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Once Again America Expects Obama To Clean Up Another Republican Fiscal Mess
For many people, the idea of completing a task in a relaxed manner leads to procrastination because without a narrow field of time, or particular point in time, by which an objective or task must be accomplished, important undertakings would never see fruition. The current fiscal cliff deadline is, in reality, an arbitrary date with little meaning because if it is not met by December 31, the talks would continue early in 2013 and would, more than likely, result in a plan not unlike one that eventually is passed. Washington legislators are notorious for waiting till the last minute to reach agreements on anything and whether it is for negotiating leverage or apathetic reasons, there was little doubt Republicans and the President would come to some kind of agreement. Yesterday President Obama sent Speaker John Boehner a third proposal as a compromise to avert the Republicans’ fiscal cliff.
The President’s proposal is another sign of his willingness to acquiesce to the voters’ will that Democrats and Republicans compromise to reduce the deficit while allowing the economy to continue recovering. There are some aspects of the President’s proposal that will dismay his Democratic base, but he has held firm to his promise that taxes on the wealthiest Americans revert to Clinton-era levels while protecting working families as well as an aging population depending on Medicare and Social Security to survive during their retirement years. The good news is that the President resisted calls to raise the Medicare retirement age from 65 to 67, and it is welcomed news for millions of baby-boomers entering retirement and a prospect of two years without healthcare coverage. The White House intimated the proposal was not the President’s final offer, but with Congress anxious to head home for the holidays, it is difficult to imagine negotiations carrying on much longer.
The new proposal calls for $1.2 trillion in new revenue that is down from the President’s original offer of $1.6 trillion, and second of $1.4 trillion, and should be easier for Boehner to take back to Republicans for moaning and groaning about inflicting pain on so-called job creators, but accept and pass the deal. The new proposal calls for Bush-era rates to remain in place for income under $400,000 annually and is a good counter-offer to Boehner’s call for incomes under $1 million in response to the President’s initial proposal of $250,000. Obviously, many Democrats will oppose the lower threshold, but compared to just a year ago, it is nearly unimaginable the prospect of raising taxes on the rich is in the realm of possibility.
In what will be difficult for many in the progressive caucus to swallow is allowing the payroll tax cut passed two years ago to lapse without an apparent replacement, but the President’s plan does call for an unemployment benefit extension and funding for infrastructure spending Republicans have obstructed and claim is better spent on more tax breaks for the rich. The one part of the proposal Republicans will have the hardest time swallowing is a demand that the nation’s debt limit be raised for two years, and allowance for Congress to periodically vote to not raise the limit, but the deal gives the President veto power over any congressional opposition. The President is well within his right to veto any refusal to raise the debt ceiling because the Constitution clearly says in Section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment that, “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, shall not be questioned,” and any attempts by Congress to question the debt, or cause a default on the debt is a Constitutional violation. There are some scholars who claim the 14th Amendment only applied to debt incurred during the Civil War, but they are the same adherents who argue for a textualist interpretation that Section 4 clearly meets. Undoubtedly, if the President invoked a Constitutional provision to avert a credit default it would invariably lead to a court battle because this President is an African American Democrat.
Republicans should be comfortable with the level of spending cuts in the President’s latest offer because it pairs the level of cuts with revenue increases that, coupled with last year’s debt ceiling standoff of a trillion dollars in spending cuts and those in his latest proposal, amounts to $3.4 trillion in deficit reduction. Adding in savings from winding down the wars exceeds $4 trillion that is closer to the President’s initial plan Republicans rejected last year that led to the Super-Committee’s failure and the current fiscal cliff deadline. The GOP could have averted sequestration cuts, the dreaded fiscal cliff, and a credit downgrade if they had accepted the President’s $4 trillion balanced approach in 2011, but then again expecting Republicans to work with the President has been a fantasy for four years. In fact, the President’s latest offer will reach the same levels of spending cuts and revenue increases he called for last year that sent Republicans into an obstructionist fit the nation’s economy, and citizens, have suffered for the past year.
The American people have signaled time and time again that they expect their representatives to compromise to solve the nation’s problems, and President Obama has fulfilled his part of the deal since he was elected. His latest fiscal cliff offer is further proof that, despite what Republicans claim, he is willing to make concessions to move the country forward, and follow the will of the people. President Obama won reelection on the promise of raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans while making hard choices to cut the deficit that does not include gutting Medicare and Social Security. His latest offer will not entirely satisfy many Democrats, but he has put forth an offer that can pass both houses of Congress if Republicans drop their aversion to tax increases for the wealthy and Draconian cuts to American’s retirement and healthcare accounts.
As of last night, Boehner had not commented on the President’s latest offer, but with a deadline looming and legislators panting to be home for the holidays, time is running out for a solution that avoids the fiscal cliff and uncertainty in the markets. John Boehner has an opportunity to show some leadership and corral recalcitrant teabaggers’ absurd demand that all deficit reduction comes solely from spending cuts, and if he is either unwilling, or unable, to compromise with the President, then when the deadline passes and the economy reacts negatively, Americans will rightly blame Republicans. It is just unfortunate that Republican obstruction sent the nation to the brink of another fiscal crisis they could have easily avoided if they had accepted the “grand bargain” the President and Boehner reached over a year ago, and will now probably save the economy from going over the Republican-caused fiscal cliff.
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Deborah Foster
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Dismay Democrats? Dismay? If there are any others like me, they are seriously pissed and pulling their hair out. He went from a position of strength, holding all the cards, the nation behind him, to “willingness to acquiesce.” Voters aren’t freaking out about bipartisanship right now. There isn’t another election in sight. In my opinion, this is just another example of my party throwing away its spine. If this were the Republicans holding the upper hand, they’d hold on to it like rabid dogs, consequences be damned, until they won. And they would. And the entire country would forget whether or not they were “bipartisan” as they always do. This is the worst Congress in history, and yet they were all re-elected. Clearly, the American people aren’t punishing them for their transgressions or holding them accountable for their COMPLETE lack of bipartisanship for the past two years. I think Americans are just flapping their jaws when they claim that’s what they want. I’m sorry but the breaking news yesterday of Obama’s latest “offer” was only bad news. He had Boehner and company against the rail, and now his back is against it. They are going to keep holding out until they can get even more out of him, because he has signaled that they can.
djchefron
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Well call me rip van winkle because I see the same gnashing of teeth during the last fiscal crisis where the President cave yada,yada,yada.Please take some time and read this
The Myth of the Obama Cave-In
With the “fiscal cliff” looming, the conventional wisdom is that the president capitulated during the last tax cut fight. Here’s what really happened.
www.motherjones.com/polit...
Jason Easley
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Deborah,
Your comment brings up an interesting point that I would like to put out there. Anonymous media reports are part of the bargaining process. Until anyone sees the offer in writing, they may be getting excited over media speculation and partisan framing. In my opinion, and this is a message for everyone, we shouldn’t get too high or low until we know what the final deal looks like.
Deborah Foster
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Just noticed your picture. It’s nice to see what you look like and know more personally whose team I’m on :-). I know I said this a long time ago, but it’s worth repeating. This is one damn fine website, and you should be proud of it.
Deborah Foster
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
This was a formal offer made by the White House, not just a media rumor. It included spending cuts, entitlement “reform” as well as the tax bracket increase. I maybe could have lived with the $250 to $400k. Eh, fine. But, to throw in spending cuts and an inflation adjustment for Social Security? WTH. It was an unnecessary, self-defeating move. I’ll lay down a friendly wager with you. We come out of this deal with at least a million as the tax cutoff, and 1 trillion in net spending cuts (rather than Obama’s latest offer of $850 billion) as well as changes to Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. These negotiations will go further and further away from our position from this point on. If I’m wrong, I’ll write a post humbly discussing how wrong I was.
sandy
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
I am truly disgusted with Obama. Don’t even want to call him president anymore. Spineless sellout. He disgusts me.
TStMauro
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Obama is trying to get a deal done. Everyone is going to have to put some skin in the game.
savageDOG
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
i spent 5 months beating my head to a wall convincing people that THIS president was the only choice.
if this goes down every republican in next presidential election will bring this up, and every inch that dems have reclaimed will go backward x2.
and final proof there is no difference in any candidate.
so i will join in the other idiots and begin stockpiling guns and ammo, because when we get fucked enough, hungry enough, tired of the bullshit enough, i will go elite asshole hunting
L
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
This president is doing nothing but turning this country into a Communist country. Everything I see is the same thing that happened in Russia. Get your head out of the closet.
Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
How is he doing that?
TStMauro
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Huh? Specifics, please. Also, Russia was never really a communist country in my opinion. There were those at the top who got all the perks and then there was everyone else. Some what like this country.
djchefron
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Can you please me what were the causes of the Russian Revolution of 1917?Or are you talking about the Wild west capitalism of the Russia of today?
Betsy
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Typical hair on fire comments from fair weather Obama supporters. I trust the President.
margarita Contreras
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
I totally agree with you Deborah, he is breaking down again, and it is a pity.. With all the support from the public, the President should not be the one to change his position. I am disappointed that he has gone this route again, pleasing the Republican Party’s agenda. I can only shake my head,
Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Negotiations are ongoing. Lets wait and see
luciboo
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
I have a thought. Why can’t we eliminate SSI and Medicare for those earning over$250000 a year and let them keep their tax cuts? It is obvious the wealthy do not care about these programs because Republicans are always trying to destroy them. Then maybe everyone would be happy.
Deborah Foster
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Their Social Security payment for a year would be perhaps, at the highest end, $40,000. Their Medicare, perhaps worth, an estimated, $50,000. Their tax bill would be potentially millions. So we give up their Social Security money, saving us less than $100,000 a year to lose out on millions? How does that work out for the country?
Sally
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
I’m not upset yet. This President has a way of pulling irons out of the fire at the last minute. He is a shrewd negotiator, and makes Boehner look foolish day in and day out (I admit, that isn’t very hard to do!) So hang in there…the GOP will hang itself yet.
majii
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
However this deal turns out, some are going to be upset about something. All I ask is that all Americans remember that they are not the ones in the hot seat having to deal with the recalcitrant republicans and some of the wavering, gutless democrats in Congress, and that they remember that in a compromise, no one walks away with everything he/she wants. I would also remind dems/progressives about what happened in the debt limit/budget negotiations in 2011. Too many of us fell prey to republican and MSM talking points and labeled the president a “sellout” and accused him of “caving” to republicans, but it turned out that President Obama was a skilled negotiator and the economy responded positively to the concessions he wrested from the republicans. I am refusing to set my hair on fire before I have a chance to examine, and weigh the pros and cons of, the provisions that are included in the final deal. I am also refusing to take my ball and go home, because in politics, that’s a losing strategy every frigging time. When dems/progressives stop fighting for what we want and the things we believe in, it allows republicans to increase their power and stranglehold on us and our government. I always keep in mind that also, in government, there are additional opportunities to tweak a piece of legislation.
Deborah Foster
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Bernie Sanders is often a thought leader for me, and he’s ticked off. He thinks we just stepped on a slippery slope, and in particular, cannot believe that an offer from our side included any cuts to earned benefits. As he said today, this deal has consequences. Less benefits for veterans. Heating assistance for the poor cut. Food stamps cut. Public education slashed. It’s not a theoretical issue. It’s going to happen. This offer just hurt millions more people and we can’t go back now. It will never get any better than the offer as it stands now. It can only get worse. That’s not a winning negotiation. Whenever it comes down to Bernie or Obama, I’m going to go with Bernie.
Hsu,Chih-Wei.
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Help me,
Taiwan is Bad.No love.
sabreen60
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
So what are all you hair-on-fire emotional progressives going to say when you are proved wrong AGAIN?
Deborah Foster
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Again? The first time being?
The educational program I work for, TRiO, which serves people in poverty has ALREADY been cut by millions of dollars. Several hundred programs have shut down, including the one that helped me escape poverty. We’re bracing for the next round of cuts that are obviously coming, and we’re just one program. Our hair’s not on fire. We’ve been bald since our hair burned off in the last bonfire of the compromises.
Hsu,Chih-Wei.
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
I a request to United States Government to assist my family immigration, please??Taiwan people on the island our disadvantaged single parent families are false and they/didn’t love their Taiwan people no morals even has knowledge of the island grew up to lie is shirking its responsibilities crowding out talent musical talents and use our innocent we held a lot of Fame and money, and losses related to the … And they/they do not want to assume responsibility for all … I on the Taiwan island boys and girls are very disappointed … /They may be disappointing to them … And ungrateful not understand cherish, we ignore our interests … Deceive us … I want to emigrate to the United States Government. … Okay??? Please send help. … All I would like to move to United States live and work you want to have one of the best … Okay??? Thank the United States Government我一個人請求美國政府協助我全家移民好嗎??
台灣島上的人對待我們弱勢族群單親家庭很虛情假意沒愛心而且她們/他們台灣島人沒有道德就算擁有學識從小到長大愛說謊很會推卸責任排擠人才陷害人才和利用我們讓我們無辜承擔好多名譽和金錢和相關的損失…而且他們/她們不想負起全部的責任…我對台灣島上的男生和女生很失望…對她們/他們好是令人失望…而且忘恩負義不懂得珍惜我們漠視我們的權益…騙我們…我要移民為美國政府工作…好嗎???請派員協助…我要全部搬到美國居住並且想要擁有個一個最好的工作…好嗎???感謝美國政府
Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 18th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Sorry taiwan, you are writing this in the wrong place. Direct your request to the State Department or the American Embassy in Taiwan
clarence swinney
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am
CLINTON TO BUSH TO OBAMA
Who Dug the Deep Hole? Who Fumbled the ball?
Numbers rounded
Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget
Bush Left Obama a 3500 Budget
Clinton left Bush a 240B Surplus as far as the eye can see
Bush left Obama a 1400B Deficit as far as the eye can see
Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt
Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt
Clinton left Bush a 237,000 net new jobs created per month
Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest number since Hoover.
Clinton left Bush 17 Million Manufacturing Jobs
Bush left Obama 11 Million Manufacturing Jobs
Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow
Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow
Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men
Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars. Enmity of 1500 Million Muslims
Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment Yes! 8500 not just 700
Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
Bush increased maximum loan by Fannie/Freddie from $153,000 in 2000 to $300,000 then to $729,000
That is how F&F got stuck with so many toxic mortgages. Bush gift to Big Bank pals.
Bush increased FDIC maximum deposit coverage from $100,000 to $250,000. Help the rich.
Leah Schaeffer
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
The people of the US need to remember a couple of very important facts that Clarence Swinney’s post ignores.
The Clinton presidency benefitted from the first Republican controlled congress in 40 years.
The Bush presidency was limited because of the democratic congress that blocked his efforts to regulate Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac.
The dems are the folks you want it all there way 100% of the time. For example when a democrat is office and has problems, the blame is all on an unsupportive Congress. When a Republican is in office the blame is all on the President. For example All of Obama’s trouble is the result of a Republican influence and the Republicans voice is just to be difficult. Yet when Bush was in office much of the “mess” that has been laid solely at his feet is the result of a democratic Congress.
Most importantly people would do well to recognize that this double standard of the popular democrats thinking has very serious consequences: What if the reality of our current situation is the result of a completely wrong assumption?
What if “Bush’s Mess” is actually Obama’s plan, goal, and dream: A bankrupt America? There is considerable evidence to support that Obama and unfortunately most democrats will not consider the Republican view of the economy with an open mind. It seems as if they think we shouldn’t have but one view and there isn’t any room for honest debate and discussion that might lead to better solutions.
Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Good grief. The propaganda is strong with this one
Obama’s plan is a bankrupt America? Would that also be the Bush plan as thats how he left us? Why on earth would you think that is Obama’s plan? There is no crtedible evidence to prove that off the wall statement
The funny part is that you are blind to the fact that Obama is trying to negotiate with a GOP that refuses to negotiate
www.examiner.com/article/...
Remember not a dime is spent without the congress.
Joy
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 11:26 am
All you weak Obama so called supporters, if Romney had won you would not be in discussion about compromising cuts because you would be devastated by being non existant in any negotiations. All would be vouchered and slashed. The POTUS is not a dictator. He must negotiate with the House. Many who were disillusioned and stayed home in the midterm elections are the reason so many die hard Tea Party reps are now powerful in our Congress and state governments which are making the budgeting decisions. Negotiation does not mean Obama and the Dems take all. It doesn’t work that way. The GOP has gained more through obstruction and blocking. No one gets everything they want. President Obama said raising the SS age to 67 was not an option. Taxes the rich is an option. That is holding firm. He’s also negotiating for unemployment benefits and the debt ceiling raised for 2 years to avoid this nonsense and avoid a court battle by the GOP if he increases it anyway. When the Bush tax cuts were first extended no one talked about the negotiation for unemployment benefits and the arms deal, etc. You become as bad as the MSM who simply needs talking points to get some ratings. The support for the President is not just in voting but also in governing. He’s actually the strongest, smartest, bravest, most compassionate, honest President this country has had since Lincoln. Give me a break & give him one. He fights the long game. His life has been threatened more than any modern President. He’s pressured from the right, the left and in between. I have much respect for Bernie Sanders but he does not have enough support in the real world that we live in. The President governs juggling several huge tasks at the same time, the debt ceiling, the fiscal cliff, gun control, consoling the grief stricken nation, Benghazi, major cabinet changes, Syria, Egypt, Israel, Palestine, GOP obstruction on EVERYTHING, racism, bigotry, marriage equality, womens rights, voting rights, union rights, and on &…
Anne
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
We also bear responsibility when we choose not to vote on the erroneous grounds that it makes no difference which party comes to power. So, a good deal of blame goes to many of us. There are too many who are into instant gratification, which translates into instant results in solving long-standing problems. The Republicans count on this as well as the way some of us seem to forget how all of this started. We are reaping the bitter harvest of what originated under Ronald Reagan, and some of us still don’t connect the dots.
Deborah Foster
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
You’ve actually hit on exactly what I have written on for my PoliticusUSA article for this week (mine come out on Sundays, so it will still be a while). I think Democrats do bear responsibility for getting us to this point by letting this jackasses get into the House in the first place.
Joy
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
I agree. I was first laid off under Reagan and I tried to talk to people then and no one would listen until the whole department was removed and then they had second thoughts, but then it was too late, the damage was done. The pressure should be on Boehner and Congress and that is not happening. Obama has to absorb all the pressure from both sides and in the middle and be constantly disrespected in the midst of it regardless of what he accomplishes.
Joy
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Sorry for my ranting, but we have a role here too in this to play as Democratic citizens and that’s to be a supportive united front. We can let our concerns be known but not by demeaning the President. The GOP lives for that and then they feel stronger. Democracy has never been an easy quick fight. Ask the middle east. President Obama is still cleaning up the disastrous Bush years and so much obstruction since. But it’s going to take some smart strategies and not just a quick power grab. If we as citizens were sitting in the hundreds of thousands outside the steps of Congress, then maybe our support would be meaningful, but our votes are not enough. Please let him do the job he was elected to do and try to understand what that really means in the real world that we are currently living in. This was an excellent post by the way and thanks again PoliticsUSA for your continued desire to bring sanity to modern day journalism.
Joy
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Oh and I left out one crucial huge responsibility President Obama is still dealing and that’s the Afghanistan war and it’s draw down and vets. To call him weak is without conscious. And without his fight for the middle class and those who are struggling in poverty, the GOP would have had more power to demolish their very existence.
Doris ~
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
I know a few things for sure….I did not vote for Obama to become a cream puff for the rethugs and I did not vote for Obama to mess with medicare,medicaid or social security and I did not vote for Obama to lie to his supporters and I did not vote for Obama to reneig on the majority who voted for him and I did not vote for Obama to slap me in the face and had I known we would get to this point of the games I would have not voted at all and that would have been a vote for RobMe.
djchefron
Dec. 20th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Where exactly are you getting your information from?And if didn’t vote for President Obama how is he slapping you in the face.And do you think robme ‘plan to privatize SS and medicare you would be better off?Finally did you vote?
djchefron
Dec. 20th, 2012 at 10:28 am
I want to apologize I didn’t fully understand your post.If I read it correctly this time it seems you did vote for the President.But you do understand the President is not a dictator who can just give out unicorns?Good governing is the art of compromising and from my vantage point he gave the rethugs enough rope to hang themselves with.
Doris ~
Dec. 20th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
F.Y.I. I voted for Obama and I see clearly what the obstructionist do and I am hoping that the president does not cave in to the party of he// no whose only goal is to obstruct and I do realize that he is not a dictator and had he been a dictator this country would be much much better at this point and in the meantime & in between time, I am sick & tired of being sick & tired of the THUGS who are wasting our tax dollars day after day after day and these unpatriotic,scheming,racist all need to go and I can’t wait for 2014…..
djchefron
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
People calm down,take a chill pill for gawdsakes move to Seattle to get a grip.Take a few moments and think about what is going on.The orange one came up with his plan b it might as well be plan 9 from outer space because it ain’t happening.Boner today miss happy hour because he was on the floor trying to get votes from republicans .You know why?Because his plan raises taxes and no spending cuts.I kid you not.So called republican principles Kaput.If you think the teabaggers are going for that well you are kidding yourself.Now I think the President is going long here and unless Boner backs down we are going over the cliff.Which might be the best thing.So if we go over the cliff we will get defense cuts that we only dream of.Tax cuts automatically goes up for everyone which will force a vote for just the middleclass tax cuts.The rethugs will be box in on that one and I want to see them refused to go along.Look the President will force them to support higher stimulus spending,make them renege on the pledge to little grover and split the republican party forcing a civil war and maybe a saner republican party will emerge.In the end this is shaping up for a big win for Democrats.
djchefron
Dec. 20th, 2012 at 8:02 am
This freakout over Social Security I think is because people are scrathing their heads saying WTF is the CPI.As much as I try to stay informed I was wondering the same thing.Here are some views with links to people have a better understanding of it.
Dear Liberals, Chained CPI is NOT a “Cut” to Social Security. Get Over It.
www.thepeoplesview.net/20...
Social Security Bend Points Explained
financialducksinarow.com/...
The Chained CPI: A Response to Robert Kuttner
www.offthechartsblog.org/...