Mitt Romney’s lawyer admitted to the Democratic accusation that the Romneys could have paid a lot less in taxes in 2011, but they manipulated the returns so as to conform to an August Romney claim that he always paid at least 13%.
The AP reported:
But, Brad Malt acknowledged, the couple “limited their deductions of charitable contributions to conform to the governor’s statement in August, based on the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13 percent in income taxes in each of the last 10 years.”
If you were wondering why Romney dumped his tax returns on Friday a week before they were due, we’re told it’s because he didn’t want the issue to muddy the debate waters. However, he has done nothing but hand Democrats a justification for their tax the rich a bit more policies. Mitt Romney’s taxes are becoming the poster child example of all that is wrong with our current tax codes.
One reason Romney pays so little is that most of his income comes from capital gains, rather than “income” and is thus taxed at a much lower rate. He also takes advantage of tax shelters and loopholes that have been the target of the Obama administration. The fact that Romney pays so little seems at odds with his disdain for the “47 percent” of Americans he claims don’t pay any taxes, and further at odds with his expression that he feels more Americans would like to pay taxes. After all, Mitt Romney clearly doesn’t like paying taxes.
Tax experts point out that Romney’s returns are missing a few details:
What’s missing, tax experts say, are the details of Romney’s retirement account from Bain Capital, including investments in offshore accounts in Bermuda and the Cayman Islands.
Another factor thrown into the mix is the fact that Romney’s 20 year average of his taxes is a “simple one (i.e., the average of the percentage in each year) rather than a weighted one (i.e., where you add up all the tax paid across the 20 years and divide it by all the income).”
It’s a potentially important difference because the simple average treats each year equally — whether Romney earned, say, $5 million in that year or $30 million. It is especially important if Romney paid a low tax rate in a year in which he earned a lot but paid a high tax rate in years when he earned less. The weighted average would give a more accurate picture.
Romney told us that paying more than he owed would disqualify him from the presidency, but he has now paid more than he owed in order to make his earlier statement about never paying below 13% appear to be true. Not to worry, though, Mitt Romney can merely amend his return after the election in order to get that money back from the government, like any 47%-er would want to do.
Harry Reid points out in a statement from his office, “That raises the question: what else in those returns has Romney manipulated?”
As our former President warned us, “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
Thanks, W. We’ll try to keep that in mind.





Beverly
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Once again Mitt gives us more questions than answers.
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Darryl
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
No, no questions left at all.
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Tom
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 11:31 pm
romney = lost?
the plot thickens
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RJ
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 8:09 am
Don’t forget about voters who will vote for Romney NO MATTER WHAT just because “he’s not Obama”.
Even after all that’s come to light the past few weeks, the lies that have been debunked, the hypocrisy that’s been revealed, the horrendous gaffes, the Repub scheming and trickery that’s been revealed, there are still an amazing amount of voters cheering “Romney! Romney!” He could get caught on video shoving an elderly woman with a walker out of his way in the street and it will not deter their vote for him—in fact if anything, they’d just find a way to blame the shove on Obama.
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TDBRLVR
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
That, me dear, is because the Dems keep throwing up things that don’t matter – not in this election! What matters in this election is that Romney is not trying to ruin our country like the Great Divider is! He’s not trying to give it to the Muslim extremists like President Cry-Baby is! First we save our country… THEN we’ll worry about Romney owing more taxes! (BTW – what about Geitner and a slew of other lefties who have already been determined to owe more and haven’t lifted a finger to pay a single penny, although we’re still paying them??)
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Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm
What things that dont matter?
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fedded-up
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Do you have the slightest concept, the barest inkling of how incredibly STUPID you sound? You have projected so badly its like something you would read in MAD magazine.
Obama has ruined nothing. He pulled this country back from the brink of economic catastrophe in 2008, caused by the UNBELIEVABLE STUPIDITY, GREED, AND THEFT allowed by….guess who?
Obama is not the Great Divider – your candidate IS. (47% ring a bell???????) The ONLY way that Obama could get tagged with that label is that the fact that he’s black is putting a whole bunch of GOP bigots’ knickers in a giant twist.
Give WHAT to WHAT MUSLIMS, you ass?
Ahhh, you’re not worth arguing with.
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Jane
Sep. 26th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Whenever someone types a paragraph of drivel like that I know to discount them.
You may not like the president, and you may have many valid reasons not to like his policies. But you can come up with something else other than he’s a muslim extremist or wants to eat babies.
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Rocky in texas said...
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Mitt Romney has been consumed by greed…
He’s so greedy that he sometimes tracks his off-shore money at campaign stops on a board that he calls a “Debt Clock”…
Debt Clock my ass…
That’s Romneys off-shore money that he’s keeping an eye on to make sure no one is trying to steal some of it.
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mjh
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
“Look at those clouds. It’s beautiful,” he said, pointing to the sky. “Look at those things.”
Those are storm clouds, Mitt. And they’re gathering over your campaign.
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Deanne
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
I seem to recall that the estimate they originally gave was $20 million.
It’s not uncommon for ‘notarized’ documents to be corrected/changed/renotarized. In the world of accounting/taxes/legal — errors, omissions, changes occur.
It was extremely interesting to hear on both Al Sharpton’s show and the Ed Show on MSNBC on Friday, I believe his name was John Cay Johnston made reference and explained that there is a difference in the word ‘owed’ taxes which appears in the summary and the word ‘paid’ taxes, which does not. He advised he contacted the Romney campaign and asked and they would not respond
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Brooklyn Dame
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 4:36 pm
I’m hoping that with this latest revelation he’s toast. He’s insulted everyone from the Brits, Russians, Polish Labour Party, lower-wealth South American countries and the Palestinians overseas — and at least 47% of the people here with his nonsense.
http://borderlessnewsandviews.com/2012/09/on-behalf-of-mi-gente-sod-off-mitt-romney/
The problem still remains that even within the 47%, too many are too quick to believe that they’re just one notch below 1% so a vote for Mitt is, to them, a vote for their own best interests.
http://borderlessnewsandviews.com/2012/09/i-hate-to-break-it-to-you-but-they-dont-consider-you-one-of-them-part-i-working-class/
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Cynthia R Standard
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
*a shovel digging a bigger hole*
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Reynardine
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Something about the Romneys has me starting to memorize the words and tune both of “The Carmagnole”.
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PMom_GA
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Missing everywhere in the discussion are 3 facts yet to be discussed: 1) the 20 year average statement notes STATE AND FEDERAL TAXES COMBINED, with 20.2% “federal”, 2) Romney earned regularly taxed income from Bain from 1990 to at least 2002 (director’s fees to my knowledge are taxed at regular rates, not capital gains) and 3) that capital gains taxes were much higher prior to 1997. (See chart here for cap gains historical rates: http://forbestadvice.com/Money/Taxes/Federal-Tax-Rates/Historical_Federal_Capital_Gains_Tax_Rates_History.html )
Excerpt-pertinent years sales/caps — key column is last 1.
1991-92 31.90% 31.90% $82,150 28.90%
1993-96 43.70% 40.80% $250,000 29.20%
1997-2000 43.70% 40.80% $275,000 21.20%
2001 43.20% 40.30% $297,350 21.20%
2002 42.70% 39.80% $307,050 21.20%
2003-05 39.00% 36.10% $311,950 16.10%
2006-07 38.60% 35.70% $336,550 15.70%
2008-09 38.30% 35.40% $357,700 15.40%
2010-12 37.90% 35.00% $373,650 15%
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So the 20 year average for 1990-2009 is not as high as one would be led to believe it should be given the fact that for at least 7 of the 20 years, Romney had income taxable at the regular IRS tax rate, which for his bracket would be considerably above 30%.
And that’s why I have problems with the 20 year statement – completely lacks contextual info and ignores the fact that that rate consists of 2 types of income and tax rates.
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Richard
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 10:54 pm
What is important is not Mitt’s taxes but why Obama is missing from his duties, getting paid for campaigning and not doing his job?! Why is it ok for Obama to hid his Birth Certificate behind a forged copy, Why was his Socialistic background not revealed to the public, why Obama’s school record not open to public scrutiny? Why Obama’s tax history for the last 20 years open for public comment Why did Obama ignore Israel request (Obama afraid of “Brotherhood”) Why has the State Department put a know “gay” as ambassador in a Muslim country and why was so little protection given. Remember WW2, our ammo lockers were lock in order to not cause problems with Japan, same situation here.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 11:21 pm
LOL!
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Paul
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 11:56 pm
o please are your for real! dang the guys been president for 3 years that is not every going to change pleas get a pillow and lie down i think you mite be a bit ill.
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heab
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 11:58 pm
You sir, are a nutjob.
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kohl
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 12:10 am
Why are your facts wrong and can’t you spell?
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FuckRomney
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Sir, facts have no place in the republican agenda. How will they ever win this race when all that facts point to them being the main cause of our national dilemma. Lies, misrepresentation, and total utter bullshit are what drive these right wing idiots to believe they are in the right. Why use facts when the sheep will follow lies? also it takes an education higher then kindergarten to spell correctly. :)
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acey49
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 12:43 am
Just another Fox News viewer here.
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Lea
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
That moron can’t even blame Fox. He hasn’t turned off Rush long enough to catch Fox.
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crystalwolflady
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 am
Get a grip! put down the crack pipe! Turn off fox snooze.
You might come back to reality!
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wallE
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:28 am
wow! you are freaking nutty.
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Joel
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:34 am
^^^ Folks, this is your brain on Fox News.
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tim
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 am
Dick, you’re seriously koo-koo bananas & a traitor to the strong liberal history of America, starting with the founders of the nation.
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Darrell Jabin
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 11:55 am
Richard – what reality are you in? The birth issue was solved by the Supreme Court years ago and organizations that check political facts showed Obamas decisions have no communist idealism. Your statements should stand up to logic reasoning and facts, if not they are no better than spreading lies and fantasies!
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Boohickey
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
That’s not a nut job there, that’s a SHILL, blowing smoke and trying to muddy the waters. “Don’t look at this elephant, look OVER THERE!”
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Debbie
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Oh, my goodness. For crying out loud, turn off Rush and Fox “News” and get a check on your blatant, wanton ignorance. You are an ass.
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rsemry1
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
are u like the rest of the cloth coat repubs that R willing, to vote against ur own interests just to get a black pres out of WH? or are u one of the 1%? whichever it is! ur not very knowledgeable! watching too much FAUX I GUESS! # RACIST #Hatred
#Greedy #All ForTheWealthy REPIGS!!!
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kevin
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
really richard?
you are one of those going to vote for romney just because it is not obama………..ha ha ha ha ha you make me laugh……….do you really know what you are getting into? open your eyes my friend cuz if romney gets into office , our world as we know it will end……..just step back , drop all of your prejudices , and look at the man and what he represents……..he does not represent you, me , or any one else but his greed and the corporations that are backing him solely on the fact that he will fatten their bank accounts. think about it…….with him in there we , the working class , who , by the way pay for all of this will be done…….then ask yourself…….who will pay the bill then????????
do you think the one percent will? honestly?
what ever happened to the people? US?
how can you have a true opinion when you hold such prejudice and are wearing blinders………
wake up and smell the coffee……….both sides are blowing smoke up our ass. there in lies the problem………we cannot continue to vote for the better of two evils, it just doesn’t work that way and cannot continue to go that way.
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Don
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
1) The birther issue is dead. Stop beating that debunked horse.
2) You obviously have no idea what the definition of socialism is.
3) last time I checked PRESIDENT Obama has met with both Israel and Palestine leaders. Do provide information where he has ignored any foreign nation.
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xlandria
Sep. 24th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
He’s doing the ignore bit right now. Claims he refuses to be pushed around by him. B.S. He & Michelle has an appearance on The View. He isn’t at the UN Conference either. That’s OK, he sold the US representative spot to the wife of a Jewish Billionaire supporter in exchange for a column praising Obama & a million dollar donation. Her qualifications? Well she works for the good of women & children & wrote about Women & their self worth. Very admiral, really, but not for this position. Reminds me of his vacated Senate Seat.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 24th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
He did go to the conference. And he is ignoring no one.. Do you take care of his scheduling and phone calls?
No, your just the hater as expected.
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1voice1vote
Sep. 24th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
“Very admiral” That’s Commander in Chief to you, private. Oh, did you mean admirable?
You remind us how important a good education is, xland. Education is an issue that our President values and supports. It’s one of the many reasons that I support him.
Uncle Argyle speaking to the young William Wallace in “Braveheart”:
“First, learn to use this (your mind), then I’ll teach you to use this (a sword).” (A lesson Mr. Netanyahu would be wise to heed.)
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Mikal
Sep. 27th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Excuse me….Hillary started the Birther issue….
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timmmahhhh
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 2:33 pm
HAHAHA – you know your candidate stinks but you can’t admit it so you beat up on the qualified person. You people are pathetic traitors.
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BiggaNYou
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 8:05 pm
LOL! I didn’t even finish reading this comment because I started laughing out loud. Too funny. The truth of the matter is people spouting this rhetoric are simply cowards. Don’t hide behinde Faux Noise talking points. Be a man and call Obama a nigger. I’d have more respect for you if you were “openly” racist instead of “closeted”.
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CB
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Brother, it just kills them that they can’t say that out loud- but they all know their dog-whistles…
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Newsjunkie
Sep. 26th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
So sorry you are still living in your fantasy world. Another one who doesn’t know there are ways to check facts before you post things that show your ignorance.
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sugapea
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
A lesson on Private Equity and Capital Gains that few Voters understand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rodifJlis2c
And very Interesting…A Story of Greed.
“When Mitt Romney Came to Town”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrKlj4Q3nSQ&feature=related
Hope Obama will hit Romney at the Debates…on how Mitt actually made all that money!
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david lee vines jr.
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 5:44 pm
rommneys wife looks like a typical lush all the time,dont know if it because of meds or booze!!
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Darrell Jabin
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 11:59 am
David – that type of innuendo is uncalled for! She has a medical condition and may be impacted by medications. You can disagree with Mitt Romney and his views without making accusations about his wife.
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david lee vines jr.
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
rommneys wife looks like she is on something all the time.
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James the Baker
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
She has to be using drugs. How else could she stand to be married to that worm?
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david lee vines jr.
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
anne rommney allways seems to be distant.
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david lee vines jr.
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 5:50 pm
i think if the rommney/ryan ticket gets in the first thing to go will be the earned income credit.
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Game of Life
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
I would like to know if his 100k IRA is included?
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RoughAcres
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 3:25 pm
That’s the wrong letter behind the $100. Should be m, not k.
M=MILLIONS
K=THOUSANDS
If it were k, the amount would be unremarkable.
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George Phillips
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Romney is good at changing the facts to his advantage and then going back later and making more changes to make the first change correct. He did that in Massachusetts on his tax returns to qualify to run as Governor… He uses the same tactics when he tells the story he left Bain in 1999, yet documents show differently.. He loves to use the word retroactively when he gets caught in a lie…
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Heidi
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 6:57 pm
This Man is losing it, what a person will do so that he can have a job he clearly doesn’t deserve
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Shawn4145
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Actually he made his money legally and he won’t release past returns to not show how unfair the tax system is with all the loopholes and not having to pay much taxes. He does not want the public to know how much more money he has made since Obama took office compared to when Bush was president.
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mike2131
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
What is everyone complaining about? He paid his taxes and paid the necessary amount, he also donated 4 million to charity. Why are these taxes such a big effing deal, he paid more in taxes this year than most of you who are complaining will pay in your entire lifetime.
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ScottWA
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 12:45 am
“What is everyone complaining about? He paid his taxes and paid the necessary amount, he also donated 4 million to charity. Why are these taxes such a big effing deal, he paid more in taxes this year than most of you who are complaining will pay in your entire lifetime.”
The big deal is that he pays a lower rate on the money he makes than the people who’s jobs he ships overseas making it. So he pays less than he costs the country in taxes by eliminating hard working American jobs. He isn’t saving lives or something heroic, he uses the valuation of companies as the security to do takeovers and then loads them with debt and eliminates the employees and dumps them for more profit as the company goes through it’s death throws from the money he extrracted from them that they can’t pay back… but you can blame it on the unions.
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EducatingAmericans
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
If Romney gets away with his foolishness,the joke is on the American public who lets him get by with such shoddy ethics and disdain for America.
We have a media who sits around and posts every bit of nonsense coming from the Romney Campaign without questioning or researching the facts. I am sure at other private meetings of Romney’s millionaires and billionaires, they get a good laugh at how gullible the press is and how dumb the average American is for depending on what they hear or read in the news.
No wonder the Koch Brothers, Romney, Adelson, and others are against Education and Teachers, Policeman and Firefighters, building roads, bridges, improving air quality, etc. Once they remove common American values and ways and means of earning honest wages for services necessary to build a strong community, they can control the direction of America and close the door to the middle-class.
Ann and Mitt Romney flouts their wealth, keep their income and bank accounts secret and says to “you people” we are not going to show you, just trust what we say? Too many Americans are comfortable with that attitude, rather than being outraged that they would have the audacity to insult our intelligence in such a condescending manner!
Romney has released 2 years of incomplete tax returns and a nonsense estimate of 20 years of returns as a candidate for President of the United States and he is still a serious contender??
What the polls don’t show and will not show,is what the “silent majority” really thinks about Romney and Friends and their attempt to take over the White House, buy America, and call the shots.
Those making $200–$250 million will greatly improve their bottom line, “you people” if you think you are bad off now, wait and see what is in store!
Do your research on the “big business” of the Mormon Church that Romney so faithfully tithes to! They are waiting in the wings to multiply their holdings a thousand-fold!
Join the silent majority,…
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Jeremy
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 8:48 pm
It absolutely LUDICROUS to report that Romney’s lawyer admits they manipulated his tax return to show he paid more than 13%. A lawyer would never do that unless he wants to get disbarred for breaching client privacy and privileges. This IS A LIE AND COMPLETE IRRESPONSIBLE JOURNALISM!!!!! Actually, THIS IS NOT JOURNALISM but fiction and propaganda. Utterly shameful.
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Charles
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Do you have proof or a source? I mean of course besides the voices in your head.
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Mychyl
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Jeremy, put down the Faux-Aid and open your eyes for the briefest of moments.
There’s three separate links to external sources in the article. I’d recommend reading those before claiming that this is “bad journalism” and has “no sources”.
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LauraS
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
oh, u mean like the republicans… always making statements that aren’t factual? Gee, how does it feel when the shoe is on the other foot, hmmm?
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Andy
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Actually, it’s not a breach of attorney/client privilege if all the documents involved are a matter of public record which tax returns and donations clearly are. Romney may even have instructed the attorney to come forward before the Left had an opportunity to *really* lambast him for unethical behavior. It’s not appropriate to call someone a liar when you don’t know all the facts. Also, this isn’t the only news source reporting this incident. I would be more careful about naming something propaganda just because it shows someone we support in a negative light. If Romney were more willing to take responsibility for his mistakes he could potentially be received more warmly by moderate and undecided voters.
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MJSEV
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 10:16 pm
If Romney loses the election, after the election is over Romney may direct his tax preparer to file an amended return to recover the overpaid amount.
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ScottWA
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 12:47 am
Or if he wins… either way he’ll get his money back.
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Jason Easley
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 10:24 pm
We had a little glitch with the comment section, but everything is fine now. Sorry for comments being down for a bit.
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ibwilliamwsi
Sep. 22nd, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Let me put this in language that Conservative baggers can understand:
‘What is the meaning of “no”?’ (Bill Clinton Re: Did you have sexual relations with that woman?)
“It’s a potentially important difference because the simple average treats each year equally — whether Romney earned, say, $5 million in that year or $30 million. It is especially important if Romney paid a low tax rate in a year in which he earned a lot but paid a high tax rate in years when he earned less. The weighted average would give a more accurate picture.”
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RoughAcres
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
For example, if he paid 5% on the 5 million, and 10% on the 1 million, and 15% on $500,000….
His total earnings would be $6.5 million, and his 3-year average tax rate, 10%, or $650,000.
His tax paid would be $250,000 + $100,000 + $75,000 = $425,000.
That’s an ACTUAL rate of about 6%, by my calculations.
Got it?
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Farmerjoe
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 am
It is important because he has lied in the past about his returns (2002) and only came clean when backed into a corner.. all the while saying he was above board and you just needed to take his word for it. He is saying the same thing now, and I’m sorry, but given his record… we want to verify it ourselves, not just take his word for it. He claims he won’t release his returns because he values his privacy. Well, if he values his privacy so much, then he really shouldn’t be running for public office. I believe the American people are getting tired of this game he is playing and has played most of his life.
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Welfare Queens, Welfare Queens Everywhere!
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:23 am
LOL! I love seeing all these parasitic worms count another man’s money as if they had any right to a penny of it! It’s like living in 1917 Russia!
Your stupidity and frothing envy for the property of others is going to destroy this “nation” of lazy freeloaders, money lenders, and lawyers, and good riddance to the lot of you. How a human being can become so immoral, so degenerate, so vile as to demand institutionalized theft just to avoid honest work is beyond my grasp. My only hope is that you filthy chattel live as long as possible to wallow in the misery you create with your shortsighted greed before your final judgment, but of course the elites will use your beloved Socialized Medicine to abort you useful idiots right off the face of the Earth in no time.
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fedded-up
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Ah, the delusional right wing has invaded…wassamatter baby? Feeling a little like…you’re losing? Maybe because you are? Yeah, that’s what I thought. That’s where the bad case of ugly potty-mouth comes from, huh? Hard to defend gold-plated asswipes, isn’t it? Me? Soooo much work to do – gotta go figure out how to steal more money from all you silver spooners – ta ta.
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gregg
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
what are you on? I mean really, was this at all called for?
May the fleas of a Thousand Camels infest thy armpits!
Now, do ya feel better?
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deployed
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:26 am
This article does nothing but fule the class warfare agument. I dont care how rich he is. Can he get our country out of debt and lead us out of another war. something the current POTUS has done the oposit of.
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tim
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 am
No he can’t, you illiterate slob. All Mittens will do is make himself & the Koch Brothers pay even less tax than they already do, make you pay even more, & burn the country to the ground until all of those dystopian, ugly, environmentally disastrous visions of the country that you’ve seen in the movies comes to pass.
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fedded-up
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Unbelievable – fule (sic) the class warfare agument (sic)??????? Are you on crack or simply illiterate? Truth seems to be an argument that hurts, apparently. I guess it doesn’t bother you that your hoped-for president pays an effective tax rate on his millions far less than any average joe out there – well, it bothers ME. Its immoral. It may be technically legal, but that does NOTHING to render it either moral or RIGHT. Second – can he get our country out of debt? DUHHHHHHHHHH. Gee, yeah, I’m sure Willard’s stated plan of extending the Bush tax cuts that made him and his cronies very very very happy, since these cuts mainly benefit the obscenely wealthy may make sense to you, since you’re not playing with a full deck. But it cuts ZERO ice with ME. Having House Republicans block EVERY effort to raise revenue was great fun – also got the U.S. credit downgraded – but hey, don’t let me interfere with your delusional bullshit notions. Third – can he lead us out of another war???????? DUHHHHHHHHHH. Obama is NOT the one hyping another war, you insufferable ASS. Clean out your ears or STFU – you’re wasting perfectly good DNA by being a dumbass.
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RoughAcres
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 3:36 pm
That’ll win hearts and minds.
Or not.
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fedded-up
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Most have no heart and very little mind. I’m getting a tad tired of me play nice and get spat upon by racist scumbags – the gloves are off. Not apologizing for having an opinion anymore.
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JESS Kalinowsky
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 2:05 am
One would think that claiming to be a big Christian, “Thou shall not lie”, Mr. Romney should rethink his honesty. He las lost any vote for integrity. He simply has no touch with average Americans and essentially written off 7% of the population. Hopefully that 47% will vote for Progressives and not for Regressive’s!
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DJ
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 9:48 am
Amen Jess!!!
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Kristyn
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
He is NOT a Christian, he is a Mormon…big difference.
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gregg
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
thought he was Mormon
not the same as Christian
or don’t ya know
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Carter
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 2:12 am
Obama is becoming Jimmy Carter.
Jimmy thought he was winning in 1980 too….
What bothers me is the left’s inability to mentally fathom that other people could possible disagree with them.
The liberals talk like if only voters weren’t retarded they would see everything exactly as liberals would like them too.
The end result is a bunch of people who think they are smarter than everyone else and gradually lose touch with reality. Obama is losing this election. He is tied in polls of likely voters and undecideds break 2:1 for the challenger.
But liberals talk as though they are not actually in a tight race.
Imagining you are winning or that Romney paid 40% of his money to either government or charity isn’t a massive win for liberals.
Crying that someone intentionally paid more taxes than the minimum owed is like the 5 year olds who cry unfair when they think they were so cleaver and learn that they lost.
As a democrat this trend of having the far left lose touch of reality is very troubling. When W made it though the GOP I was very very unimpressed and with Obama I feel exactly the same way.
Anyway Hillary 2016
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fedded-up
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
That’s because, statistically speaking, we ARE smarter. Apparently, you have a serious problem reading poll results too. You have my deepest sympathy. Bugger off.
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NotFalling
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 2:18 am
Mitt Romney is still the best candidate by far between him and the current president.
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MikeK
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
I don’t see it that way:
1) One reason for Mitt’s expected success as president is that he ran a successful business. I disagree that being a good businessman and being a good president are synonymous. The Public Sector works the opposite of private business. In a Private Sector business the CEO is accountable for making a profit for your shareholders. In the public sector you aren’t trying to make a profit. Using the same tactics in the Public Sector as in the Private Sector will not work, or at worse, damage the government.
2) One can argue that he was a good businessman and successfully ran his business. But at what cost to the families and employees that he turned out on the streets? If that is his Mode of Operation in business, what will he be like as the CEO of the USA? We already have problems with unemployment: 25% for graduating college students, something like 40% for African Americans.
3) Following his vague plan for changing the tax code will make the deficit skyrocket like nobody’s business.
I see him as the worse choice between the current President and Mitt Romney.
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RD
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 2:39 am
I’ve never seen so many Obama sheep in one place. Romney isn’t perfect, but Obama has proven that he is nothing more than an incompetent liar that is in over his head. But he has gotten so used to the popularity and fame of the presidency that he can’t live without it. Even if the country fails because of it. I just hope that all of you sheep teach your kids and grandkids how to work hard and expect to work until death because after Obama is done, they will be the ones responsible for the massive debt that king Obama has created.
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Oh really?
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Clearly having a dow jones at close to an all time high counts as nothing in your eyes.
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fedded-up
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
I’m really getting tired of all this projection. Wow, this story must have REALLY pissed off the GOPTP!!! Woo hoo! Truth hurts so bad, don’t it? King Turds of Liar Mountain? That would be YOUR team, not mine – I believe if you check with any independent fact-checker out there, the truth shall set you free!! Or, knowing how you guys operate, probably not. Truth doesn’t seem to matter too much to anyone in GOPTP land.
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MikeK
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Can you please cite some specifics of your accusations? I hear people on the right making this statement over and over, but without citing facts. What has he lied about?
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Ray
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 2:52 am
This is a totally dishonest story. First, the left says the rich don’t pay enough, and their greedy. Then we see that Romney gave $4 million dollars to charity and $2 million dollars in taxes, pays MORE than he legally had to…. and gets attacked for that.
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DJ
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 9:46 am
I am from taxachusettes (Massachusetts)…..We all hate Romney here….He taxed us to death to the max here!!! We definitely don’t want him as our president….Ya and as far as giving that charity money away…where do think that money comes from? US!!!! He takes our tax money and shows it goes to charity…What about giving it back to the people he stole our own money from…..
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Brocas Area
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 8:22 am
It’s clear most people reading this and apparently many voters are more inclined to micro-manage other people’s lives and give up personal freedom. Clinton’s staff campaign poster proclaiming “It’s the economy, stupid” is so far off the mark at this point. It’s really freedom, stupid. The economy can always be re-built in a free country. Freedom is not quite so easy to take back. Ask the Syrians or many other groups of people oppressed by ruthless dictators. While current leaders of the socialist movement in America may not justify these monickers, they are clearly establishing a framework for ruthless dictators whether intentional or not.
If you value freedom, stop talking about taxes and wealth and start talking about and fighting for your freedom to talk about taxes and wealth or you will lose it. Most importantly, vote for people more likely to support freedom and less government intervention. Corporations have money. Governments have guns, courts, and prisons. Who would you rather argue with?
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Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 8:34 am
I find your reference to a “socialist” movement refreshing and honestly, hilarious
The framework for a dictatorship is in the representatives, state federal and local that are following the edicts of the fundie religious freaks. You know who they are.
ATM the corporations such as Visa are having the government legally putting people in prison for owing them money. read up on it. Its not a choice on who I would rather argue with
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Nogromix
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 8:42 am
Isn’t this TAX FRAUD? Oh wait: Rmoney is a wealthy Republican, so everyone knows he’s above the law.
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Anne
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
The Romney defenders don’t seem to appreciate the irony of someone who is secretive about his taxes but wants to be in the position of determining the tax rates for the people whose president he wants to be. The fact that he wants to decrease taxes even more for the already wealthy, which would entail increasing taxes for the rest of us and gutting the safety net programs, is more than enough reason to vote against him. Plus, his 47% remarks show a contempt not just for Democrats but also for the very non-wealthy folks who plan to vote for him.
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Jeff Brailey
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
He’s a crook, no better than a mafia don.
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Syndee
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
does this mean he might be guilty of tax fraud????
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Vicki
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I honestly think that all those Republicans that will vote for Romney even after all that has come out on him, is all racially motivated. They have hated him from day 1 and have vowed to throw him out of office. Why else would they be so adamant about everything? Nobody, before the 2008 elections, ever fathom that we would have a black President and we do they don’t like it. Oh, by the way, I am white.
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bill
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
seems to me that to alter a official government document is a federal offense ….. charge him with or SHUT-UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Good god Bill, read. Romney didnt take all his deductions so that his payment would be higher and he could say he paid more. His OWN lawyer admitted to it.
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Ms. Jay Sheckley
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
He can still amend his return to pay less
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RoughAcres
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
This is like photoshopping your profile pic to airbrush the acne scars, slim down the nose, slim down the torso and legs…. all to make yourself look better than you really are in person.
No difference. STILL A LIE.
Can the (R) not HELP THEMSELVES??
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Barbara Weaver
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Just gotta say this. I don’t intend to post any more of these comments to my wall. Romney is doing such a good job of destroying himself that it just seems way too snarky to add to it.
But I certainly wish there were more of these that are pointed directly at states where the Tea Party took control! Without getting some true Republicans and more Democrats back into the Senate and House, Obama can once again have his hands tied.
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Kent
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Nice to hear all the comments, but VOTE Democrats, VOTE. VOTE like you are a tea partying zealot! …and get out the vote!
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Angry Mobster
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
I could care less what Romney does with his money.
I do care what Obama does with mine.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
What Romney does with his life is an indication of what he will do as president. And he bets against the US with much of his money
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gregg
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 5:31 pm
OMG people
READ – it’ll change your world, that is if you CAN read
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Some Dude
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 5:33 pm
This is fascinating. Let me see if I have this right:
1. Romney took less deductions, thus paying more than his legal fair shake, and that makes him a liar, crook, thief, and somehow in violation of the tax code. And paying all of that money to charity, which he has done for decades, also makes him evil.
2. If someone disagrees with the job the President has done, and feels that a change is in order, that automatically makes one a racist.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
No one is saying his charity is bad, becuase he is OBLIGATED by his church to give that money. The mormons took the Osmonds to the bank heavily.
He didnt take his allowed deductions simply to make it look as if he pays a higher percentage. Once the election is over win lose or draw he will file a revised tax for45 and get all that money he missed out on to start with. In other words he did it just to look good and will recoup the cash. What else is he hiding?
2nsd, the answer to your child like question is no. However is opne hangs with bigots, talks like bigots where in innuendo or any other way, or talks in a manner that will make him appear to align himself with bigots, yes you could say they are one.
Think ahead
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CarlH
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
It seems to me that the best the GOP can hope for now is to hold onto the House and keep it close in the Senate… I see Mitt’s candidacy as essentially over as of now. Republican down-ballot candidates across the country are essentially running AGAINST their presidential nominee… The best that the GOP can do now is keep pumping money into the race to keep the DNC busy and prevent them from shifting resources into House and Senate and Governor’s races across the country. It will be interesting to see where the Republican Super Pacs put their money over the next 6 weeks. One thing’s for sure–there will be an AVALANCHE of advertising and spokespeople muddying the waters! There will also be LOTS of long lines in urban areas as the votes are cast… I believe that the DNC will host voting festivals with food, music, water and shade for those standing in long lines in battle ground states all across the country…
Here’s my prediction… Obama 53.5% (@320 Electoral votes) versus Romney 45.5% (@220 Electoral votes).
The real question is what happens in the states and in the House and Senate… I think that Romney is going to hurt the GOP in these races and the Democrats will pick up some Senate seats and cut down the lead of the Republicans in the House. Nationwide, governorships are a real question mark in my mind…
Of course–the next several weeks could see Israel attack Iran and throw the region (and the world) into chaos… A huge dose of international crisis and fear could upset things–but barring this (or something like this), I think my prediction holds… What do you think? We’ll know in just 43 days!
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Larry Colin
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 8:12 pm
The real truth is R-MONEY can amend his return for up to 3 years so this is not really his tax return. His return is what he amends it to be. And I am betting he takes all the deductions he is entitled to. So we still have not seen his final 2011 tax return. So this brings the question as to why would he lie about his true tax liability? And what else is he lying about? Why would we believe a confirmed liar? Sorry R-MONEY but you failed the employment application. You will NOT be hired.
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Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 9:12 pm
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Orlando Montoya
Sep. 23rd, 2012 at 11:55 pm
When did…
1) ….Educated people become so unfamiliar with small business that they began to believe that a company will practically build itself as long as the government provides roads, street signs, and police?
2) …Freedom change from something we should all be seeking to something we’re supposed to be terrified to face without the government holding our hands?
3) …We stop asking, “Can we afford this?” along with “Is this a good idea?” when it comes to government programs?
4) …Demanding that people come to this country legally if they want to stay here and become citizens become too much to ask?
5) ….We start rewarding victims so richly for victimhood that we have to wonder if every unseen hate crime is real or a staged charade to receive public sympathy?
6) …Sticking to the Constitution and living within our means become “extremism?”
7) …The job of the press change from reporting the news to doing everything it can to help the Democratic Party?
8) …It become okay to sue a company because some moron knowingly did something dangerous with the company’s product and hurt himself? That’s not negligence; it’s Darwinism at work.
9) …Protecting some barren tundra in Alaska become worth more than thousands of jobs, billions of dollars in wealth created, and lower prices at the pump for the American people?
10) ….Hollywood change from supporting the troops in foreign wars to undercutting the war and smearing the troops as dangerous, mentally unstable drones?
11) …We stop caring if government programs worked or not as long as they sound compassionate?
12) …Virginity, chastity, and believing marriage should be for life become “old fashioned?”
13) …Witty sound bites start becoming more important than wise words?
14) …We come to believe that we would never have to pay off our debt?
15) …The comfort of Americans today start to become more important than giving future generations an…
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1voice1vote
Sep. 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
A copy and paste of a bad FW: Fwd: FDW email, wow. laughable.
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Brad
Sep. 24th, 2012 at 10:26 am
I love how they ind with a quote for “W” “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
How many times have the union members called on President Obama to honor his pledge from 2008 and walk the picket lines with them while President and he failed to honor that promise? Wisconsin Government Employees, Chicago teachers strike…..Do you think they will be fooled again and support the Man with no integrity who does not honor his words? aka Pres Obama.
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Belinda Fall
Sep. 24th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Intriguing story. I am aware that there are a lot of ways one can manipulate taxes. In other articles I’ve read, the ones who usually commit these ingenious crimes are those who studied in the field or those who have been in the system before. They know their way in the taxing stint that is why it is easy for them to manipulate.
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NotFalling
Sep. 25th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
No, voting for the current president again would be insane in my opinion. Same actions, same outcomes. It’s probably especially a good idea to vote for Romney if this is the worst we can find about the guy and since he’s the only other real choice (unless I decide not to vote). I’d take my chances with the non-incumbent instead of the president who is just as bad and in many ways worse than W. Really, good luck..
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