The story started out uplifting, if troubling, with news that Max Sidorov, a Toronto man, had started a fundraising campaign for Karen Klein, the Greece, NY bus monitor so terribly bullied by 7th grade students. The video of the bullying went viral and so far, they’ve raised over $500,000 for the bus monitor.
All of that was uplifting news. But now for the creep factor. While the woman who was bullied is sending an important message of forgiveness, the mobs coming after the kids are not. Police say that over 1,000 threats have been sent to the cell phone of one of the boys who bullied the bus monitor.
We have a cellphone of one of the boys, and he’s received more than 1,000 missed calls and more than 1,000 text messages threatening him,” Capt. Steve Chatteron said. “Threats to overcome threats do no good.”
Klein, who asked police not to charge the boys, issued a plea for the madness to end.
“I feel kinda bad for them and their families because of what’s going on,” she said. “They’re being harassed terribly, and I don’t like that. I don’t want any harm to come to them.”
What they did was awful. It was so awful that I couldn’t sit through the entire video. The part where they taunted her, saying that she was so “ugly” and “fat” that her family would want to commit suicide when, according to her, her son did commit suicide ten years ago was just beyond my ability to absorb, even though the kids did not know that at the time.
When we see bulling, we want to bully back to show the bully what it feels like. We want to shut it down. We instinctively want to protect the person being bullied.
That is, if we are impartial bystanders. But let’s not forget that this goes on every day in our culture, and it’s hardly just kids. When we have party leaders putting crosshairs on their opponents, when we allow gay students to be bullied and justify it as teaching them about their “sin”, we have a Presidential candidate who held a student down to cut his hair and can only manage a weak “I’m sorry if anyone was hurt” apology, we are effectively giving the go-ahead to children to act this way based on our own tolerance for it in the allegedly adult arena.
When people have skin in the game, suddenly bullying is okay. Bullying is just “tough politics” or “if you can’t hack it, get out”. Failure to take care of yourself in the face of bullies is deemed weakness on the part of the victim.
Interesting that on Fox News’ Fox and Friends (home of right wing authoritarianism, strict father models that tend to breed bullies due to using shame and contempt to control children and other “lessors”), we got this, “You just sat there and took it. If it had been me, I’d have spanked them. Why?”
Ms. Klein responded, “I don’t like confrontation like that. I didn’t want to do anything to hurt anybody. That wouldn’t have looked good either… I just restrained myself and tried to pretend they weren’t doing this.” (sort of like Jesus taught us)
Steve Doocy of Fox and Friends called the kids “monsters” and added, “If they’re this rotten at this age, just wait until they become grownups.”
These are the same people who call Romney’s high school bullying a “prank.” What if one of these kids were running for President 40 years from now? Do you think it would be relevant?
It’s wonderful that people are so touched by this story, but it’s sad that in the face of the broader message, too many respond by bullying the guilty in return. If they were adults, that would be one thing; but they are children.
Taking on bullies is a dangerous dance. You can become too much a bully in response, especially when your emotions are engaged. It’s easy to do, and in politics it’s somewhat acceptable these days. It’s even necessary to survive at times, if say someone is targeting you and won’t leave you alone.
But when we respond to bullying by threatening the bullies with bodily harm, we are no better than they are. We are not teaching them the lesson they need to learn. The lesson should be one of empathy and to treat others as you wish to be treated. At worst the lesson is that if you target someone, expect to be outed and publicly accountable for your behavior. The goal should be to develop our internal ethics that allow us to stand up to both our tormenters and our 7th grade posse. That kind of self-esteem doesn’t come from shame; it comes from positive nurturing and role modeling.
The victim in this incident gets it. She knows that more bullying is not the answer. Violence of heart begets more violence; it helps no one. Appropriate punishment along with restitution and public apologies are the way to go. The adults among us need to model the proper behavior.
What these kids did was abhorrent, but where did they get the idea that it was okay? Our culture certainly rewards the bullies and sociopaths. We justify criminal behavior or just plain greed as winners getting theirs. We glorify reality TV stars that treat others like garbage. We relish in the bully and then pretend shock when we see the result in the next generation.
In our heart of hearts, most humans identify with the victim when we have no skin in the game. We don’t like seeing another person treated so poorly. But the mob mentality of threatening the bad guys, especially when they are kids, is a dangerous game. They may have behaved like monsters, but they are not monsters. It’s an important distinction.
Standing up for ourselves or for what’s right is not the same thing as going after someone else to the degree where we are threatening him or her physically. This is precisely the kind of thinking that led to the misuse and abuse of the already egregiously poorly written Stand Your Ground laws.
A profound rethinking of our culture is in order, but since that isn’t likely to occur any time soon, the least we can do is try not to create more of them by ganging up via mob on the bullies to show them just how wrong it is for them to gang up via mob on a victim.
Karen Klein’s response offered the nation a teachable moment. She doesn’t want these kids hurt. She wants them to learn a lesson and to be used as an example for others, but she doesn’t want to vilify them.





Paws
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Two wrongs don’t make a right. The bullying this woman endured was despicable, but that doesn’t mean the bullies should be bullied in retaliation. Bullying to various degrees, seems to be such a part of our society now and I don’t know why that is. Regardless, this woman’s response and behavior in the aftermath of the bullying she received, should be an example to all of us when we are confronted with bullying ourselves, or when we see stories like this in the future.
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Reynardine
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
There is little more that can be said. Since the Reagan administration, but still more since Bush II, we have had a culture of success-worshiping, poor-hating, and weak-beating that it is painful to compare what we were culturally forty and fifty years ago to what we are now. As a nation, we learned to live for success; we forgot how to succeed in living.
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desertflower
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 4:16 pm
A must read from Charles Blow on this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/23/opinion/blow-bullies-on-the-bus.html?_r=2&ref=opinion
Pass it around. America needs to look herself square in the mirror and decide if she likes what she has become.
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motorfingaz
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Whats ironic is that the bullies over and Fox and Frauds have the nerve to interview and its posted here!!!
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Jared Drury
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
If I was that lady on the bus I would have told the bus driver what was going on. If that had happened back when I rode the bus as a child, the driver would have made the kids walk. Then the next day at school or that day if it was morning they would receive their punishment. simple.
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majii
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Steve Doocy is one ignorant man. He knows nothing about kids and schools. Plus, he has a big nerve suggesting that Ms. Klein spank other people’s kids. As much bullying as Fox news readers do, an interview on the network should have been the last thing on Mrs. Klein’s mind. Doocy is a prime example of the fact that some people should never think of working in the field of education. I can’t count the number of times in 33 years that I had to rein myself in and not say what was exactly on my mind. Yes, sometimes I felt like smacking the s*!t out of a smart mouth teenager, but I didn’t because I realized they were only kids, and that I could get a better result by speaking with them after class about their behavior or by calling their parents. Mrs. Klein did the right thing by not retaliating against the bullies. A kindergarten teacher in San Antonio, TX, lost her job recently because she allegedly instructed her students to form a line and hit the class bully. Another teacher at the school has been suspended because she suggested the tactic as a way to deal with little bullies. If it had been my kid disrespecting Mrs. Klein, she wouldn’t have gone anywhere for a very long time, and she would have been without a TV, cell phone, video game system, stereo, etc, until I told her she could have access to them again. My daughter’s 31 now, and I never had this kind of trouble out of her. I taught her to respect others, and a major rule in our house was mind your own business. I explained to her that if she minded her own business, she wouldn’t have the time to interfere in the business of others. When she was growing up, I also emphasized the importance of not following others when she knew they were doing wrong. I know the parents of the kids thought they had reared them in a manner that wouldn’t have led to the bullying incident on the bus, but if there’s one thing I’ve learned from rearing my daughter it’s that a parent can’t do a haphazard job of emphasizing the importance of certain things to their kids. It has to be an ongoing process.
http://theweek.com/article/index/229391/the-texas-teacher-who-made-kindergartners-beat-up-a-bully
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MarkB
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm
I’m not generally one of the people that say “Don’t sink to their level” when dealing with miscreants; one thing I’ve learned is that you can’t reason with barbarians. (At least, not until you get their attention with the bigger club.)
I admire the lady’s adhering to her principles, and not getting ‘down and dirty’ in dealing with this. I can’t say I would have been as gracious.
Kids who show this type of behavior generally have parents who aren’t plugged in to their lives. Parenting is more than providing — you can have a hundred ‘teaching moments’ a DAY if you are truly involved with your kids! (I know — between adopted, step-, and my own, I’ve had a hand in raising 8!) Too many kids have too much autonomy these days, as well as too many perks — there’s not a less-than-teen child OUT THERE who NEEDS a cell phone and/or iPod!
Call for civility? I’m all FOR it — once you get the barbarians’ attention.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
I have given this some thought and I agree that the actions of these kids are reprehensible. But they are 13-year-old kids and it doesn’t surprise me one bit that a few of them did this. 13-year-olds, especially 13-year-old girls probably next to Tyrannosaurus rex can be the nastiest things on this earth. yes I know, everyone’s going to be mad at me for saying girls especially, but it’s true.
These kids do not deserve the threats that they are getting. I wish their parents would make them stand up in front of an auditorium full of their peers and make them apologize simply for the humiliation of it all, but they do not under any circumstances deserve death threats.
0 By the Way, I put Steve Doocy in the class right along with 13-year-old girls. He is a complete moron
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C.L.
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Why does your comment about 13 yo girls remind me of the recent banning of two female legislators in Michigan for their purported “temper tantrum?” Oh, yeah….because girls and women are held to a different standard of behavior than boys and men. What’s acceptable in the male gender is often viciously deplored in the female gender.
If you must persist in your mythology about gender-related behavior, at least get your fauna comparison gender-appropriate: Tyrannosaurus Regina, not Tyrannosaurus Rex.
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Reynardine
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
No, there is some biological bedrock in this, as girls hit puberty one or two years earlier, and so go into the nasty phase between eleven and thirteen, while boys hit it between thirteen and fifteen. That pubescent threshhold produces a good deal of unconverted precursor sex hormone from the adrenals, and the effect on behavior is a deal more aggressive and dirty-minded than you get with actual testosterone or estrogen. All of this means teaching kids in this age range is no damn picnic.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
I thought there would be someone who didnt get it.
It’s always possible you have never been around 13-year-old girls were much.
Also, if you don’t know why my comment reminds you of two female legislators in Michigan why would you asked me? I think the people who know me here would understand what I am saying
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Sugapea
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 5:32 pm
This disrespect for our Seniors is happening now everywhere.
Twenty years ago in Japan…their elders were considered ‘A National Treasure’. Not anymore, now they’re a burden on Japan’s society…living far longer than elders did in the past.
Republicans like Paul Ryan are on the threshold of saying that our ‘Seniors’ are a burden to our American economy.
I can see the hatred growing.
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lisa stewart
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Retaliate against these little pigs and their parents. The only thing’s those types of cowards understand is if they will be held accountable. Financially or Physically if need be. Put them and their ass clown parents in lock down in a hole somewhere. Take their dough because it was more important to greedily gather $. And not teach or lead or nurture human beings ever. They are permanent lost causes. No one is at home where brains may have once existed. This is especially true of people south of the border. Who have smuggled in here illegally. It becomes a complete waste of time.
Kudos to the emo response people! If it was important enough to release it on the internet/ news networks to us. Then it is important enough for the audiences to personally deal with these people when necessary. There is right and there is wrong.
Otherwise, take the story off tv and the internet. We are not just helpless and hopeless confused news anchor morons like yourselves. This is America for God’s sake! The school system so obviously is a permanent failure. It doesn’t work and the police are a joke in greesey ny. Not one more penny of tax dollars to the 4 little greecey ny pig children or their parents! Find someone besides illegal aliens to protect and serve and “edumacate.”
And it becomes the duty of the majority of the outraged to right the wrong. Because no one else is going to do jak crap. Everybody want’s it to be some nice sweet answer. That left along time ago! Society has left GOD taken him out of the schools no prayer no l0 commandments if you please. Please no “golden rules” either that might offend some ass clown.
Even Karen said their fake apologies where just that. Kick their asses! Find out if they are legally here and when they got here. I don’t believe the l000 call cellphone lie. It’s pig parent disinformation so NONE of these people have to face any accountability whatsoever and they can continue as pig children until they reach pig adulthood where responsibility and accountability and any ethics go to hell in the pursuit of cash cash cash baby. And Next the pig parents will be cashing in on Dr. Phil or Drew!
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Terri Springer
Jun. 24th, 2012 at 11:21 am
You got it!
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lisa stewart
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 9:55 pm
I believe these kids need to take the year over for this behavior’ not only did they say these things to her but they also assaulted her’ which last time i checked was a crime! they did this multiple times and they only said sorry because they got caught and didn’t even do it directly’ don’t even tell me they are only 12 and didn’t understand what they were saying and doing to this women! If that’s true they need to go to special school because no teacher in their right mind should let these kids go to high school next year! If these kids think they have gotten away with something they surely have not’ and should move to another country or island in there case’ and should never see the light of day again’ staying in their houses like the little morons they are! everyone hates them and i hope they get their ass kicked over and over again and are not accepted anywhere they go!
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lisa stewart
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
We live in America! we have the right to express our minds! there is a difference between justice plus accountability and bullying because someone has been bullied! If they are not punished they it goes left unjust!We are passionate in this country to have justice done! So if I want to speak my mind I have a right to do that! I agree strongly with Karen however I can not say this nicely or have compassion what so ever! since this only would make it OK for them to do this to others! Which should not be the case! stop with the “oh their kids speech they are completely responsible for what they have done’
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lisa stewart
Jun. 23rd, 2012 at 10:06 pm
We live in America! we have the right to express our minds! there is a difference between justice plus accountability and bullying because someone has been bullied! If they are not punished they it goes left unjust!We are passionate in this country to have justice done! So if I want to speak my mind I have a right to do that! I agree strongly with Karen however I can not say this nicely or have compassion what so ever! since this only would make it OK for them to do this to others! Which should not be the case! stop with the “oh their kids speech they are completely responsible for what they have done’ I don’t want them to physically be hurt I want them to learn a lesson and take responsibly’ and be adults!
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