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As Wayne LaPierre Testified Against Gun Control, Another Multiple Shooting Occurred in Phoenix, AZ
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While Wayne LaPierre was testifying against gun control in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee at least three people in Phoenix, AZ were victimized in another multiple shooting.
Throughout the day, LaPierre has been arguing against any form of gun control. His basic argument against everything, but more guns was laid out in his opening statement, ” While we’re ready to participate in a meaningful effort to solve these pressing problems, we must respectfully – but honestly and firmly – disagree with some members of this committee, many in the media, and all of the gun control groups on what will keep our kids and our streets safe. Law-abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of violent or deranged criminals. Nor do we believe the government should dictate what we can lawfully own and use to protect our families. As I said earlier, we need to be honest about what works and what does not work. Proposals that would only serve to burden the law-abiding have failed in the past and will fail in the future. Semi-automatic firearms have been around for over 100 years. They are among the most popular guns made for hunting, target shooting and self-defense. Despite this fact, Congress banned the manufacture and sale of hundreds of semi-automatic firearms and magazines from 1994 to 2004. Independent studies, including a study from the Clinton Justice Department, proved that ban had no impact on lowering crime. And when it comes to the issue of background checks, let’s be honest – background checks will never be “universal” – because criminals will never submit to them.”
This is the argument that LaPierre has made for hours today, and it was completely undone by one piece of news out of Phoenix, AZ. According to the Arizona Republic, “At least three people are injured after a shooting occurred in Phoenix Wednesday morning, officials said. Around 10:30 a.m., officials reported that three people had suffered gunshot wounds in a building on the 7300 block of 16th Avenue, officials said. It is unknown if the shooter is in custody.”
In a nutshell, this is why the NRA is going to lose this fight. Every time they try to argue that guns aren’t the issue, more people get shot. The NRA has adopted a strategy that I like to call Crazy and Gamey. According to the NRA, the real problems are crazy people and violent video games. The Crazy and Gamey strategy is meant to shift the focus away from the role of guns in gun violence. The fact that people with mental health issues have easy access to guns is not the problem.
While the NRA is blaming everything but the gun, more people are being shot with guns.
For this reason alone, the NRA and their smokescreen of pro-gun propaganda are destined to fail.
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Rae Busch
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Yay, more profit for gun manufacturers, since there will probably be ANOTHER run on guns, by stupid people who think “regulation” equals “prohibition.”
What filth the NRA has become.
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pootinella
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Guns and people CANNOT be separated! It’s impossible. It’s BOTH the guns AND the people, and it’s a crying shame some of these gun lovers can’t understand that concept!
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Reynardine
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Furthermore, today, a fifteen year old girl, an honors student who had appeared with her school band as a drum majorette at the Inauguration, was shot to death as she sheltered from the rain with her companions in a Chicago park. Two others were wounded, but she alone was killed. She had a great future ahead of her. Now she has none at all.
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Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Those dead people don’t matter to these people who believe guns trump life. They’re just collateral damage on their way to thinking the Second Amendment is a God-given right
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Elizabeth 44
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Nobody is talking about the human cost of the gun violence. What might this young woman done to better mankind? We’ll never know. Multiply that times all those killed.
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Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Humans are collateral damage to those who put guns above life.
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Reynardine
Jan. 31st, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Put that on plaques, bumperstickers, and T-shirts, and sell them!
No, scratch the last two. Displaying them might get us shot.
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Debbie Waynick
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Also at the same time a teenage girl was shot and killed, all while he was speaking. Get rid of the guns that only active duty military should be using. President Obama do something about these weapons, also please quit allowing illegal immigrants to enter the United States, illegally. They are taking jobs of Americans, getting free health care, and free education and because they do not speak English well, our schools have become horrible in border states, such as Arizona. Save American education and do not let illegal immigrants go to school, send all illegals back to the country they came from. The wonderful medical treatment they get for free and more cost to Americans. No, they should not get free medical, when a legal US citizen can’t afford to get medical help. It is so wrong. Send the illegal immigrants back to the country they left. Oh and the fires they start which burn down thousands of acres, houses, farms, animals when they try to sneak into the US. They don’t have to pay for my father’s house and shed being burnt to the ground because an illegal immigrant coming across the border lit a fire in Arizona which tore up 1000′s of acres and my father’s home and storage, while they also managed to steal things from the house on their way to a “safe place to hide.”. Do some thing President Obama, do not make me feel as if I wasted my vote on you. God Bless. Save the US citizens from illegals, protect the US citizens and the US land being torn apart. You have the ability to do so.
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majii
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
I understand what you’re saying, Debbie. What we citizens need to do is put pressure on our members of Congress to step up and do their jobs in regard to gun control and immigration reform. John McCain admitted yesterday that the U.S.-Mexico border has been made more secure over the last five years. It’s because President Obama sent 1200 National Guard troops to the border to assist the Border Patrol agents. Also immigration from Mexico is at an all time low, nearly zero, according to Pew’s last research report. Not many Americans seem to know it, but President Obama has deported more undocumented immigrants than any president in recent history.
May 3, 2012
‘Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero—and Perhaps Less’
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/
July 26, 2010~’Deportations Higher Under Obama Than Bush’
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/07/26/128772646/deportations-higher-under-obama-than-bush
7/30/2012~ ‘President Obama: Deporter-In-Chief’
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexnowrasteh/2012/07/30/president-obama-deporter-in-chief/
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PSzymeczek
Jan. 31st, 2013 at 12:30 pm
I did not intend to uprate your comment. Quit the immigrant-bashing.
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Reynardine
Jan. 31st, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Ms. Waynick, I believe the only reason you chose to comment on gun control at all was so you could launch your vicious little screed on immigrants. Waynick, of course, is a Cherokee name…no, Lakota…no, Miccosukee…no, it’s…
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Karen
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Oooh — a bag of mixed crazy!
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Sharon Potts
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
“Independent studies, including a study from the Clinton Justice Department, proved that ban had no impact on lowering crime.”
Maybe, but MASS SHOOTINGS have risen.
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Irene Pickering
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
In regard to your message, not so..Here’s the truth.
Cato’s Kopel dwelled on the study at length, spending several minutes discussing its history and findings. “We do not have to speculate about whether ‘assault weapon’ bans do any good. A Department of Justice study commissioned by the Clinton administration found that they do not,” he explained. “The study found the [Sen. Dianne] Feinstein ban to be a complete failure.”
So is that what the study said? No, according to the author of the study himself. I emailed Koper, now at George Mason University, after the hearing to note that I had a fairly different reading of his paper from that of LaPierre and Koper, and asked if he could sort it out.
“I agree with your reading of our 2004 study,” Koper replied. You can read the full study for yourself here and see that while it was not a ringing endorsement of the assault weapons ban, as many gun control advocates had hoped, it hardly “proved” the law to be a failure, as LaPierre claims. To the contrary, it found some encouraging signs, like an average 40 percent drop in the number of assault weapons used in crimes (some cities saw a drop of over 70 percent) and some benefit from the ban on high-capacity magazines.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Georgia Man Guns Down Immigrant After GPS Sends Him to Wrong Driveway
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/man-69-accused-of-killing-man-who-went-to-wrong-ho/nT8xp/
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Elizabeth 44
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
I blame this partly on those who continue to gin up fear in this country.
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Dan
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Registration keeps people from selling their guns to whoever they want. If they sell it to someone and that person goes out and commits a crime with it, they should be hammered too, and that’s the problem. It will slow gun sales. And you can’t have that if you’re paid by the manufacturers to keep sales high. LaPierre is an effin worm.
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Maranon
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Lots of issues and lots of anger in Debbie’s comments.
1. Since people in the Soutwest have been speaking Spanish since 1500′s, before the USA border crossed their towns, therefore people have the right to continue to speak and conduct business in Spanish (treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo)
2. Now the border wars have come about drug traffic, and since Pablo Escobar in Colombia was taken out, the other guys are fighting for control of a very profitable business, for that we are going to have to do something about the huge demands for drugs in the USA. Not every brown person is involved in that, there are many players.
3. In AZ the dairy council is making their own treaty to import and legalize Mexican workers as they CAN NOT FIND workers here to do that job.
Then those workers pay rent, and buy groceries and pay taxes.
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Elizabeth 44
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
One of the issues with the illegals is that farmers can’t afford the time and money necessary to go through all the hoops/paperwork to have guest workers. The high tech companies have lawyers to do that; the farmer trying to make ends meet can’t. So another piece of this puzzle is improving the process for guest worker visas. Most illegal workers pay income/payroll taxes even though they’ll never collect; they pay sales taxes; they pay property taxes through their rent. Property taxes pay for schools.
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AJ
Jan. 31st, 2013 at 12:29 pm
To all please check the law written for Australia you know that backword country way down south. They banned automatic guns had a buy back program enforced ridge laws and guess what guys…..they have not had a mass shooting since! Crime has dropped it can work when people say it is time for our children to stop dieing! Guns do kill people and automatic guns can kill more people faster!
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PSzymeczek
Jan. 31st, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Re the shooting in Phoenix:
One man dead, one man in critical condition. A woman sustained a fairly serious, but not life threatening injury, shot through the wrist. The shooter, a 70-year-old man, was just found within the past few minutes just up the street from where I currently sit, with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_southeast_valley/mesa/arthur-douglas-harmons-car-body-possibly-found-at-mesa-riverview-police-say
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djchefron(Moderator)
Jan. 31st, 2013 at 2:03 pm
His Rudeness breaks it down so even the mentally challenged can understand it
The Mentally Ill Appear at the Gun Hearing:
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-mentally-ill-appear-at-gun-hearing.html
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David
Jan. 31st, 2013 at 7:12 pm
LaPierre is looking more and more like a sociopath. Even a majority his NRA is supportive of universal background checks. He should go away.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Jan. 31st, 2013 at 7:35 pm
I remember as a kid we had fire drill a couple years in OK there was tornado drills but I would have never imagine I would have drills like this
School Drill Includes Familiarizing Students With the Sound of Gunfire
http://occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com/diane-sweet/school-drill-includes-familiarizing-st
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djchefron(Moderator)
Jan. 31st, 2013 at 10:23 pm
Paranoid NRA Releases Enemy List – Are YOU On It?
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/30/paranoid-nra-releases-enemy-list-are-you-on-it/
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Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 31st, 2013 at 11:29 pm
LOL the GOP has to think on that one, there’s some Jewish orgs there!
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