Post Ryan soul mate Todd Akin’s “legitimate rape” comment that exposed the Republican Party’s true agenda and anti-women policies of the last several years, the Obama campaign has a new ad out in which women who used to be Republicans explain why they are not voting Republican in this election. They say, “This is personal now.”
Women explain why they can no longer support the Republican Party:
The women tell us:
“I don’t even want to think about them having control, as a woman I don’t.”
“If you truly believe in a small government. That government shouldn’t be deciding what I can and cannot do with my own body.”
“There is no way on God’s green earth that I would consider voting Republican.”
“If you’re a conservative woman, and you believe in small government, then Barack Obama is your candidate because he’s keeping the government out of the decisions that should remain between you and God, and you and your own conscience.”
The Republican Party’s abortion platform is so anti women that it makes no exception, even in cases of rape, incest or life of the mother. Republican Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan said when asked if it should it be legal for a woman to be able to get an abortion if she’s been raped, “the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life.”
The Republican Party has doubled down on their radical personhood agenda, which is the only way they can justify the cruel, draconian policies that they’ve been pushing for years now. Todd Akin only exposed the issue to the public, who may have missed the mountain of Republican legislation criminalizing contraception, in vitro fertilization, abortion under all circumstances and in some cases miscarriages.
The Republican Party’s policy empowers rapists to choose the mother of their children by physically overtaking her and raping her, forcing her into being in his life for the life of the child. Rapists have legal rights to the children conceived via rape.
Freedom under the Republican party looks like forcing women to give birth after being raped, and even when a young girl has been molested by a family member.
Regardless of the flawed reasoning for their personhood policy, criminalizing abortion does nothing to reduce abortions. All it does is drive women to unsafe, illegal options that can be deadly. It’s only logical to wonder what their true agenda is, since the path they are taking does nothing to reduce abortion, but does endanger women’s lives.
If the Republican Party were truly pro-life, they would support women who chose to have a child by addressing the real life obstacles women face, such as poverty, no child care, no healthcare, etc. They would incentivize childbirth instead of punishing women for having the ability to get pregnant.
But Republicans have been cutting funding that helps actual children, while criminalizing abortion and even some forms of contraception. Now they are on record as thinking women should be forced by the Republican Party to give birth even if they’ve been raped.
This issue highlights the utter lack of morality of the modern day Republican Party. They are anti women and children, and that is hardly pro-family or pro-life.
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Reynardine
Aug. 24th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Mann Coulter has been out ripping *other* single women up and down for not being married and using the Democratiic Party as a surrogate husband and provider for their children. I’ve been accused of gender-policing Mann there. No. She could have to shave her face twice a day and I wouldn’t give a damn. It’s the thought of this goose-honking he-woman telling *other* women that they don’t conform to *her* “feminine” ideal that drives me up a wall. I don’t care what she’s got in her crotch, but for her sheer hypocrisy, I’d sure like to kick whatever it is.
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Reynardine
Aug. 24th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Goose-honking, never-married, childless career-chasing he-woman telling all other women to be June Cleaver, in fact.
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majii
Aug. 24th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Coulter isn’t married, either, so she has no standing to advise democratic women about anything. I view her as a woman who seems to hate having been born female. Most of what she says is intended to find favor in the “All Boys Club” section of the GOP, but no matter how much of their dirty work she does, she’ll never be an insider. When Cheney, Romney, Rove, and the other GOP male power brokers get together with the Koch Bros and the other big money GOP backers, Coulter’s name is never mentioned as being on the guest list.
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DAIZY
Aug. 26th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
THIS IS SO TRUE!!
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MsJoanne
Aug. 24th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Coulter is no different than Phyllis Schlafly. Making tons of money telling other women what they shouldn’t do. It’s ok for me but not for thee.
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SinghX
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 7:34 am
You beat me to it…and Reyn’s rant is spot on.
I do not allow her name to be uttered in my home; the creature is referred to as “AC/DC”.
Like Any Rand (another creature) she’s just mediocre groupie who thinks everyone listens to her.
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Megan
Aug. 27th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
This comment is so awesome, I almost want it on a t-shirt!
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Victoria Lamb, MSHA
Aug. 28th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
That’s Phyllis Schafly’s mantra, as well. She is speaking at the GOP convention.
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mikeyhatesit
Aug. 24th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
i know several women who switched parties because of palin. how many more votes can the GOP lose before they disappear altogether?
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Chey Peters
Aug. 24th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
My Vagina, My Vote- “GOP, you don’t get either one!”
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Kat
Aug. 26th, 2012 at 4:24 am
My Vagina, My Vote! Louder – MY VAGINA, MY VOTE.
SAY IT AGAIN – MY VAGINA,MY VOTE!!
Vaginas and Electricity might be a mystery to these guys but not to me!
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TigerLily
Aug. 24th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Thank you God for opening their eyes. I have been praying every day that God give them the power to see, hear, and the power of WISDOM. Don’t be giving such blind allegiance to these men. PLEASE HELP THEM SEE THE DEMONIC GOP WHO IS COMING TO GET THEIR VAGINAS AND THOSE OF THEIR DAUGHTERS, MOTHERS, SISTERS, FRIENDS, GRANDMAS. ALL of us females. Why do they hate women so much? How the heck do they treat THEIR WIVES, DAUGHTERS, MOTHERS???????? One can only wonder how many of THEIR female children have witnessed some pretty dam awful things with the GOP preaching manpower only! And they’re constituents can’t say nothing!
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Rosemary Breslin
Aug. 24th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
The GOP will just say these are paid actors and NOT actual Republican women. Having been a Republican myself as recently as the Clinton administration, didn’t vote for his 1st term; DID (even though Republican) for his 2nd. Changed party in 2000 when George W. was nominated, cause I saw the writing on the wall with Karl Rove (and he dirty smear campaign against Ann Richards) as his campaign manager. The fact that all the top Republicans wanted Todd Akin to step down (he SHOULD) while the GOP decided the RNC and Convention’s platform will hold to the anti-choice edict that abortion prohibitions would NOT exempt victims of rape and incest is INTOLERABLE! Bravo to these Republican women who refuse to sell-out their sex! We Democratic women welcome you with open minds and open arms!
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Deborah Foster
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Yes, when I posted this article to Twitter, a right winger sent me a link with the claim that one of the women in the commercial is actually a Democrat. If that’s true, these idiots will focus on that one woman and tune out the rest of them. That’s their way, to refuse to listen to women of their own party if they can find any excuse not to.
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majii
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
I believe the reason they say these women are actors is because that is what some republican politicians use in their ads. They also use stock photos on their web sites. I tend to believe the women are real people because usually, when dems run ads, they try to include real people to make their points. When I saw an ad of former democrats claiming that they voted for the president in 2008 but don’t plan to vote for him this year, I didn’t suspect that they were actors. It’s amazing how when some people see ads that they don’t agree with, they do everything they can to discredit the ads or the people in the ads.
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MaryO
Aug. 24th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
I absolutely agree with this post–but could we lighten up on the gender-bending-bashing?
My partner is a M2F transwoman, and she is the lead reporter on one of the most liberal radio stations in the country.
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robyn ryan
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Much happiness to you both. What bashing?
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bint alshamsa
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
I’m glad to see that someone beat me to it. The “Mann Coulter” stuff is completely inappropriate and anti-woman. I am a cisgender woman who stands with her trans* sisters in opposing cissexism. It shouldn’t be tolerated ANYWHERE.
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dusty
Aug. 24th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
i would like to see some data on this demographic… are they true good ol girls from the hardcore rightwing south, or are they fringe types who live in austin, per se…. i hope somehow real facts are seeping into that bubble… the hardcore right will not even listen to other ideas, in most cases…. when you have 7 birthers coming on national tv next week, we’ll see how this plays…..
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Jane
Aug. 24th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Maybe I’m just being cynical, but I suspect that the GOP asking Akin to withdraw had very little to do with how offensive his comments were. In truth, they just wanted him out before the deadline so they could pick a better candidate to replace him. This is the same reason that Claire McCaskill wants him to stay in the race – and why she ran negative ads targeting his opponents during the primary while going easy on him. He’s simply the weakest candidate and the one she has the best chance of beating.
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Sara
Aug. 24th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
If the United States can’t get women’s issues correct, what hope has the rest of the world? It’s women’s rights we need to pass on to our daughters and granddaughters, not the tale of how liberty used to be.
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Robert
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 3:40 am
Sara
The point is: the US is a few decades behind many parts of the world on all the crucial issues. I don’t mean to say that Europe, Australasia, etc, are feminist Nirvanas – we aren’t – but the US has been going backwards on these issues for a generation. It’s not that: if we can’t, who can?; its: if they can, why can’t we?
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robyn ryan
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
India has had female leaders. The US, not so much. Americans need to get out more and see how backwards we really are.
Other countries are either ignoring us, afraid of us, or wish we would take our guns and go home.
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bint alshamsa
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
So has Pakistan, Haiti, Liberia, Sri Lanka, Kyrgyzstan, Indonesia, Guinea, China and many of the countries that folks in the USA sneer at and condescend to. We are far behind the majority of the world, with regards to women’s rights.
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A Walkaway
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Women’s rights, public transportation, treatment of the poor (and especially homelessness), protection of antiquities/archaeological sites/artifacts, I could go on and on regarding topics where other countries are well ahead of this one.
America is also well behind much of the world when it comes to actual equal rights for everyone (minorities of all types).
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Tkaz99
Aug. 24th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
This is heartening to hear that Republican women are finally stepping out of the shadows to support President Obama! Now, how long before the few sane Republican men step up and denounce the GOP/TP radical agenda as well?
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sugapea
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 2:13 am
Absolutely, Sarah! The GOP have broadcast only Negativity/Hatred toward our President and America.
And it’s all backfiring! Pubs just don’t realize….
“Hatred is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured”.
Look at all the negativity coming down on the GOP now.
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A Walkaway
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Funny thing about that quote… the dominionists like that one too. They rant that at people who’ve been hurt by them and are trying to pull back from the church… accuse people of “hating God” and then ordering them to forgive. Then when the person does “let go of your anger”, they stab them in the heart again.
I believe there are different types of hate… the unreasonable stupid hatred for the Other, such as the Republicans and “Good Christians” like to spew, compared to the natural (and protective) emotional and mental reaction to abuse.
Hate isn’t always destructive – sometimes the caustic nature protects one from evil (such as from the “Good Christians”) and helps to preserve one’s sanity (especially when they are faced with the “Good Christian” blame game).
It’s what you do with it that can be destructive.
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SinghX
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 7:45 am
I think women have had just about enough, regardless of party affiliation. We shouldn’t even be having this argument in this time and space.
Religion and politics, like rape, are all about one thing; control. I would like to see the real data the republicans and the hard-core fundamentalist have on how long they’ve been loosing female from their “control”; both have been showing sheer desperation since the so-called sexual revolution and birth control came on the scene. Both are in a deep tail-spin and are grasping at anything power they can muster in order not to die off.
Why not use their last card–rape? It’s the ultimate threat to any human regardless of gender or age.
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Scribe
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 9:42 am
As dispicable, and regressive, as the republican’s attitude is toward the progress of women, and women issues; it’s not their ONLY ‘back to the future’ mentality! As a group, the GOP, indeed wants to go back to Jim Crow Rule.
The problem now, as before, is the Priviliaged Few, are not worthy of their desired Utopia! It is the ‘Plantation Master’ mind set. They want to own everybody and everything, they come in contact with! Their fake GOD has annointed them to rule over all else.
I advise all concerned citizens, to repudiate not only the GOP; but the right wing mind-set as well; alas, that Fascist view that fuels their DRACONIAN world view! History teaches us, that view is steeped in CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY…the FINAL SOLUTION?
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A Walkaway
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 11:32 am
My first reaction to the advertisement and the women was “You should have been listening all along… the evidence of the reality of the Republicans has been there since long before Reagan!”
However, I didn’t learn that myself until life itself smashed me in the face. It’s easy to ignore facts sometimes, especially when they fly in the face of your prejudices.
This may bode well for us, but I also think the Republicans are aware that they’re loosing the women’s vote and may try to get it back by fanning Republican biases and bigotries… like against minorities, the poor, etc..
I just hope the Republican women who have started to wake up realize that they’ve been lied to about other issues – like the reality about poverty and minorities – as well.
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bint alshamsa
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I was raised as a conservative. I was proud to be one even up until about the middle of George Bush’s first term. That’s when I’d had enough. I slowly began to see the world differently. I couldn’t bear to keep calling myself a conservative, when the term had been so completely co-opted. As my spiritual relationship deepened, so did my ability to have compassion and empathize with others.
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majii
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
I think the reason some people have left the GOP from the republican conservatives is because they finally realize the difference between real conservatives (themselves) and the fake ones. I’ve said it numerous times–many who call themselves conservatives today don’t know what the word conservative means from a political POV. This shows that many of them are unaware of their own country’s history. Many of our laws on women’s rights and the environment were signed into law by conservative politicians, but for some reason, this seems to no longer matter to the conservatives in today’s GOP.
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Thomas Bishop
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 11:54 am
The national battle that started last Sunday over Todd Akin’s comments about “legitimate rape” has also shed light on a “personhood” bill, co-sponsored by Akin and Paul Ryan, called the Sanctity of Life Act.
The legal implications of the bill Ryan and Akin co-sponsored? The bill affirms that from the moment of fertilization onward, “every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood.” It then says that Congress and the states have the “authority” to protect all human beings — again, defined as human life from fertilization onward — residing in their jurisdictions.What it says is that a single cell can achieve all the protections the Constitution of the United States bestows on persons
Akin and Ryan both co-sponsored another measure that would distinguish “forcible rape” in banning abortion funding.
Akin’s comments point to the GOP’s broader record on women’s health. They underscore the reason why Republican women are bolting the party this year, and why “we shouldn’t have a bunch of politicians, a majority of whom are men, making health care decisions on behalf of women.”
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A Walkaway
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
A thought just hit me… this may be what we needed for President Obama to win. However, if we also don’t win in the House and Senate, it’s going to be more of the same.
The voting (and bill-proposing) records of the Republican Representatives and Senators should also be made public… every time they propose a bill that limits the freedom of women, the poor, minorities, etc. should be made evident to every Republican who falls into one of those categories, along with the consequences of those bills and votes.
I’d also suggest that if a person isn’t rich, they will eventually end up in one of the despised categories… if they aren’t there already.
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Gray
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
It’s one thing to disagree with your opponent, but it is quite telling when you have to lie about them constantly to make people dislike them.
If someone is truly bad, why must you lie about them? Well, the answer is, you wouldn’t need to.
President Barack Obama has shown patience and maturity, wisdom and grace throughout his Presidency, and I might add, through treatment that was certainly not any of those things.
I am proud of you Republican women for seeing the truth, and opening your eyes to the lies.
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Inez
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Well,I gues there are some women in the Republican party who refuse to be dishonored.
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John Taylor
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
In issues of science, someone’s opinion does not count, EVIDENCE counts.
The “right to life” camp claims an “eternal soul” enters at conception. We evolved. Souls cannot evolve. They are Religion.
The question of when a fetus becomes a person is much more difficult with no firm “marker” showing when human consciousness is achieved. However, prior to the development of higher levels of organization in the fetal brain we can clearly rule out human consciousness. Obviously abortions under 3 months should be routine and unquestionable.
Also questioned is when the fetus stops being part of the mother. Here we have a very clear “marker” that of birth. The wrinkle is that premature birthing produces live children, so we might better revise the legal point of life to any capable of surviving outside the mother. This would make most abortions after 6 months premature births.
Do scientific and reasonable answers satisfy the ultra right wing?
No, of course not.
Anyone who truly did wish to protect the newborn would make prenatal care and necessary resources available to pregnant women, and birth control to reduce unwanted pregnancies. This never happens in a Republican platform.
Why?
Because Republican efforts to reduce abortion have nothing whatsoever to do with protecting life, and everything to do with disenfranchising the mother to demote women. They remove women’s health services, trivialize rape, and remove after birth assistance.
The focus is on disadvantaging women.
For thousands of years we see example after example of societies disadvantaging women, devaluing children and reducing educational opportunities.
In every case the result is an impoverished population with an ultra rich elite.
Don’t be fooled into thinking Republicans are pro life. They are pro ultra rich elite.
If you want to help children vote Democrat who will work to make abortion early, safe and as much as possible (by making access to birth control easier), unnecessary.
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Michael Welker
Aug. 27th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Beautifully said Mr. Taylor.
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Rixar13
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
“There is no way on God’s green earth that I would consider voting Republican.”
Thumbs up ^…
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Doris
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
The Rethuglicans are he//bent on controlling a female’s vagina and they will find out,this is not the American way & sometimes I have to pinch myself after wondering if I am in America because the TGOP is trying to run this country as a third world
and we have gone too far to turn around. Please vote everyone because under rethuglican rule,we would be doomed… Obama~Biden 2012′
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Kohaku
Aug. 27th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
I just had to point out that, generally speaking, “female’s vagina” is a redundancy. >_<
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TheLastBrainLeft
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
The women in these ads are Democrats: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/25/two-in-republican-women-for-obama-ad-exposed-as-democrats/
I can’t sit idly by and watch people delude themselves when I can help. You’re welcome.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 25th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Did you not mean to say TWO of the women in that ad are thought to be democrats?
You’re welcome
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Sam
Aug. 26th, 2012 at 12:24 am
Did you really just link to an article from The Daily Caller? Can you find a LESS credible propaganda outlet?
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DAIZY
Aug. 26th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
FIXED NEWS!
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65snake
Aug. 26th, 2012 at 2:33 am
Well, that didn’t take long, exactly as predicted.
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Victoria Lamb, MSHA
Aug. 28th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
The Daily Caller is not a credible source.
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Jan Smith
Aug. 26th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Thank you, Republican women for speaking out.
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longtime reader
Aug. 26th, 2012 at 10:38 am
I have voted Republican in the past.
I won’t be doing so again.
President Obama, you have my vote.
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mary mclean
Aug. 26th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
My daughter got her period at 9 because she has PSOS. If she were raped then, having a baby may have killed her. Statistics say she is not alone in menstruating so young. We must protect our daughters’ rights. Both of us are on birth control because of PSOS and I am 51. No one is taking our rights away to medically necessary medication—I’ve had 5 ovarian cysts and they are worse than giving birth!
Women’s reproductive issues are men’s issues, too—we don’t get pregnant by ourselves. Young men who are sexually active should also wake up and take up the cause against Republicans. For too long we have taken all the contraceptive responsibility. Let’s have two-week sex boycott right before the election to show them what may happen if we do not have access to contraception.
And if Ryan doesn’t believe in birth control, why doesn’t he have 10 kids by now?
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Kohaku
Aug. 27th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
“And if Ryan doesn’t believe in birth control, why doesn’t he have 10 kids by now?”
Well… I have a certain hypothesis regarding that. :P
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MomofThreeGirls
Aug. 27th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
I don’t think it even matters if the individual women in this ad are truly recovering-Republicans or not – there’s no getting around the fact that they represent millions of real conservative women who do not want the government controlling their bodies and their reproductive rights – for themselves, their daughters, sisters, friends…
Also, this is not just a women’s issue. I think a lot of men out there need to wake up and think about how this will impact their own lives and families – the lives of their wives, daughters & sisters – not to mention their sons.
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Goss
Aug. 27th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
So, they demand that you carry through and have your baby regardless of the cost or danger, and then deny the help that you and your child will need after birth.
Lovely.
Also, another thing I have been thinking about; if repubs. are against abortion, why don’t they lead the way in adoptions? I think they should have adopted kids all over the place. I mean, they have the square footage, right?
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Kohaku
Aug. 27th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
You are utilizing logic, something which many Republicans seem to toss out of the window (at high speed) when they register their party affiliation.
I’ve actually had someone tell me that people adopt all of the children “necessary”, and that there is no such thing as a child no one wants. When I posted foster care and adoption statistics for the United States alone, I was blocked from their page.
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OrangeDuck
Aug. 27th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
My mother, a registered Republican for 51 years, just changed her party affiliation.
She says she is so ashamed of what the Republican party has become, she could no longer be part of it. She has gotten totally fed up with their obnoxious platform, From the willful degradations of the environment, to trickle down economics, to the coddling and entitlements of billionaires, to their disrespect for the freedom of/from religion, and most of all, she has a serious issue with their unconscionable war on women.
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Kohaku
Aug. 27th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Oh, look. Republican women are rebelling. Welcome to the side of equality, ladies. I can’t imagine how women could associate with the Republican party, particularly as it stands now. For that matter I can’t understand why any rational males would associate with them either.
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Jacqueline S. Homan
Aug. 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Kohaku said: “I can’t understand why any rational males would associate with them either.”
I have an answer to that: to preserve unearned MALE PRIVILEGE. It’s about male supremacy, male entitlement to enslave, exploit, damage and discard women’s bodies for MALE benefit at ALL women’s expense.
Why else has the trauma, pain, disfigurement, side effects and risks of pregnancy to women always been downplayed or ignored while everyone in these abortion and birth control “discussions” focuses only on “the baby” as if women aren’t people and don’t have a right to exist on our own terms?
Why is forced organ donation unacceptable for men but perfectly OK to impose on women, and yes, forced donation of my body — in whole or in part — is EXACTLY what forced pregnancy and forced childbirth is. It is legalized sexual torture and reproductive abuse in flagrant violation of women’s basic human rights to bodily autonomy and bodily integrity.
I am sick and tired of having to justify my existence and defend my rights to my own body just because I’m a woman living in a shit-filled misogynistic, male supremacist cesspool masquerading as a “democracy.”
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Alexx Miller
Aug. 27th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
We can only hope that all women stand together and refuse to be pushed back into the darkness.
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phil
Aug. 27th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Some people will believe anything. Don’t worry, unless the socialist makes abortion free, most women won’t have the money to pay for it anyways with Obama in office. Hysterical, scream and yell for the government to stay out of your bedroom and vagina, yet scream and yell for the government to pay for contraception and abortion. Pathetic.
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Rachael
Aug. 28th, 2012 at 4:29 am
Vote Republican… for government so small it can fit in your vagina!
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Dee
Aug. 28th, 2012 at 5:13 am
It’s all well and good to ban abortion and control women’s bodies until it concerns their wives, daughters etc…
What will they say if their lives ones were raped, would the matter of contraception matter. That’s right, they’re protected and we would never know if it happens. They’re over stepping their boundaries thinking we will be thrust back into that time in history where we had no voice, no choice. Seen and not heard. Well, I have a voice and a choice. Stay the heck out of my reproductive system, stop trying to control my body better yet, stop trying to control everything and stick to “trying to run the country”. Wait just disappear, they don’t even need to do that, with the plans they have for all of us. Seriously, tax hikes for the middle class, tax breaks for the rich, and forget the poor and homeless, he’ll they have government assistance to live on, but the plan ifs to cut that as well. Contradicting
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Dee
Aug. 28th, 2012 at 5:15 am
Typos
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