I am old enough to recall a number of frightening sensations swirling through the nation’s collective psyche immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Those who lived in major urban centers were prone to Pavlovian responses of dread at the mere sight of a low flying aircraft. The delivery of an unexpected package elicited fleeting concerns of surprise explosives, and those receiving mail in corporate settings and government offices had to wonder if anthrax could be part of an envelope’s special delivery. It was a rightfully paranoid time.
One source of comfort to be found in terrifying circumstances is knowledge. Knowing your attacker, your would-be assailant, permits power in the form of an action plan. When the culprits of the World Trade Center and Pentagon atrocities proved to be Al Qaeda-directed terrorists, the nation came together behind an all-out assault upon the foreign groups responsible for our united fear and suffering.
In 2013, the threat of chemical attack by mail has returned, this time in the form of ricin. According to a report from Good Morning America, “The toxin, which comes from castor beans, stops cells from synthesizing proteins so victims can suffer organ failure.” Ricin has experienced pop cultural ascendancy in recent years as a recurring plot point on popular AMC drama Breaking Bad. Anti-hero Walter White, a former mild-mannered chemistry teacher turned methamphetamine kingpin, uses ricin to intimidate and control potential drug cartel enemies.
However, to ascertain the root cause of the recent spate of ricin-laced letter attacks, directed at everyone from New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg to President Barack Obama, we need not look to the inspiration of fictional characters. Real-life villains exist within the ranks of overreaching lobby groups, inciting chaos under the guise of Second Amendment defense.
Consider the paraphrased text of one such letter delivered to gun-control advocate Bloomberg’s New York office last week. Per a report from Fox News, New York Police Department Commissioner Raymond “Kelly said the unsigned letter says, in so many words: ‘Anyone who comes for my guns will be shot in the face.’”
Now where would this deranged domestic terrorist get the idea that President Obama and Michael Bloomberg, advocates for a safer, more rational exercise of the right to bear arms, might instead demand complete surrender of personal weapons? Let us hearken back to a February 2013 Op-Ed piece in the Daily Caller from National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre. Amongst a number of verbal gems, LaPierre included this thinly veiled reference to the Newtown school shootings: “A heinous act of mass murder—either by terrorists or by some psychotic who should have been locked up long ago—will be the pretext to unleash a tsunami of gun control.”
Ok but that’s just one quote taken out of context right? LaPierre didn’t really mean to suggest that failed Congressional efforts to institute common-sense universal background checks were a threat to law-abiding gun owners. No one is that crazy.
February 10, 2012, The Washington Times: “All that first term, lip service to gun owners is just part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment during his second term.”
May 4, 2013, Huffington Post: “‘political and media elites’ have tried to use Sandy Hook and other recent shootings ‘to blame us, to shame us, to compromise our freedom for their agenda….We will never surrender our guns, never,’ LaPierre told several thousand people during the organization’s annual member meeting.”
We are a people that loves justice. The reason that so many incarnations of Law & Order and CSI have experienced television ratings success is because of the appeal of the suspense boilerplate: a crime is committed, guys in uniform discover weapon and motive, emotional trial ensues, outlaw goes to the clink. It’s simple. It’s just. It’s satisfying.
I’m no prosecuting attorney but it seems to me that there’s a direct correlation between the prolific, fear-inciting rhetoric of Wayne LaPierre and the NRA, and the homicidal threats against the lives of pro-gun control elected leaders. Is a bystander who knowingly allows harm to occur guilty of something? If the answer is yes (and it is), then Wayne LaPierre is an accessory to each and every one of these ricin crimes. He may not have supplied the chemicals, but he and his group continue to dish out motive in dangerous, irresponsible bucketfuls.
Haul him to the precinct, turn on the hot lights and file some charges. I’m serious. If it’s illegal to yell “Fire!” in a public place and incite a riot, there should be no distinction between trumping up an imagined threat to the Second Amendment and standing smugly aside as violence ensues.





as promised
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 8:24 pm
I believe they are happily inciting the mentally deficient sector of their “cause”. They don’t care a bit. You are correct, this endless stream of unsupported bile from the NRA and their media stooges should have consequences and ownership.
They want to see the government ‘in action’…..just keep it up. They’ll see action, all right.
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Accur81
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 12:17 am
Clearly gun nuts are mentally deficient. The obvious solution to a Sandy Hook or Aurora situation is to shelter in place and call 911. Hiding behind a cellular telephone and an over developed sense of moral superiority is far superior than returning accurate fire against an armed assailant. Consider the soldier stabbed to death in England. You could use your cell phone to video tape the situation while some moron from the NRA would rather shoot the attacker.
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Swagman
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 2:52 am
Hmmm: Good point!
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Churchlady320
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 8:28 pm
I do not dispute the morally reprehensible impact of the NRA and Mr. Wayne, but no, he is NOT ‘directly responsible’ for the loonies of the world.
Still and all, people act as individuals. If we extend the logic, then all of us can be held culpable for the zany and outrageous acts of zealots and extremists who CHOSE to misinterpret our words.
LaPierre and his ilk foment hyped up fear. The Right chooses to believe it. The few act out because they believe, but the ACTS remain their own. However much I agree that there is a ‘climate’ of fear because of what people say – is it any different from the Left who claim Obama is as bad as Bush? Will we pillory our own when some anarchist or self style communist idiot does something horrible – or will we, like the Right, distance ourselves because, after all, that one person’s acts were his or her own choice?
We need to hold people accountable for what they say, but that does not include other people’s direct actions. To each…
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Sarah D. Mutt
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 8:42 pm
That’s like say Osama bin Laden wasn’t a terrorist because he only fomented hatred and his followers acted on their own.
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Rick Shreiner
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 9:52 pm
First of all, nobody is misinterpreting Wayne LaPiere’s words.
What he says is specific, and patently false. As this article points out, free speech is limited in the event expressed words are the cause of violence.
Don’t let yourself be fooled, the genocide of Nazi Germany is blamed on the leaders who fanned the flames of hatred, and thereby caused average citizens to commit atrocious acts on other human beings.
While neither Hitler or Chatles Manson were physically involved in murder, both were guilty of the crime, through their influencing of others to do so.
You’re making excuses for the A$$HOLES of the NRA who are Members of Team Slaughter, and Apologizing For Mayhem.
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steven Wilga
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 6:19 am
and you are making excuses for Obama
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Reynardine
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 8:34 pm
What we are looking at is the problem of stochastic terrorism. The incitement does not suggest an explicit course of action ( at least not explicitly); it is not directed at a specific actor; yet the rhetoric is such, and the audience is such, that someone, somewhere, is going to be provoked to a lawless act. How, under our First Amendment, do you hold someone responsible for the dogwhistles, the crosshairs, the “Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest? Just kidding (wink, wink) ” coded instructions? There is no question in my mind that the incitement is intentional and its results foreseeable. But just try to make a case of it…
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Sally
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 9:04 pm
But it IS directed at specific people: specifically, President Obama. According to the NRA, he’s coming for the guns. According to Beck, he’ll drop a drone on you if you disagree with him. According to Fox, he watched and cheered as 4 people died in Benghazi and is responsible for the OK tornado too. The deranged gun owner hears this crap day after day and decides to take action. Ricin. Ricin would work. They use it on TV. It is pitiful, but it is also treason from the right. Inciting violence (Palin did it in her 2008 rallies too) and not too subtly calling for the death of Obama.
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Reynardine
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 9:14 pm
Not too subtly, but just short of falling within the provisions of the U.S. Code. In short, regardless of how big their mouths may seem, they are being advised… expertly advised…by someone.
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fabucat
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Very interesting, but under the Brandenberg v. Ohio case, on cannot be arrested for making nebulous threats. Instead, only people who make specific, direct threats can be arrested.
You may not like that, but it’s the law.
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Shiva
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 9:42 pm
And today the SCOTUS said they can take DNA legally. No more then a finger print
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Reynardine
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 10:10 pm
This is less a Brandenburg or Watts type case than a Beauharnais one, and it may well require a pattern of incidents to make Beauharnais applicable.
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ProChoiceGrandma
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 10:17 pm
The rantings of NRA’s Wayne LaPierre inciting violence against advocates of gun safety is equivalent to the rantings of anti-abortion extremists like Randall Terry inciting violence against abortion doctors. Their tactics are the same – rile up the lunatics to carry out the dirty work for them while they wash the blood off their hands for any responsibility.
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Fred Williams
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 10:44 pm
Gun People would not use Ricin. They would use GUNS. And the timing of these letters is off. Why send letters now. ProGun people have already won the battle.
It is much more likely that Anti Gun People or Bloomberg’s own people did this.
And from what I hear, it was not real ricin. Something close to Ricin to setoff a detector.
This incident smells bad. As in Fake.
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Shiva
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 10:53 pm
No they havent won the battle. Its going to be brougt back up.
And yes, gun nuits are not right in the head. they would use chemicals when they know they cant get close with their peni…er guns
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Mike Taylor
Jun. 11th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
This is *EXACTLY* what it was — it’s all over the headlines today. Anti-gun wife trying to frame her pro-gun husband and get him “eliminated” (one way or another) by the government.
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Shiva
Jun. 11th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Do yourself a favor and get a credible link to your claim. The only thing I can find about her today is
“After the Elvis impersonator incident in which the FBI appeared to have nabbed the wrong guy, the agency took a closer look at Ms. Richardson’s allegations, and a lie detector test apparently showed she was lying. She then admitted to sending the letters herself, the FBI says, but still maintained that her husband forced her to do it.”
Further
“Attorney John Delk, who represents Nathan Richardson, said his client is divorcing his wife and claimed she was trying to set him up when she contacted authorities about the letters. “There are a lot of factors I’m aware of that indicate (he) was set up in this deal by her,” Delk said.”
I seen a link yesterday to a gun site that said she was anti-gun. It seems there is absolutely no credible mainstream news sources saying this
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Mike Taylor
Jun. 11th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Wow, so then you’re not very adept at using the internet, are you? Or is it all an act so you don’t have to admit to being an alarmist and willing to lie for your cause?
* http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57588361/fbi-shannon-richardson-tried-to-frame-husband-for-ricin-letters-sent-to-obama-bloomberg/
* http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/07/us-usa-obama-letter-idUSBRE95615S20130607
* http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/arrest-made-connection-ricin-letters-case/story?id=19349648#.Ubef0Ba6D3E
* http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/06/07/texas-woman-reported-arrested-in-connection-with-ricin-laced-letters-sent-to-president/2400989/
* http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/07/18829206-texas-woman-arrested-in-ricin-letters-to-obama-bloomberg-officials?lite
Thanks for all the arrogant, snotty, self-righteous responses you’ve been giving to everyone here who speaks the truth.
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Shiva
Jun. 11th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Mike, your links are common knowledge.
Your claim
“This is *EXACTLY* what it was — it’s all over the headlines today. Anti-gun wife trying to frame her pro-gun husband and get him “eliminated” (one way or another) by the government.”
If you cant prove that, then stop posting. We both know you are pushing the anti gun widfe pro gun husband bit you seen on a gun site.
Now get cracking
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Trent0o0o0
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 10:45 pm
I can’t wait till they find the Liberal that committed these acts. This was all a ruse, this was to further gun control…. Wait and see…
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Shiva
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 10:52 pm
If you remember he was a gun nut. Decidedly not a liberal. He was one of you. The whole thing was becuase he beleived Obama was going to take his peni….er guns away
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Reynardine
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 11:52 pm
I think you and Fred, there, need to look up “monomania”.
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Doug Brown
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 9:01 am
FYI They found the guy, in MS and it was ricin,but poorly made……I don’t know why it is assumed to be an NRA instigated plot, I have seen no evidence to suggest such…..sorry but this article is not up to the normal standards Politicus has shown in the past.
Facts make for good journalism…..speculation is for the rightwing fringe.
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Reynardine
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
First of all, the Elvis impersonator wasn’t the guy. Secondly, that wasn’t the only guy. A whole rash of those appeared recently, originating in the Pacific Northwest, directed at (inter alia) the President and Mayor Bloomberg; there have been letters threatening armed violence also, specifically in retaliation for any kind of gun control. These acts, worthy only of a jelly-assed coward, are ongoing. Kindly keep yourself current on these matters before trying to dismiss them.
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Alex z
Jun. 3rd, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Implying that Wayne lapierre and the NRA are responsible is the very type of fiery uneducated rhetoric that you detest when it’s coming from the other side.
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Accur81
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 12:22 am
Of course the NRA is responsible – they teach responsible ownership of firearms. What could possibly be more reprehensible – teaching people to drive safely?
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Chris W
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 1:33 am
It’s amazing how unfounded some of these comments are. You really think the police will be there in time to save your life? They will get there just in time to mark the chalkline around your dead defensless body. They are more trained on how to write reports than protect your life. Think about it – there is only 1 cop to about every 50,000 people at best. It’s physically impossible for them to anticipate a crime and be there to stop it before it happens, so unless you can protect yourself, you just picked your own demise. Good luck! I choose to be able to protect myself and my family. I made my choice & You are free to make Your Own, I guarantee the result will be different
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JW
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 11:31 pm
Well said.
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clennis05
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 2:09 am
So, are you impying that Wayne LePew told the truth to the American people that Prez Obama was going to take everyone’s guns Alex? I think not Mr. Racist sir. Ya’ cain’t justify misinformation and purposely lying, Dammit…I mean Alex z. I’m sorry for calling you Dammit.
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Gaiachild
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 8:48 am
Well with that kind of thinking we should prosecute the Liberal media for calling for the death of Wayne Lapierre and all NRA members. We have good evidence for prosecution since they maybe their intentions know on live tv during a national news broadcast… We should prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.. Speaking of the liberal news media, why wasn’t the news anchor in the Washington news office prosecuted for having an illegal rifle magazine on national tv prosecuted? So it swing both was here. It’s a simple concept this is a free country of free men and women if you do not want to own a gun do not own one, but do not tell other people that they can not posess a gun that not your or the government right to do…. After all it is written in the Bill of RIGHTS and is a GOD given right not a government given right..
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Shiva
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 8:54 am
No, its not a god given right.
your creator given rights are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Not the right to kill 30,000 people a year. There is nothing in the constitution that says the right to own weapons is a creator given right.
Thats a HUGE stretch
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Doug Brown
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 9:28 am
Shiva, you and I agree on many things, but gun rights are not one of those things. We can argue all day about the second amendment and it’s wording, but we’d be overlooking something……. Inalienable rights, the rights that our founding fathers considered so obvious that they didn’t include them in the Constitution or the Bill Of Rights “Among these rights are Life,Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness….Life is the right to protect one’s life and the means to do so. The 2nd amendment has been upheld by SCOTUS…..and they gave the States room to regulate…..I believe that this takes gun control away from Congress.
I’m a liberal that supports gun rights AND common sense regulation.
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Shiva
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 9:38 am
I am not against gun ownership. In fact I have my own hunting rifle. I am against people owning guns like assault weapons which are totally unnecessary and should not even be produced for use on the street. But the right to bear arms is not an inalienable right. the odds of you ever using a gun to protect yourself are remote. You can use that excuse and that’s fine, but now you need to start including healthcare and other things that go into maintaining a life
But you are wrong about the government or Congress being able to regulate guns. I do not remember the name of the case, but the government has the right to regulate what types of weapons you can have. Anything left to the states, is left to corruption. I no longer have any confidence in any state to do the right thing.
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xiy123
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Neither I nor the millions of legal gun owners out there killed those 30,000 people. The vast majority of those deaths were suicides. The rest were mainly criminals shooting other criminals.
Who gets to determine what types of guns you get to own? When they start calling your hunting rifle a sniper weapon, don’t act too surprised, because that’s essentially what they are doing now and you’re taking it hook, line and sinker. There is nothing inherently innate about a semiauto rifle that makes it an assault weapon, they are used by millions of people every day for lawful purposes, such as hunting, and competition shooting. I call it a modern sporting rifle. The term “assault weapon” was coined back in the 80s when gun control advocates wanted to confuse the general public into banning something that was already banned.
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Shiva
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
Bullshit. You lost your guns, you shot your neighbors in disputes, you drank and killed a family member. DOnt blame it on others.
Your weak explanation on assault weapons is just that. Weak and doesnt take into account the damage it can do in a very short period of time.
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JW
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 11:51 pm
Shiva, your comments are ironic especially given that your Avatar (pun intended) represents destruction… And yes, creation.
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Shiva
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
I wouldnt confuse one with the other.
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orion
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 9:54 am
Shiva, you espouse things as though they are fact, but you really need to review your BASIC knowledge of this countries “Charters of Freedom”
“Life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness” is mentioned nowhere in the US Constitution. It’s from the Declaration of Independence. Moreover it is from the PREAMBLE to the DoI which does NOT constitute law.
Our inalienable rights are enumerated in the Bill of Rights, the first TEN amendments to the US Constitution, which ARE law.
The second amendment is clearly among those inalienable, god-given, constitutionally protected rights.
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djchefron
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Why do you forget to add the first part of that amendment?
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Shiva
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 10:23 am
BS. There is nothing that says they are inalienable rights. There are no god given laws. Your gun laws come from the Magna carta, from wich a great many of our laws come
from.
You can think a god gave you the right to bear arms, but anyone with a brain will laugh at you. Is the 2nd a constitutionally protected right? yes. A god given right? Not so much. Go ye forth and kill
I know where “Life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness” comes from. Its also where the creator thing comes from and that has nothing to do with Amendments
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djchefron
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 9:04 am
If you could post a link to where these so called liberal media called for the death of any NRA members or its this just the scuttlebutt you and your peeps while fondling your guns made up to justify your stance?
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xiy123
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/06/02/professor-calls-for-nra-members-to-be-shot-by-firing-squad-for-treason-73879
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djchefron
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Really? A professor.Is that the best or shall I say worst you can come up with.The original charge was someone in the media and in the democratic party .Now he may have register as a democrat I dont know but I do know this A professor at Marshall U does not set policy for the democratic party.
YOU NOT ONLY FAIL BUT YOU COULD BOOKED A FLIGHT ON THE HINDENBURG CHANGE YOUR MIND ,SAILED ON THE TITANIC AND IT WOULDNT EQUAL TO THIS FAIL.
Begone young one.Dont waste my time again
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Shiva
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/04/texas-tea-party-leader-gop-doesnt-want-black-people-to-vote/
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djchefron
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
Saw that earlier I posted in the thread about what is the real reason republicans don’t like the President.Which is his white half so they cant be racist.
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Accur81
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 12:58 am
How about social media?
http://twitchy.com/2012/12/21/kill-yourselves-nra-death-threats-calls-for-suicide-abound-after-nra-presser/
There are plenty of asinine comments about the NRA having blood on its hands, never mind that more people are murdered with hammers and clubs every year than with all rifles combined. Research the FBI Uniform Crime Report statistics if you so desire.
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djchefron
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 1:13 am
Are you serious? You going on facebook to make your point? Tell the truth.You’re bored right now.Its going to alright.Take a deep breath put on some headphones and turn on some music and relax.Oh take this piece of advise.Do not get your opinions from facebook,twitter the two people who still use myspace just dont do it Peace
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Accur81
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 10:18 am
@ dj,
Those were Twitter accounts, sir. Relax and switch to decaf. Those who hate firearms are clearly willing to resort to threatening and offensive language, given the percieved moral superiority of their cause.
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djchefron
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 10:47 am
I dont run twitter,I cant tell people on what or how they chose to express themselves all I can do is be me and try to be careful with how I express myself.Sometimes I fail and when I cross the line I do try to apologize.Thats all anyone can do.
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Doc 03911
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 9:07 am
It isn’t illegal to yell fire in a theater if there is in fact a real fire.
According to the author, any bystander that did not to help by using a fire extinguisher to put out the blaze should be hauled away, tried and convicted, sentenced to life in prison for the injuries and deaths that had occurred before the fire department showed up. The manufactures of what ever sparked the fire and fed the fire should be held responsible and hung for inciting death and injury, no proof needed, just opinions of non-lawyers.
Makes perfect sense to me. /s
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Gaiachild
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Shiva where in my post did I say anything about going out and killing people? I didn’t ,was illustrating a point, that its ok for the liberals and liberal news media call to prosecute the NRA for inciting violence all the while doing the same thing themselves. Oh and self protection is a god give right for every animal. You also just illustrated my right for self protection,the right to life, which means I also have a god given right to protect my life….
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Shiva
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 9:13 am
the right to bear arms come straight from the Magna Carta. It has nothing to do with a God, you are assuming that some God gave the right to self protection. Those are your words not the Constitution or the law.
by your logic, seeing how people have the right to defend themselves, the Bill of Rights says that the creator gave people the right to life. That includes healthcare doesn’t it.
You have nothing that’s God-given. Everything you’ve got is given by the man or by the government.
As far as a liberal news media calling to prosecute the NRA for inciting violence, are you stating that the NRA does not incite violence? Are you saying that insane Wayne does not state that Obama is coming for your guns? That everybody should be armed for that day?
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xiy123
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
At least according to a Justice Department memo, the only way to make an assault weapons ban effective is mandatory gun confiscation.
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Kurt Hofmann
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 9:55 am
That’s hilarious. It’s the NRA’s fault that crazy people act, well . . . crazy. Figured out a way to blame “global warming” on the NRA yet?
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djchefron
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 10:02 am
Yeah if Wayne would just shut up it wouldn’t be so much hot air contributing to the carbon levels in the atmosphere.BTW its climate change like a increase of strength in tornadoes in the southeastern part of the United States,more powerful hurricanes in the North Atlantic,the melting ice caps that’s is changing the ocean patterns coming up from the gulf stuff like that.Pick up a science book sometimes you just might learn something.
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Doug Brown
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 10:02 am
“but now you need to start including healthcare and other things that go into maintaining a life”
Yes I do……….LOL!
Look machine guns are illegal……banning “assault weapons” like the AR-15 did nothing to stop gun violence in the 90′s…..this is bad gun control. Enhanced background checks aren’t perfect, but they are the best gun control.
The fact that Congress could not pass a law that 92% of Americans supported, tells me that our Congress is the seat of corruption.
Look, Shiva….we should just agree to disagree, we have too much in common to argue this.
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Tiffany
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
I’ve been saying for a long time that the NRA is a domestic terrorist organization; they should be held accountable. But, good look with that: just look at the anti-choice terrorists; have they ever been brought up on terrorism charges? Not that I know of. These right wing terror groups seem to have some sort of immunity.
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xiy123
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
What about Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground, how come he hasn’t been arrested? What about Eric Holder and his selling of firearms to Mexican Drug Cartels? It seems to me that it’s the left that gets immunity.
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Shiva
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Holder didnt sell guns to the Mexicans.
Why dont you read up on Ayers?
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Accur81
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 12:27 am
Correct. He gave them away. The US government will also be providing arms to the Syrian rebels. Not to worry, as long as the government performs an action, it automatically transcends moral reproach.
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Richard Smith
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
NRA membership is at an all time high.Five million and growing more and more every day. The NRA is a civil rights organization, who speaks for its membership. There are polls that actually show that 90% of NRA members supported the failed “expanded background checks” Doesn’t it seem strange that if 90% if the membership at odds with what the leadership is doing that the membership us not just surviving, but thriving? The actual polling of NRA members by the NRA showsa completely different picture. And yet the anti rights side still throws those fake numbers out hoping the American people are ignorant enough to buy into it. The NRA us a powerhouse ..
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Shiva
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
if the NRA speaks for its membership, then there are about 5 million in the US that need to be disarmed immediately. Beucase their speaker is quite insane
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xiy123
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
What’s wrong with speaking out against a gun ban? What’s wrong with more armed security in schools?
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Shiva
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
I guess you want more kids killed.
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Accur81
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 12:33 am
Interesting. You are saying that NRA members want more kids killed because they support lawful self defense and responsible firearm ownership. It sounds like you are the one who is insane. By the way, I’ve passed three separate background investigations and a psychological evaluation to hold my current occupation. If you could point me to anything resembling a fact to substantiate the NRA’s alleged “pro child murder” stance, I will rescind my membership immediately.
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cbpelto
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 10:25 am
TO: Shiva
RE: Heh
I guess you want more kids killed. — Shiva
With a nom des blogs such as you’ve chosen, I’d be careful in bandying about the idea of who wants to see more kids killed.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.]
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Shiva
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 10:29 am
and the lamb is killing the wolves, their children, their neighbors, and everybody else around to the tune of 30,000 a year. Liberty is not someone being armed and forcing the vote. You must come from Somalia.
But then again because you’re not too bright I’m going to remind you of the police trying to shoot a suspect in front of the Empire state building and shooting nine spectators while they were at it. You of course would support more children being killed because you think the lamb should be armed
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Matt in FL
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
I’m curious how many more comments than 48 there would be if the ones that disagree you weren’t being deleted and their submitters banned?
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djchefron
Jun. 4th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
Actually that’s all that came in on this post.As long as you are half way sane we will get posted .That dont mean you tell your friends and the first things out their mouth is commiesocialistbaby killinggunsnatching sumbitch they will get trashcanned
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Matt in FL
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 12:51 am
Well, that’s fair, I suppose. I just heard about a couple getting deleted, but I don’t know there exact content. There may have been some of that in them.
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djchefron
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 12:57 am
In a way its sad for both sides.Sometimes I have crossed the line because of something someone said but if we cant agree to disagree civilly we will never learn.Believe it or not sometimes a conservative may say something and I will scratch my head and say Duh I didnt know that but if the opening line makes you want to puke then you will never be heard and you just might have something useful to add.
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cbpelto
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 9:43 am
TO: Becky Sarwate
RE: Please….
….provide the evidence that the ricin was sent by a member of the NRA.
I find it ‘interesting’ that the story has dropped off the proverbial ‘radar’ so quickly. And that no one has been identified as the perp. Especially when the federal government was so quick to nail who sent the earlier letters.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....eventually.....]
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Shiva
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 10:26 am
what we have here is another member of the brainless club. Nowhere is in the article does it say that the ricin was sent by a member of the NRA. It discusses the fact that the insane rhetoric from insane Wayne prompts people to do these things.
Chuckle, please go back to school
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cbpelto
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 11:11 am
TO: Shiva
RE: Heh
what we have here is another member of the brainless club. — Shiva
All I did was point out that Shiva—the Hindu god also called “The Destroyer”, is not a good choice for someone who is worried about kids being killed.
And you call me ‘brainless’.
So much for the alleged ‘rules of engagement’ espoused by djchefron.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Do get back to us when you have:
• 60+ years on this ball-o-dirt
• Are Airborne-Ranger qualified
• And are a member of Mensa
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Shiva
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 11:30 am
Nice try.
My response to you was ” Nowhere is in the article does it say that the ricin was sent by a member of the NRA. It discusses the fact that the insane rhetoric from insane Wayne prompts people to do these things.”
If you have a response to that go for it. In the meantime I am off to the gym
A member of Mensa would know that its
“am a member of Mensa” not are.
“Am Airborne Ranger qualified” Good for you but what does that have to do with anything?
I am 63.
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Phil Wilson
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 10:50 am
Interesting point of view. OK, by your reasoning you are directly responsible for all harm that comes to victims of violent crime in DC, New York, Chicago, LA, and similar places in which it is essentially impossible to get a permit to carry a weapon for personal protection? Doesn’t make much sense to me, but it follows directly from your position.
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Shiva
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 10:59 am
An intelligent person understands that while the city of Chicago may ban guns, you can drive 15 min. out of the city and buy weapons. You can buy them to sell within the city illegally.
If that doesn’t make much sense to you then why would you even bring it up? This website doesn’t advocate zero gun ownership. And you are just making up a scenario that doesn’t make much sense to you.
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djchefron
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 10:59 am
Why is it so hard for you people to understand that even though those places with the exception of LA has strict gun laws but the surrounding areas dont.I mean its like you want to be stuck on stupid.You want to protect your rights and keep the guns out of the hands of people who give you a bad name?Support the ban on straw purchases and do checks at gun shows.That is all
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Accur81
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Why is it so hard for you to understand that criminals don’t obey gun laws? Adam Lanza murdered his mother and stole firearms from her. Lanza took his stolen firearms to Sandy Hook and killed an additional 26 people. Please advise me, as I seem to be such a vacant vessel, which background check gun laws would have prevented Lanza from embarking on his massacre? Incidentally, Gun Free Zones are the location for the majority of mass shootings.
I didn’t support the first background check law because it was budgeted for $100 million a year for FY 2014-2017. It also required FFL transfers to the point that a neighbor watching your house for more than a week would cause you both to be felons. And as a felon, your firearms would be confiscated. Load 8 rounds in a 10 round magazine, and NYPD will confiscate your firearms. Of course Obama is adamant that no one will come for come for your firearms while promoting laws that have confiscation as a punishment.
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djchefron
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Well if his mother had any common sense she would have locked her weapons away and not teach a mentally ill person how to use them.I wont get into the end of the world propaganda that she fed into his and her mind because you can believe what you want oto believe.
Of course people will break the law to obtain things they otherwise shouldn’t have but that the most asinine argument there is for not doing nothing.Its against the law to drink and drive but people still do it but it also has cut down on drunk driving fatalities.Again no one is talking about confiscation but if people believe that then I cant reason with a delusional person.
As far as cost I guess you may have a point but if something could have been done to save my child and it was only a 100 million knowing that billions was stolen in Iraq and not peep was raised about it I would be pissed.So to save some money you have condemn my child’s life as collateral damage because you don’t want to go through a background check.We are living in a sick society
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cbpelto
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
TO: djchefron
RE: Speaking of Which….
Of course people will break the law to obtain things they otherwise shouldn’t have but that the most asinine argument there is for not doing nothing.Its against the law to drink and drive but people still do it but it also has cut down on drunk driving fatalities. — djchefron
….you’re beginning to realize that it’s more than merely (1) access to guns and (2) mental illness. People—especially the Godless kind—will break the law. No matter what the Law says.
[Continued Below....]
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cbpelto
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
[....Continued from Above.....]
Again no one is talking about confiscation but if people believe that then I cant reason with a delusional person. — djchefron
No. Here, Becky is calling NRA members ‘criminals’ inciting the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Not mere ‘confiscation’. Something much, much worse.
So it’s not a matter of your attempting to cope with the ‘delusional’. Indeed. It seems to be more a matter of someone’s inability to read/comprehend English.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.]
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djchefron
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
And as great as a Person Becky is,where and how is she able to write laws for gun confiscation?My position is this all weapons should be tightly regulated but I also live in reality where there is a middle ground where reasonable people could meet to protect everyone’s rights.
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cbpelto
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
TO: djchefron
RE: Confiscation?
And as great as a Person Becky is,where and how is she able to write laws for gun confiscation? — djchefron
You’re not answering the allegation I made earlier, properly. You keep bringing up xiy123′s comment. And now you’re alluding to the idea that Becky brought it up.
xiy123 is talking about the only way a ban on so-called assault rifles could be implemented, by confiscation.
In the mean time, Becky is calling NRA members murderers without a shred of evidence regarding the latest ricin poison-pen letters.
Hope that helps….but I’m beginning to have some doubts.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[What good is it if I talk in flowers if you're thinking in pastry?]
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djchefron
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Oh baby jeebus, When there was an assault weapon ban in 1994 did any gubbmint agents confiscate any weapons? Look no matter what anyone says no matter what the evidence you will believe the government will knock on your door and take your guns.So lets just end this because its not going anywhere.You take what private citizens say and run with it like its official government policy.I dont argue with people who subscribe to infowars type sites I just cant but I feel a lot better that you are on that fence protecting us against agenda 21 and the black helicopters.Peace or is that word some evil scheme to further an agenda
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Shiva
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Listen Chef, this guy cant get it through his head that the article says its Insane Waynes rhetoric, not the fact that insane wayne directly called for a member to send Ricin.
I say let him die a lonely death wherever it is he is getting his reading classes from
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cbpelto
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 11:14 am
TO: djchefron
RE: Gun Show Checks & Straw Purchases
Support the ban on straw purchases and do checks at gun shows.That is all. — djchefron
Sorry to tell you this, but Colorado has both of those and yet Holmes got himself weapons to kill 12 in the Aurora theater.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. What is lacking in all of this gun-control debate is a good Root-Cause Analysis. The article here itself is evidence of that.
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Flash
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
The U.S.A. is in debt 17 trillion and experts expect it to take 20 years to get balanced. Our police forces are laying off officers’ everyday throughout this nation. The latest figures for police for 100,000 people are 256 officers for 2010. Out of 131 countries with number 1 being the most police per 100,000 the U.S.A. ranks number 101 in the list. One of the least protected countries. The number of police are getting lower every day and many crimes they don’t even respond to because they don’t have the time. Eric Holder was asked, why do you not arrest the people that try to buy a gun that should not have one? His response was, they didn’t have the time! In ever increasing acts of terrorism on homeland soil, we must consider the overall safety of our citizens. We have people coming to this country every day from all over the world, many with criminal backgrounds, to reap the wealth from the American people. With the world’s criminals racing to our country and our police forces at an…
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Accur81
Jun. 5th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Well said, sir. Those who support gun control tend to give little facts other than the 30,000 per year killed by firearms, which is inflated by 11,000 suicides per year. Suicide is not dependent of means – suicide is achievable by many means and other countries such as Thailand have much higher suicide rates where firearms are not used. If you factor the number of murders by gang members – often shooting other gang members, the rates are even less. Gun control advocates don’t want to touch the fact that governments have murdered approximately 260 million people from 1900-2000. Gun control advocates focus on events like Aurora and Sandy Hook which support their narrative, and conveniently ignore defensive gun uses which far out outnumber firearm murders and accidents.
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Kurt Hofmann
Jun. 6th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Care to respond to a rebuttal?
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djchefron
Jun. 6th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Has it come to this Kurt?No one reads your less say lack of journalistic integrity of a paper you are now trolling for clicks to your article?Anyway thanks for the link though in the future please stop calling our authors fanatics.It doesnt look good when you take a dump outside and then ask to be welcome into our house.
Now nowhere did O’Donnell said what you claim he said thats a figment of your imagination.And if some took what O’Donnell said to blame the NRA well that would be a stretch to say the least.So please till you hear the people who make policy and laws come out and say silly things then this faux outrage on your part is well,MARLARKEY
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Kurt Hofmann
Jun. 8th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
By the way, has your fanatic . . . oops, I mean “author,” figured out a way to keep blaming this on the NRA, rather than on a bitter b-grade actress trying to frame her husband? ;-)
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Shiva
Jun. 8th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Kurt. this is going to hurt your feelings because you’re not very bright. This was not blamed on NRA members, but on the rhetoric used by people within the NRA. When you cannot refute that you have to try to say things that show you’re not very bright. Goodbye Kurt
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Shiva
Jun. 6th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Your article refers to “Obama saying that the Constitution is “an imperfect document,” reflecting “deep flaws in American culture,”
Beck stole an old smear from Rush Limbaugh by playing a clip of Obama saying that the Constitution is “an imperfect document.” But though Obama was referring to the document’s treatment of slaves when he said that, Beck cleverly edited Obama’s comment to leave that part out. He also selectively edited out Obama’s statement that the Constitution is “a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now.”
Rebuttal? More right wing garbage
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