It is difficult not to have great respect for anyone who accommodates working with morons incapable of producing any useful result for a problem regardless how large or small the intended goal may be. Parents and teachers learn to recognize the pointlessness of reasoning with petulant young children, and yet they exercise patience and continue guiding them despite the seeming futility of their effort out of concern for the welfare of children in their care. President Obama has learned that dealing with Republicans is an exercise in futility regardless the issues facing the nation, and in private he must acknowledge that it is seemingly impossible to negotiate with ideologues who ran for office for the sole purpose of obstructing the government and causing as much damage as possible as ideological purists.
Throughout the President’s first term, Republicans opposed every single proposal and piece of legislation President Obama supported in spite of the damage to the nation’s security and economic health, and the fiscal cliff negotiations have amplified the GOP’s intransigence despite the damage their obstruction will wreak on economic recovery. When House Speaker John Boehner’s absurd Plan B failed to garner enough Republican support to pass the House, he joined forces with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell to demand the White House and Senate Democrats submit a proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff so House Republicans could take up the bill and do what they went to Washington for; reject it out of hand.
One could hardly blame the President if he threw up his hands and announced that negotiating with Republicans was nugatory, but like a longsuffering parent desperate to keep their child from making a tragic error, President Obama continues prodding obstinate Republicans to prevent a recession, credit default, and defense cuts the GOP can hardly comport. However, with only four days until sequestration cuts and tax increases take effect, it appears Republicans are content to let the nation go over the fiscal cliff. What is ridiculous is that Boehner and McConnell know the President does not believe House Republicans will even consider any proposal that is not 100% spending cuts and permanent Bush-era tax cuts for all income earners, but that is part of their strategy.
It is frivolous to think for a minute the contentious House Republicans will accept any deal coming out of the White House, especially after they rejected Boehner’s Plan B proposal. Boehner’s plan kept in place all the sequester domestic cuts and heaped more despair on most Americans, kept Bush tax cuts in place for 99.81% of income earners, and eliminated defense cuts due to take effect on January 1st. Now, if Boehner could not rally support to pass a plan to devastate domestic spending, what makes him or McConnell think the same Republicans would vote for a new offer from the White House? Truth be told, they are aware the Republican caucus has no greater desire than to let the economy go over the cliff so they can start the 113th Congress and hold the American people, economy, debt ceiling, and credit rating hostage precisely as McConnell promised over a year ago, and that is the strategy.
Boehner and McConnell’s phony demand the President send them an offer Republicans will support is a canard because there is nothing the GOP will support regardless the concessions, and both men know it. In fact, they are counting on being able to reject the President’s proposals no matter how favorable they are to Republicans. The last offer the President made was a good compromise Republicans could have supported in a different world, but this is the end of 2012 and rejecting any fiscal cliff offer is part of their plan hatched after the failure of the super-committee last year. The sequestration and its series of automatic spending cuts and expiring tax breaks was created by Republicans committed to never raising taxes, and despite their rhetoric to the contrary, Boehner is well aware his teabagger caucus will crash the economy and cause a credit default to see the government come to a halt, and he will attempt to use that as leverage to no avail.
House Republicans had every opportunity to avoid sequestration cuts and tax increases, and the notion that it falls on Senate Democrats to save the economy from the cliff is laughable. The Senate passed tax cuts for 98% of Americans and 97% of small businesses months ago, but Boehner will not bring it up for a vote. The President’s proposal compromised on taxes and spending cuts that disappointed liberals and progressives, but it was a good-faith effort to meet the Republicans half way and still keep the economy in recovery, and perhaps that is what rankled Republicans most; the President’s success at growing the economy. Boehner and McConnell will not accept any compromise because they are panting to hold the nation hostage to extract more tax and spending cuts from Democrats regardless the cost to the economy, and it will blow up in their faces in 2013.
Boehner will not push for any deal because he understands he will lose his job if he accepts any White House compromise, and the result will be another debt ceiling crisis that will lead to another credit downgrade because rating agencies like S&P will know that regardless the damage to the economy, Republicans are incapable of compromise that makes governing impossible. The worst case scenario is a credit default teabaggers believe is beneficial for eliminating funding to operate the government, and if Boehner cannot convince them it means economic disaster, then the nation is in for a rough 2013 which appears to be the Republican goal. However, President Obama’s patience with Republicans will not last forever and after making good faith efforts to compromise on spending and taxes, he is in a position of power Republicans grossly underestimate.
The Republicans will let the fiscal cliff pass without acting, because compromise is anathema to them and it will be their death knell. However, it should disturb even hardline Republicans that their party is keen to subvert the economy and willing to jeopardize the full faith and credit of the United States for no other reason than leverage for lower taxes and steeper domestic cuts. Republicans were in control of the House for two years, and in that brief time they caused the nation’s only credit downgrade, this absurd fiscal cliff, a near credit default, threats to shut down the government, and several hostage situations, and they show no signs of letting up heading into the 113th Congress, and they have no compunction exposing the American people to unnecessary distress and it defines them as the evil monsters they really are.




Jan
Dec. 28th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
The GOP hate President so much they will wreck our Country no matter what
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djchefron
Dec. 28th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
How can you deal or govern with people who done deal and don’t know how to govern?Maybe my conservative friends can answer this for me .How does one vote for a candidate who`tells you government doest work and don’t offer any solutions to fix it other than tax cuts for the uber wealthy?BTW a tax bracket you will never see unless you hit the lottery?
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Robert Chapman
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 11:22 am
when you ask your conservative friends the question, “How can you deal or govern with people who done deal and don’t know how to govern?”
Listen carefully to their answer.
You might find their answer to be that they believe the government is engaged in activities they think should not be done or left to the private sector.
Think carefully about whether or not they are right, there are lots of unneeded or obsolete programs, bureaus and offices in the federal bureaucracy.
We might spend some time productively by sharing with the conservatives and figuring out how to do away with some of the dead wood.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
You also might find they support the states that are owned by other than the people. Michigan, Wisconsin etc.
You might find they support doing away with representative government in the states without understanding what they are doing. Remember Walkers fake phone call where he told the Koch he had the state on the course they laid out for him?
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Churchlady
Dec. 28th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Good analysis, Rmuse – the president DOES have to be the adult and deal with the spoiled children no matter how wretched the latter may be. The credibility of our government rests on the shoulders of our commander-in-chief who MUST offer an opportunity for the kids to do the right thing. Right as in correct as opposed to extremist, of course.
I admire his patience. I am quite clear we will have some compromise some of us do NOT like – and everyone has to remember that anything done now can be UNDONE if we have a decent and mature Congress in 2014.
A deal, some kind of agreement, is essential. There are REAL consequences to the unemployed who stand to lose all federal unemployment insurance, to folks earning poverty level wages who can lose EITC, to those needing supports to get through hard times on all kinds of fronts.
If we wind up with chained CPI, live with it. If we lose a pet funding project – be patient. Being polemical and demanding that we go over the cliff is fine if you are OK – it’s NOT fine if you are in need and relying on our government to help through hard times. Don’t sacrifice those in need to make a point. We need to get this done for those who have no alternatives. We CAN make changes to the good quickly and down the road.
Fer crying out loud – if it doesn’t go your way, don’t “show the Dems” by not voting in 2014 – you DID that, and you wrecked havoc on this nation. If just one more person per precinct had voted Dem in 2010, we’d have kept the House and most state governments as Dem. We have to do the correct thing and think of those who need forward momentum and you have to raise your voice to make sure what isn’t going well now can be made whole soon.
At the core of this settlement – presuming the Baggers don’t kill our nation entirely – lies protection for those in need to the very best of our capacity to do this. THAT is the president’s foremost concern. It should be for all of us.
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Robert Chapman
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 11:29 am
If we go over the fiscal cliff, we come back to work in January and restore EITC, extended unemployment, the doctor fix and the AMT adjustment.
If we go over the fiscal cliff, we try to get the IRS to speed up tax refunds so that consumers are buffered a bit while they adjust to the higher tax rates.
If we go over the fiscal cliff, we slow down federal procurement and furlough federal workers while figuring out how to intelligently restore the sequestrations.
If we go over the fiscal cliff Obama will take the political hit for a double dip recession, but with skill and care, we might be able to get some bipartisan,sustainable, economic growth proposals enacted.
The fiscal cliff will be acutely painful, but not debilitating or fatal.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
No, the people have already spoken. The republican House will totally be blamed for going over the cliff. Obama is in the clear.
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Producer James
Dec. 28th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
The thing with Republicans is they don’t want to govern…..they want rule.
You can see how in the states dominated by republican legislators the kinds of bills that are being passed. None of these bills are helping individuals lives to be better. They are always trying to take something away from them and impose a personal or religious belief upon their constituents. For a party that screams about how great freedom is and wraps themselves in the American flag……they are extremely quick in telling you how you can control your own body or who can love and marry. They also love to destroy the workers ability to bargain and negotiate. I’m guessing Republicans are cowards because they know its earlier to crush an an individual then a group.
Republicans don’t give a rats ass about the people………..unless your a person with money. Then they will fight tooth and nail for you….cause they know they will get their reward for it. Poor people who vote republican get what they deserve…….because of their stupidity and ignorance. Religious republicans are a waste of a voting group cause what you care about has no barring on the world……gay marriage and abortion are not pressing issues that affect many people’s lives. The simple solution to that is….if you don’t want an abortion don’t get one & don’t be friends with gays so to avoid going to their wedding. It amazes me that social conservatives are ok with treating people like second class citizens. I’m guessing that’s not what Jesus would do.
Tthe Republican Party is full of misinformed, stupid, noncritical thinkers, and generally mean people. Give it time and the party will implode. It just sucks in the meantime that so many other people have to suffer for their beliefs, mistakes and stupidity.
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Robert Chapman
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 11:38 am
James. I think your characterization of Republican officials is too harsh.
Many rank and file Republicans see the way they have lived for decades threatened. I think the strong GOP showing among the aged over sixty backs this up.
In addition to their fear of going the way of the passenger pigeon, the GOP rank and file are highly factionalized into strongly competing and highly incompatible groupings fighting for control.
Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy the top three GOP leaders are not in their positions because of their leadership or political skills, but mainly because they are the least objectionable figures to the various GOP factions.
The humiliation of having to withdraw Plan B after pledging it would pass is indicative of the lack of esteem the leadership hold in their caucus.
What the GOP want is a less weighty factor in US politics today than what the GOP are capable of delivering on.
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Paws
Dec. 28th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
The President has the patience of Job. I do not and would have gone off my own cliff a long time ago and would have been happy to take a few Republicans with me.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 28th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
I think Obama simply told the clowns today, either do it or at my inauguration Im gonna bury ya
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Anne
Dec. 28th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
The Congressional Republicans are completely devoid of common decency, common sense, or of anything except a destructively self-centered desire to remain in office to wreak havoc. I have never held an entire political party in such deep contempt before. My contempt is combined with anger not only at them, but also at the foolish people who are cheering them on in their reckless irresponsibility. We really need to have a mechanism in place to get people like these out of government when they first start acting this stupid. That’s because their stupidity is so costly.
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Andrew Rei
Dec. 28th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
“Starve the Beast”, the GOP/captains of industry/ super-wealthy plan to financially eliminate the government, is the reason behind all of this “Big Government” BS they spout. It’s also the force behind Grover Norquist’s treasonous pledge. The person who wrote that the GOP doesn’t want to govern, they want to rule, is one million percent correct. I call the type of government that the GOP wants a “Fascist Corporate Plutarchy”, a fact about which I’ve been commenting for more than 15 months. If GOP supermajorities in both Houses of Congress and the White House were the result of the 2012 elections, the US would have been an FCP within a year. The GOP, who are run by an FCP, will still try to achieve an FCP for our federal government :( ssmdh
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Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 28th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Im glad I found someone who agrees with me. Corrupt Capitalism cant live with a government in the way. The government has to go along with the constitution and eventually the religion. When they are done using it
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Robert Chapman
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Fascist corporate plutocracy? Really?
We are in much greater danger of being decapitalized as productive tools, machinery and plants are sent overseas.
We Americans have to regain the will to compete with our foreign economic competitors.
We Democrats have to have the poltical courage and vision to start working out reinvestment strategies that will give American workers the tools, machinery and plants to out perform and out compete the planet.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Obama is trying to get work back. The Republicans are figting that at every step.
Many corporations are moving back here. Things may not be as dismal as you assume
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John Taylor
Dec. 28th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
2014 will be the death knell for the GOP. At least half of the people who will lose unemployment benefits voted for republican candidates. They will not forget. The GOP is getting ready to lose half it’s base and doesn’t seem to understand that. It’s going to be a rough couple of years for everyone, but the 2014 elections will see a purge of the extremists and then perhaps governance will again be possible.
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Robert Chapman
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 11:48 am
I sat with a state level GOP fund raiser in Charlotte in 2003 and listened to him extolling the permanent Conservative/GOP majority that was imminent.
Ten years later, what has happened to that?
We Dems need to start thinking on twenty or thirty year time horizons and stop reacting to every jink and pivot the GOP pull.
How will we provide jobs that provide money to save for homes and raise kids for the millions of your Americans working now for $8-11/hr?
Is the home mortgage deduction obsolete? Should we start phasing it out in favor of policies that produce high quality commodious rental homes?
While we have a higher percentage of college youth enrolled than ever before, are we teaching them the skills they need to compete? What about the approximatley fifty percent of kids who do not graduate? What skills do they have to offer?
We still have big problems to solve, belly aching about the GOP isn’t heloing anything.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
You seem awfully intent on protecting the GOP. What is wrong with talking about what they are doing that is wrong?
And stop calling yourself a Dem
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James Daley
Dec. 28th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
The GOP new slogans should be
“We are why government doesn’t work”
Or
“We are the party of ignorance……..& proud of it”
America Terrorists!!!!! Helping Al Qaeda finish the job”
(Not with bullets or bombs just with legislation and ignorance)
“If you haven’t paid us to represent you……you are SOL”
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Kellie
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 12:20 am
The worst part about it is that in 2014 it is unlikely they will lose any seats, no matter performance, because of gerrymandering and the extremists in their districts who will continue to vote R no matter the cost.
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Robert Chapman
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Kelly, thank you. The GOP have an almost unassaible majority in the US House of Representatives until the 2020 redistricting occurs.
Dems should concentrate on the US Senate, state level posts such as Attorneys General, judges and legislators and build stronger bases there.
We also have to figure out how to provide Barack Obama a suitably progressive and well organized successor. This cannot be an eight and out Presidential run and still accomplish the big goals we have for the USA.
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Kenneth Morgan
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Case in point. McConnell is gone to hold up debt to hostage tor Medicare/SS benefits and a chained CPI. This man needs a strong beating
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Robert Chapman
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am
The debt ceiling is another battle and we should not begin it by negotiating among ourselves and alerting McConnell to our pressure points.
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John Taylor
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Kelly, you’re right that the GOP has “stacked the deck”, but with the assumption that their base will stick with them. The inaction of congress is a direct attack on the pocketbooks of much of their base. The GOP is busy cutting the fiscal throats of much of their own base. That doesn’t seem like a well thought out plan… GOPers like to talk about deficit reduction and cutting government spending – as long as it doesn’t cut any help they receive from the government. Despite all the rhetoric, even the extremists will change their tune at the ballot box.
The idea that congress refuses to act because of fear of primaries where there will be a “demand” for even greater conservatism belongs to yesterday. The extremist who wants to play pretend conservatism softens a whole bunch when he/she has no job, no unemployment, no medical insurance, no nothing but his slogans to get through the day.
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Robert Chapman
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 11:56 am
The GOP have stacked the deck. So it is time to change tables.
Work on state electing Dems to Attorney General, to your respective state legislatures and to the benches of the courts in your various states.
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Robert Chapman
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 11:17 am
It might be fun to bash the GOP, but pressure has to be kept on President Obama.
The President is an inveterate deal maker, he is always angling or tweaking for the deal sweetener, expander, or refinement that improves it.
This is a fine and admirable quality when there is no deadline on negotiations.
The House GOP caucus seem to banking on the President’s desperation to avoid the fiscal cliff as their strongest bargaining chip.
The House GOP caucus seem to believe that if they hang tough the President will cave and give them what they want.
We need to keep the pressure on Obama to keep social security off the table, and to hang tough on the tax cut expiration on the top two percent.
If the President can hang tough and get the GOP to crack now, he will own them for the entire second term.
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Rixar13
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Above says it all… sigh
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Thinking Person
Dec. 29th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
WHAT prevents Congress from coming together on January 07, 2012 to negotiate?
Am I missing something?
And, no, I am not in support of the Democratic ‘compromise’ which is hidden as ‘middle’ ground when it is NOTHING OF THE Sort.
Cutting SS when it had nothing to do with the crisis while the bush cuts that did cause the economic tsunami is like Occupy activists being set up for Sniper Fire while HSC walks out scott free.
Democrats and Republicans have sold us out.
MIDDLE Ground will be showing the gosh dang balls to stand up for our Country and what the American People want – not the Koch Bros. – so pull it back to the majority of Americans.
And, remember you all have destroyed our economy so badly we only have about 60% of Americans voting anyway.
Get out of your lobbyist filled offices and get out meet your public and find out where the MIDDLE Ground is because its not making 90 year old ladies pay for these SNAKES’ theft and corruption.
ANy representative who says so should be recalled.
If the KOCH BROS are so darn wonderful, Why didn’t THEY run as Pres and VP? Then shut the heck UP – they are just two American citizens.
And, frankly for all their talk about government being so bad for problem solving, how about these Jerks Solve the Climate Crisis by converting the Killer Oil and Gas Destruption of all Life Industry into Hemp Production? Use its facilities and infrastructure to grow Hemp (NO GMO idiots, God did a perfectly fine job without the Likes of Dirty Monsanto) around the world for paper, construction materials and oh yeah, a way to drive our cars sustainably.
It could be a win win!
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