Paul Ryan fell apart today when George Stephanopoulos asked the deer in headlights vice presidential nominee how Mitt Romney will pay for $5 trillion in tax cuts for the rich.
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Transcript from ABC’s This Week:
STEPHANOPOULOS: How do you make the math work without eliminating the big deductions that middle-class families rely on?
RYAN: Well, first of all, that — those claims have been pretty discredited. There have been five different studies –
STEPHANOPOULOS: How have they been discredited?
RYAN: — that show — that this — that this plan works. So the analysis you’re citing wasn’t even an analysis of the Romney plan.
But here’s the point I am trying to make here, George. We think the secret to economic growth is lower tax rates for families and successful small businesses by plugging loopholes.
Now the question is, not necessarily what loopholes go, but who gets them. High-income earners use most of the loopholes. That means they can shelter their income from taxation. But if you take those loopholes, those tax shelters away from high-income earners, more of their income is subject to taxation. And that allows us to lower tax rates on everybody — small businesses, families, economic growth.
Here’s where the president wants to take the country. He wants to add a job-killing small-business tax increase on top of the current code, add even more loopholes and deductions to the code, more Washington picking winners and losers. That will crush jobs. You have to remember, George, that most of our small businesses, they pay their taxes as individuals. Most of our jobs come from these successful small businesses. So we’ve shown — look, the Princeton study, the Harvard analysis, they have shown that you can lower tax rates, broaden the tax base, and, yes, there is still room left for broad-based policies that the middle class enjoy so that nobody has a tax increase. We just stop picking winners and losers in the tax code.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But, Congressman, as you know –
RYAN: When Reagan did this, it worked –
STEPHANOPOULOS: — many say it’s difficult –
RYAN: Go ahead, George.
STEPHANOPOULOS: — to accept your word if you’re not going to specify which tax loopholes you’re willing to close. Don’t voters have a right to know which loopholes you’re going to go after?
RYAN: So Mitt Romney and I, based on our experience, think the best way to do this is to show the framework, show the outlines of these plans, and then to work with Congress to do this. That’s how you get things done. The other thing, George, is–
STEPHANOPOULOS: Isn’t that a secret plan?
RYAN: — we don’t want to — no, no. No, no. What we don’t want is a secret plan. What we don’t want to do is cut some backroom deal like ObamaCare, and then hatch (ph) it (ph) to the country.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But why not specify the –
RYAN: We want to do this –
STEPHANOPOULOS: — loopholes now?
RYAN: — out in the open –
STEPHANOPOULOS: Why not say right now –
RYAN: — because we want to do this –
(CROSSTALK)
RYAN: — we want to have this — George, because we want to have this debate in the public. We want to have this debate with Congress. And we want to do this with the consent of the elected representatives of the people, and figure out what loopholes should stay or go and who should or should not get them.
And our priorities are high-income earners should not get these kinds of loopholes. And we should have broad-based policies that go to middle-class taxpayers, to make sure we can advance things that we care about, like charities. But that is a debate we shouldn’t cut in a back room, shouldn’t hatch a secret plan like ObamaCare. We should do it out in the public view where the public can participate.
STEPHANOPOULOS: That’s exactly what I’m suggesting, having it in public before the election so voters can have that information before they make up their minds.
RYAN: We think the best way to get — look, I’ve been in Congress a number of years. I’ve been on the Ways and Means Committee for 12 years. And we think the best way to do this is to get this framework in place, and then negotiate, work with Democrats, work with people across the aisle, have these kinds of hearings, have this conversation to get this objective.
Paul Ryan’s answer on how he and Romney would pay for $5 trillion in tax cuts for the wealthy was trust us. Ryan wants America to take his word for it that this plan really works. Of course he could cite no specific evidence that it works, and he won’t tell voters how it will work, but he knows that it will work.
However, the evidence can be found in our own recent history to prove that this policy doesn’t work. George W. Bush cut taxes for the wealthy and the jobs never came. President Obama was ransomed into extending the Bush tax cuts and the jobs never came, but even more telling is the fact the Ryan won’t disclosed how they are going to pay for their gift to the wealthy.
In fact when Paul Ryan was pressed ever so slightly by George Stephanopoulos for specifics, the vice presidential nominee fell apart. Like a snowman on sunny day, Paul Ryan melted down to nothing when a little heat was put on him.
Romney and Ryan say their plan isn’t a secret, but they won’t tell America what the plan is.
Ryan did lie and claim that the president planned to raise taxes on small businesses, when in reality Obama’s plan is to cut taxes for 97% of small businesses. He also insinuated that Obama wants to add more loopholes for the wealthy to avoid paying taxes, when in reality, the president has been proposing more deductions to help people pay for things like education and healthcare.
There is no big secret to Romney’s tax cut plan. Under his proposal the top 1% get trillions of dollars in tax cuts, and a person earning $40,000-$50,000 would have seen a $54 tax cut in 2011. According to the Tax Policy Center, the only way that Romney can pay for his gift to the rich is by making everyone else pay more.
Since Ryan doesn’t want to say that the plan won’t create jobs, but it will raise your taxes, he has to dance around and pretend that his secret plan isn’t really a secret.
All it took was one simple question to reduce the Republican budget guru/vice presidential nominee to a pile of evasive sniveling talking points.
So Paul Ryan, how are you going to pay for that?





Nathan Miller Foster
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
What we need is to organize a group or site which
rakes over every interview, every policy, everything said as an official (and perhaps relevant truths to their effect on the policy) -
check for inconsistencies
watch body language
use logic, with detailed, easy to read proofs
look through what they say, watch them
like ‘Lie to Me’, and again, logic, show with logic
just as a baseline for every thing said
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blacktooth
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Go to Politifact.com.
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j
Sep. 12th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
“Paul Ryan falls apart…” Not even close- in fact his responses to GA’s questions were spot on while articulating some great answers that make sense to the common American…. Kudos to Congressman Ryan!!! You have our vote, hands down!
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SSG WEEKS
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
You sir must be one of those Koch brothers tea party fools or tools. Did Ryan answer the question good enough for you? You must watch FOX lies misinformation and/or half truths, because people that watch FOX are dumbed down. And you seem to fit the bill. You as an American are a traitor if you’re willing to vote for an idiot like Ryan after you watch him fall apart like he did.
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Long Strange Tripster
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Wow. Just a bunch of blah blah blah coming out of his lying piehole.
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Vic Schmidtt
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
This is the Big Liar’s Little Liar in action, lying through those government cared-for teeth of his. He is certainly not Vice Presidential material, just like the Big Kahuna is definitely not Presidential material. However Big Liar did admit today–twice in the same interview–that the economy has improved under Obama. In his own words, Romney gave the President a thumbs up on the economy. Oughta make the Republican voters out there feel real good knowing their candidate is supporting Obama now.
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jlt
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I honestly think he is worse than Palin…He gulped like a child caught in a lie!
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Sandra
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
I agree. I had to stop the video and read the article. I simply cannot tolerate this guy’s verbiage of saying a lot yet saying nothing. He wants to be open about what he and the Myth’s plans are on creating all these jobs, tax cuts plus finding the money to pay down the debt/deficit yet refuses to give details. God help America if these two get elected.
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Suzanne Vinmans
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
And MANY of the people who are impoverished and unemployed are in YOUR DISTRICT, Mr. Ryan! You Liar Liar Pants on Fire!
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Donna
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
George, is really weak in this interview. Yeah he asked (1) question with a couple of weak follow up questions. I would have loved to have seen Soledad go after Lyan Ryan. She would not have let him ramble on and on, not saying anything.
Did you ever notice Ryan is one of those people that talks ninety miles an hour, crams a thousand words into his responses, and when you read them in print they don’t convey an ounce of truth, or common sense?
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Pam
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Tell me how this guy is smarter than Sarah Palin. His word salad is just as hard to understand as hers is.
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sugapea
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Paul Ryan takes Acting Lessons! Don’t think Sarah Palin ever did that.
Watch Ryan’s: ‘I beg to differ with you’…that’s what we’ll hear at the VP-Debate over and over again.
Hope Biden will stress Empathy…
Because empathy comes from the Heart…something Acting Lessons can never teach one to grasp.
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SinghX
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Yep, the acting lessons were very apparent the night of the Romney acceptance speech; the inner circle all had the same “practiced” facial expressions, all timed to “emote” in tune with certain phrases and camera work. It was total production. I’m sure Mel Gibson or that other little 80′s actor-dweeb worked very hard as “directors”…the Romeny/Ryan posse all needed a lot of helping in portraying big puppy dog eyes, smiles with mouth closed, sincere and serious…it was so fake I almost died laughing! You could probably hear the crew in the background applauding the performances as if they were the puppet-makers in “Dinner for Schmucks”.
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mnrn
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Thank you, SinghX for expressing clearly what I’ve been thinking about the republican’s performances, especially romney. You nailed it! The planned puppy-dog eyes – perfect. Watching Mrs. Obama, Mr. Biden, and Mr. Obama, you KNEW their sentiments were sincere and real.
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Devin
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
I agree with your message. However, actors aren’t taught expressions. They are taught to imitate emotion such as empathy by recalling personal life experiences, so Ryan is very much so capable of displaying the expression. JSYK.
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LisaLV711
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
He’s not. He thinks his lies don’t show but they are so blatant. What’s wrong with these people?
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Inez
Sep. 11th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Like…… the Italian bread salad, tossed around and all wet!
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harris stein
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
The unvarnished truth is they have no plan. As far as Ryan talks about bipartisanship it comes down to the democratic side giving into the republican hocus pocus of denying human involvement in climate change, burning every drop of crude oil, every last particle of coal and natural gas and then have the “private sector” figure out what happens next. It comes down to the democratic side giving in to the republican hocus pocus of Earth becoming a privatized utopia.
There is no republican plan. It’s hocus pocus that the private sector will rescue all of us from the evil traps the government sets to lure us into servitude. It is the government that has rescued a hundred million people in this nation from homelessness and starvation while the private sector did nothing except blow up the entire financial system by luring supposedly smart people and their financial planners into taking on more debt than they could handle.
What have we come to as a nation when we allow smarmy scum bags like Ryan to try to buffalo us into believing a bunch of magical nonsense from a book of fiction will save us from the dust bin of history.
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Jakeb Maryott
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 1:56 am
Everyone can go home now. This comment definitely wins it all.
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celticmoon
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
“Word salad”….~lol~
Sums up Romney/Ryan’s policy menu perfectly!
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RJP3
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
He is amazingly condescending … narcissism is a very dangerous and destructive disorder
Obamacare was not developed in a back room …. hardly. He is a pathological liar for power.
Shocking that people still support sick men like this.
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harris stein
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
When I hear Ryan talk in his mile a minute rap and not allowing anyone else to speak in the debate, so the other is forced to shutup and accept whatever comes out of Ryan’s mouth, I am amazed that there isn’t more in the media about his personality.
He obviously has a serious personality disorder, but many republican and a few democratic politicians have similar disorders. I think the reason there isn’t more in the mainstream media about his disorder is that republicans won’t criticize one of their own and democrats won’t say anything because they fear being labled with a personality didorder themselves.
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SinghX
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Sam, I’m not exactly sure I follow what your talking about…could you clarify what diagnosis you think might apply to his rapid fire deliver as personality disorder?
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Republicans are a disease
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
His fast speech may not be indicative but his content and delivery by this and other speeches is revealing, not to mention the CONSTANT Exaggeration of his own importance, achievements, and talents:
Narcissistic personality
Symptoms of this disorder include:
Reacting to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation
Taking advantage of others to reach their own goals
Exaggerating their own importance, achievements, and talents
Imagining unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance
Requiring constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
Becoming jealous easily
Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of others
Being obsessed with oneself
Pursuing mainly selfish goals
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Becoming easily hurt and rejected
Setting goals that are unrealistic
Wanting “the best” of everything
Appearing unemotional
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SinghX
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Oh sure of course…but I was being more specific in terms of the rapid-fire speech. One of the symptoms of manic-depressive personalities (but you have to look at the entire matrix) is talk in rapid-fire speech. They also have feelings of intensely happy, importance and, an inflated self-esteem, confidence in themselves…this is not a diagnosis of the man, but he’s masking an awful lot of himself under all those acting lessons…yes, he can “connect” under the guise of
“emoting” but he has been taught to “anchor”, something that ties him to his “feeling”…
Bets are on it’s not “normal” stuff like puppies (more like the stuff that people with Attachment Disorders get off on, like blood, gore, violence).
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Jen
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Singh, you (unintentionally) insinuate that everyone with an attachment disorder is a violent person. But a psychopath/sociopath is more likely to be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder.
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SinghX
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
I do not disagree with any of the assessments of little Pauly; no one has his mental health records or can make a diagnosis “on-line”.
He could have any number of different dual diagnosis; there was no intent to lump Attachment Disorders as you pointed out, merely (and perhaps carelessly) it was an example of how many disorders have various degrees could apply to the little miscreant.
I’m more afraid of what his eyes tell us, the whites “moon” at the bottom sockets…
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Sandra
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Hyperactivity comes to mind as well as a serious case of bs disorder. There is probably a psychiatric disorder that does describe his personality, some kind of mood swing (hyper/hypo) but alas I am not qualified to diagnose him.
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Scripttease
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 2:36 am
That’s because they get off by hating Obama.
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Brie
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Yeah – a back room where they were plotting how to kill grandma through death panels and taking away her Medicare – or so the republicans claimed (proven completely false). I was never a fan of Coburn – but at least he called it like it was at his healthcare town hall meeting when people were screaming about death panels – his response – stop watching Fox News. Even one of the Supreme Court Justices mentioned the “corn husked kickback” in court – a provision not in the final bill – I mean even GOP justices were politicized with misinformation from the debates – debates which took place out in the open. Does Paul Ryan not remember the LONG legislative battle that produced the ACA? I wasn’t even in Congress like Ryan and by the time it finally passed I was relieved because I was sick of hearing the daily play by play of healthcare legislation that dominated the news cycle. I do have a memory – and as far as I remember the ACA wasn’t sprung on us out of a back room.
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Sharon Potts
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Yeah, okay, so tell us what you are going to do. What’s your 5 point plan, you freaking lying asshole?
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Julia Williams
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
What an A$$. WE SHOULD have booted him out BEFORE HE voted Over & Over again to raise the National Debt! Lyin’ryan. No details, again….trust me to work with Congress…please!! Lyin’ryan. I LOVE OBAMACARE! You’re NOT gonna cut the safety net so million/billionaires get a tax cut! Lyin’ryan.
YOU repugs pushed the policies that drove us into debt!! Let’s try nation building here at home!
The more you & rmoney speak…the more the fact checkers find…Lyin’ryan.
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nomsd
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Jeez imagine looking into that goofy face, those vacant eyes, and hearing that pretentious voice saying the same empty things for the next four years? Good God, I could barely stand 5 minutes of it.
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Sandra
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Likewise, I turned it off and read the article. He’s just too sanctimonious and arrogant to tolerate.
He’s the typical know it all who doesn’t know anthing but is too stupid to realise it and that intelligent people see right through him. He’s really a $arah Palin in drag, a bit more intelligent and articulate but like her, he double speaks in a manner that most do not comprehend what he’s saying because he speaks in a rapid fire manner so they just go along with it.
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kevin
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Little Eddie looked like he stepped out in front of a convoy of 18 wheelers !!!!.
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clarence swinney
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
few GOP lies.
1. Rich pay almost all ther taxes–In fed-state-local– 1% pay 29% and middle class pay 28% of Total Income
2.Tax Rates are too high
In 2009, only Chile and Mexico took a larger percent of GDP in taxes
Corp paid 12.1% Tax rate in 2011–Second lowest in oecd
3.Tax Cuts Boost the Economy
Reagan and Bush tax cuts did not do it
4.Eliminate tax breaks for rich would not significantly reduce the deficit
1387B gained easily by few changes–cover projected 900B deficit for 2013 and pay off some debt
5.Financial Transaction tax would hurt the economy.
UK had one for decades no problem
…
Small tax on $500,000 Billion.
GOP all for RICH=100%=all the time-big liars
Middle class drop dead
See More
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sugapea
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Clarence, Look at the TAX-RATE CHART:
Check out the years when we could easily afford new highways/bridges/schools.
And Rmoney’s Tax Rate is what? 13%!
The ‘Rich’ are no longer helping to pull Our American Wagon.
They now pay less…than 60-Years ago:
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t106/OnlyObvious/Tax_Rates/TopTaxBracket_TaxRate.jpg
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Sally
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
I just read the transcript for Rmoney on Gregory’s pretend news show, and he said exactly the same things…must be this week’s talking points “well, um we have these studies from Harvard that back us up.” Yeah, which ones? Let us check that out, since you two are such champion liars.
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Brie
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
They are not studies from independent analysts – they are studies put out by openly partisan guys. When I saw Romney on MTP I started looking into these studies – 1st I heard of them – and they can’t be trusted. I believe it was the Harvard study that took into account the tax savings and increased revenue from the tax on cadillac plans into his paradigm. If you are really looking at the Romney plan you cannot include the savings and revenue from Obamacare – Romney plans to repeal it! Just one of many flaws in the study. What blew me away is that these ‘”studies” Romney says show the rich are going to pay a lot more – even with the tax cut – due to lost loopholes (shown to be just the opposite by independent analysts). But here is the question I have – I thought your economic vision to help the economy is to lower taxes on the rich? If these studies you site raise taxes in the rich doesn’t that go against your economic plan? If the rich are taxed too much – and you claim on MTP that your plan will raise taxes on the rich – why are you now supporting your own plan based on what these new “studies” say! These “studies” are a new defense – but why is no one pointing out that they are contradictory to Romney’s economic vision – and yet he is now embracing raising taxes on the rich? Another flip-flop – I thought his plan was to lower taxes on everybody – who knew he supports higher taxes on the rich too – or so he now claims.
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Fran
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Ryan is all for states having flexibility except when it comes to governors requesting waivers in TANF policy. In that case it’s “Obama gutting welfare”.
So states SHOULD have flexibility when it comes to denying folks Medicaid coverage. But not when it comes to improving on the current TANF prescripts. See how that works?
Ryan is all for pledging to make necessary spending cuts until it comes down to having to make necessary spending cuts. He agreed that DOD cuts would be on the chopping block if his committee failed to come up with a plan. He failed. And now he’s welching. See how that works?
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Anna Cathrine
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Why do Republican/Teabags forget that the whole financial ‘house of cards’ came crashing down BEFORE Obama was elected? Why do they conveniently forget that Pres. Cheney Bush and all the backdoor deals and wars got us into this mess? Pass the duct tape..my head is about to explode!
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Bob
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
So basically what they are saying is… The REALLY don’t have a plan.
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Patty
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Ryan is on record voting to NOT protect the miffle class “tax loopholes” cited by Clinton at the DNC. Yet Ryan promises to not end these deductions. So why not remove the uncertainty for the middle class? Smells like another lie….
HOUSE of REPRESENTATIVES AUGUST 2, 2012
Home-Mortgage Deduction: Members defeated, 188-235, a Democratic motion stating that any Tax Code overhaul should retain deductions for home mortgages and charitable contributions. The underlying bill (HR 6169) did not identify tax breaks Republicans would like to see repealed. A yes vote backed the motion.
Ayes: 188 (Democrat: 185; Republican: 3)
Nays: 235 (Democrat: 2; Republican: 233)
Abstained: 7 (Democrat: 4; Republican: 3)
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Bart
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
“What loopholes should stay or go…” Excuse me, if you get your way, the loopholes will all stay for the people that put Mr. Ryan in office.
Mr. Ryan has had one job. Politics. And he’s been on all these economic committees — many of the policies over the last 12 years HAVE BEEN HIS.
Reform Medicaid…meaning wipe it out for 14 to 27 million and wipe out guarenteed coverage. Ryan knows this and lies. Amazing…
“I won’t get into the details…” That’s Ryan in a nutshell. But I can guarentee that the details are disadvantageous to the middle class and the poor and only looking good for the rich.
We are screwed if Mr. Romney and Ryan get into the White House. It will be the “let them eat cake” administration.
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kathleen harris
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
I can not wati for the debate! These two had better have some kind of plan to sick to and how they plan to do it, or this election is a bust! The people will see and they will leave them at the podium. I hae certainly had enough of the lies and the flip flopping. Now, they say they will not repeal Obamacare, they will keep parts of it, they also say they will not give tax cuts to the rich. ?well, why is that suddenly changing now? Too, much inconsistancy in them and what they THINK they can do! Sad way to run for office. I have said all along they have no clue. The only thing they intend to do is work for themselves. And Ryan talk about compromise? Well, why the hell has he not done that in the past 14 years? And why no budget in the past 14 years? Why obstruct the Speaker and Obama from correcting the economy in the past 4 years? Why has he just not been supportive of HIS President. We the people elected Obama to that office! Sorry, but that was OUR choice! He was only elected to represent WI! Not be obstructive and impede this countries recovery with his snotty nose, immature, bratty personality that is of no use in one of the highest seats in this country! How he got the Chairman of the HOuse Budget is beyond me! Seems he needs a reality check! And hopefully this country will give him one, as well as, the people of WI! He sucks and we all know it!
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St._John
Sep. 15th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Excellent post Kathleen!
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Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
let’s see, let’s take a look at who the biggest donors are to the Romney Ryan campaign. Why they are very rich people and the very same people that Romney and Ryan are saying they are going to take the tax loopholes away from. Oh gosh does that ever make sense.
I wonder if they have called Koch brothers yet and let them know
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sugapea
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
I’m sure Koch Bro’s & The Rich Dudes have told RMoney/Ryan:
“It’s OK to lie…just get elected the lies now won’t matter later.’!
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Conservative Heart
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
There you Libtards go again…running off the cliff with your projections and your lies!
Romney and Ryan have told you people time and time again the details of all their plans. But since it’s hard to get stuff through your indoctrinated, MSNBC-watching head, let me clarify–beyond a shadow of a doubt–how Romney and Ryan will pay for their tax cuts for the wealthy.
They will do it how they’ve always done it.
And that’s all you people need to know.
There. Satisfied, stupid, nit-picky liberals?
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laurie
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Oh my gosh…too funny! :)
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Evemo
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
WOW! Did George give lyin’ Ryan a pass! Talk about your corporate media!!! Why didn’t he fact check the asshole and call him out on his lying right there???
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Saje Williams
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Mitt Romney plans on balancing the budget using Miracle Math. It doesn’t add up, but Jesus will fix it retroactively.
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Rita Mulloy
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Blah…blah…blah….blah
Snake oil anyone?
Vote for me. You don’t need details..I’m white!
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susan
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
A lot of “secrecy” here…this reminds me of one thing only…..”IT’S PEOPLE’…remember that movie?? It’s coming true here guys….
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skohayes
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
You can tell the man was rehearsed right down til the stage lights came on, and when George deviates from Ryan’s script, Ryan starts babbling:
“Our problem is not that we are overtaxed. We are overtaxed. ”
“STEPHANOPOULOS: But just to be clear, I just want to pin this down. If you get the kind of entitlement reforms you’re talking about, you’re willing to raise more revenues.
RYAN:The problem with President Obama and his budgets are you add up all of his tax increases, George, all those tax increases he’s promising will come in January, they don’t even pay for a fifth of his proposed deficit spending”
So a so-called “deficit hawk” wants to turn down revenues from higher taxes on the wealthy, because they don’t reduce the deficit enough?
I used to think Ryan was a wonk, but lately, I’ve begin to realize that the Republicans just used him as a front man to present their radical budget, he really has no clue what he’s talking about.
Clinton was right- they’re arithmetic deficient.
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Gerald Boutell
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Romney/Ryan plan! Found this today, sums it up perfectly!
On average a person retiring at age 65 in 2023, would have to pay $59,500 more for health care over the length of their retirement under Romney’s plan.
The numbers are even higher for younger Americans who retire later, the study found. A person, who qualifies for Medicare in 2030, todays 48 year old, would see an increase of $124,600 in Medicare costs over their retirement period.
While Romney’s changes to Medicare would affect future retirees, the study also said that Romney’s plan to get rid of Obama’s health care law could raise health care costs in retirement by $11,000 for the average person who is 65 years old today by reinstating limits on prescription drug coverage.
The study was conducted by David Cutler, a Harvard professor
Cutler’s Democratic affiliations make him vulnerable to accusations of partisanship. But much of his data is drawn from studies by the independent Congressional Budget Office, which has projected even higher costs to future retirees under a 2011 budget plan written by Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who chairs the House Budget Committee.
The budget agency said future retirees would pay more under Ryan’s plan than if they went into traditional Medicare. By 2030, a typical 65-year-old would be paying two-thirds of his or her health costs, the agency said
Can’t figure out why anyone in their right mind would shoot themselves in the foot and vote for these two
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madstork123
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Put Ryan up against Rachel Maddow and he’ll be crying his eyes out and begging to make the mean lady stop.
Maddow is unfailingly polite, but she doesn’t let go.
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Doris~
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
I am so sick & tired of being sick & tired of the liars club,what does it take for the commonsense American to get the big picture that these obstructionist are plotting to bring down the 98%?
RobMe/Lyin Ryan 1040′s……Obama~Biden 2012′
Strange thing is…the teathugliKKKan tro//s think they won’t be included in the mystery of the RoBMe,Lyin Ryan,KochMonster schemes…
Wake up America,less we are doomed.
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Doris~
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
To all fellow Americans: KOCH BLOCK IT!!!!!
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labman57
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
For a budgetary guru, Ryan sure doesn’t seem to have a command of the subject. Previously, he stated in an interview that he couldn’t really discuss the specifics of their budget plan because “he hadn’t yet crunched the numbers”.
Reality check — virtually every nonpartisan economist has confirmed that the Romney/Ryan budget plans contain impossible to attain, mutually-exclusive goals — increasing defense spending, cutting taxes on corporations and upper class Americans, and simultaneously reducing the federal deficit.
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thommy berlin
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
It’s all been great fun, hasn’t it?
But the truth is there. Eliminate all the talking and review the EVENTS.
The record shows that republican have created @80% of the deficit, yet they howl about it’s existence.
What the hell you ask?
It’s simple: They wish to dismantle a large part of the government because political power negates the power of wealth.
All else is distraction.
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newmeximan
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
From the measured conversations I have had with conservatives regarding America’s future economics, there appears to be quite a lack of comprehension between our deficits and our debt. Many conservatives have even stated that the terms are used inter-changeably.
Our nation has a revenue problem, and the difference between what we take in through taxes and fees and the amount we spend is our deficit. And the math is startling – it is equal to the amount of money spent in Afghanistan, the force reserve in Kuwait for Iraq and Afghanistan, the Medicare Part D Prescription Plan, and the lower tax rates on the wealthy that were originated in 2001, renewed again in 2005 and 2010. As Clinton pointed out, this is simple math.
We have an obligation to honor previous laws enacted by the previous Congresses, even though we can not afford them. That creates the need to borrow money to make up the deficit. So when President Obama signs continuing spending resolutions that require borrowing, he is honoring the decisions made my conservatives. It was conservatives who created the laws that require deficit spending.
To admit that is where conservatives draw the line – for to admit the deficit spending is due to their choices makes them responsible for the debt incurred these past 3 years. 2 wars and a Medicare reform which were never funded is the elephant in the room. Tax cuts for the very people who have made money off the 2 wars and the Medicare reform was supposed to increase revenue – and to admit it has not worked forces conservatives to admit their entire reason d’etre – low taxes for the wealthy – does not a productive economy make.
I ask conservatives one simple question: if lower taxes on the wealthy create jobs, and the wealthy have had the lowest taxes since 1952, and the taxes have been low for 11 years – where are the jobs?
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Adele S.
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
I’ve nicknamed this guy “Fluffy”. The name fits, since all the answers he gave were completely fluff with no hard facts. Fluffy is cute on my bunny Duster, but I wouldn’t want to put Duster into office.
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GANDERLE
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Rate cuts increase economic activity and therefore revenue. The year Ronald Reagan took over in 1981, federal revenues were $569 billion. When he left office, revenues were $909 billion. In the 1920s, successive tax rate reductions resulted in a huge economic boom throughout the 1920s. Democrat John F. Kennedy also reduced top marginal rates when he took office and this stimulated the economy. The history of Keynesian economics is equally consistent…. A consistent failure.
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UncaJoe
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Yes, and we all know how well the “Roaring 20′s” ended up. October 28th, 1929. Which in turn lead to the fantastic economic situation of the 1930′s
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NGzak
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Tax cuts? Reagan raised certain taxes. “We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that have allowed some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share,” he said. “In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary, and that’s crazy. It’s time we stopped it.
“And the way I see it, if our current tax structure were a TV show, it would either be Foul-ups, Bleeps and Blunders, or Gimme a Break. If it were a record album, it would be Gimme Shelter. If it were a movie, it would be Revenge of the Nerds or maybe Take the Money and Run. And if the IRS, Internal Revenue Service, ever wants a theme song, maybe they’ll get Sting to do, ‘Every breath you take, every move you make, I’ll be watching you.’”
He also raised the debt from $900 billion to $2.7 trillion. Ford and Carter in their combined terms could only double it. It took 31 years to accomplish the first postwar debt tripling, yet Reagan did it in eight.
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Jo Hargis
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
This guy disgusts me beyond my ability to describe it.
Ask the people of Texas how they feel about block grants…about giving the states the right to administer the grants. Perry has just gutted our Medicaid. All it takes is ONE teabagger Obama-hating governor to gut any health care for poor folks. All for spite, no other reason.
So, Ryan, don’t give me your CHIT about how people don’t want the federal government guaranteeing their rights to health care. The teabagger governors sure won’t do it.
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Really??
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Creepy, creepy man. I had trouble looking at him. It is like looking in the face of the devil.
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Christopher Adekoya
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Since Paul Ryan is not ready to get into details of Romney-Ryan’s tax plans, it is time to close the door in the face of their candidacy. Not only that these duo do not have a plan, they are cheats and opaque about what their governance is going to be!
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Monte Swenson
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
In and effort to help all of us taxpaying Americans, I would like the Romney/Ryan group to disclose Romney’s personal tax plan and show how it has helped him not pay taxes. I really don’t think we need too much more in the way of a tax cut.
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work with Democrats???
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
[Quote]And we think the best way to do this is to get this framework in place, and then negotiate, ***work with Democrats, work with people across the aisle,*** have these kinds of hearings, have this conversation to get this objective[unquote]
Have we seen any evidence that they can work with Democrats, or any indication that they want to?
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Kim
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
you know how to tell Ryan’s lying? His mouth is moving!!! Romney will not show what he paid in taxes= less than the middle class did I am sure, or why hide it? the loopholes he is talking about is making more for the wealthy and less for the working poor and middle class. Go Obama ’12!!!
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Danny
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Aren’t the “Princeton Study” and “Harvard Analysis” that Ryan references as support for his math the same ones whose authors told Ezra Klein don’t say what Romney/Ryan claim they say?
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Daddycool
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
George asks him direct questions and he starts all of his answers with: “The problem with Obama is….”
I wanted to crawl through my computer screen and wring his neck! George didn’t ask him ANYTHING about Obama !!!!! He asked Paul Ryan about Paul Ryan!
This whole GOP whine of “But Obama…” has worn thin.
People want answers, but are realizing now they just arent going to get any details. Because their actual plan is completely crazy. (If they in fact have any plan.)
The debates will corner these 2 fakers and they’ll need to provide answers that don’t exist. And once that happens … this thing is over. At that point the repubs will be forced to unveil their BIG LIE, like all fascists do. But it won’t work.
Nighty night clowns!
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Poot
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccckckkkkkkkgrglllgrllgg…kkk..grkg..aaaahhunhuhnhu………………………………..
………..SCREAMING, crying, and wringing my hands!
Muggy monkey Manga eyes!!!
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R. Tresch
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Well, the thing that stands out the most to me is his statement that he and Romney would cut be3nefits under Social Security and Medicare, and that money can be spent on other things. You have to listen carefully, they try to not put any e
mphasis on the words so as to ake one think that it is just the usual rhetoric they are spouting. What Romney and Ryan plan on doing is cutting Social Security and Medicare and taxing us the same amount. Romney/Ryan plan on diverting that money to other things. And, if they do this the way they say they intend to, the American people will get ripped off to the tune of $2.6 Trillion. If they get rid of Social Security, they think they don’t have to pay back that money.
Another thing, they say that Obama is responsible for the Deficit being $16 Trillion. They say he went on a spending spree and practically bankrupted the Nation. The House of Representatives has to approve every penny that the government spends on any and all projects. President Obama could not have gone on a spending spree without the Republican House authorizing each and every penny he spent. The Republican controlled House has not authorized any spending for the President since the Tea Party took over Congress in 2010. Any spending that was authorized were only those things House Republicans wanted to spend money on. Therefore, this $16 Trillion Deficit, of which $10 Trillion was there when Obama took office, is the result of Republican spending.
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TigerLily
Sep. 9th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
GOVERNMENT IS FOR US..the people! YOU CAN’T TAKE IT AWAY. BECAUSE YOU JUST NEVER KNOW! Example #1. Govt helped me. Married an abusive man. Almost killed me and our newborn 2wk old child. We escaped & came home. My mom told me to ask for assistance. I have worked all my life so when this happened I had already been working 12 years. I used the welfare for 2 years. Have worked since and taken care of us since. But their help was there and it helped me and my daughter become independent. Fast forward 10 years. I got a divorce of course. Happily married now. Have #1 son–I call him. Husband gets laid off..during REAGAN YEARS our son gets rare disease that paralysis him from neck down. He’s 22 mos. old. We have no insurance. Govt comes in and my son gets the best care at Children’s hospital from the best doctors but more notably Dr. Scott Hoffinger. THANK Dr. Hoffinger and thank YOU MY GOVERNMENT. Their help saved our son’s life. 1st God answered our prayers because he could of died…then the Govt helped pay the bill. Again, I have always worked. My husband got a job again we worked with our son’s disablities which required years of therapy. He is a fine young man ..a sound engineer. Won gold medals for command performances in classical guitar. I say to you THERE IS A GOD…and our GOVERNMENT IS GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE. Thank you President Obama for caring and understanding that sometimes THINGS OUT OF OUR CONTROL HAPPEN. I never forget that. I thank God, the doctors who did not judge my son because it was welfare paying for his care. I thank the Government for sending in their social worker and letting me know..not to worry. This will be taken care of. Your son will be taken care of. That was my GOVERNMENT AT WORK.
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Brie
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Thank you for sharing that story. I felt Obama made a good point at the at the DNC that government isn’t always the answer – but it is not always the enemy.
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ArtofEpiphany
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 12:32 am
I have no doubt that Ryan is lying…but if I were an uneducated voter who was planning on voting for R/R, this would not dissuade me from doing so. This information is probably far too complex for the average Tea Party voter to understand (frankly, it’s hard even for me to follow and I’m a pretty smart person who follows politics closely) Ryan stuck to his [lying] guns; kept saying the same stuff about helping small businesses and the middle class — never mind that the numbers don’t add up and he’s lying through his teeth — I don’t think GS called him out enough on this stuff to really make the viewer realize, “Hmmm, yes, he IS lying!” PR just kept insisting he was right. Hell, I almost believed him myself! You know the tactic: tell the same lie often enough and people will accept it as truth.
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dr reality check
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 12:59 am
While I’m a Democrat, I don’t like lies in media. I watched the video. What were you talking about? Ryan kept his cool under fire just as Obama does. He didn’t “fall apart”. If you lie about this, how does that make you any better than the candidates you’re against?
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Ken
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 1:14 am
What failed policies of Obama? The Congress, led by this lying bastard is the one keeping Jobs at a slow growth. Obama’s Jobs act would have created 2 million jobs, and the dems had it paid for, but it never got a vote, thanks to Ryan and Boehner. They won’t even give Obama a chance. All republicans are traitors to this country and should be thrown out of office. Never has a Congress acted in such a way. Ryan makes me sick to look at him and to hear his lies is worse. It’s Ryan’s failed non-policies that have kept this nation from growing out of this mess.
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Brie
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Romney recently came out and said that republicans were hoping Obama would succeed – which during RNC week Jon Stewart rightly came out and called “bull f-ing sh-t!” He proceeds to show tape of numerous Fox news shows talking about the Presidents policies have failed – aired only 4-6 weeks after he took office (not to mention Hannity introducing the Obama presidency when he took office with the music from The Omen). The GOP has been saying his policies have failed since a few weeks into his term! It might be asker to believe that the GOP is sincere of their criticism of his policies if their criticism actually started AFTER his policies took effect.
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lars siler
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 1:56 am
Trust the guy on the tax policy details whom doesn’t release his own tax details? What is this Bozo’s Circus for the GOP?
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Christopher
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 2:30 am
he mentioned taking the tax revenue from families and small business, but not one thing about raising taxes on the koch brothers businesses or GE who owns more companies than just about any other entity. so why not raise the taxes on the multibillion dollar corporations.
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Susan
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 3:33 am
He’s says NOTHING about the debt that was created by Bush with two UNFUNDED wars and tax cuts for the wealthy.
He gives absolutely NO substance in his answers. The only thing the GOP are pros at is propaganda. The GOP held Congress has put a strangle hold on the 98%. Every jobs bill put before them has been shot down. Obama is the lowest presidential spender since Eisenhower. Bush handed him the debt bill while he ran out of the WH. Interest doesn’t stop when a new administration takes over its not left with a surplus like Bush was given by Clinton. The republican party can care less about the middle class and the poor. Their actions these last 45 months proves they will sacrifice We The People just to destroy our Presidents reputation. It doesn’t work on me, I’m not an ignorant voter. Wake up and educate yourself on the facts!
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Neo
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 3:36 am
Wow. Just, wow. This guy has no specifics, but not because he doesn’t want to give them, but because he and Romney truly have no plan. Sarah Palin, part II.
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john ross
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 3:46 am
This guy is really scary because He really doesn’t say anything but a lot of people still believe his endless lies.
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Mitchell Gore
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 3:47 am
Ryan is a total joke. He want’s more “flexibility” for states to administer Medicaid (with 2/3rds less money)… yet they run outright lies (as shown by all the fact checkers) about that sort of flexibility Governors requested in administering Welfare means that Obama is eliminating the work requirements in Welfare.
What an utter fraud.
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Robert Henderson
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 4:06 am
This video says everything about how a Romney/Ryan ticket would govern… tax breaks for the wealthy… no regulations… more subsidy for insanely profitable oil companies… no more Social Security… no more Medicare… no more Medicaid… privatization of our education system… the list goes on and on.
Helping care for the “least of” members in a society is the hallmark for any truly “civilized” society. If we can’t manage to care for those with less advantage, then we are far from civilized! Taking from the poor, sick, and elderly to feed wealth to people who are already wealthy beyond imagination is wrong. I don’t like black and white statements, but there is no other way to look at it.
I don’t think that Governor Romney and Congressmen Ryan understand that unless the electorate is given the information we want; WE WON’T VOTE FOR THEM (not that many of the people I know would, even with a release of information).
We want to know exactly what loopholes you are going to close. We want to see your tax returns. We want MORE (by far) information! If you plan on closing loopholes, and you say we will have that conversation and debate with members of the house and senate when we get there… Guess what? We STILL want to know what the loopholes are because, according to our opinion(s) of the loopholes will then effect who we vote for in the legislature based on how they would vote on such a bill! Romney and Ryan won’t risk that though because they can’t afford to lose any votes they would have in the legislature were they to win.
STOP FEEDING US RHETORIC! GIVE US THE INFORMATION! Could he be any more evasive?!
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Tim Covington
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 5:01 am
I noticed the repositioning of the Romney-Ryan campaign in Ryan’s answers which attempt to “reveal” benefits to the Middle class with reductions in entitlement spending targets and closing loopholes which remain mysterious. The Obama administration appears like the champion of the middle and working classes to most Americans outside Virginia. They are wisely trying to reposition themselves as the saviors of the 99%, which has a lot more voters than the 1%.
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Gary Vaughn
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 7:22 am
Ganderle is leaving out facts like Reagan took the debt from800 billion to over 3 trillion bucks, raised tax 11 times and hired government employees to stimulate economy. The Shrub used 3 stimulus and hired over 500 thousand government employees in 01 to stop the recession he caused in his first year. All republicans bitch about Keynesian policies, but use them when the chips are down. P.S. two words Mr. Ryan RAFALCA SHIT.
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B & R
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Our troops are in danger as long as we are there
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NGzak
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
I admit, this isn’t a scholarly source. But, here is a pretty good post that describes Ryan’s Princeton and Harvard studies. It will lead you to the primary sources. http://www.democraticunderground.com/125191603
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Alyx
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 10:42 am
DANCE RYAN DANCE!!! lol
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Brie
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Congress right now can’t get anything done – I think the American public can get behind this truth. So how can a guy say they are going to drastically cut taxes – which will create an even larger budget deficit – and then go and figure out in Congress which loopholes to eliminate (never mind the fact that if you get ride of every loophole/deduction available you still do not make up for lost revenue). What is going to happen here is we are going to see our debt explode (like under the tax cuts of Reagan and Bush – and even Reagan went after loopholes). Congress will come together and quickly (and will have to be quickly) and in agreement as to loophole legislation (yea maybe in an alternate universe). What a crock! Hey even in a fantasy land of where the math works out – you better have your loopholes that make up for the lost revenue ready to be out into place BEFORE you cut taxes – doing otherwise and leaving it up to Congress to figure out especially in the current political climate us irresponsible and a joke.
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JR Williams
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
They ALL lie. How come, according to laws governing advertisements, politicians are allowed to outright lie when advertisers have to tell the truth about their products??? I tend to vote Dem or Libertarian, but it really doesn’t matter who is president because neither party works together anymore. Neither party compromises or tries to do what’s best for America anymore.
Come on Obama! You have to win one more time. Romney/Ryan are NOT the right choice for Americans!!!
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Rudy Gonzales
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
The Ryan-Romney plan is seeded with saving taxes for the very wealthy while not effecting any real tax savings for the middle class. The proposed eliminations are those used by the mega-rich while passing on these expenses to the middle class. A twenty percent across the board cut would place everything we know in jeopardy and take us back to prehistoric times. The pixie dust Romney and Ryan are spreading around about spurring faster economic growth with regulation reduction and less taxation cow’s down to their other stances and 180′s on the issues. The tax breaks team Ryan-Romney would eliminate are those most used by the super affluent and mega-corporations. AMT alone has been proven to be sanctimoniously for the super-rich. In essence every cent should be taxed as ordinary income without any deductions, exceptions or exclusions.
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kidcat24
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
And if the poorest people’s wages had kept up with CEO wages they would be making $23 an hour. Just think how many working poor wouldn’t have to supplement their income with welfare.
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errol54
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Paul Ryan devolves into Gibberish spoken with a thick Bullshit accent when asked about tax plan – I love it…
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cat
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
uuugghh someone shut him up, please. I’m pretty sure he’s just making things up as he goes along
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Lawless1
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
After reading these posts I feel more confident that Obama will win this election. It is always nice for me to read what people are thinking and find out I’m not alone. Thanks everyone…the laughs are great too and few are being insulting.
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Jen
Sep. 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Why doesn’t Paul Crying admit that the republicans have blocked almost everything that Obama has tried to pass; then turn around and call Obama a failure? They’re manipulating the hell out of the country just so they can get back in power and cater to their rich friends.
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Mikey M
Sep. 11th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Their campaign is a mess and Ryan can’t stand up to the big boys.
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Dog
Sep. 12th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
How was Obamacare a backroom deal? I watched it for four hours a day on c-span. Romneyryan lies.
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king gonad
Sep. 15th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
So didn’t Paul Ryan just admit that his whole plan is a crapshoot if their plan relies on having a debate over which loopholes to close, since he doesn’t know which loopholes will be closed (if any)?
Why isn’t this being discussed more? Ask what they plan on doing if Congress doesn’t go along with their strategy.
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John
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Typical George. He is sucha tool. Here he has a chance to real nail Ryan to the wall and he lets Lyin Ryan ramble on and on about totally nonsensical issues. Yes, similar to Palin except that he does not need to so obviously check his cheat sheets. But it is all the same: any question asked, answer is the same: blame Obama. Throw in keywords that make it sound like giving $5 trillion to the super wealthy is a good thing b/c you will close a few loopholes. There are no loopholes for the rich worth $5 trillion, period. The only loopholes that big are the deductions for charitable deductions, health insurance, education, and especially mortgages. Yes, the rich have a chunk of those (especially the latter) but whereas the rich person’s tax cut will far more than cover their loss of the mortgage deduction, for middle class families the loss of the mortgage deduction will result in a far bigger tax bill overall. Why the non t-bagger republicans can’t figure this out I cannot tell.
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John
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Also remember Reagan promised the same thing (with a much smaller tax cut and much more personality) and it never worked. Why, because cuts in the Federal budget had to be made up by local and state budgets. As he forced more and more costs onto local and state governments which tend to have regressive tax structures, any saving the Middle Class made in Federal taxes was eaten up by the rise of state and local taxes. Net effect: the rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and the Middle Class was left holding the bag. LOL they will never learn.
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Tony Markey
Sep. 16th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Wow – is it me or did Ryan argue against his own plan early in his argument? Here:
Ryan: … “High-income earners use most of the loopholes. That means they can shelter their income from taxation. But if you take those loopholes, those tax shelters away from high-income earners, more of their income is subject to taxation. And that allows us to lower tax rates on everybody — small businesses, families, economic growth.”
I seriously thought the next thing out of his mouth might be: “Obama 2012!”
http://www.tonymarkey.info/scary-vp.html
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