Representative (and failed VP nominee) Paul Ryan (R-WI) can tell you all about how great sequestration is. Why, he’s been a fan since 2004. Not just a fan — he’s pushed sequestration as the solution, as good governance, since 2004. When he finally got it in 2011, he bragged about it to Fox News. Oh, the conservatives finally got it, he told Sean Hannity! The holy grail of economic discipline is here! WOO HOO!
Ryan explained, “We want to make it very difficult for Congress to avoid this budget discipline.”
Now that it’s here, though, Paul Ryan no likey the sequester anymore. Budget discipline bad.
Watch James Carter’s (of Mitt Romney 47% video fame) Ryan sequester clip collection here:
The first quote is taken from the House floor on June 24, 2004 when Ryan was proposing a sequester as an amendment to the Spending Control Act of 2004.
Here’s Ryan arguing for an amendment he proposed that would put a sequester in place in 2004 (the first quote is in the video above, the rest is provided for context since it was Ryan proposing the sequester):
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin: Mr. Chairman, this is part of our larger effort, which is in our substitute. But what this will do is allow to have a sequester to kick in if Congress exceeds its spending items. Just like the sequesters we have talked about before in the old Committee on the Budget days, if Congress overspends, because we have this in law, a sequester kicks in and brings spending back into conformity with the budget.
Mr. SPRATT. But that is done already under existing law.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. But we waive our budget caps all of the time under the current system.
Mr. SPRATT. Sure. We would waive them again, put it in a bill, send it to the White House, the President would sign it.
Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin. This way the President could veto breaking the budget caps early in the process and we could keep to these numbers.
And here are the counter arguments offered against his proposal, and why it was not taken up (my bold):
Mr. SPRATT. Well, I am convinced it will prolong the process, complicate the process, and lead to less results rather than better results. It is something we can long argue about.
Mr. NUSSLE. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. SPRATT. I yield to the gentleman from Iowa.
Mr. NUSSLE. Mr. Chairman, I am not going to change the gentleman’s mind, I understand that. But we have heard a lot today about bringing everybody together. There is nothing like bringing everybody together by the need to pass a law as opposed to just passing a resolution. By doing it by resolution, the House can have a version, the other body can have a version, the President has a version. You can go through the entire year with three versions.
I understand we are not going to change the gentleman’s mind or probably a lot of people’s minds, but what the gentleman is suggesting is by doing it this way, everyone has to come together at least once. That is the reason.
The CHAIRMAN pro tempore (Mr. BASS). The time of the gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. SPRATT) has expired. All time has expired.
The question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. RYAN).
further proceedings on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. RYAN) will be postponed.
Okay, so the argument is that everyone has to come together at least once. No wonder Republicans are against it now. They are refusing to raise any revenue — the entire budget must be done their way and only their way or else the economy gets it.
Next clip from January 5, 2007 on the House floor:
Ryan: The reason PAYGO worked well in the 1990s is because it was statutory. If you did not comply, an across-the-board sequestration would take place, and the threat of that was one of the reasons why PAYGO was successful.
The threat of sequestration is one of the reasons why PAYGO was so successful. Got it? Budget discipline good.
Ryan’s statement on the House floor regarding the statutory Pay As You Go Act of 2009 on July 22, 2009:
Ryan: The reason we have a super-majority vote in Congress to break these caps is because we want to make it very difficult. You can never fully tie the hands of a future Congress. We want to make it very difficult for Congress to avoid this budget discipline. We want to make sure that we put a system in place with binding caps that are tough to circumvent, that are backed up with sequesters so that, you know what, Congress actually makes the tough choices.
Oh, so the sequester is all about forcing tough choices in 2009. It’s a great thing in 2009. It’s great when it’s not real.
Ryan on the House floor on July 19, 2011:
Ryan: When it comes to sequester, it’s basically an enforcement mechanism on spending caps.
Gee, do you think Ryan’s been fighting for just such an enforcement mechanism for spending caps ever since he came to Congress? Why, yes, he has, or so he told Fox News just a few weeks later.
Here’s Ryan on Hannity’s Fox News show on August 1, 2011, explaining why he supported sequestration in the Budget Control Act of 2011 (my bold and the first part is not in the video but provided for context):
Ryan: Because we’re cutting spending. Look, is this everything I want? Of course, not. Our budget proposed to cut $6.2 trillion. This cuts $2.1 to $2.4 trillion. First thing we get right off the bat is a trillion dollars out of government agency budgets. We actually got discretionary caps in law. I’ve been fighting for these spending caps ever since the day I came to Congress. We couldn’t even get these kinds of spending caps in the Bush administration. This kind of tells you just how far the culture has changed. So, we got $2.1 trillion to $2.4 trillion in just spending cuts. The president first started off asking us for a blank check, then he asked for a big tax increase, he got none of those, and we kept our pledge, which was we will cut more spending than we will raise the debt limit by. That pledge was maintained.
Notice how Ryan is saying the President got nothing whereas Republicans got 2.1 -2.4 trillion in spending cuts, and yet today, they say the President got everything and so it’s their turn to get nothing but spending cuts. Of course, they are also blaming the President for the sequester that they loved so much.
Ryan: What conservatives like me have been fighting for, for years are statutory caps on spending, legal caps in law that says government agencies cannot spend over a set amount of money. And if they breach that amount across the board, sequester comes in to cut that spending, and you can’t turn that off without a supermajority vote. We got that in law. That is here. So, the best way you can actually bank that trillion dollar spending cut is to have legal caps in law which we haven’t had since the 1990s. We now have them.
Wow, that’s quite a win for the Republicans, eh? They got their 2.4 trillion in cuts, they got the sequester that they’ve always wanted, they got legal caps in law…. Boy things are going to be tight in DC from now on. A new sheriff is in town and he’s going to whip up some budget discipline!
Wait. Ryan wasn’t lovin’ it so much on May 10, 2012:
Ryan: The select committee, people call the Super Committee, that committee failed to produce a result. And as a result of that, a sequester occurs. And the sequester, according to people on a bipartisan basis, is not good government.
But wasn’t this Ryan’s entire raison d’être? Ryan’s been pushing the great sequester since 2004. Perhaps the sequester that Ryan loved so much in theory shares the flaws of his entire economic theory (based as it is upon a work of fiction, this should surprise no one). Turns out, even Paul Ryan thinks his ideas are “not good government.”
It’s a bit late now. After all, the President was trying to find a way to stop Republicans from killing our economy when the sequester was presented as an appeasement of the very hard-lined ideas you read above from Rep. Ryan.
Republicans finally got the object of their desire (budget discipline) that they threatened the country over, and now that it’s here, now that they can have her, they’ve decided they don’t want her anymore.
Sorry, sequester, they’re just not that into you.





Reynardine
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 8:38 am
Well, all along, it’s been their way or no way, and now that it looks like no way, they’re kicking and screaming because it isn’t their way.
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Sandreas
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
The republicans really are destroying themselves, nobody can believe a word they say.
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AnointedSword
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
lol I know you are kidding? There are actual lies that Obama has been caught in and you liberals would follow him into hell.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Well if he lied at least nobody died.And if you bring up Benghazi I WILL BANISH YOU TO HELL
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Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
We can do that?
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
I dont know but I do know unless I find my wedding ring you might be missing a moderator.I am so F#CKED
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Just A Dumb Fireman
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 9:49 am
When is this lying, dilettantish p. o. s. going to fade into the oblivion he so richly deserves?
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Barry Roope
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 11:12 am
Paul Ryan is considered the Republican superstar, who is going to finally convince all Americans that voting against their own best intrests is the right way to to help the Country. The Republicans are so out of touch, they did’nt learn anything this past election, the only thing they learned is when in doubt, say or do something to hurt poor or black people, in Republican circles, this is always a safe position.
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AnointedSword
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
The states can handle all that, DJchefron. With that said, there is plenty of waste elsewhere where they can get the money. Some of you really need to wake up here. They use this tactic so they can receive more money when they clearly can take it from programs that do not work. Instead they want to take it from the fireman or the police. Why? So they can get the uninformed or ignorant to believe they need more taxes. Instead of wasting money on so called green energy (let me translate, more green went into the liberals pockets) how about take from our giving to countries that would love to blow us up? Nah, let us gut our miltary and make us weak and vulnerable.
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Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
I see you are heavily into the koolaide
First, the military would not be gutted. The cuts would be to contractors. We pay more then the next 20 militarys put together, do you think we are going to be vulnerable? Naive at best.
Second all the green money going to liberals pockets is unbelievably naive. We disparately need green energy and while you slept, even the gop takes time out from transvaginal probes and hating women to approve windfarms etc. Its happening.
“can receive more money when they clearly can take it from programs that do not work.” Yada yada yada. Like kids needs and education.
“The states can handle all that, ” The state should no longer be allowed to handle anything, especially the ones owned by the koch
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
Well I see you got your degree in economics from Sharon Angle.Hey how many chickens to build that road.As for the rest of your rant. In order to prevent serious injury, please make sure you are smarter than the equipment you are about to use………
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Anne
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 9:57 am
While I’m glad this tool is not our VP, he is still in Congress trying to wreak havoc along with his fellow simpletons on the right. While I believe that the GOP in its current form has been planting the seeds for its eventual destruction, they are more than capable of doing even more damage than they’ve already done in the name of ideology.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 10:26 am
When any wingnuts come here and they will saying the President was the one who is at fault,like that makes any difference remind them of this.Budget control act of 2011 and the key question is what action it was designed to compel. And on that score, the Budget Control Act there is no ifs,ands or buts.
Unless a joint committee bill achieving an amount greater than $1,200,000,000,000 in deficit reduction as provided in section 401(b)(3)(B)(i)(II) of the Budget Control Act of 2011 is enacted by January 15, 2012, the discretionary spending limits listed in section 251(c) shall be revised, and discretionary appropriations and direct spending shall be reduced.
Key words: “deficit reduction.” Not “spending cuts.”
The joint committee was the Simpson Bowles commission which BTW LYIN RYAN walked away from because well who knows but my guess is it provided revenues for deficit reduction in it
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Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 10:28 am
Could we say he was for it before he was against it?
Ryan is an opportunist. He has no platform unless its the platform of the moment and what can make him look good
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Barry Roope
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 11:41 am
As a Christian, I hope Paul Ryan realizes that lying the way he does is a sin, he plays the part of a good Christian, except on obeying most of it’s tenets. He is a blatant liar, who routinely lies, pretty much constantly. When he looks down on others, for their shortcomings, he makes no effort to be truthful when he speaks. I don’t know how he reconciles his incessant lying with his faith, which requires truth and a certain degree of humbleness, Paul Ryan offers neither, I feel the Lord will punish those in power, who use their power to lie and cheat, when he lies, he hurts more than a few people, his lies affect millions of people, the very same for Mitt Romney. I don’t understand people who would risk their eternal souls to tell some lies, that help or benefit no one. Some people lie to help others, some people lie to not hurt someone’s feelings, he lies to justify big tax breaks for big business and to take money away from School lunch programs for the poor, he does exactly what the Christian faith prohibits, lies to help the rich, while hurting the least among us, I would not trade places with him for all the money in the World, I feel the Lord will judge Paul Ryan, and the outcome might not be very good for him.
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Anne
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 11:46 am
He has definitely earned the moniker of Lyin’Ryan. For someone who professes to be a Christian, he regularly violates three of the Ten Commandments. One commandment warns against bearing false witness against one’ neighbor. That’s where the lying comes in. Another says to love one’s neighbor as oneself. His harmful, regressive economic policies violate this one with his callousness about enacting laws which hurt countless Americans economically. The third one is having no other gods before the Lord. Ryan obviously worships the wealthy, because his policies are all about benefitting them at the expense of everyone else.
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Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 11:50 am
We already know his church doesnt agree with him. Or factions of it
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marshall
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 11:56 am
This guy is dummer than a box of rocks. He will say anything that sounds good to his base, but is just crazy to anybody else. He also reminds me of Alfred E. Newman in his looks.
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Ei
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Sounds like he is ALWAYS for everything until he against it. He’s starting to sound like John McCain. Whatever sounds good to the voters that day but watch out for tomorrow.
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Abbey0506
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
So, the lyin’ douchbag is a lyin’ douchebag….again. What’s the big surprise? Leopards don’t change their spots, do they?
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M. Baker
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
I have a hard time seeing Ryan ever running for President with the record he currently has. He’s lies by omission and distorts the facts to what he believes the people want to hear. The other day he tried to blame the Sequester on Obama by saying he came up with the idea, but never mentioning he was all for at the time and voted for it.
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R.C.Daniel
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
I think this guy is reading into this a bit. Trying to sensationalize something that isn’t there. I believe that Ryan is saying that sequesters need to be in place, but that, any government that let’s a critical program reach the point of sequestration is clearly not doing a good job. Bad government. Similar to unemployment; although many of us would agree that this is a worthwhile program to have in place, should any of us actually find ourselves collecting a welfare check, we would, all of us, most likely judge that something in our lives had gone wrong. I am all for criticizing a dumbass idea when it comes along. Fortunately, there is a seemingly-endless supply of such ideas, especially in the republican party, so there is no need to try to shit out a story where there isn’t one.
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Jonathan
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
Oh my goodness… so much misinformation.
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Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Let me guess. There is so much misinformation you dont know where to start?
We hear it constantly from people who dont know where to start because they have no idea what the misinformation is
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UncaJoe
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
I know, with the technology today they made it look like he actually spoke those words – over and over and over…
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Jimmy Z
Feb. 24th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
A politician flip-flopped, again. Nothing new in DC I see. Mr. Ryan is just another career politician that has proven that greed is the motivator in all politics. How else did he become a millionaire while working in the public sector?
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Bill
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 12:12 am
Lot of ignorant people commenting on this. 2004 and 2013 are completely different things.
There is no budget Congress is working from now. There’s hasn’t been a budget for nearly 4 years due to the Senate wanting to keep the elevated level of spending from the stimulus and doing so via CR’s.
The point behind the sequestration at that point was because you’re working within the framework of a budget.
That doesn’t exist right now. In 2011 the threat of sequestration was to get Congress back to a normal order. You know, the House passes a budget, the Senate passes a budget and then they go to committee to hammer out the differences.
Well, it’s obvious that hasn’t worked. Republicans had no idea how intransigent Democrats would be towards governing as provided by the Constitution.
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Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 12:32 am
Thanks for the chuckle. Has the house written a budget besides the Ryan plan that wouldnt pass a 1st grade class? Nope.
Nice try. Does Boehner refudiate the word compromise? In his own words yes. You can try to blame it on the senate, but you know its the house and the tea thugs that refuse to move
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Bill
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 10:34 am
Umm, yes. The House has passed a budget every single year since Republicans have controlled it. The Senate? Not one.
And I thought it was rather funny reading the comments stating the budget is a House only process. Ludicrous.
Perhaps people need to study the how budget process in our federal government work. I’m not sure if you’re relying on low information morons to just believe you without questioning or if you’re ignorant of the process yourself.
So, are you purposely misleading people or do you not understand the budget process?
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 10:42 am
I just have a couple of questions: how come I ain’t getting hooked up with these powerful psychedelics? Cause obviously, they’re out there!
Do you honestly believe that thing that they passed was serious?Even faux called bullshit when they fact check it.
Fact Check: Ryan budget plan doesn’t actually slash the budget
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/14/fact-check-ryan-budget-plan-doesnt-actually-slash-budget/#ixzz2M1K2FTbA
NEXT
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Harry
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Obama is the author of sequester per Bob Woodward and the Ruplicans are letting him run with it.
Blame all you want this is the truth.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Have you ever heard of the Budget Control Act of 2011.Didn’t think so and Woodward because of hurt feelings didn’t mention it.Why his itty bitty feelings are hurt?Because the President don’t kiss his ass and ever since Watergate his shit stinks.
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John
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Isn’t it true though that Obama himself called for this measure and said that he would veto any action that would prevent this from taking effect?
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 9:24 am
Where do you people get this bovine excrement.Read the Budget Control Act of 2011.Reminder all this came from the hostage taking over raising the debt ceiling.Something that has never happen in the history of the United States.
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Kevin
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 9:54 am
I don’t know how this qualifies as any sort of journalism or writing. “Paul Ryan no likey the sequester anymore. Budget discipline bad.” What university taught you to write like that? I don’t care what year it is, I don’t feel like reading political articles written by a kindergartener. Regardless of whether you’re conservative or liberal, writing such phrases as “no likey” completely remove any seriousnous you’re trying to convey. Write like a professional, and maybe people will believe you are one.
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Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Kevin, the term “no likey the sequester anymore” is slang for does not like. Perhaps you have never been around that type of speaking, but it’s fairly common in some places. It’s an expressive way of speaking.
Maybe you could move on to getting the meaning of the story whether you believe it or not
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Dan
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Besides being unprofessional, it’s racist. “No likey” was typical language used when mocking those of Asian heritage.
The author’s writing loses all credibility when she uses racist language. It shows her subtle, perhaps subconscious bias against Asians.
Sure, Ryan’s not Asian, but that doesn’t excuse the fact that she used such language.
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Dizzy
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 11:20 am
The biggest problem with Obama’s sequestration is that it’s focused on national defense…the one job that the federal government can only do. There’s a lot of opportunity to cut government waste & fraud, but Obama doesn’t want to even consider it. Instead he just wants more taxes to pay for more spending.
Ryan’s sequestration actually wanted politicians to cut waste from jobs that the government had no business in.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 25th, 2013 at 11:33 am
Thats funny.If the goverment couldnt do anything right,then how are you on the innertubes?Or driving on the interstate?And that power grid you use?
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Dan
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
I think you misunderstood. Dizzy was saying that there is only one job that *only* the government can do, and implying that other government efforts could be undertaken by other enitities. There was no aspersion cast on the government’s competence, simply an implication that most other functions could be done by someone else.
There is indeed a tremendous amount of waste. But my question is, since the sequester is just a 2.5%reduction in the scheduled *increase* in spending, why does anybody have to lose a job, or 20% of their pay? Why not just lose 2.5% of their scheduled pay increase? And 2.5% in outlays on future purchases?
The cuts proposed by President Obama are not like him – I don’t understand why he is punishing his employees so when heretofore he has been so supportive of government employees. It’s like he’s panicking or something and has temporarily let go of common sense. Is he planning on banking these excess cuts to reduce the deficit and just calling it the sequester? He really ought to be open on this, it could backfire.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
I’m not sure what you are saying so if you care to explain it better maybe I can answer
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Ken
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 9:52 am
And STILL waiting on the Senate to do its JOB and publish a BUDGET. Haven’t done one in four YEARS. In the private sector they would be FIRED!
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Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 10:04 am
The house creates the budget
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Dan
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Actually the House, Senate, and President each are supposed to produce a budget. However, revenue bills (tax bills) do have to originate in the House.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Have you ever read the Constitution you cherish?
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Kiahna Williams
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
I do believe good politiking is being able to change your mind. That is the beauty of our political process. That said, I wouldn’t call Paul Ryan a liar. I believe him to be honest I have heard him admit mistakes on House Resolutions and such many times. If they are truly “grooming” him for 2016, let the populus decide.
I have read and studied the constitution many times in my life. It is a complicated, inspired document and one that should be looked upon and studied over and over. Particularly by our Congressmen and Congresswomen.
I keep hearing my 8th grade Constitution teacher’s voice in my mind, “All money bills originate in the House” Yes, that is true in Article 1 of the Constitution. That is why there is a House appropriations committee I beleive. All taxes originate in the House as well. They are to report the appropriations to the Senate, and based upon the Budget Act of 1974 the Senate is directed to legislate a Budget. They have a committee established for this purpose as well.
So when people say that the Senate has not created or drafted a budget in three years (since 2009) that is a fact. It is there job. At least that is my understanding after reading Aritcle 1 of the Constitution and the Budget Act of 1974.
http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/98-472.pdf
One more thing, I am living and breathing sequestration. I live in a Navy town. My husband is an engineer and works for the Department of Defense. This outcome will effect thousands of families and their livelihood. So really I don’t care who said what first, but rather that our government is responsible in it’s spending. I live within a budget, I can only spend “x” number of dollars per month, and yet my grandchildren are going to grow up paying a debt they will probably never be able to pay.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
OK We will use The Congressional Budget Process Timetable
The President submits a budget – Check
The President’s Budget for Fiscal Year 2013
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget
Congressional Budget Office submits economic and budget
outlook report to Budget Committees. – Check
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43907-BudgetOutlook.pdf
Committees submit views and estimates to Budget Committees. – Check
Views and Estimates of the Committee on Financial Services on Matters to be Set Forth in the Concurrent Resolution on the Budget for Fiscal Year 2013
http://financialservices.house.gov/uploadedfiles/bills-112-budgetfy2013.pdf
Senate Budget Committee reports budget resolution.Not check. Reason.Its not due till April 1st
So now we wait for the Senate.In the meantime you want responsibility?Then call Boehner and tell him the Budget control act of 2011 which the sequester came from is for deficit reduction not spending cuts.And stop comparing a household budget to the government .At best it makes you sound naive at worst ignorant.
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Dan
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Um, spending cuts are deficit reduction.
The Senate still has time to submit a budget, and they may yet do it this year. However, sad to say, they have not produced a budget for the past few fiscal years, ie, they did not produce one in April 2012, April 2011, April 2010, and I believe, April 2009.
President Obama *has* submitted budgets, so it is curious that the Senate has not.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Umm no its not.It is regressive and immoral.Plus it has been proven austerity does notwork .
IMF Officials: We Were Wrong About Austerity
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-04/imf-officials-we-were-wrong-about-austerity.html
You can not grow by contracting.
Also if you are interested the deficit has fallen and still falling under the President.Google the CBO deficit reductions from 2009 to 2013
And if you truly interested instead of being a mouthpiece for republican talking points Here is some further reading material
Achieving Further Deficit Reduction Solely Through Spending Cuts Entails Cutting Entitlements That Benefit the Poor and Middle Class While Shielding the Biggest Entitlements for the Wealthy
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3884
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Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 26th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
During the campaign Ryan lied until his eyes bled. I am that is not his normal nature, and I’m sure it had a great deal to do with what the Romney campaign was telling him to do. But it appears that he has picked up the habit
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Michael Rhodes
Feb. 27th, 2013 at 5:33 am
He said on a bipartisan basis most people think it is not good government. He is expressing the popular opinion. Not his own.
Poor reading comprehension and bias produce lies. Of course, you would agree were he a Democrat you were defending. So ready for your hypocritical attacks.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 27th, 2013 at 5:51 am
No what he his expressing is his galt fantasies that he thinks are popular
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boergirl
Feb. 27th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Wow- real professional website here. If the moderators can’t defend their position, just don’t publish the rebuttal argument. Mature.
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 27th, 2013 at 9:03 am
And how are we not defending our position to your standards.Sometimes I get tired of repeating the same things over and over again to people who are mentally challenged.Go through the comments and you would see that.How many times can you say “What part of______________ you dont understand?Plus unlike you people who only repeat what your drug addicted portly idol, we provide links to back us up.
So when I mock I used what is general principle{GP)
“GP” is a powerful rule. Its like the hidden trump 2nd high Joker (disguised a “where to order more ‘BEE’ products” card) Its arbitrary and and yet justifiable
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Shiva(Moderator)
Feb. 27th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Did you expect your abusive post top be allowed to stay?
Intelligence is not your strong point is it?
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djchefron(Moderator)
Feb. 27th, 2013 at 9:20 am
COWARDS!!! All of them.Just hit and run and then emailing the ohter idiots to tell them”I told them libs off”I have more respect for the CONS who stay and try to debate than the one hit non wonders
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