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Citizen Shooting Galleries Trump Law Enforcement in South Carolina
I’ve got an appointment to see my sheriff later today, the same fellow who once described gun control as “getting your barrel back on the target quick”. Another statement made in the wake of an assault on a woman, “our system of justice is not making it…carry a concealed weapon; that’ll fix it.” The sheriff is not anxious to talk with me. In fact yesterday he phoned and called the whole thing off. He wanted to know, in effect, who in the hell I thought I was, wanting facts about the deaths, needless from my perspective, of two young black men. As far as he was concerned, they were doing a bad thing (an attempted break-in) and in South Carolina the deputized population can kill dudes for doing bad things whether anyone is at risk or not and whether a single toothpick has been lifted from one’s crib. The sheriff’s reticence could also have had something to do with the fact that I emailed some tough questions to him in advance. He finally consented to reconsider when I promised to come alone and if he could have an inspector sit in with him.
I had set up the meeting with the sheriff during an NAACP ‘stop the violence’ gathering, April 26 at a local black Methodist church. The meeting was in the wake of a recent spate of shootings of so-called ‘bad’ guys (3 dead, 1 head wound, all black) by citizen vigilantes fully protected by the cocoon of American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) and NRA state laws, alternately called ‘Stand Your Ground’ and/or the ‘Castle Doctrine’. I sat in the front pew about 5’ from the speaker’s podium so I could be recognized when Q & A time rolled around.
When it was his turn to speak, the sheriff looked out over the church crowd and said “I come here in the name of God!” He then offered his condolences to the victims of the uncharged shooter and insisted that the law ‘tied his hands’ which, while pretty accurate, wasn’t in the least disagreeable to him as he has long lobbied for an armed citizenry. He added, somewhat hypocritically, that he didn’t believe there was a piece of property “I own or others ever that’s worth a life.” He blamed the solicitor for refusing to let him charge the shooter.
At the end of the speech, attendees were allowed to ask questions. I immediately raised my hand. The politically ambitious black County Councilman/attorney was in charge of calling on those who had questions. After 20 minutes it became obvious that I was being intentionally ignored. That’s when I had to set up the separate sheriff’s meeting.
Meanwhile, I’ve got a lot more information to add to the pieces I’ve already written, having met and talked and emailed at length with the parents of the victims and, post-NAACP, having met with the non-charging solicitor. The solicitor had agreed to meet on short notice. I managed to arrive a few minutes early and waited outside the office with the mother and father of one of the young men and the father of the other victim, along with his girlfriend. We were invited into a conference room where we sat at a long table. For the first time we were all going to hear about the real specifics of the incident.
The first thing we learned was that the two young men had not been in the apartment at all and unlike the girlfriend of the shooter’s 9-1-1 call, they were only seen outside the apartment apparently preparing to break in, but not as described in the call as “coming out of the apartment.” The solicitor also admitted that neither man had one item belonging to the shooter. Not one. As for the actual shooting, a blackboard was used with symbols depicting outdoor A/C units. Upon the shooter approaching the men with gun in hand, they split up. One of them hid behind one of the units, the other behind another unit. For some reason, this was key for the solicitor insisting the actions of the two represented a deadly threat to the shooter. I asked if one unit was big enough to provide cover for both young men and he said ‘no’.
I also asked if this shooter was so terrified why did he continue to bear down on the men and shoot them from a distance of an estimated 4 – 5 feet. He really had no answer for that one, but pointed out that one of the perpetrators had a gun in his pocket as indeed he did. But it never left his pocket. It was a snub nose .38. The shooter had a .38 Taurus with a long barrel. Ironically, the long barreled .38 is a favorite of many police agencies.
The shooter’s holster was also found at the scene. Who rides around with a holstered gun? It was also pointed out that the two victims were wearing gloves and that one had on a ski mask. All true, but how did that piece of fashion news represent a deadly threat? Intent, yes, but deadly intent? And the ski mask had been rolled up onto the top of the head so it’s quite doubtful it could even be perceived as a ski mask by the shooter. The topic switched to the wounds. One man was shot in the left side of his head. I asked “are you telling me that the shooter felt threatened by somebody who had his head turned away from him?” The other victim was shot through the ski mask higher up on the head execution style, but still not straight on. I then finger-pantomimed pointing a gun to show that there could not have possibly been a confrontation from the position of the bullets.
In review, the shooter was not charged since he feared for his life because the men wore gloves, one had a rolled-up ski mask on his head, they were seen at the window, but not climbing through the window, there was a gun in the pocket of one of the victims, never drawn, never fired, and they split up to hide behind separate A/C units.
How threatened can you feel if you keep walking toward these two men and you’re armed with a long-barrel .38 and they’re running away terrified? The solicitor did admit that the law he had to follow was overly broad, perhaps even more so than Florida’s. He was indeed within his rights not to charge under Section 16-11-440 that allows deadly force even if somebody is in the process of unlawfully or forcefully entering a dwelling or residence. Clearly you need not even be inside the residence. Defending your home from the inside can make perfect sense if an intruder invades your space, but you can, as is abundantly clear in this case, kill even if you’re outside your premises – under no threat. And what is really interesting is that the wording through and through is “Deadly Force”.
My visit with the sheriff, a possible eyewitness and some personal background on these latest victims of ALEC and the NRA is next.
Note: This is the third in a series of features on the deaths of two young men shot in cold blood when caught attempting to break into an apartment.
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Reynardine
May. 1st, 2012 at 8:48 pm
I am white, and so are all my neighbors. One of them initiated against me a campaign of poisoning my vegetable plants, killing my cats, attempting to move survey stones, threatening me with beatings several times and murder once, and…two arson attempts, one of which fired my shed, and the other, which I interrupted, on my house. Under the circumstances, I think if I saw them entering my house, I’d justly be in fear of more than a simple theft.
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A Walkaway
May. 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 am
That sounds a hell of a lot like what the “Good Christians” have put us through. Was that person one of those “Good Christians” like my wife and I (and quite a few walkaways) encountered so many of?
With so many of them around here, I sometimes feel like I’m in the middle of a siege.
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Reynardine
May. 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 am
No, these were plain sociopaths. When the husband died, it stopped. The Wesson oil-and-brick treatment came from another source, and I attribute a mess of syntheshit (a disgusting-looking mix of cereal bran and watter) that I found where the driveway hit the road to the same source.
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Reynardine
May. 2nd, 2012 at 8:56 am
Water. I need hot water infused with caffeine.
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Randi Hanson
May. 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 am
Since when have we become judge and jury? Since when has death become the just penalty for theft?
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Reynardine
May. 2nd, 2012 at 8:53 am
Randi, you cannot know that theft of goods is all people who are entering your house intend, nor that, even if they intend only that, it will end that way. As far as I know, no jurisdiction allows the killing of people who are fleeing away with nothing more than your property, but as long as they remain within your premises, so does the threat of death or great bodily harm. Sensibly, of course, if no other human being is on your premises when you see them entering *from the outside*, you retreat and call the police…but if you have good reason to fear arson, that may change (arson carries an inherent risk of death, and may not confine its effects to the premise torched)
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Shiva (Moderator)
May. 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 am
I agree if they are oputside your home and not makign efforts as yet to break in, calling the pigs is the first choice. Just shooting on sight wastes bullets and could possibly affect your mental well being down the road
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A Walkaway
May. 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 am
I pretty much agree.
If they’re just on your property, you can ask them what they’re doing (calling the pigs is iffy and could lead to being harassed and treated like a troublemaker – based upon past experiences) and tell them to leave if you have any discomfort with their answers. If they’re stealing, you can demand that they stop and drop whatever they’re taking (again, calling the pigs is usually a mistake, especially as they probably will take five or ten minutes OR LONGER to get there). Usually in the case of thieves the threat of extreme violence may be necessary to stop them (i.e., getting shot if they don’t comply), but just shooting someone on your property because they’re there could result in a horrible mistake.
(Maybe they’ve lost a kitty or dog and had seen it on your property? Maybe they work for the electric or phone company? Find out first – just being on your property isn’t a reasonable cause for shooting someone!)
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Reynardine
May. 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
Note I said *if you see them entering*. Of course, if they are simply outside your door and not attempting to enter, you ask them (from a prudent distance) what they want.
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Corin
May. 2nd, 2012 at 7:29 am
I am hardly the first person you would look to for any defense of ‘stand your ground’ laws. However, you are fighting a losing battle if you expect me to have any sympathy for the two men killed in the commission of a crime. They were attempting to break into his home. They were armed. They were still on his property. He had every right in the world to do as he did.
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A Walkaway
May. 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 am
IMO, if they’re thieves, they deserve whatever they get and I’m not going to waste a minute of time feeling sorry for them. Most thieves steal not out of necessity but out of selfishness and greed (including those who “gotta get a fix”) and therefore don’t deserve compassion. I also get disgusted when people start talking “insurance”.
People do tend to forget that not everyone can afford insurance – in this state, home insurance is hard to get, costly, and in the case of mobile homes – only the lender (if it’s been purchased) gets reimbursed for the remaining value of the loan. You have a used mobile home, forget insurance – period. The pigs are no good – they’ll only tell you “That’s what insurance is for!” and refuse to investigate (if they don’t get nasty and insulting) – been there, done that, have the t-shirt.
People also forget that stealing is stealing life… people worked hard for the nice things they have. Let’s say you have a nice TV, that you saved and scrimped for. Let’s say that it cost you a week’s pay. If you’re like most, you don’t have insurance to cover it. If it gets stolen, there goes a weeks’ worth of life.
No, I’m not going to waste any time feeling sorry for or bad for those thieves. They got what they deserved IMO.
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KatzKids
May. 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 am
A few months ago, two men came up to the door of the Condo next to mine and tried to get in. They were manhandling the door & trying every trick they could to enter. I called 911 and reported the incident. By the time the officers arrived (quickly) the men had moved on & the officers found them. There was no one home at the time, but if the owner had been home, under the SYG laws, he could have blasted away and killed them both.
It turned out that the guys were renting a condo in the next building, were construction workers renting temporarily for their job and had mistaken the Condo for theirs in the dark. They were also more than a “bit” tipsy. They felt terrible about the mistake when the police talked to them & asked the cops to apologize to me for alarming me. They were two perfectly nice young men who came to my door the next day & apologized again. I wasn’t alarmed for myself, just concerned for my neighbors property. Under SYG, I would have been able to blast them away too (if I was a chicken hearted coward).
Thank heavens I live in a Democratic State where we have great gun laws and people don’t see danger around every corner. Their lives would conceivably been lost in any red state with these laws. Shoot first, ask questions later.
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A Walkaway
May. 3rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Ask or speak first, shoot only if necessary. That’s common sense.
Most of the people in SYG states use common sense (I’d say almost all – there are bigots and nutcases like Zimmerman, after all – and Zimmerman was violating the terms of SYG). I’m not a gun-happy crazed nut or even close, but the reality in this state is that life is dangerous and hard, and there are a lot of bad people “out there” – INCLUDING THE PIGS. If you give them even an inch, they’ll take away your freedom and for the slightest provocation (like acting in self-defense). SYG is a protection in case you have to use lethal force to defend yourself, your family, or your property.
Don’t make the mistake of believing the bullshit propaganda about the “police” existing to protect people… it’s long been demonstrated that they exist in this country to protect the elites and keep them in power, and to repress anyone who tries to stand up for themselves. Law enforcement is a secondary purpose, and believe me, differentially enforced based on skin color, ethnicity, and wealth. Law enforcement should be called “Status Quo enforcement” as that is what they do and reinforce.
We NEED laws like SYG to limit their power and keep them under a modicum of control. In some sort of dream world, yeah, gun control wouldn’t be an issue. In the real world, however, it only strips the poor and law-abiding of their ability to defend themselves. In the real world, people often NEED to be able to defend themselves, and sometimes lethal force is necessary.
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