Fundamentalists are working themselves up over the Democratic National Convention. If this surprises you, look at how they reacted to their own convention. Some Christian fundamentlaists are still having problems with Mitt Romney’s nomination by the Republican Party. If they think of Obama as demonic, they do not find Romney to be any better, as ChrisitanNewsWire reveals:
Bill Keller, the world’s leading Internet Evangelist and the founder of LivePrayer.com, with over 2.4 million subscribers worldwide reading the Daily Devotional he has written every morning for 13 years on the issues of the day from a Biblical worldview, was horrified as he watched a Mormon cult member lead mostly Biblical Christians at the Republican Convention last night in a prayer to Satan, since Mormons do not pray to the God of the Bible, but to a mythical “god” they believe who was once a man!
Bryan Fischer tweeted on the 31st with regards to Mitt Romney, “Mormons used words tonight they rarely use: ‘congregation, pastor, clergy.’ Aim: we’re just another Christian denomination.” You know his heart isn’t in the Romney camp. Poor fella is really caught between a rock and a hard place, surrounded by “fake” Christians.
So it should come as a surprise to no one that some fundamentalists were quite concerned that a Sikh was allowed to deliver the invocation at the Republican National Convention, Bryan Fischer prominent among them.
The unfortunate Ishwar Singh is the president of the Sikh Society of Central Florida and letting him give an invocation is better than being surrounded by soul-thirsting Southern Baptists bringing him to Christ.
He was, not surprisingly, the first Sikh to speak at a Republican National Convention and he may well be the last. Fischer tweeted on the 29th that, “A Sikh will pray tonight at RNC. Christians should be respectful, but not bow their heads. Praying to a different God.”
Seems odd. I have no problem bowing my head for Christian prayers. It IS respectful to do so. But Janet Mefferd of the gay pagan hysteria was even worse, saying that people “who don’t have the slightest similarity to us” shouldn’t be allowed to pray at the convention. She was not talking only about Ishwar Singh, but echoes of Bill Keller, Mitt Romney.
On Thursday, a day after complaining about Sikhs praying, Fischer noticed in a tweet that there was “no Protestant on the ticket for the GOP; no evangelical prayers at RNC convention. Two firsts.” I don’t know what he’s complaining about: he’s got his fundamentalist Bartonian platform, David Barton bragging that 70 of 71 of his motions of stupid shit to add to the platform were accepted.
If it seems in all this like fundamentalist Christians are looking for ways to claim persecution it is because they are. And it’s nothing new. We know it’s an old, old trick, one dating back to the early Christian centuries when those seeking martyrdom would do all in their power to get a Pagan Roman magistrate to kill them.
It got so bad in those days that one such exasperated Roman official, the Roman proconsul of Asia, C. Arrius Antoninus, the church father Tertullian relates, shouted, “You wretches, if you want to die, you have cliffs to leap from and ropes to hang by.”[1] Even today, perhaps particularly today, almost twenty centuries later, one has to sympathize with him.
Which brings us again to Christian Newswire, which almost triumphantly reports that the Democratic National Convention (DNC) says that “the Church of Jesus Christ in Charlotte ‘does not reflect its values.’” Instead, they claim, Islam is the choice of religion for the DNC. Muslims, of course, we are told, are busy all over the Middle East chopping off Christian heads and forcing them to convert.
You do the fundamentalist math: 1 + 1 = 666:
The DNC is tolerant of all religions except one – Christianity! Why? The DNC hates the God of the Bible. It hates the God of our Pilgrim Forefathers and Founding Fathers. It hates the God (Jesus) who made America great and made her strong. It simply hates any judge but itself.
The DNC not having anything in common with a particular church (not Christianity overall, mind you, but a particular church), should not be shocking to any Christian who is willing to be honest with himself about Christianity’s own long animosity towards “other” Christianities. And perhaps honesty is the issue here.
The story is that Charlotte714, a so-called “non-political” group of Pastors and “Christian leaders” who are praying to God “to restore our nation, requested permission to pass out gifts and Christian literature to arriving DNC delegates, they were refused. The reason: ‘…the values of Charlotte714 do not reflect the values of the DNC.’”
An obvious question to ask is why, if Charlotte714 is non-political, they are so excited to evangelize a political convention. Don’t they have, oh, I don’t know…non-political things they ought to be doing?
But they are positively feverish with excitement that the DNC is coming to town: “We thank our God that He has brought the DNC here.”
Sounds pretty political to me. But then, these clowns also think they’re being persecuted.
And they don’t like that the Charlotte Observer is talking about their plans. ”‘Charlotte714,’ is the brainstorm of brothers David and Jason Benham. It gets its name from Scripture. In 2 Chronicles 7:14, God says he will forgive his people’s sins and ‘heal their land’ if they ‘shall humble themselves, and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways.’”
Wow, imagine that. A passage from the Old Testament and not the words of Jesus. Can you see my surprise? Can you? Look closely.
But in accordance to the precept that “there is no crime for those who have Christ” the Benham brothers are particularly upset by this revelation, if I can use that word:
The Benhams, both former professional baseball players, are the twin sons of Flip Benham, the controversial minister and anti-abortion activist headquartered in Concord.
Flip Benham is the national director of ‘Operation Save America.’ Last year, he was convicted of stalking a Charlotte doctor.”
(Note: the doctor was not stalking (e.g. persecuting) Benham.)
He [Flip Benham] reported was part of a group that interrupted services at St. Martin’s Episcopal Church in Charlotte when openly gay Bishop Gene Roberts spoke there in February.
Again, this is something Pagan Romans became familiar with, the phenomenon of the “hissing Christian” who disrupted Pagan rituals in order to make Pagans made enough at them to give them a good martyring. If the Roman government did not persecute these disturbers of the peace, Pagan mobs were more than willing to administer rough justice.
That is all Flip Benham was doing – fishing for persecution – and that is all his sons are doing by prodding the DNC. As I said, it’s a game fundamentalist Christians have been playing for 2000 years. Bryan Fischer is doing it too:
The Democratic National Convention can expect to be portrayed as a Demonic soirée. Right Wing Watch noticed that Bryan Fischer has already announced that it will be a “three day death camp.” “HotAir blogger Ed Morrissey who called the DNC ‘abortion-palooza,’ Fischer said the DNC will be a “three day Auschwitz.”
We have to take all this with a grain of sand coming from supporters and participants of the Republican Liathon in Tampa. Seriously.
Bryan Fischer apparently spoke for many fundamentalists though obviously not all when he tweeted yesterday:
For most Christians, a SINCERELY pro-life, pro-marriage Mormon is better than pro-abortion, pro-gay Christian-in-name-only.
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) September 1, 2012
Mefferd was less charitable, saying “I’m not saying people from different religions can’t vote Republican, but what this really is is a syncretism that is kind of seeping under the door like a gas.”
Most would call it a big tent: for Mefferd it is syncretism. I’d tell her that she’s 2000 years too late to shut the door on syncretism but facts don’t actually matter to people like Mefferd, and really, the point is that if the Republicans are going to take this kind of heat, Democrats shouldn’t be surprised that Bachmann’s “spiritual hurricane” rips into Charlotte.







Reynardine
Sep. 2nd, 2012 at 8:42 am
If they don’t stop it, they’ll go blind.
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Jonathan Burton
Sep. 2nd, 2012 at 8:53 am
The biggest recruiting tool for athiesm is stiff and persecutory fundamentailist religion. Most people do not wage war on their neighbors, as they adopt a live and let live philosophy. But these religious bigots with their narrow world view are taking would be Christians and convincing them to take another path. I have travelled to many places, and this rings true in any soceity. In London they have a weekly event in Hyde park called “speaker’s corner.” It is an open forum for people to lecture, preach and speak about different concepts, belief systems, and perspectives. The environment is condusive to open discussion and is by and large a friendly gathering with open minds and free speech. In my experiences with this gathering I have seen fights and very disrespectful attitudes displayed from only the fundamentalists who can’t seem to treat their so-called enemies with love and respect. The irony in this is that while the non-religious types seem to be able to get along just fine. It is the ones who are supposed to be filled with love and grace that are the most angry, accusatory and paranoid. The world needs to share its views with respect and to condemn the problems perpetuated by hard core Muslims, Christians and other orthodox religions. jesus never intended his followers to be such dickholes.
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Reynardine
Sep. 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 am
Well, in short, they didn’t stop it and they *have* gone blnd. Self-righteousness does that.
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Sam
Sep. 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 am
That’s the way we Liberals are. We believe in, “live and let live”. It makes for a happy people.
The reason conservatives are so bitter and unhappy is because they don’t believe in, “live and let live”.
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Pepper17
Sep. 2nd, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Those of us who believe “Live and let live” are sometimes (often lately) blind-sided by people whose attitude is “My way only”.
I don’t care what someone’s personal beliefs are, until that person tries to impose them on me. And that seems to be happening more and more. I don’t remember having this much strife about religion when I was in high school and college, even though they were both catholic schools. If I were still catholic, I’d have to quit now.
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Colleen
Sep. 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 am
This country was founded on religious freedom. If you read any history, you will find that many of our founding fathers were not any religion. I am tired of these people trying to shove their beliefs down everyone’s throat. They are all a bunch of religious fanatics. They can twist the words in Bible around to suit themselves.
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Jennifer
Sep. 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 am
Hear, hear!! Well said Colleen! In fact, a good portion of the founding fathers were Deists, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Thomas Paine & others. Thomas Jefferson even cut, pasted, edited & added his own views in the Jefferson Bible. When these people start spouting the bald faced lie that the USA is a “Christian Nation” they don’t even acknowledge the fact that it was founded on freedom of, & from religion. Refer to the Treaty of Tripoli Article 11…
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A Walkaway
Sep. 2nd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Actually, if you look at the early immigrants (like the “Pilgrims”) in a critical light, you would quickly learn that this country was founded on one thing: GREED.
The Pilgrims came here because they believed that God showed his approval by making one rich, and they couldn’t get rich in the countries they tried to take over (they were proto-dominionists). They came here for the “free land” and their goal was more economic than religious – although they couched their greed in religious terms. The Virginia colony? Pure economics, plain and simple. The elites came here to get rich, and their servants were dragged along.
I think it was the Huguenots who were actually the first ones who came here seeking religious freedom… but since religious history isn’t in my area, I may be wrong.
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Mary
Sep. 2nd, 2012 at 10:52 am
The crazies love nothing more then to be perseuted victims. I refuse to actually call them Christians because I believe a person cannot be filled with so much hate and be called a christian.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 am
I say nail em all to a cross
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A Walkaway
Sep. 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
That’s likely to misfire and get the ones who aren’t a problem. Otherwise, I think it fitting for a lot of the dominionists.
(I’ve read that was also a big problem in Roman days… that some nutcases would seek martyrdom, and often the quiet, decent people caught hell too. Indeed, from my observation, the evil people get off without a single hair disturbed, while the decent and innocent pay their price.)
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1voice1vote
Sep. 2nd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Republican wankers whipping up violence; it’s what they do.
Republican Bryan Fischer, “I won’t be going to DNC – safety concerns after FRC shooting. Dangerous for conservatives in the land of liberal compassion.”
“We should sink Todd Akin. If he’s found mysteriously murdered, don’t look for my whereabouts!” Republican Karl Rove
As a liberal peace activist,
(Had you listened to me, we would have saved 1,000s of lives and a trillion $$$ war debt in Republican George W Bush’s Iraq.)
I place a flower in the gun barrel of the GOP.
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Eddie Powell
Sep. 2nd, 2012 at 6:10 pm
We call them “PART TIME CHRISTIANS”. They use the word and god to their self serving ends. it is not about turning the cheek…it is about not having to offer the cheek in the first place. Rumors of wars come out of their mouths and let starving children starve. Then stand back and claim that God spoke to them in every evil thing that they do. Holy than thou… God bless them because they really don’t know the scripture and know no better….Scripturally speaking….
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majii
Sep. 3rd, 2012 at 12:12 am
One reason I vote for democrats is because they tend to leave me alone and don’t demand hive-like behavior and beliefs. Chriistians aren’t supposed to question the Christianity of another Christian, but tepublicans have attacked President Obama repeatedly and have labeled him as being Muslim, even though they were making lots of fuss about him being a member of Reverend Wright’s church for over twenty years when he was runnning for president in 2008. This is just how evil they really are. They know he’s a Christian, but they can’t stop themselves from stirring up trouble by saying he’s a Muslim. The republcians in Cognress know the president is a Christian, but none of them have the strength of character and the Christian principles that would compel them to tell their supporters to sit down and shut the frick up. They’re more worried about losing these nuts’ votes than they are in telling them the truth. The emphasis that these fundamentalists/dominionists place on public displays of Christianity is contrary to what Jesus taught. Christianity is supposed to be a private thing–between you and God. Jesus hated public displays of religion and spoke against them. The NT speaks of following after those who aren’t really Christians and the danger it places a Christian in. Fischer, Reed, Mefferd, and most of the republcian politicians aren’t really Christians because they don’t do what Christians are supposed to do. They love money, they’re greedy, they support the rich and ignore the poor, and they’ll snatch the bottle out of a baby’s mouth to give the richest Americans another tax cut. This isn’t Christian behavior, and they know it. Their greed and lust for power displaces any desire they have to live Christian lives. One only has to take a look at Ryan’s budget to realize this.
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majii
Sep. 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 am
Sorry about the typos–for some reason the browser I’m using today doesn’t highlight the misspelled words.
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DannyEastVillage
Sep. 3rd, 2012 at 11:12 am
Gee, maybe that wall of separation isn’t such a bad idea after all, huh, conservatives?
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KatzKids
Sep. 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
While flipping through the channels last night, I paused on one of these extremist Preachers telling people that THESE are the times when “Gawd” is going to make them all millionaires. How he wants each & every one of them to “Prosper” and own many houses, lands & so much money they’ll never again do without. Of course, before those wonders could occur, they needed to call the listed 1-800 number & give the organization every penny they could scrape together & send it to them. The more money they sent, the more they would receive. Then the riches would flow unbounded into their coffers. All this & it didn’t even come from folks in Nigeria, so you COULD believe. Damn them all.
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evermorejones
Sep. 5th, 2012 at 7:26 am
I have an idea, let us all think up our own imaginary friends and then they can tell us what to do.
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