’s a point of major disagreement I’ve had with “Good Christians” since the beginning.
What the “word” is… or the Gospel (or the Good News). “You have to convert or you will go to hell!” isn’t good news. “You have to obey!” isn’t good news. “If you don’t believe, you’re going to hell!” isn’t good news.
“God is angry at you because of who you are!” is certainly NOT good news.
“God cares about your suffering!” could be considered Good News. “God cares about the Poor and about injustice!” would certainly be good news. “God accepts you just as you are!” might be considered good news. I would consider Jesus’ struggles for justice and decent treatment of the poor to be “Good News”.
I respect atheists too much to insist that believing in God is necessary for “Good News”, but for people who accept the presence of God, these messages can be encouraging – which is the essence of bearing good news. I would also think that much of what Jesus taught would be considered “Good News” by atheists, in that it does lay out a very powerful and ethical moral code that helps people. (Separating out the wheat from the chaff is a good metaphor for examining the Bible.)
Plus there is the difference between witnessing (telling what one has seen, heard, or experienced – being a witness) and what they THINK is “witnessing”, which is actually proselytizing. Proselytizing isn’t a good thing, and the Bible even mentions it as a bad thing.
People tend to forget that sharing is a two-way street, and it’s not done for conversion, but for learning and relating to others. I’ve learned a lot from the people here, by their sharing. I don’t always agree (and some things do make me angry), but I do appreciate what I’ve learned. I hope that my sharing has been of value to others.
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SinghX
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
I want to chime in on this with 2 points that are being thrown in the open for discourse:
1. All forms of fundamentalism, especially radical religious fundamentalism is dangerous and we must find a way to regulate these people because they threaten the peace of our families and democracy (they are violent shit-disturbers).
2. Religion is not a disease, but a mental mindset that can be twisted by those in a position of authority via cognitive dissonance, mind control, and, “comfort food” (mash potatoes
and gravy…don’t laugh…food is a big recruiter)
With that said:
The purpose of the radical cells involved within fundamentalism has very little to do with Christ consciousness, but more to do with destruction of all civilization that doesn’t look like some Cecil DeMille move set after the Apocalypses. I call their movie production,”The Bible Barbarian Revival Global Extravaganza!”
They do indeed invade schools, infect communities with fear, steeple-jack legit spiritual groups, finance political causes and candidates. Their goal, or ultimatum is to push their agenda into the daily discourse via psychological marketing meant to influence our beliefs and behavior. They’re intention is to eventually rob us of choice, our rights. They are the “disease carrier”, if you will, of fascism.
The question still remains–what do we do about these barbarians? Father Mojo* would tell you to “bless them…keep blessing them over and over” as we all know this as a “3rd Way” technique. But, not everyone has capacity, especially when they are hungry, ill-equipped on various human levels. More practical techniques are necessary and yet to be revealed. We don’t have a way to “pop the ugly” fundamentalist pimple, disinfect the people and places it has diseased. It appears that the Barbarians are inoculated against “us”; the more you try to get rid of them, the deeper they burrow under the layers like a tic.
They’re biggest weakness; they are very, very rigid. They are also trained addicted consumers; they buy whatever they’re told buy/do their masters (minister/media). Like Moses’s people, they are slaves and don’t know how to act when free, so they hoard, fight and do stupid things while wandering, waiting for some kind of Utopian A-team to rescue them. The “maya” is strong in them…
*Father Mojo is a “time traveler” who dwells among the twilight dimensions in the Sci-Fi tales of “Ruby, the Intergalactic Gumshoe”.
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Nobody Special
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
I was not trying to convert anyone. I simply gave a suggestion that you read a book if you would like to see where I was coming from with my statements, that is all. Secondly, there is no such thing as fundamental atheism, because atheism is not a belief system. It is lack of belief, that is all. I belief in certain political philosophies and ideas but I don’t believe in god. Atheism is a lack of belief in god. People that try to “convert” you from religion into atheism do so because they know the harm that religion can do. There is no harm in saying there is no god, and you are not required to follow any ethos. it is simply a stated lack of belief in god, because we “believe” there is zero evidence for its existence.
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Carolyn
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
I hate to admit this, but Sally Kern is our Legislative Representative…she is totally embarrassing to us. We worked for her opponent last election, but she didn’t have a chance against Sally “Kernservative” She really is ignorant and hyper-religious. Her husband is pastor of a church here in OKC, and is even scarier than she is. They are so fundamentalist I’m surprised he “allowed” her to be the one to run for the lege. All during the legislative session there are news spots almost weekly of the stupid things she says on the floor of the House. However, sadly, she represents what a good number of people here think.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 13th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Her nation is based on principles of her religion and her morality. She reminds me of the tea thugs who clap for death.
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JohnDavid
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 12:45 am
I like me a fiery Christian woman. In my mind right now, I’m tongue kissin’ her good.
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Reynardine
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 8:25 am
Get thee to a bathroom, Satan, and don’t come out till thou has gargled with Listerine.
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Kate
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
That fire you’re tasting is just the burn of the bacteria-laden bullshizz stuck between her teeth.
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Charlie
Sep. 14th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Just wanted to let Sally and the rest know, that being a gay man and having seen the gay agenda, we also poisoned all the wells as well…she forgot to mention that. Oh…and we’re also responsible for solar eclipses.
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A Walkaway
Sep. 15th, 2011 at 12:49 am
(Laugh) I just had an image of her playing a fiddle with a big bonfire in the background…
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RockyMissouri
Sep. 15th, 2011 at 12:02 am
YES!
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