When the conservative panelists on ABC’s This Week tried to push Romney’s lies about the economy, they were shot down by a one man wrecking crew named Paul Krugman.
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Transcript from This Week:
MATALIN: The altitude, OK. He has no game.
The only way the truth that this president likes to cite all the time he has inherited the worst economy in history would be if he gets re-elected this is the worst recovery in the history of this country and his notion that it takes a long time to get out is belied also by history.
KRUGMAN: Not true. Just in the measure of the recovery it’s way better than Bush’s recovery. The actual growth since the bottom is a lot better. So were supposed to talk about that later but this is not true. You can argue with the unemployment rate is high because it was a hell of a recession but this is not, in fact — that’s not the way to do it.
MATALIN: Professor — Dr. Krugman, can I ask you something about history? Has there ever been this not be true in history that the deeper — the deeper the recession, the steeper and stronger the recovery. There is no such thing as a deep recession with a moderate recovery.
KRUGMAN: Every financial crisis, financial — post financial crisis economies look like this. We look like a post-financial crisis economy. We look exactly like a standard post-financial crisis recovery — look all through. Look at Sweden in the ’90s, look at Japan, we’re doing a little bit better than the average track on these things, but, no, I’m bitterly critical of Obama’s performance in that debate, but this is the not the way to criticize him.
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MATALIN: Here is the real world, as Peggy alluded to. Real median incomes have fallen twice as much under the Obama recovery as they did in the Bush recession. At this point in time, under Ronald Reagan’s policies, which Governor Reagan has a 21st century application of, growth and jobs were growing at five times the rate they are.
Let’s just look at last year. The states where 17 governors, Republican governors instituted conservative reforms, those states are growing their economy and creating jobs at twice the rate the national one. This is about policies. We know they’ve worked. There is no recovery in the history of any recessions or depressions that have been as slow and as poor as this one and the revisions upwards –
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MATALIN: Yes, it is, Dr. Krugman. It’s completely, totally true.
KRUGMAN: I’m sorry, but it just isn’t true.
MATALIN: I don’t make up numbers.
KRUGMAN: Well, but just look at them, then. Because the fact of the matter is, this is actually a fairly typical slow post-financial crisis recovery, which is picking up speed. So although it’s terrible — and I’ve been bitterly critical of policymakers in general for not doing more — the fact of the matter is we are clearly now in the upswing, where you can see the beginnings of a turnaround.
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KRUGMAN: When you say my covers pre-existing conditions when it doesn’t and when your own campaign has admitted in the past that it doesn’t, what do you say? That’s amazing.
MATALIN: You have Mitt characterized — and you have lied about every position and every particular of the Ryan plan on Medicare from the efficiency of Medicare administration to calling it a voucher plan, so you’re hardly…
KRUGMAN: It is a voucher plan.
MATALIN: You are hardly credible on calling somebody else a liar. Here’s what else…
KRUGMAN: Well, if you’re going to make this not about that — but, no, the fact of the matter, I just think that pre-existing condition thing was a defining moment. It was saying this guy believes not only he can say something that isn’t true, but something that his own campaign has admitted isn’t true. And he can say it in front of 70 million people. That’s amazing.
There were three distinct exchanges in the discussion where Mary Matalin pushed Mitt Romney’s lies, and Paul Krugman called them out. After the third time that Krugman hammered another Romney lie, Matalin had nothing left but to utter the playground equivalent of I’m not the liar, you’re the liar.
Earlier in the segment, Krugman called the president’s first debate performance classic Obama, because this president doesn’t raise his game until his back is up against the wall. Anybody who doesn’t believe this has forgotten how bad Obama really was in the first debates against Hillary Clinton.
Paul Krugman showed the left how it’s done. By simply pushing back hard, which Obama should not have done in the first debate, because he would have been drawn him into Romney’s quagmire of lies instead of contrasting his vision with his opponent’s, the Romney lies can be easily destroyed.
What Mitt Romney’s first debate performance did was make this election about his character. Since the debate, the Obama campaign has aggressively gone after Romney’s honesty. I suspect Joe Biden will amp this up in the vice presidential debate, and Obama will build on it in the second debate.
Democrats have a unified message against Romney, and Paul Krugman delivered the blueprint for how to combat a candidate and a party that won’t stop lying. Krugman kept hammering the Romney lies about the economy with facts, and eventually all the liar had left was to claim that he was lying.
Obama doesn’t need to call Romney a liar in order to win. He only has to consistently remind voters that Mitt Romney is fundamentally dishonest, and is lacking the kind of character that is expected from presidents.
Leave calling Romney a liar to people on sidelines like Paul Krugman. President Obama’s task is to consistently and persistently contrast himself with the Republican nominee remind America that Mitt Romney can’t be trusted.





Deborah_
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
We must remember too, President Obama doesn’t shoot from the hip. He gets all his ducks in a row.
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Anne
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
It’s quite a spectacle to see Republicans deflect and project whenever a Democrat not only calls them on their lies but dismantles them systematically. Like Matalin, they are reduced to the defensiveness that not only does not make a countering argument with any validity but also tends to sink into getting personal.
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brigita Petrutis
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Could not agree more with you more. I’ve been the cheerleader amongst my disappointed friends, citing the contrast. If this campaign were a movie, the truth would be more obvious, even to those wearing the 3D glasses.
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buckeyewill
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Most of these states MUST BALANCE THEIR BUDGETS BY LAW. Also, the states have slashed budgets for schools, townships, and municipalities. Tea Party mad Governors also ended estate taxes to deprive the necessary revenue for local governance, thus cities come to the voters with hat in hand asking for a raise in taxes. Here in Ohio, the state has given Corporate Welfare to Dibold, Bob Evans Restaurant,and American Greetings Corporation. The Auto Rescue package which saved thousands of jobs looms very large in Ohio.
Slashing taxes, raising Defense, balancing the budget with no increases in revenue??? That’s no ’80s.
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Sarah Jones
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I notice that in the one state that implemented their true agenda, Wisconsin, the jobs numbers are horrible. Go figure.
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1voice1vote
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Krugman reduced quite contrary Mary Matalin to “talk to the hand” posturing. Classic boorish Republican “facts, shmacts” display.
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ROsemary Cain
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Tell Matlin to stop saying “Obama’s Policies” are causing the slow growth. That is a result of the House of Reps not passing any of Obama’s bills. Buck up R’s and be responsible for your “in-action”. Don’t blame the Prez for what you have failed to do.
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Mark L.
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
I think it’s time to stop the childish taunting, and drop the partisanship and actually WORK TOGETHER. Only ones not interested in finding common ground or working together are those who scoff at these ideals as “feel good liberalism”.
These are the people who make working together a complete impossibility.
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Anne
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
@Mark L.:
Tell that to the obstructionist Republicans whose goal is to get rid of President Obama, regardless of the fact that their candidate is so dangerously flawed. Bipartisanship works only when BOTH parties are willing, and one has clearly shown that it is not.
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majii
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Right, Anne, and, saying that your party’s #1 goal is to “make Obama a one-term president” just screams of how willing republicans were to work with PBO, doesn’t it? I’m sick of ignorant Americans placing the blame for republican intransigence on PBO’s shoulders. Instead of holding republicans responsible for breaking their promise to work on “jobs, jobs, jobs,” they attack the president. The Constitution doesn’t make a president a dictator, and if Americans want to hold any president responsible for everything, they should be pushing to amend the Constitution to give him the power to circumvent Congress when it doesn’t do its job. It sickens me even more that these same people scream about debt and the deficit but see nothing wrong with paying republicans $174,000/yr + benefits each to do absolutely nothing. This isn’t fiscally responsible, but they see nothing wrong with it.
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pgl
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Mary Matalin calls someone else a liar? What a joke. That is all this partisan hack does – lie. Why these talk shows even allow her in the studio is beyond me.
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Debbie
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
And Mitt is deflecting from releasing his income tax, and involved in tactics to deflect attention from this issue.
Growing questions on Romney’s company Bain Capital and missing funds from Hughes Medical that ended up at Bain.
Then there are questions of Romney/David Fischer/Samuel Skousen corruption …. In fact David T. Fischer should be removed from the Judicial Tenure commission… see the Real Mitt Romney the Weather-Vane Candidate… a new update (some just went up but a bit more to go) should be completed by tonight regarding Romney/Skousen/ and Ronna Romney McDaniel link to blog http://mittromney2012potus.blogspot.com/
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Thomas Johnson
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
I wonder what has happened with peggy noonan. She was one of the biggest rmoney critics just a week ago and now…. see her on ThisWeek. That must have been some SERIOUS arm twisting.. perhaps almost to the breaking point to get her to change so much in a week. Who did the twisting? Hmmm
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kvajpato
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
morons united?
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Donna
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
It should have been Lehrers job to guide the questions and probe for answers to the questions. Otherwise, why have him there at all? It would be like have a boxing match and no referee. It was ridiculous. The only reason the GOP on This Week liked Lehrers moderating was that it enabled Romney to LIE his butt off. Yes, Obama should have been pointing those things out and he did to a small degree. But Lehrer got a paycheck for NOTHING.
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Karen
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
How about we leave medicare alone, obamacare alone, and cut out congress LIFETIME FREE HEALTHCARE paid for by the middle class/low income tax payers!
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Sandie Lambert
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
People say OBama wasn’t “THERE” during the debate, yet lately someone told me not to agrue with a fool, let them speak for themself. I think I will take the lead of OBama and do the same next time someone I am conversing with and their lies and well repeated lies just show them for what they are speak for themself.
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Leslie
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I know Krugman is an economist,but can someone tell me what kind of credentials Matalin has? She just seems to spew.
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Carol
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Did I completely miss the flamethrower? I waited and waited and saw not even a spark. Noonan is clearly a fan of the defeated governor of Massachusetts. Matalin is only there because of her brilliant husband although their relationship is a total mystery.
We saw a gentleman of class and the class bully. Cannot wait to see the gloves come off in Round Two.
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Sherrie Roberts
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
How those two stay married is just beyond me. And yes, she was spewing Rethug lies again during this broadcast.
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BlueDjinnCosmic
Oct. 7th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Yeah!.I think that it may have been a media ploy by the network to portray two Very Independent Women (a troublesome constituent group for Romney) as “Die Hard” enthusiasts for The Romney campaign. Appearing on the surface to be nice, intelligent, Women who, were placed on a panel that had men favored by a 2 to 1 advantage, they went on the attack. Attacking the facts! Attacking the Obama policies! Attacking even the male panelists who were merely stating the facts, the Women continued to espousing pseudo-intelligent theories with a “Dogged Passion” in spite of the need for a foundation of Truth!
You see, while playing down the lack of real facts and blatant misrepresentations of the Romney campaign, and having the Women “stand-up” to the “abusive” Men on the panel, it appears that they were supposed to arouse a sense of “Independence” in some of those “undecided Women” in that demographic which has been such a problem for the Romney campaign. Their intent was to foster the idea that voting for Romney can be seen as a symbol of “Feminine Independence!” And even though his campaign is all based on “Lies”, Women can still vote for him in “Defiance” of the facts! They can vote for him and still feel like they are in the “In Crowd!”…LOL…The problem is that there is already an attempt to fool the American public by employing the media to use the very same tactics!…It is Called “Fox News!” Nice try! But we gotcha!… Or…I could just be seeing things that are not there…LOL…It’s just my take on things…Peace!
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Caroline
Oct. 8th, 2012 at 2:15 am
Mary Matalin is such a whinny shrew. Her nasty yap keeps interrupting Paul Krugman, while he is trying to make his point.
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Rose
Oct. 8th, 2012 at 2:17 am
It is great that Krugman kept insisting on the facts. We are getting to comfortable with ignoring dishonesty and lies.
The media throughout this general election cycle has let Romney and Ryan get by with just blatant twisting of the truth.
The media’s handling of the bogus “Voter ID” laws is just pathetic. They know full-well what they are about, but refuse to just say so!
Furthermore, where is the coverage on the obstruction by Republicans on voting against the Jobs Act, the Veterans Bill???
The coverage of Jack Welch’s absurd assertions about the drop in the unemployment rate was treated as plausible during the news cycle! Who called him out for stooping so low to cast doubt on the BLS, in an attempt to downplay the good news for all Americans?
ABC Nightline ran a story on Mormon missionaries and highlighted that Romney served as a missionary without pointing out that he was dodging going to serve in Viet Nam? They mentioned that the Mormons baptized thousands without mentioning that many of those baptized are already deceased?
Hats off to Krugman and I hope others would be more aggressive in calling out the top-down dishonest, over-the-top miscarriage of the truth that comes from Romney his campaign and surrogates!
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Joe A
Oct. 8th, 2012 at 3:03 am
Krugman, a nobel-award winning economist deserves more respect than he was given. The entire show, he was making his point based on numbers while Mary makes faces and disrespects him. This is indicative of today’s extreme Republicans. You can’t have a rational discussion when they mentally zone out and come back with repeated talking points not based on reality.
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Kevin
Oct. 8th, 2012 at 3:16 am
Mary Matalin is so condescending. Every single time Krugman talks, she’s on the side either sighing, groaning, or trying to interrupt. Pipe down already and try to be a civil debater.
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Neon Vincent
Oct. 8th, 2012 at 9:20 am
I watched that segment. It was probably the best performance Krugman’s ever given on This Week. On his blog, he wrote that he was jet-lagged out of his mind. Krugman should be jet-lagged more often.
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Carol
Oct. 8th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Matalin sounded so offended at and dismissive of Krugman’s education and expertise – she must be a very insecure person. How can a fun, funny and brilliant man like James Carville tolerate such an unabashed shrew? Guess he’s just a little masochistic.
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John Oliver Mason
Oct. 8th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
You go, Krugman! Don’t let the right wing-ding thugs push their lies on you! Intelligent people left the republican party years ago. Keep up the good fight!
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