Mitt Romney is telling so many lies at the first presidential debate with Barack Obama that we had to take a half time break. Here are Romney’s 5 biggest lies of the first half of the debate.
1). Mitt Romney claims he is not cutting taxes for the wealthy
Romney actually began the debate completely reinventing his tax plan. Romney claimed that his tax plan isn’t a $5 trillion tax cut. However, yesterday his own running mate Paul Ryan touted Romney’s 20% tax cut across the board.
Ryan said, “And so what we’re saying is, we’re going to lower tax rates for everybody across the board by 20%, and we can pay for that without losing revenue by closing loopholes for people at the top end of the income scale. Everybody gets lower tax rates as a result. And you can keep these preferences for middle class taxpayers and have 20% lower tax rates.”
2). Romney claimed his tax plan doesn’t raise taxes on the middle class
Mitt Romney used some funny math to claim that his plan doesn’t raise taxes on middle class. However, the Tax Policy Center found that Romney’s plan, “The report by the centrist Tax Policy Center found that Romney’s tax cuts would boost after-tax income by an average of 4.1 percent for those earning more than $1 million a year, while reducing by an average of 1.2 percent the after-tax income of individuals earning less than $200,000.”
3). Romney claimed that Obama would increase taxes on the top 3% of “small businesses.”
Romney used some dubious statistics to claim that Obama would raise taxes on small businesses. What Romney didn’t tell the voters is that he and the Republican Party have a unique definition of small business. Washington Monthly explored the GOP definition of small business, “Many of those 750,000 small businesses aren’t small at all. Some, like Bechtel Corporation, are positively enormous. The Democratic and Republican figures come from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation. But numerous think tanks and government organizations have examined the data and come to similar conclusions: First, that letting the Bush tax cuts on the top two brackets of “small-business” income would impact a tiny percentage of those businesses; and second, that many of the “small businesses” that would be impacted are actually giant companies — which explains why such a tiny fraction of them can account for half of small business income.”
4). Romney says oil subsidies go to small companies
Romney tried to sell the subsidies for Big Oil as going to small natural gas and coal companies. The truth is that $2.8 billion in subsidies go to the five biggest oil companies. Bil Oil is also allowed to write off all of their drilling costs.
5). Romney said getting rid of the Bush tax cuts will kill jobs
Mitt Romney claimed that if the Bush tax cuts expire for the wealthiest Americans, it will kill jobs. Forbes debunked this myth and concluded that, “But the GOP meme suggesting that tax cuts equals jobs while, conversely, tax increases on the so-called “job creators” mean less work for the rest of us, simply does not survive any reasonable scrutiny. Putting more money in the pockets of the wealthy may create a few jobs for the foreign bankers who get to count the extra money funneled into into the off-shore accounts of the rich, but there is nothing in the way of actual data to support the notion that putting more money into the pockets of the wealthiest Americans will inure to the benefit of those looking for work.”




Middle Molly
Oct. 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Here’s another lie:
Debate fact checking……
Startups… down to a 30 year low?
In January 2009, we had 8.9 million establishments (businesses), now we have 9.2 million establishments. Where does Romney come up with this “30 year low” business?
From the BLS.
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kn
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 2:22 am
Probably the same place he got the idea that $200-250K/year is middle income.
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caokapy
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 7:06 am
I think I heard him say that number represented new business start-ups as compared to the number started in the past – not the number of businesses as a whole.
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Toni
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 7:42 am
I really wish some fact checkers would get this news out there. I repeatedly hear republicans say how much gas prices have risen since Obama took office, and I never hear democrats refute this. But what they fail to mention is that number was based on a HUGE drop in prices over the twp months before the election. In August of 2008 gas prices were at an all time high (Higher then they’ve been over the whole course of the Obama presidency). But in a rather genius republican move, right before the election there was a nosedive in prices. Someone please correct this and get the word out. Go to http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=3 and click on 8 year history (or there are government sites for those that dont trust gasbuddy)
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Swiggy
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Very good, Toni. As I suspected, even without accounting for inflation, gas prices have not hit the same highs during the Obama term as they had during the Bush administration.
It seems pre-election gas price manipulation is nothing new. When Gore ran for president, gas prices had gone up dramatically. Clinton announced that an investigation into the high gas prices would be made, and the next day, gas prices dropped a dime a gallon. While prices have gone up that much (or more) previously in one upsurge, they have NEVER gone down that quickly since the ’73. (the only exception was on 9-11-01, where prices jumped as much as $5 in one day.
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rico
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Romney on new business start-ups:
In the first question of the debate, President Barack Obama and GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney were asked to spell out the differences between their job-creation plans. According to Romney, small businesses create jobs–and new business start-ups are at a 30-year low.
Fact-checking website PolitiFact looked into this claim when House Speaker John Boehner made it in March, rating it “true.” PolitiFact quotes Scott Shane, chairman of the economics department and professor of entrepreneurial studies at Case Western Reserve University:
“Using data from the Census Bureau and U.S. Small Business Administration, Shane found that the per capita rate of new employer business formation in 2009 (the most recent year available) was 1.32 per thousand people–‘an astonishing 51.4 percent of the rate in 1977,’ he said. ‘That is, Americans are starting new businesses with employees at half the rate they did 30 years ago.’ ”
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Pete
Oct. 11th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
It sounds like you did your research, BUT- I checked the census from 1977 (209,896,021)and 2009 (310 million) and noticed that the us population has increased by just over 50 percent from 30 years ago. I’m no math whiz, but wouldn’t that look like a 50% drop in new businesses even if there are just as many new businesses starting up today as there were 30 years ago?
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vicki63775@yahoo.com
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
I absolutely agree’ Maybe they gave him a low level upper to help him look not so much as a blubbering idiot….they forgot the don’t lie so much chemical..I wonder if he Prayed prior to the debate??
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Johnny K
Oct. 6th, 2012 at 1:57 am
These rebuttals the the Romney “lies” don’t really make any sense.
Especially number 5. I was actually a little embarrassed for the author. If you increase expenditures [taxes] on job creators [business owners AND investors], they WILL hire less ppl. I mean this is Economics 101.
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buckeyewill
Oct. 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Question is will the media say Mitt is lying???
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Jeanie
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:30 am
Bravo
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James Lico
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
A few will call him on the lies, but most will take him at his word. He is gambling on getting more votes due to lies than he loses due to lies. He will consider it successful, if voters do not find out until after the election. George W Bush used the same tactic to great success, considering how close the vote count was.
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Edward A. Hara
Oct. 3rd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Lies? You want lies? Go to your darling President if you want a bushel basket full of lies. Just a few months ago he said that “the Bush tax cuts are unfair to the middle class and need to be repealed.” I heard it with my own ears, not third hand.
Then a coupld of weeks ago, he voted to continue to Bush tax cuts and said “The Bush tax cuts are necessary for the creation of jobs.”
Your lying President said he is concerned about creating jobs, yet he gave bridge building jobs to Chinese firms instead of American union workers!! What the hell is that???
He promised that there would be no death panels in Obamacare and yet they are already admitting they will need “review panels to check on costs.” You can call it a review panel all you want, we have seen in England they are death panels that deny care to the elderly.
Obama said that Obamacare would not force us to act against our consciences, yet now he has attacked the Catholic Church for not wanting to go along with this.
Your man is hardly a paragon of virtue and truth.
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Tom
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:32 am
THe president doesn’t vote… and I hope people like you don’t vote either.
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brit
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:50 am
i wish there was a like for this.
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cheo
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Isn’t that what the bottom right of text box is for? It says “Rate this comment” and you click on either the green thumb, or the red one. Perhaps you are talking about something else….
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Drew
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:42 am
He’s your president too.
Also, don’t knock death panels. Soylent Green tastes good. Besides, the current for-profit system is rife with ‘death panels’. You’ve never heard the zillion stories about the person with the terminal disease being denied treatment at critical junctures?
‘Death panels’ a nonsense derivation of what the law says. Meanwhile I’m sure you support a bunch of men making health policy decisions for women based on religion and not medicine? I see your death panel and raise you a second-class citizenry.
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Eddie Powell
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Correct Drew… I have worked (physician) on the front line for 32 years… Logic dictates that there would be no need for Obamacare unless people weren’t dying or let die. Too many time I have witness people dying because they have no insurance. Under Mittie’s plan it would not only be the same, it would be worse. It would give the insurance companies that back Mittie a go ahead to deny care to millions of people. True, Mitte’s plan would put more money in my pocket but it is the morality of this thing we call right and wrong. It is not right to throw one’s neighbor under the bus because of life’s circumstances. Greed and the ReBaggers created this mess and now won’t own up to it. My facts are life experiences.
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Dennis White
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:42 am
From your post I can see you don’t know the definition of the word “lie”.
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Elaine
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:49 am
We already have death panels. They are called for-profit insurance companies.
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majii
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Don’t bring that already debunked sh*t here, Edward. Yes, president Obama is a paragon of truth and virtue. You’re angry because it has been proven that Romney and Ryan are habitual liars. That’s your cross to bear because no one except you made the decision to support them. Don’t get upset with us if President Obama is more of a Christian than they are.
LIE #1. “Then a coupld of weeks ago, he voted to continue to Bush tax cuts and said “The Bush tax cuts are necessary for the creation of jobs.”
FACT: No U.S. president can vote to do anything since he’s not a member of Congress. Also, in December 2010, President Obama tried to remove the tax cuts for our wealthiest citizens, and the republicans in Congress decided to hold up extending unemployment benefits and tax cuts for the middle class unless they could get tax cuts for the rich. Clean out your ears. President Obama has never said he wanted to eliminate tax cuts for the middle class.
LIE #2. “Your lying President said he is concerned about creating jobs, yet he gave bridge building jobs to Chinese firms instead of American union workers!! What the hell is that???”
FACT: Q: Is President Obama responsible for Chinese companies building U.S. bridges with stimulus money, as reported by ABC News?
A: No. A viral email distorts an ABC News report. California officials hired a Chinese contractor and rejected federal money to avoid federal “Buy American” laws.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/did-obama-approve-bridge-work-for-chinese-firms/
LIE #3 “He promised that there would be no death panels in Obamacare and yet they are already admitting they will need “review panels to check on costs.” You can call it a review panel all you want, we have seen in England they are death panels that deny care to the elderly.”
TRUTH Death Panels in Obamacare was declared the biggest lie of 2009.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/
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Jeanie
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:31 am
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
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Middle Molly
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 2:01 am
Most of these lies have been factchecked over and over again. Yet the righties still keep believing them and still keep spreading them. It’s disturbing.
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Jack Frost
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
The bigest lie I have seen on here is the president being a christian. You know when someone is a christian based on their actions. A christian doesn’t have to tell you he is a christian, you’ll know it by what he does. I haven’t seen anything that makes me think that Obama is a christian.
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rick
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
so iguess rick santorom, newt gingrich, michelle bachmann,ect arent christians either….since a true christian would never tell others that they are christians and they dont act like it either
spewing their hate for everything they see different?????
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1voice1vote
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Jack Frost: just another casualty in the Republican war on intellect.
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Ben
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
The President didn’t veto that legislation. Instead, he signed it into law.
While technically, the fact checkers are correct, I count him signing the legislation into law as a vote.
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Ruth
Oct. 5th, 2012 at 6:06 am
Thank You!
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Sam
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Edward A. Hara – The president does not vote on policy- he either signs or vetos bills that congress passes. So Obama couldn’t have voted to extend bush tax cuts. As for death panels ,the law states that the advisory panel has no power to effect anyone’s eligibility. “The board – known as the Independent Payment Advisory Board – was set up to recommend ways to reduce Medicare spending if it increases too rapidly.
The panel of independent experts is empowered to suggest cuts to how much the federal government pays healthcare providers. These cuts would go into effect unless Congress votes to overturn them.
But the panel is explicitly prohibited from cutting benefits for people on Medicare.
And there is no provision in the law that empowers the advisory board to make any decisions about what treatments doctors may provide for their patients.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-fact-check-romney-healthcare-20121003,0,5148610.story
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rico
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:06 am
since when does Obama worry about Congress… he uses executive order and “CZARs” to side step congressional approval.. The constitution is a stumbling block to Comrade Obama
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ron
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:53 am
Edward you have no idea what you are talking about. The Bush tax cuts are due to expire at the end of the year. The President has said he will not renew them unless they are changed so that the wealthier people contribute more. End of story.
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rico
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:25 am
never mind the rich pay the biggest majority of the taxes anyway… let’s go ahead and take the rest of it.. then we’ll all be in the same boat
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J. Collis
Oct. 5th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Never mind that the rich own 90% of the wealth of our country.
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majii
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:59 am
continued—LIE #4 “Obama said that Obamacare would not force us to act against our consciences, yet now he has attacked the Catholic Church for not wanting to go along with this.”
TRUTH “The policy exempted churches, but initially still applied to organizations with religious affiliations, including universities and hospitals. That upset the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, among other groups. In February, the Obama administration changed the mandate to say that religious organizations would be able to opt out, but insurance companies would pick up the cost of the contraception.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/08/romney-hijacks-credibility/
Never, ever come to PoliticusUSA unless you bring your “A” game, Edward, because you’ll find we’re very well versed in politics, and we know who’s doing the lying. Romney and Ryan are lying, and so are you. Most likely what you object to is the MSM having revealed the lies. You probably thought others would accept their lies the way you have. There’s no other reason why you’d come here and call the president, who hasn’t been lying, a liar and try presenting other lies to prove it. Run along. You feel threatened because Romney feels threatened. He underestimated the president and a majority of the American people. Go play with the others who buy into lies, propaganda, and wild conspiracy theories. There’s no place here for you because we don’t suffer fools kindly, or gladly.
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ajadedoptimist
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:35 am
Rock on, majii. Thanks for answering O’Hara’s points one by one. Scary that so many people are as ignorant of the facts as he is.
Of course O”Hara will just deny the facts. He and the other RWNJ’s out here must have skipped school. They don’t seem to comprehend the basic facts about how the different branches of the government work. Checks and balances probably means nothing to them.
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C Hoosier
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:59 am
Please do some of your own fact checking on the “Chinese building our bridges” you will find you are missing facts. State of California hired them without federal money not Obama.
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rico
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:08 am
I guess the Chinese jobs created when during the bail out of GM was not federal money either
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marykaywood
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:06 am
I read that a study showd people who listen to FOX news know less then people who don’t listen to any news. Your comment is proof positive.
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spiritdragon
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:11 am
You can’t talk with the grown ups until you stop watching Fox News.
What is wrong with people like you?
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Jeaniej
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:33 am
LOL That made me laugh. You are soooo right.
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G. Jackson
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:27 am
“death panels” exist in every current insurance company. There are people who’s job is to approve or disapprove “elective” surgeries. If a diabetic needs a leg amputated so it does not become gangrenous and the resultant toxins kill them, or will they probably die in the next year anyway from other complications so don’t spend the money on the surgery. Do you give a 85-year old patient open-heart surgery? How about 75? 70? 65? Does it matter if their relatives tend to live until 95?
The people working for the insurance companies get a yearly allotment of money to “spend”. The PROBLEM is that they get a bonus at the end of the year based on how much they have left. Quite an incentive to say NO to a bunch of numbers in files.
If you listened to Obama’s explanation of the ‘panels’ in the debate, it was to have an overview of what techniques were working and to get all the doctors working on a given patient to get together and figure out if one or two tests would give the diagnostic information needed instead of each of five different specialties requesting two or three tests each. Unfortunately “Death Panel” makes a great sound bite to throw fear into someone who doesn’t want to spend the time to research a complex issue.
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RinSC
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:30 am
You have no idea what you are talking about. This sounds like hearsay.
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Spinsters
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:31 am
Amen!!!!!!!!
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Frank
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:36 am
Who the hell is the Roman Catholic church?
There is no place in politics for religion, especially in the United States.
We have a country to run, we can’t allow the arrogance of “religious leaders” to interfere with that priority.
And what about the Protestants, Jews, Mormons, Atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, Native Americans, Hindi, and the list goes on… they too, are U.S. citizens.
So personally, I couldn’t care less if your catholic ass is bent out of shape.
Let’s start thinking about the entire population, and find a WORKABLE solution.
Sincerely,
Frank E. Warren
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Andrew
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 6:01 am
AMEN!
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rico
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Yeah!! the United States was founded with little if any Christian influence..
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rick
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
100% right
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Linda Bacon
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:52 am
Edward,
Thank you for pointing out your views on Pres. Obama. A good offense will fool many. But to me it is obvious that you have no defense of Mr. Romney’s stance on taxes or oil subsidies. You also failed to say that he did not lie thoughtout the debate.
Just saying, if you thought the post pointing out his lies was unjust, why didn’t you defend him? Attacking Pres. Obama doesn’t make Mitt Romney less of a liar!
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Mary
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 5:35 am
Here is a nice read.Look at the facts on private land verses federal. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/Should-Obama-Take-Credit-For-Oil-Production-Hike.htm Also check out how much drilling we finance in other countries such as Mexico and Brazil. There have been questions about Romneys comments regarding drilling.
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Julia
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 2:30 am
What do you call an insurance company denying cancer treatment or a surgery that could save someone’s life. What about all those millions of people who die because they don’t have insurance in the first place. Death panels, we all ready had them way before Obama came around.
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Debbie S
Oct. 5th, 2012 at 3:00 am
Thank you, Julia. Death panels do exist in the insurance industry. Free market health care will insure the deaths of many. They are for profit only and don’t care about peoples lives or deaths. Romney is a liar. He certainly does not care. Keep telling it like it is!!!
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Grandma M.
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 2:37 am
OMG – You are scary. Please – I don’t care who you vote for but be an intelligent voter. Your statements have been proven wrong time and time again. We need educated voters. Ignorant ones are a danger to our society.
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Oscar
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 4:37 am
We have had socialised medicine in Australia for 40 years and we have superb hospitals. I see a doctor of my choice and just had 2 knee replacements at a total cost of taxi fares too and from hospital.
My life saving drugs cost me approx $5 each as opposed to $60 a packet because the government can negotiate in the $billions for discounts.
Harry Potter writer JK Rowling has just told how Britain’s National Health saved her daughter’s life when she was broke.
You have nothing to fear from Obamacare. There are no ‘Death Panels’ in Australia, the UK or the whole of Europe, Turkey , Israel etc which all have a version of Obamacare.
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Jeffrey Rothwell
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:16 am
You all seem to forget about that little (errr, umm, actually much larger) country to the north of you.
CANADA! Our health care system is fantastic. Yes, I wait in line for a couple of hours sometimes at the hospital. BUT at the end of the line is a competent doctor ready to do his or her best to make me the healthiest me I can be, NOT an assessment to figure out how I can pay.
An anecdotal story that’s pretty indicative of the Canadian experience. After graduation from University, I had no extended health coverage (for those unfamiliar with Canadian health care, basic gov’t health care doesn’t cover optical, dental, prescription drugs, and a bunch of other stuff, it’s really just the basics). I got hit by a car on my bike and broke my arm as well as dislocated 2 fingers.
Time spent in waiting room: About 10 minutes
Time in hospital: 24 hours
Cost for hospital stay & injury treatment: $0
Cost for morphine prescription post-treament: $40
And that’s WITHOUT extended medical coverage, which would have made the morphine $Free!
Now I have extended health benefits because I’m working full time. How much does it cost me for this extra coverage (which also includes accupuncture and massage)? About $8 every paycheque.
I know some US citizens working well-paying jobs in big companies and they have to pay $1000 every month for their health insurance!!!
Here in Canada, we embrace the idea that it is the role of government to ensure its citizens have the maximum opportunities for prosperity. The health of those citizens is tantamount to that prosperity.
Mit Romney understands that keeping prosperity in the hands of the wealthiest few involves keeping healthcare a privilege for those wealthy few.
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mb503
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 5:17 am
On the bush cuts he was forced to resign them when the whole GOP threatened to have shut down the government. And on obama care, it specifically passed the supreme court because they DID NOT find it unconstitutional. If it in any way cause the government to force coverage on people it would have been shut down the minute it passed through the supreme court.
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3bettins
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 5:21 am
Are you referring to the California bridge projects when you state that the President gave jobs to the Chinese? A state project that declined federal money because that would have required them to use American workers? That by using a Chinese firm saved millions of dollars for the state? That one? That the President had nothing to do with? Yeah, I thought so.
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Crystal
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:00 am
The only reason Bush cuts are still here is because we have a Republican party in the Legislative Office who made it their goal to see Obama fail. They probably didnt pass the bill to be accepted. Im pretty sure if Democrats were in both the Legislative and Executive branches a whole lot more couldve been done. Dont say anything unless you know what the hell you are talking about.
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Nosmo King
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Here is proof that you listened with a very closed mind. That “death panel” so-called HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DETERMINING TREATMENT. By law it can’t. It can, however, look at the broad spectrum of treatment options for general care and suggest ways to reduce those costs. But the idea that they will say “your aunt martha is SOL and can’t get that mastectomy because she doesn’t have cancer bad enough yet” is bullsh*t.
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Nosmo King
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:15 am
edited to say:
has nothing to do with determining treatment for individual cases.
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elyse
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Hi I’m as mad as hell ab out the Chinese building our bridges, but it’s a STATE issue and a loophole in the Buy American act. They can hire foreign corps and workers if they come in cheaper somehow. Obama has nothing to do with it, but it should not even be allowed. One of the bridges is in my state, NY, the other California and I forget the third. the DOT person on the news says they had to hire Chinese because we have no welders. Can you believe? Write to your state governors about this. I did!!
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Reynardine
Oct. 3rd, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Jim Lehrer kept no damn control over the spoiled preppy, and I would say Obama gave too low-key a performance.
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NVL
Oct. 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 pm
I completely agree with you. Romney was aggressively desperate and the President seemed to expect decorum from him.
The moderation was horrific.
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BlueSkyCO
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:42 am
The Hawaiian way. Don’t forget when Obama caught the fly! “I got the sucker”, he said.
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brian N
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Your assessment of the moderation was spot on. Romney was rude and commandeering throughout the entire debate. He spoke out of turn constantly, interrupted his opponent every chance he got and showed NO respect for the process. Avoided direct answers to direct questions and seemed to think the debate was more of a personal platform from which he was entitled to treat as a convention of voters that had already made up their minds to vote for him. His habitual lying makes me physically sick.
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Zippadeedodah
Oct. 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 pm
I’m surprised Rmoney didn’t state that he would eliminate the EPA! In a round about way, he stated that there are too many incumbrances to business. I’m sure that he and his Koch Brother friends are working on adding that to his agenda if they haven’t done so already!!
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Jake
Oct. 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Here is the biggest lie of all. Obama is going to fix anything. He had 4 years, first 2 years he could of done everything he wanted. Last year he starts to blame republicans for blocking everything. So what happened during the first two years? Why were the only things passed, the first two years he was in office, 1) a bail out and 2) a universal health care plan? That was it? Democrats had the house and office and that is ALL they did? Yet Gas is almost $4.00 a gallon, unemployment is still at an all time high, 6 trillion in new debt! So where has Obama told anyone the truth?
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Luke
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:40 am
LOL @ Jake. Your statements justify exactly why. There is a system called checks and balances. There isn’t a magical 2 year period that congress and the house dont matter (that have been majority republican since Obama was inaugurated) and the president can do everything he wants. NO PRESIDENT EVER WILL BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING THEY SAY. The point is common sense, morals, and what is ethically right. This investment bankers are whining and complaining when they are already completely recovered FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BAILOUT (that were passed because the congress and house passed them too and go figure because all there republican friend work at the banks and investment firms) and are back up to the high revenues recorded, last in 2006, so they should quit complaining. The name of the game is greed and honestly unless you make over 250,000/year you are a complete idiot to vote republican. Also does Obama own the gas companies???? Dont you think it is peculiar that gas prices go up so much so people can use this tactic against the president. Just like when GW was trying to get relected…..his family IS OIL INDUSTRY AND gas was sooooooo cheap before he re-election….hmmmmmm i wonder why lol COMMMON SENSE DUDE.
Also when you go from lets say 10trillion to 4trillion (made up) in debt that isn’t a 4 trillion total debt accumulated. that is a 6trillion dollar cut in debt (or decrease in debt) which ever way you want to look at it. This stat has been wildly misleading by the right side….and is inaccurate on all counts.
Doing the most basic research would give you these conclusions. Not basing you political views on the 30 seconds commercials you see between watching “Honey Boo Boo”. Please get educated.
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rico
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:29 am
yeah… unless it’s Bush of course, then we can blame him for everything..
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Flabbergasterer
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:49 am
You clearly don’t understand how out political system works. How could Obama have “done everything he wanted” when the president cannot introduce bills, introduce budgets, or sign anything into law that has not first been approved by the legislature? He is not the king of America, he’s the President; the latter comes with limitations on power.
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dwreid
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:17 am
Actually you need to check your facts. There were only 28 working days when the Democrats were in control. Then a shift in the makeup of the House changed that. Since that time the Republicans have been in control of the House. It’s also true that the Obama administration submitted several jobs bills, including a jobs bill for veterans. All job creating bills were blocked by the Republicans. All of them. In fact the Republicans in the Senate have used the filibuster about 248 times in the past 4 years. That’s more than the previous 200 years put together. That’s not progress. That’s obstruction.
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Debbie S
Oct. 5th, 2012 at 3:13 am
Well said.
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edc70
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:33 am
also to dwreid…. Obama in no way had 2 years of “free” governing until the GOP took house control, and there was no “shift in the makeup of the House”. The GOP started with filibusters while the Dems had Congress. 1 month into the new administration, and they started to walk out and refuse to debate or vote on bills – including jobs.
Gas was $4.12 at its highest under Bush in the summer of ’08 and then it miraculously crashed back down to $1.72-ish in the fall in time for the election.
Apparently you need to check your own facts.
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Chris
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:44 am
The President can’t do anything without the support of the Senate and Congress. He literally can’t do anything by himself. You’re thinking of a dictatorship, where one person makes all the decisions without the opinion of everybody else. This argument against the President bothers me the most… did people not even go to high school?
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Truthseeker
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 5:08 am
Turn off Fox News, here’s the time line explained for anyone with half a brain, there was no 2 year super majority for Obama to work with, this is just more right wing propaganda: http://current.com/shows/the-war-room/videos/debunking-the-myth-of-obamas-two-year-supermajority
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Jen
Oct. 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 pm
No they can’t tell because of his plastic Botoxed Face. BTW DID MITT FILE FOR SS AT 65?
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gno di biasi
Oct. 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 pm
msnbc has already been calling romney a liar. about to check the other stations
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rico
Oct. 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Bigger question..will they say Obama is lying.. will they say, that history has proven that you never raise taxes in a recession… will they admit that Obamacare is the LARGEST tax on the MIDDLE class in history. Will that say when you compare the net businesses lost vs the new businesses gained.. it does equal a 30 year low.. will they mention his Marxist background
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Will
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:47 am
>Bigger question..will they say Obama is lying..
President Obama hasn’t made a political name for himself based on lies. He’s not a great president, but Governor Romney has demonstrated an antagonistic relationship with the truth.
>will they say, that history has proven that you never raise taxes in a recession…
Quite the contrary, actually. If you have access to a college level economics professor, you should ask them about Keynesian economics and the response to the Great Depression. Did you know that taxes were raised on the wealthiest Americans during the Great Depression in order to pay for new social programs as a part of President FDR’s New Deal? The result is unquestionable: unemployment went down steadily, American hands built thousands of bridges and paved countless miles of road, worker rights improved significantly, and the New Deal lifted Americans out of poverty and desperation. It was, by any objective measure (and many subjective measures, too) a complete success. It, along with the unfortunate stimulus of the Second World War, paved the way for decades of American economic stability and growth.
>will they admit that Obamacare is the LARGEST tax on the MIDDLE class in history.
Interestingly, there’s a Politifact article on this very untruth, published June 28th. The claim was rated “Pants on Fire”.
>Will that say when you compare the net businesses lost vs the new businesses gained.. it does equal a 30 year low..
This claim is also false. According to Money.CNN, President Obama is close now to actually breaking even on jobs.
>will they mention his Marxist background
Anyone who has studied anything about the history of government, economics, or philosophy likely has a Marxist background, because Marx is, among many other historical figures, significant. If you only study historical thinkers you already agree with, how do you ever expect to learn anything new? Or do you think you already know everything?
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majii
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:07 am
Will,
Jake doesn’t come across as someone who’s taken economics, political science or history classes at a college level. He sounds like someone who watches lots of Fox News, visits only RW blogs, and listens to radio entertainers like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck–neither of whom has ever taken and passed a college level economics, history, or political science class. When someone like Jake listens to uninformed people who are good talkers, he/she tends to believe the person is one of the nation’s greatest thinkers.
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Crystal
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Dont forget. Us entering WW2 also helped with the economy. Nothing creates jobs like a war.
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Jean
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
What Marxist background, you ignorant fool.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
The marxist background Fox News, Hannity and the rest of the breitbart morons told him about
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Cynthia
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:47 am
Who pays you to make comments attacking the president? Funny thing is, you and all your friends have the same script, or you are the same tired person saying the same tired things. Sad, really. Not going to work either. Sad angry people like you just don’t make a good point with all that anger in the way.
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Flabbergasterer
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:50 am
And you’re just spouting Rush Limbaugh nonsense – do you even know what Marxist means?
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RinSC
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:27 am
Could you please tell me where you got this information? I would like to read it myself in full to satisfy my own curiosity.
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James Savik
Oct. 3rd, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Grasping defeat from the jaws of victory.
Remember how well liar, liar pants on fire worked in 2000 and 2008?
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AZCAT
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:21 am
This type of program is in no way a debate. Romney is desperate, Obama did not aggressive challenge his many misstatements.
I hope the next two “debates” show a more assertive President Obama. I continue to be mortally afraid that the huge money the repugs have to spend will overcome the truth about their history and stated plans for our country.
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RHONDA OHL
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:26 am
I personally think that President Obama did a great job…..He kept his cool and to me he showed how much more intelligent he is than Romney. Obama has a plan, where Romney’s got nothing!! I am yet to hear just exactly how Romney intends to accomplish all these promises that he is promising the American people. Oh wait, I guess if you think that cutting taxes for the rich, sending jobs overseas and raising taxes on the middle-class is a good idea then I guess you should vote for Romney…..He is SO for the rich and doesn’t give a crap about the poor or the middle-class! Makes me sick!!
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majii
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:13 am
As do I, Rhonda. The president focused on telling the American people about his policies instead of wasting his time challenging Romney on his lies. The president expected Romney to lie. Romney seemed to want to appear to be strong by bullying the moderator. Bullying seems to appeal to some Americans, but not to me. Give me substance over bullying and false bravado every time. Americans should have had enough of bullying tactics and false bravado after experiencing 8 years of it under the last administration and examining their negative results.
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Louis Greub
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:38 am
And you think insurance companies are not going to deny health care to some people? Will they insure those already sick?
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Brax
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:40 am
Jake: The Republican party stated on National tv that it was their goal to stop all of President Obama’s Legislative actions no matter the reason… And then they did that even at the determent of this Nation. So yes they are at fault for not getting things done even when Obama offed many concisions to the RNP to get things done and he was going over his parties head to do that.
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College Kid
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:42 am
Everyone here who plans to vote against Obama needs to check the facts, not only about these two candidates but about the policies implemented by their respective political parties. Fuck you republicans
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Jan Beers
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:46 am
I just wonder if the Right Wing Base (aka The looneys) will rip Romney another one for backpedaling away so quickly in the debate from what he has been promising his base for months. Or, being pretty accomplished liars themselves, will they understand that spewing a load of crap was the only way the American people wouldn’t hang him up like Mussolini and flog him at the poles?
It’s OK though. I doubt that the debate tonight will change the outcome of the race. Well over 50% of the American people think for themselves. It’s pretty obvious to even the dimmest of Faux “news” watchers that a handful of billionaires aren’t paying millions to unseat President Obama because they love America or it’s people. Quite the opposite in fact.
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Gordon Hilgers
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:47 am
Isn’t it just charming how vague Romney/Ryan are being? They hem and haw while the straight dope from their camp is that they plan to just eradicate Medicare for all practical purposes. They and the conservative base have plans for us. That’s why he and Ryan are tamping-down the details. So no one can see it.
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Andrew Rei
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:47 am
http://www.politicususa.com/mitt-romney-obama-lies-hang.html
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James Threadgill
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Romney has lied since the beginning. The GOP can’t tell the turth about their plans. They can’t say they’re going give more to those who have the most and take it from thos who have the least. They can’t say, starve if you’re broke or sleep outside if you cannot find a job. They cannot say they’re going to loot, pillage, and pluder until there’s no left woth stealing then fly away to their mansions in the Maldives. All they can do is try to make it Obama instead of about policy.
HTTP://REGRESSIVEWATCH.ORG
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BlueDjinnCosmic
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:01 am
Yeah!…Truth will trump lies every time!…So I am not worried about the first debate at all! President Obama did a fine job of taking the “high road”, while Governor Romney looked”desperate” and “needy” and, at times, ” like a bully” trying to force his version of the same “Bush tax-cuts”, as some “Magically” self-restoring, already paid for, necessity that will not hurt the current deficit! LOL…It is going good so far…
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Spinsters
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:43 am
It’s going good so far??? lol… you are one delusional dude. You need a giant step back into reality….. derrr…
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James Threadgill
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:03 am
Romney lies so frequently he cannot even keep his lies straight. He’s contradicted himself so many times nobody, including himself, can keep up which lie he told when and where. For his lies differ from venue and crowd to another.
HTTP://REGRESSIVEWATCH.ORG
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Jason
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:08 am
Romney told us nothing other than he could remember scripted replies.. No thoughts or answers of his own.. You conservatives are blind fools who do not use any type of reasoning..
Ad hominem
“Personal attacks”
An ad hominem (Latin for “to the man”), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or unrelated belief of the person supporting it. Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy, more precisely an informal fallacy and an irrelevance.
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Lynn Edwards
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:15 am
I am so sick and tired of narrow minded people. You act as if President Obama but us in this mess. As I recall, it was a Republican (Bush). No, Obama can’t clean up the mess Republicans have made throughout history. It is a process that will take even longer than eight years. Furthermore, another Republican in office is not they answer. They only care for wealthy families. In addition, I guess people with commom sense (the middle-class or poor families or better yet the 47%)see the bigger picture.
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Tommy Stacy
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:43 am
I happen to personally think Obama has nothing to do with Marxists… i mean he looks nothing like Groucho or even Harpo with his fluffy afro. But what i do think is simple, I was promised Flying cars and hoverboards by 2015, if Barry doesn’t come through in his next term, i say we make history again and vote in a Japanese President, (they’re good with math and building sh*t) I heard Romney once saying that if we vote for him, he’ll give us pixie dust so we can all save money on gas by flying…… I’m so torn now.
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Linda Bacon
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 2:02 am
thank you for injecting some humor into this decidedly non-funny issue. didn’t think i could laugh after reading some of the comments made here by the good little repub lackies, but you proved me wrong.
thanks for the giggle.
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Spinsters
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:46 am
Blah, blah, blah… you all are a bunch of victims who want and think you deserve a handout. go cry to your beers and get a job. Obama’s an American hating, new world order wanting, socialistic, muslim douchebag. Romney is the next president. Face it and weep fools.
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Kmac
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Spinster,
Either you talk sh*t just to spin other up or you are truly ignorant. Get out and get some air and an education.
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Maureen Sellars
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
It is easy to say that people want handouts when you and your family get free healthcare for the rest of their lives. There are many things that need to change perhaps stop subsidizing churches and big oil. That fact of the matter Spinster is that unless you are in the 1% voting republican does nothing for you. If you believe it does you are just listening to all the propganda you are fed. The reason they want to privatize education and cut programs such as the arts is so they get a bunch of brainwashed idiots like yourself who are uneducated and sheep that believe all the bull crap you are fed.
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Tommy Stacy
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:51 am
Lol you know what i think? I think we just need to make someone king of america, I nominate Eddie Vedder. With his dreamy eyes and amazing singing voice, what country leader would not bow to him……. JERRRRREEEEMMMMMYYYYS SSSSPPPPOOOKKKEEEENNNNN
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Kstew5922
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 3:39 am
Spinster, you’re an idiot! I don’t think any of us here think of ourselves as victims, nor do we want a “handout”…. By the way just what is it we’re supposed to be getting in these handouts? The billions you’re thieving Wall Street & banker friends got handed after they damn near bankrupted our banking system by giving themselves all millions in bonuses, now THERE’S a handout. But the repubs don’t bother going off on Pres O for that one….that’s different isn’t it? And by the way, I have a job and have been self-supporting for over forty years. AND I don’t drink beer. Obviously, though, you’ve been drinking the kool aid!
I wonder, have you ever even bothered researching Romney & his actual record as governor, or are you just blindly believing the propoganda you’re fed. Seems your party all quotes the same bs. How bout you get off your duff & do some actual research & maybe, if your intelligent enough (which I doubt!), you will see that his record shows quite a different story than his claims!
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rico
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:13 am
oh I don’t know… I’d kinda like a phone…I’m tired of paying for mine.. maybe you could send me some
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brian N
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Really? Your an idiot.
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Jeffrey Penn May
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 6:27 am
Unfortunately, he said them with such conviction, clarity, and aggressiveness that most people will believe him.
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Darrell Turner
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 6:35 am
All hype aside, President Obama set the stage for VP Biden to perform his magic. Mitt was a man for all seasons tonight. President Obama responded in a presidential fashion. Mitt was rude and pushy. President Obama was scholarly. Romney rattled 100 miles per hour and said little. The President’s remarks were concise and easy to comprehend. By looking at Mitt’s expressions, he got it too. It’s called the “truth”.
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TommyNIK
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Spinster….
Your intellect is questionable based on your post. It makes me ill and angry.
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rico
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:14 am
maybe you can get some free aspirin
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Jesse
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 7:48 am
And Obama stood there with his tail tucked. I’m not looking for someone to fight back like Mitt did, but would it have hurt him to call out the BS? It’s obvious a lot of people polled think Mitt one and Obama looked like he was twiddling his thumbs. Note to Democrats – have some conviction for what you believe in and grow a backbone!
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Norma Pollock
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Go to 99 facts about Mitt Romney to find out about all the things that happened when he was governor of Massachusetts.
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Jim Easton
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Did anyone else notice that Mitt called his sons liars in an attempt to cast the President as juvenile?
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Anne
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:27 am
After the debate, I was watching the pundits on MSNBC, and Chris Matthews was especially sickening. He claimed that the president didn’t debunk Willard’s blatant lies. Actually, he did, but that didn’t stop Willard from doubling down on those same lies, especially the one about the $716 billion that the president returned to the recipients by cutting out waste in Medicare. I don’t find anything to admire or relate to in folks who are blustering, belligerent liars. That is NOT leadership by any stretch of the imagination.
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paulette
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 8:46 am
I bet Romney never lived pay check to paycheck, 200-250k a year is middle income? Someone please tell me where to go and get that paycheck!
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Dave Koch
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 10:14 am
When a debate moderator allows someone to consistently lie during a debate and be blatantly misleading, you are either completely oblivious to facts, or you are complicit. It appeared to me that Jim Lehrer was bought and paid for by Romney, but either way, Lehrer’s credibility as a journalist crashed and burned last night.
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Linda Brazier
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 11:58 am
and guess what Fact check .org and snopes are Liberal runned and owned / and they refused interviews with CNN and MSNBC…….because they lie …..do not trust a one sided checker….get the whole story with research enough said
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1voice1vote
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
“are runned” by liberals, Linda Brazier? “and guess what,” you are not entitled to your own set of imaginary facts, Ms Brazier.
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Paola tedesco
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
When can you tell Romney is Lying?…when he opens his mouth in public( behind close doors the chameleon reveals his true colors)!
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Julie Bryant
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Okay, I’m getting really, really angry that the arrogant Mr. Romney, who squashed the “moderator” last night (is Lehrer the official moderator of ALL the debates? Lord I hope not.
I’m going to mention the whole voucher system the GOP purposes because I wish to call attention to a fact I believe hasn’t been covered much.
And that is this: the idea that ALL SENIORS ARE COMPETENT TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO COMPETE/GET BEST DEALS in the voucher/system ie “free market” is laughable. How many seniors in our country are not “all there”? Hell, I’m seniorish and I’M not “all there”, with multiple disabilities. If I were living alone, barely able to move — and maybe with a touch or MORE of dementia/senility — FOR GOD’S SAKE HOW DO THEY EXPECT THIS WILL WORK? IT WILL NOT.
People in that age group are vulnerable and more so with every passing year. The GOP expects them to be as sharp as a tack, and to know how to do these things as opposed to taking the well earned rest without the worry of bankruptcy, lack of care, homelessness?
WHY isn’t anybody talking about this? This is a damned big deal — we’re talking about the MOST vulnerable section of our population, and Romney seems to think we’d be better off milking them for even more money for his rich buddies.
I don’t understand this sick GREED masked last night by the “newly moderate” (ha, it seem like Mitt said, “eat it, Tea Party & my fellow Republicans, I’ll get back to you later.”
So.
Attacks on the elderly, education, women’s rights, the precious environment, etc. And all props and benefits to the Rich. Well done, you Pretender to the Throne. Bloody hell, I am thoroughly sick of you and your well-practiced smirk, arrogant pushing around of weaker people like Jim Lehrer, and disrespect for the President.
Disgusting. You, who think we middle class people (my kids went to Columbia University and NYU, and I’m facing foreclosure for various awful reasons to do with…
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Black Party
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
They both lie… Just saying. This country was not designed to have career politicians. They say what they think the country wants to hear. Democrats vs Republicans is like two coma patients arguing. Each side looks up stupid facts about what the other side said. Where are Obamas five lies? They both said them. All parties lie. All parties cheat. As long as some power is in the struggle, no matter how small, idiots will fight and point fingers.
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Jeff
Oct. 5th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
When will everyone realize that every politician is a liar? And they all get away with it because americans are too lazy and stupid to attempt to change it
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Alan D
Oct. 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
I just read this article and I have only one comment. The whole article is Hogwash.
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Cassie skogen
Oct. 10th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
I am a Democrat and I am voting for Barack Obama because I know that he will keep helping people who have Medicaid or any kind of health insurance plans. I have a Forward Health Insurance card. If Mitt Romney wins he is just going to hurt us I am already having to wait on a waiting list to get in to see an orthodontist for my overbite, because the only orthodontist place that will accept my forward health card is the Madison Center of orthodontists in Madison Wisconsin. We tried several other places but they wouldn’t take me as a patient of theirs so we are having to wait now until December to get put on a waiting list to get me in to see an orthodontist in Madison. My parents aren’t happy about it because we live in Tomah Wisconsin and they would have rather of gotten me in somewhere in Lacrosse but they wouldn’t take me there so our only option is Madison. So I hope that people will vote for Barack Obama. I know that Barack Obama told some lies during the first debate but Mitt Romney did to. I found out that Mitt Romney actually began the debate completely reinventing his tax plan. Romney claimed that his tax plan isn’t a $5 trillion tax cut. However, yesterday his own running mate Paul Ryan touted Romney’s 20% tax cut across the board.
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