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Harry Reid Tells Republicans No Deal Unless Big Oil Subsidies are Eliminated

Majority Leader Harry Reid said today that any budget deal must contain new revenue, and he specifically mentioned eliminating subsidies to Big Oil.
Here is the transcript:
HARRY REID: The American people need to understand that it’s not as if we’ve done nothing for the debt. $2.6 trillion. $2.6 trillion already we’ve made in cuts. And all those cuts have come from nondefense programs.
We– we need to k– keep our eye on the prize and continue doing something about spending. But I think that what we need to do is do some of the things that Mitt Romney talked about. He said there’s some low-hanging fruit. There are a lotta tax loopholes that should be closed. I agree with him. We haven’t done that.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Like which ones?
HARRY REID: Well, oil subsidies. We– we– we have– issues dealing with shipping jobs overseas. Why don’t we do some of the– fill some of these—
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: I think if my numbers are correct, if you do the oil and gas subsidies, I think that might save you somethin’ like $25 billion—
HARRY REID: Oh, no– no–
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: –over ten years. It’s gonna extend—
HARRY REID: –oh, no. It’s– it’s—
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: –the sequester by a couple months.
REID: It’s more than that, George. But — but let’s — let’s assume, because the debt ceiling doesn’t kick in until August, I believe that’s what we’ll have, but let’s add these together. Let’s say you’re right, it’s $30 billion. But let’s — jobs overseas, we can dial that however we want, because it’s a huge loss of revenue. Corporate jets, there are all kind of things that are low-hanging fruit that we…
STEPHANOPOULOS: But you’ve heard the Republicans across the board here. They’re saying they’re done with revenues for 2013.
REID: George, the American people are on our side. The American people don’t believe in these austere things. We believe that the rich should contribute. We believe we should fill those tax loopholes, get rid of them, I should say. And that’s where we need to go.
Sen. Reid was correct. The actual amount of federal subsidies to the oil industry is $4 billion per year. This means an elimination of the subsidies would net $40 billion in savings over a decade. This may seem like a drop in the bucket, but as a practical matter it makes no sense to give taxpayer money to an industry that turned an $80 billion profit last year.
President Obama has been targeting the Big Oil subsidy for elimination for years, but he has been blocked by congressional Republicans and some oil state Democrats from eliminating this waste of taxpayer dollars. Republicans always talk about closing tax loopholes and cutting subsidies, but completely freak out at the mention of cutting the subsidies for Big Oil. Reid was suggesting that Democrats use the sequester threat to leverage more revenue out of Republicans. (This is the strategy that John Boehner is counting on using to get spending cuts out of the Democrats. The difference is that public opinion is with Obama and his party.)
If President Obama and the Democrats can get rid of the subsidies to Big Oil, it will be the clearest sign yet that the politics of this country have shifted left. Congressional Republicans may not like it, but unless they want to see dramatic cuts to their favorite military pork projects that send millions of dollars back to their districts and states, they are going to have to eliminate the federal subsidies for Big Oil.
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Just A Dumb Fireman
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 12:41 pm
But the poor struggling oil industry is a job creator, waaahhh, waaahhhh!
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 12:51 pm
It makes us feel good to stick it to the boogie man but Reid is using this chip wrong IMO.Instead he should use this and all corporate welfare as a chip for a real jobs program.
That means the dummycrats have to be united so like unicorns its only fiction
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Brigita Petrutis
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 3:12 pm
I beg to differ. Giving big oil jobs mandates will end up further eroding workers’ rights, dissembling regulation and continued environmental devastation. Politically speaking, they need to be brought under control, not given more of it, over our daily lives, health and welfare. 11 counts of manslaughter in the Gulf incident, and a mere slap on the wrist? It could get even crazier.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Everything you say is true ,so you wont get no argument out of me.But ask the unemployed would they rather have a good paying job or take the oil companies to the woodshed?
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Just askin'
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 3:41 pm
“But ask the unemployed would they rather have a good paying job or take the oil companies to the woodshed?”
How are those mutually exclusive propositions? Ending the subsidies means revenue that can be applied elsewhere, such as debt reduction, infrastructure repair, tax breaks for low income Americans, subsidies for science and medical education, there are thousands of better uses for this money than subsides of Big Oil.
Subsidies to Big Oil don’t mean jobs. Oil exploration is risk taking – your risk, your loss OR your risk, your profit. Ending subsidies merely eats into profit margins and will also reflect the true value of gas at the pump…
Don’t conflate subsidies with good paying jobs because that is a chimera….
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 3:46 pm
You misunderstand my position.I never said oil subsidies created jobs and dont fall for the canard of debt reduction.Austerity does not work.What I am saying is republicans and some dummycrats will fight tooth and nail to keep them.Fine.But for them keeping them enact a jobs program.If you want to eliminate the debt then you have to grow the economy.
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Just askin'
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Umm, yes you did. You posited your statement as if it were a choice.
Go back and read your own statement and if you can’t see that then it is quite possible that your Rethuglican leanings blind you to a simple either/or statement.
If any party in Washington needs the “dummy” moniker attached to it, it is the party of “legitimate rape”, creationism in schools, cutting education funding, stealing from and not paying back the Social Security Trust Fund party, namely, the GOoP….GOoP – the refuge of ignorance.
Clues are available and they are free.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Ummm READING IS FUNDEMENTAL.I said Reid should use this and all subsidies as a bargaining chip for a real jobs program.Look read what I write all of it.Now I am making me a mix dont bother me with your bovine excrement till you have something to say
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robyn ryan
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 11:38 pm
You don’t have children, do you? Some people do, think that those kids deserve a better future than ‘wage slave.’
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Sugapea
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Harry Reid is spot-on: Most American’s don’t even know of these obscene Oil Subsides! Give’m Hell Harry!
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Dan
Feb. 4th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Little do you know is that the oil companies get the same breaks any other industry in the country gets. We cannot just simply cut just the oil companies out. Do a little research before you take this propaganda in.
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UncaJoe
Feb. 4th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Any proof to your claim or is it just something you heard somewhere? Something without Fox, Limbaugh, Beck, Colter etc. ties will suffice.
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Brant Olson
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 2:53 pm
There’s more to be gained from axing oil subsidies. Here’s $8B/year in oil subsidies calculated by NRDC: http://t.co/vk1CkIsP
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majii
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 3:46 pm
They should also eliminate the unnecessary agricultural subsidies. If it is necessary to provide some agricultural subsidies, Congress should make sure that those who get them need them. Michele Bachmannn’s family has a farm for which it receives an ag subsidy while she sits her ass in the House and runs her mouth about cutting needy Americans off from “welfare”, never mentioning that she is a bigger recipient of welfare than any of them are. IMO, Congress should put an end to these type of ag subsidies.
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Ann Williams
Feb. 4th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
I so agree. We could bring in more jobs and use them like DFS workers, just more effective and more efficient…..Make home or farm visits to see just what is really going. It does not cost (until it is implicated and they find a way to screw the gov.) to test the soils, and monitor the weather and growth. not every farmer every season needs subsidies.
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Rho
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Now stop giving subsidies to Monsanto and their poisoned crop seeds, and we’ll really see something turn around, and in so many ways!
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fcefxer
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 5:38 pm
And what do you think will happen to oil prices if subsidies are cut? We will be absorbing that cost personally through higher fuel, heating oil, rents and every business that requires heat will need to raise their prices. Everything we buy including food will be higher because they all need fuel to produce or heat. Boy we will have shown those evil, employing, stock raising bad rich guys….HA!Cough up your personal money now.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Thats why we need to invest in renewables. ASAP
It can be done
Importing Brazil’s Oil Policy
http://makingmindsmatter.com/2011/04/10/importing-brazils-oil-policy/
1. The United States
Wind turbine efficiency is great in the U.S., as more equipment is set up in various places across the nation. This benefits the population immensely and can free the country from its dependence on foreign oil, which pollutes the environment. The U.S. is using wind power generation more than ever before.
http://www.mariah-energy.com/2011/01/top-10-countries-where-wind-turbines-are-used-most-efficiently-%E2%80%93-updated-article-with-new-information/
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majii
Feb. 3rd, 2013 at 7:48 pm
You’re right.That’s what happens in mixed economies via government intervention.That the government gives subsidies to certain industries means we don’t have a pure market economy.If we did,there would be no subsidies-if a company couldn’t operate efficiently, offer its’ products at a price that attracts customers, and couldn’t make a profit while doing it, it would be forced out of the market.In true market economies, pure competition exists, the market would be that of a dog eat dog variety, with only the strongest businesses surviving. As djchefron stated, we need to invest heavily in developing alternative sources of energy. Gas, coal, and oil are finite resources-there are limited amounts in existence, and when it’s gone, it’s gone. This is why farmers in states like Iowa and Colorado were opposed to defunding wind energy projects.Most politicians around the world know we’re running out of coal, gas, and oil.They know we need to develop alternative sources of energy, but they lack the ability to think in the long-term.This has caused many of them, especially in the U.S., to pander to energy companies and thwart attempts to prepare for the day when there will be no oil, coal, or gas. Some scientists have stated that when the U.S. runs out of energy, if we don’t have enough alternate sources of energy, the nation’s economy will revert back that of the late 19th and early 20th Century–that is just how dependent our economy is on oil, gas, coal.
“There are an estimated 1.3 trillion barrels of proven oil reserve left in the world’s major fields, which at present rates of consumption will be sufficient to last 40 years.By 2040, production levels may be down to 15 million barrels per day – around 20% of what we currently consume. It is likely by then that the world’s population will be twice as large, and more of it industrialised (and therefore oil dependent).
http://www.imeche…
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edna
Feb. 4th, 2013 at 7:39 am
with 80 billon in profits they should be made to pay the tax payers back.
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Rixar13
Feb. 4th, 2013 at 11:55 am
“Majority Leader Harry Reid said today that any budget deal must contain new revenue, and he specifically mentioned eliminating subsidies to Big Oil.”
The time has come to eliminate subsidies to Big Oil.
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Ann Williams
Feb. 4th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
We just have to “hope” he stands by it.
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John de Clef Pineiro
Feb. 4th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
If the debt and the deficit are ameliorated or worsened by the level of revenues (and they are reduced or worsened by the level of revenues), then you have to do something to increase revenues.
And what is the most stable way to do this? CREATE JOBS THAT DRAMATICALLY INCREASE REVENUES . . . AND . . . PLUG UP THE MASSIVE REVENUE DRAIN IN THE FORM OF CORPORATE WELFARE — there’s $2.6 TRILLION of Corporate Welfare (over the next ten years) that can and should be the focus of legislative action NOW (see Rex Nutting – MarketWatch http://on.mktw.net/V1psyR via MarketWatch).
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Prantha
Feb. 4th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Query how long it will take for Reid to cave on this, as he caved on changing the filibuster rule…
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Thinking Person
Feb. 4th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
#1 – its more like $100B a YEAR when considering the TAX REFUNDS! Get those figures in there TOO!
#2 – This NON-essential industry (hemp is what cars were made to RUN and be CONSTRUCTED OF – has had INCENTIVES up the whazzo for over 100 years. ITS A PROFITABLE BUSINESS – HELLO – NO MORE INCENTIVES.
#3 – TIE any FUTURE INCENTIVES to the following guidelines:
IF the OIL INDUSTRIES WRITE THE LAWS OF ANY COUNTRY OR FUND ANY ANTI-DEMOCRATIC POLICY,
IF THE OIL INDUSTRIES CONTINUE TO TAKE COVER OF OUR U.S. MILITARY IN ‘SUPPOSED’ DRUG WAR TO HARM OR KILL OR DISPLACE ANY MORE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AROUND THE WORLD (DO YOUR RESEARCH MAINSTREAM MEDIA – Enough ‘Anti-capitalist, Radicals’ tags – you need to KNOW what AMERICAN taxpayers are funding.
IF Oil industries begin transitioning to Economically Sustainable for the Planet Energy forms and makes a date for Withdrawal from the Fossil Fuel ERA.
A FEE each year will be EXTRACTED from its PROFITS to create a CLEAN-UP FUND for all the places these cheating, lying, stealing industries WALK AWAY leaving destruction in their wake and people – sick and dying from their products – are required to LITIGATE – which is hilarious given that after a 40 year drug war, the biggest launderers was HBSC BANK!
And, SEND REID Home!
I want a REAL NEGOTIATOR negotiating deals for the American People.
REID – you negotiated 60 votes when the LAW Requires no such thing!???
Put him on the bench and get some Real HeavyHitters who don’t have to APOLOGIZE for doing the people’s business!
Why privatize, get yourselves working for the American people!
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