Scott Brown tried to morph into Mitt Romney with an endless stream of lies, but Elizabeth Warren was ready and stormed past the incumbent in their third debate.
The third Brown/Warren debate got off to a start similar to the first two with Elizabeth Warren backing the Obama job creation position, while Scott Brown touted his conservatism and his votes with Obama. The next question was about Obamacare and Brown lied by claiming that healthcare reform is a tax hike, and it contains big cuts for Medicare. (Brown surprisingly echoed the Romney position on this issue.) Warren got a round of applause from the crowd for calling out Brown for taking a page from the Romney playbook, and she delivered some straight talk on Obamacare. Brown responded by repeating the $716 billion Medicare lie. Warren cited the AARP and blasted Brown for citing a Medicare cut number that, “simply isn’t true.”
On the question of education, Warren hit Brown for voting against keeping the student loan interest rate low. Brown responded with a personal attack on Warren by talking about her income, and her housing from Harvard. Brown actually claimed that Warren’s income was the reason why the cost of education is going up. Warren responded by asking whose side Brown was on when he decided to support loopholes for millionaires over low student interest rates. (Interestingly, even though Brown has made up nothing in the polls, he is still sticking with the strategy of personal attacks against Elizabeth Warren.)
Brown used the next question about public education to keep trying to defend his record on student loans. While Brown defended his record, Warren laid out an education plan and voiced her support for Head Start and pre-Head Start. She called investing in our children a moral responsibility and good economics. (Without national talking head David Gregory muddling up the debate by trying to create controversy, debate #3 has been crisp and more issue focused than the second debate.)
When asked where she would cut the budget, Warren said she would cut agricultural subsidies and the military. She said she would not cut Social Security or Medicare. Warren also advocated Obama’s balanced approached to cut the deficit. She said she is willing to make cuts and raise revenues. Brown said that he refused to cut the military budget. Brown reverted back to Obamacare lies and said he would cut $2 trillion from the deficit by repealing Obamacare. Brown also refused to raise any taxes. Warren hit Brown for advocating repealing Obamacare, which will increase the deficit. She debunked the study Brown cited as from being a right wing group. Brown responded by pushing forward with Obamacare lies.
Scott Brown was asked to define the middle class by dollar value, and he danced around, but never answered the question. While avoiding an answer Brown again personally attacked Warren. Elizabeth Warren talked about how America’s middle class is getting hammered. She defined the middle class as people who work hard, play by the rules, and invest in the future. Warren again tied Brown to Romney by saying that there are two visions for this race, tax cuts for the wealthy versus everyone paying their fair share.
Brown got booed by the crowd for going back into personal attacks on Warren. Elizabeth Warren responded by telling Brown that she went to Washington to fight for a new consumer agency. Brown tried to take credit for Warren’s agency, by saying it wouldn’t have passed if he wouldn’t have voted for it. (The crowd jeered again.) Warren came back and hit Brown on Dodd-Frank.
After Warren brought up Brown signing the Norquist tax pledge, Brown voiced his support for the pledge. Scott Brown clearly is moving to right. Warren kept hitting Brown for letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the 98%. Sen. Brown actually lapsed into right wing job creator talk. Brown’s pseudo-Democrat mask is off, and tonight he showed himself to be a right wing Republican.
When Brown was asked about women’s rights he used his I live with a houseful of women line, and claimed that he supports equal pay for women. Brown mentioned his support for the Violence Against Women Act, and stated that he is pro-choice. Warren said Brown is a good husband and father, but hit him with his votes against equal pay for equal work, birth control coverage, and a pro-choice Supreme Court justice. Warren said the people of the state need a senator that they can count on all of the time.
The questioning moved to foreign policy and Syria, where Warren supported Obama’s approach to dealing with Syria and Iran. Warren said she is glad to support Obama as Commander in Chief and she does not want to see Mitt Romney in that job. Brown went back by claiming that military cuts can’t happen.
Brown tried to undo his move right by using his closing statement to play up his moderate status, and his 54% voting record with the Democratic Party. Warren used her closing statement to lay out the two different visions for the future. Warren repeated her stance that everyone must pay their fair share.
Scott Brown’s campaign clearly thinks that Romney’s revived fortunes mean that they can move to the right, but Brown’s move towards Romney was a disaster. This race is starting to mirror the presidential contest with Warren clearly supporting Obama and Brown using Romney talking points.
The strategy of using Mitt Romney as your guidepost in a state where he is going lose by 20-30 points is questionable at best. Sen. Brown really doesn’t have many options left. Moving to the middle has not worked for him, but by moving to the right, he is risking alienating some of his supporters.
Elizabeth Warren keeps getting better in these debates, and Scott Brown doesn’t seem to have a clue about how to defend his record. This might have been Brown’s worst debate so far. He doesn’t have a clear message, and he kept shifting from moderate to hardcore conservative.
These are two excellent candidates, and their issue focused third debate was a good one. Elizabeth Warren has the wind at her back in a close blue state senate election. In a state where Obama will dominate, it was smart of Warren to tie herself to Obama, while Scott Brown was embracing the Romney iceberg that could sink his Titanic.





Mary Aseltyne
Oct. 10th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
We need MORE women in the Senate to protect everyone’s right to clean air, clean water, clean dealings from financial institutions, and access to affordable health care
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laingirl
Oct. 10th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Elizabeth Warren is smarter than Scott Brown can ever hope to be. She is needed in the Senate to not only represent Massachusetts, but to represent women in all states. I wish I could vote for her; I think she is quite special.
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Paws
Oct. 10th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Oh what a wicked web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
I’m glad she called this liar out. He needs to be gone and we need more women like Ms. Warren in Congress.
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craigtamy
Oct. 10th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
I’m so mad I missed this debate, thank you for reporting the details. I think Warren will be going very far in her career, while Brown has simply made an ass of himself at each debate.
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Grant Walker
Oct. 10th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Jason, Mary, Laingirl, Paws, craigtamy: I could not agree more. GO ELIZABETH.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 10th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Cant wait to see what the polls say. We need to cut the military, there is no one who can stand up to us anyways.
Better yet, any hawks that want the military bigger can go serve
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robyn ryan
Oct. 10th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Is it Ms. Warren or Dr. Warren?
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RRosen
Oct. 10th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
For those who missed watching live.
http://www.c-span.org/Events/Massachusetts-Senate-Candidates-Hold-Third-Debate/10737434840-2/
Warren knows her stuff!
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Rita Kothbauer
Oct. 10th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
She has it
She has it! 2016.
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Rudy Gonzales
Oct. 10th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Is it me or are the TEA-Republican’s trying to circle the wagons around their standard bearer? Scott Brown has “stepped in it” as Rick Perry said the streaking Texas Turkey flamed out, crashed and burned into Oopsville, Texas! America needs new blood and ousting the confrontational TEA-Republican consortium is the best way to accomplish this task! As long as there are TEA-Republican types who continue to erode the freedoms of all American’s, disenfranchise people of color and inhibit freedom of speech, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, we will need Affirmative action. And Romney still hasn’t provided copies of the ten years of tax returns or fully disclosed his millions in off-shore hiding from the tax man and his church.
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joseph tippett
Oct. 10th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
I live in N.C. you think you can send someone as smart as Elizabeth Warren down here to replace Virginia Fox?
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majii
Oct. 11th, 2012 at 1:02 am
I hope Elizabeth Warren keeps Scott Brown on the ropes. I have to disagree with you when you say there are two excellent candidates in the race, Jason. I know you were being generous to Scott Brown, but there’s really only one excellent candidate running for the seat, and that’s Elizabeth Warren because she knows what she stands for, stands firm in what she believes, and believes in telling the truth. Any politician who deliberately lies for his/her own personal/political gain is not, imo, an excellent anything, except an excellent liar. Brown ran on being a centrist, but as soon as he took his seat in the Senate, he began to vote against the interests of his constituents. He’s an empty suit who won his seat because his campaign was flooded with corporate donations and he had a lot of tea partiers come to MA to help him run his campaign.
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Echelon
Oct. 11th, 2012 at 2:21 am
Damn good article Jason.
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Debbie
Oct. 11th, 2012 at 3:45 am
@Robin It’s Professor, Ms.,or Attorney. Elizabeth Warren is a JD not a Ph.D to the best of my knowledge. Watching from home, it was clearly a much more civilized debate. He did well enough, but she was much better.
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j
Oct. 11th, 2012 at 7:01 am
To Joseph Tippett – I too live in NC and I agree that Fox is a disaster (also a very mean and greedy person) I’m not happy with Coble either, I have not always lived in NC and I detect a lot of racism in this state which I find disgusting, anyway I am praying for Obama/Biden.
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Diane
Oct. 11th, 2012 at 7:46 am
She gets a couple of terms in the Senate and she may well be our first women POTUS.
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blofty
Oct. 11th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Excellent summary of the debate. Elizabeth Warren is so smart and thinks well on her feet. She knows what she stands for and stands firm. She is one to watch
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Michael Maynard
Oct. 11th, 2012 at 11:14 am
I live in Massachusetts. Little Willard got voted in the first time because the previous candidate was “unlikable” which doesn’t say much for many of the “informed” citizens here. Little Willard does not have the intelligence to understand complex issues. That he has to lie to cover up his poor voting record is a given. He has been non-existent as far as helping our state.
It is a sad commentary that he has replaced “The Lion of the Senate” for 2 1/2 year. However, Lionesses are usually more fierce and protective of their own. That this race is close is a reflection on the current ignorant political climate in this country.
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Inez
Oct. 11th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
The truth prevailed. He tried to discredit herwith LIES and he fell on his face…….She has the integrity needed to be a Senator.
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Bill Carson
Oct. 12th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
How do we know if Elizabeth Warrens brother really has 288 combat missions in Vietnam?
It took her 5 weeks to tell the Indian story !
What way can the newspapers check on the 288 combat missions ? Where is the proof ? Is this something her brother told her ?
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Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 12th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I suggest you get off your ass and use google. How do we know your last name is Carson? Do you think she should have said she was Indian the first week she ran? Well?
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Dan
Oct. 15th, 2012 at 11:16 am
I love how there’s about 20 people who have pasted that “How do we know if Elizabeth Warrens brother really has 288 combat missions in Viet Nam”. Into message boards everywhere.
I wonder how much they’re getting paid. Maybe they should change “Warrens” to “Warren’s”. At least they’d be pasting it correctly!
Anyway, I don’t think it’s a good sign for a candidate when the only weapons he has are whether someone knew is they were really .0000001% indian or how many missions her brother did, etc… In the end, it’s whether she’s smart and can do the job better than the retarded douche in office now.
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