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American Family Association Says Religious Freedom For All
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The American Family Association (AFA), identified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), and the folks who paid for Rick Perry’s dominionist prayer-fast in Houston on August 6, has decided that it’s time to point out that Bryan Fischer doesn’t speak for them, even though he is their Director of Issues Analysis. It’s not that they haven’t said this before, pointing out that his blog is his own “opinion” but now they’ve decided to make that point more more clearly.
The point of contention is that Fischer has said repeatedly that the First Amendment applies only to Christians. The new fundamentalist narrative is that the First Amendment in fact established Christianity as the new nation’s official religion, even though the First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”.
Fischer: “Islam has no fundamental First Amendment claims, for the simple reason that it was not written to protect the religion of Islam. Islam is entitled only to the religious liberty we extend to it out of courtesy. While there certainly ought to be a presumption of religious liberty for non-Christian religious traditions in America, the Founders were not writing a suicide pact when they wrote the First Amendment.”
Naturally, no fundamentalist is going to get upset about the exclusion of Islam, but when you start to exclude everyone but Christians, people get nervous.
Fischer: “Counterfeit religions, alternative religions to Christianity have no First Amendment right to the free exercise of religion.”
Fischer finally had gone far enough to provoke his employer to publicly distance itself from him:
RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOR ALL
An American Family Association Policy Statement
The American Family Association celebrates Religious Freedom for all people and for all beliefs as one of the foundational values that make the United States of America a great nation.
Historical Background
America’s Founders disagreed how broadly the First Amendment extended Freedom of Religion. Since James Madison, known as the Father of the Bill of Rights, insured that the Congressional debates over the Bill of Rights were conducted in secret, Americans must look to later sources to understand the positions taken by their Founders. Thomas Jefferson and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, whom Madison appointed to the Supreme Court and who later founded Harvard Law School, openly debated over the place of Christianity in American law. Jefferson advocated a broad view that that all religions, not merely variations of Christianity, were to be protected. In his autobiography Jefferson wrote:
[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom… was finally passed,… a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.’ The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.
Joseph Story stated a contradictory view in his Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States:
The real object of the [First] amendment was, not to countenance, much less to advance Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects, and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment, which should give to an hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government.”
Jefferson’s position has ultimately prevailed; under American law all religions enjoy freedom from government interference. However Joseph Story’s view continues to have proponents, including Bryan Fischer, one of American Family Radio’s talk show hosts. However, the American Family Association (“AFA”) officially sides with Jefferson on this question. AFA is confident that the truth of Christianity will prevail whenever it is allowed to freely compete in the marketplace of ideas.
The AFA sounds very reasonable, don’t they? But they leave out a few things. For one thing, as Warren Throckmorton has pointed out, Fischer quoted Joseph Story out of context, and the AFA, interestingly, doubles down on Fischer’s sin by repeating it as well. If you look at the same book Fischer was using (Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States,1833), says Throckmorton,
Story’s real argument is for a government which respected the individual conscience, saying that the “rights of conscience are, indeed, beyond the just reach of any human power.” (p. 727). Reading the relevant sections, it becomes clear that Fischer has pulled out a section out of the context of Story’s eloquent tribute to freedom of conscience that is the First Amendment.
Nor is the AFA being entirely truthful about Madison’s supposed secrecy. For one thing, it was Congress that wrote the Bill of Rights, including the First Amendment. Madison went before the House of Representatives on June 8, 1789, and urged upon them a Bill of Rights, including especially “rights of conscience” which, along with freedom of speech, ought to be placed “out of the power of the Legislature to infringe them.” What Madison specifically said he wanted was this phrase:
“The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed.”
He also wanted this Bill of Rights to apply not only to the federal government, but to the states. This is part of the public record; no mysteries here.
Madison did not keep the debates secret. In fact, as Gordon S. Wood writes, “The House decided at the outset to open its debates to the public.”[1] The proposal was put before a select committee which was composed of one representative from each state (Madison represented Virginia). After a week of deliberations, the committee came up with the following:
“No religion shall be established by law, nor shall the equal rights of conscience be infringed.”
This is not exactly what Madison proposed, and despite the AFA’s claim of “secrecy” we don’t have access to the kinds of records now kept. Even for the only public debate on the drafting of the First Amendment we have only incomplete records – as Steven Waldman writes, “The Annals of Congress, a semi-official record of the deliberations, provided a paraphrased version of the debate’s highlights.”[2] But even from this we can see how dishonest the AFA’s statement is.
There was a debate, opinions were expressed, and the language ironed out to what eventually came to be put into the First Amendment. Secrecy has nothing to do with any confusion over what the Founding Fathers intended. We know what Madison intended; we know what Jefferson intended; we know what Washington intended, and that was for everybody to have freedom of religion.
According to the paraphrased account,
“Mr. Madison said, he apprehended the meaning of the words to be, that Congress should not establish a religion, and enforce the legal observation of it by law nor compel men to worship God in any manner contrary to their conscience.”
Of course, then it all went to the Senate, which considered the House’s version of amendments from September 3rd through September 9th. We don’t know what was said but that’s hardly because of some effort toward secrecy. People just didn’t keep good records yet. Look at the muddle we have for the Constitutional Convention itself. The secretary, William Jackson, made an illegible mess of the convention notes, and not only that, he threw away all the loose scraps of paper given him by the delegates.
As Wood writes,
“Despite the opening of the House to the public, knowledge of Congress’s activities by modern standards remained limited. Politics in 1789 was still very traditional in character, small and intimate; and political leaders relied, as they had in the past, mostly on private conversations and personal correspondence among ‘particular gentlemen for their connections and information.”[3]
At any rate, the Senate finally produced its own version which Madison disliked and which the House rejected. This led to the formation of another committee of six men, four of whom were veterans of the Constitutional Convention. It was only now that the final wording of the First Amendment was produced. The House accepted the language on September 24 and the Senate on September 25, giving us the First Amendment.
As should be readily apparent, the AFA is more pretending to be reasonable than actually being reasonable. Whether through carelessness in proofing Fischer’s work or in an attempt to make him look less unreasonable, the AFA has distorted history.
No reasonable person can suggest that all religions (or lack of religion) have equal rights in the “marketplace” as the AFA puts it. The Constitution guarantees this, after all. And that’s all anyone is really asking for – a level playing field. But while trying to get to that level playing field, let’s at least be open and honest about the facts.
[1]Gordon S. Wood, Empire of Liberty: A History of the Early Republican, 1789-1815 (Oxford, 2009), 98.
[2]Steven Waldman, Founding Faither: How Our Founding Fathers Forged a Radical New Approach to Religious Liberty (Random House 2008), 146. The Annals of Congress weren’t compiled and published until 1834.
[3]Wood (2009), 99. There was no Congressional Record and no verbatim reporting.
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Sarah Jones
Aug. 18th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Where do they stand on pornography? Oh,yeah, right. In the same place they stand on “religious freedom”. That is to say, murky waters of hypocrisy. Sorry, but the hate they’ve spewed against even other Christians has been documented on this website, so I’m not buying this.
It would be nice to see them embrace the values of Jesus Christ, but I highly doubt a profitable business of this sort can do that. Sort of an oxymoron.
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 18th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
I could care less what the founding fathers thought, the constitution directly says what it says. It is not really open to interpretation as it is perfectly clear what it says. How anyone can put in the idea that Islam and others are not under that amendment just doesnt make sense
Finally, the AFA will say what ever they can in order to be accepted. Its like Bush saying he would not be a nation builder then turned out he was. I dont think there is anything they can say for people who know, but for people that dont they will be a deadly as a snake. I will wait for them to deny the 7 mountains before I get close to believing
Sarah Jones
Aug. 18th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Yes, “you shall know them by their fruits” not what they TELL you they are. Hello, Pharisees.
Jim H.
Aug. 18th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
“He doesn’t speak for us, but he is on our payroll. Ignore the man behind the curtain.”
My issue with politicos who invoke the Constitution or Founders to justify their misdeeds today is that they are ignoring “what is”. When the Constitution was written, non-whites and women were chattel. Sure, we’ve come a long way since 1789 because we’ve been willing to evolve as a country. We shouldn’t devolve to suit the political agenda of extremists who believe that we should roll back the progress we’ve made.
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 18th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
They are little different than the witch burners
DannyEastVillage
Aug. 18th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
You can believe this: if they could they would.
Sally
Aug. 19th, 2011 at 8:03 am
Horrors! You’re saying that the Constitution is a living document that changes with the times! Don’t tell the GOP…they are sure that they have the direct line to the Founders, and that only THEY can interpret what they wanted this country to become. The current message is, of course, Christian, war-mongering, child-hating, women as chattel, and white supremacy. No other interpretations will be accepted. Thank you for playing.
maxine
Aug. 19th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Have you noticed them trying to make the Constitution the new “bible?” They want to deify the founding fathers, then claim they have revealed wisdom directly from these little tin gawds.
With them as the sole interpreter and emissary of gawd.
A malicious and anti-citizen SCOTUS is leading the way, with the “Originalist” BS a thin cover for deliberate undermining of civil rights.
They haven’t assimilated that it’s impossible to gatekeep information anymore. Cell phones may save our Republic, by limiting their ability to lie unchallenged.
It’s like early Popes throwing out the bits of bible they didn’t like. Or King James approving how monks interpreted Latin, Greek, etc. (Most famously changing the word ‘poisoner’ to ‘witch.’)
Everyone suffers for it, but them.
Reynardine
Aug. 18th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
I still remember Robert Bork’s most interesting article on what kind of speech the First Amendment protected. It was:
a. Does the First Amendment protect all speech? Of course not: it was understood not to protect obscenity, libel, or sedition.
b. What speech does it protect, then? Clearly, only political speech.
c. What is political speech? That which expresses the will of the majority. So you are free to agree, that’s it!
I read that in Constitutional Law, some years before Judge Bork was nominated to the Supreme Court, and think our professor (aka Bloodlust) was surprised I was the only one who noticed the First Amendment’s Free Speech Clause had just been disappeared. The point is, though, that if the Free Speech clause can be Borked, so can the Establishment Clause, and I’m betting the guys who’d do it are already on the Supreme Court.
mikeyhatesit
Aug. 19th, 2011 at 1:44 am
This guy is a shit-heel. I used to be a zookeeper, so I’m very familiar with crap. I can’t stand not only for the reasons above, but for all the things Right Wing Watch has compiled against him. Especially this little turd of wisdom: www.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPos... (he advocates the death of the Orca that killed his trainer, based on Leviticus)
Bryan Fischer is a big part of why I say that the Right Wing doesn’t care about animals. I’m a survivor of an animal attack; it’s why I’m no longer a zookeeper. However, I don’t blame the animal for doing what came naturally. I blame my supervisors at the time, who deliberately withheld information that it had previously attacked people. I was eventually fired, and the elephant now has her own film premiering around the country. Unlike the ignorant posters on various forums who say, as Mr. Fischer does, that keepers deserve their injuries and deaths- I never wanted anything to happen to her. No punishments. No revenge.
But Fischer agitates for the stoning of dangerous animals, instead of rehabilitation or revising their handling. His ignorance of not only biology/ animal behavior, but the facts of what happens behind the scenes in the animal care industry, is typical for those who think they have divine authority. He doesn’t understand that zookeepers and their brethren risk their lives daily, and for the same low pay that teachers get. They are often the only spokespeople for animals and the environment that many people ever meet in their whole lives. I made it a point to tell visitors about biodiversity and the impact humans have on other species. But to do that, I have to make a connection between them and the animals I took care of, which meant everything from watching them being born to having to make decisions about quality of life. Telling patrons the life stories of my animals helped them (I hope) relate to the animals living in the wild.
Unfortunately, money affects habitat. Real estate, non-renewable resources, precious metals & minerals, aphrodesiacs: all chip away at the environment. Oil and diamonds for the rich lead to poverty and poaching for the poor; which in turn leads to extinction of keystone species. When people can’t feed themselves, why should they care about the lives of plants and animals around them? This wholesale destruction of the planet’s resources is a prominent Dominionist theme, whereby control of nature is just par for the course. Fischer would agree with the edict in the Bible, to have sway over all the beasts, and in fact enthusiastically calls for retribution in the death of a human. Not unlike murdering an abortion provider.
If you check out my avi on twitter (@mikeyhatesit), you can see my stance toward the GOP’s attitude towards people and the environment. I got hit with a double whammy of symbolism: kicked by an elephant. Literally, while engaged in the career that I miss tremendously; and metaphorically, by people whose mission is to do a headstand on anyone who does not match their views on race, money, or religion.
I know this was (slightly) off topic, and apologize, but I just wanted to illustrate further how extreme Bryan Fischer’s views are. They even affect a professional population that is only counted by the thousands, yet it has the potential to negatively impact every life on the planet. I don’t think I’m that far off the mark saying this to demonstrate how far-reaching Seven Mountains Dominionism actually is. Denying Constitutional rights to non-christians is just another tool, alongside financial deregulation or military crusades, to re-create an American government in the image the theocrats want.
A Walkaway
Aug. 19th, 2011 at 9:43 am
You bring up an important point; one that causes great concern among environmental anthropologists, but isn’t thought about by much of the populace.
People are part of the environment (and part of nature) and poverty is one of the main reasons for environmental destruction, along with corporate greed). So many “Green” moves actually destroy the lives of the people in the affected area and ignore the reality on the ground. At the same time, EVERY Republican stance direly affects the environment and the creatures in it. Neoliberalism is just as bad… refer the Great Sisal Scheme in South America for an example of how stupid they can be.
In this area, we get pummeled by extreme views from both ends… the Religious Right, who advocate stoning animals that harm people, and the Animal Rights crowd, who advocate eliminating zoos and circuses. I’ve heard Religious Right people claim that any law that protects animals (except theirs, of course) should be removed from the books – even laws against abusing or torturing animals. The Animal Rights crowd has actually advocated outlawing having pets, and I regularly hear people say that dogs should never be on a chain from those nutcases (we’ve had too many members of our family – our kitties, killed in our own yard by “good” Pit Bulls to ever agree with that).
The thing is, when you take people out of the environmental equation, you’re going to make mistakes. One side takes them out by elevating humans so far other species that they become things, the other by so vilifying people that they almost consider humans to be ‘the enemy’.
mikeyhatesit
Aug. 19th, 2011 at 3:23 am
(whoops: meant to say Exodus where I wrote Leviticus)
AND I never thought I’d agree with the AFA. Someone get me a blanket- I’m getting a little chilly…
Reynardine
Aug. 19th, 2011 at 6:58 am
Mikeyhatesit, I’d have given a great deal to do what you did, for even a little while. People like you rank at the top of the human race. And now, as daylight grows, I must go: my masters are calling me.
Sally
Aug. 19th, 2011 at 8:09 am
Mikey, you are a hero. My local fair has an ‘elephant experience’ and I was appalled to see it. The couple owns two female elephants, who may or may not be treated well. They give rides and do a little act, but after researching elephants in captivity, I can’t believe they are happy. Your post was enlightening. Thank you.
Reynardine
Aug. 19th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Follow his link: he has a real interesting site.
Bill
Aug. 19th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Does this religious freedom thingy apply to those of us who worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Makarios
Aug. 19th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
I find it really intresting that so many hatemongering organizations use the words “parents,” “family,” or “children” in their names. Pre-emptive use of language, don’t you think? As in, “If you are a real American family, this is what you’ll stand for.”
Wankers.
Brown cow
Aug. 19th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Perhaps I’m just getting cynical in my old age, but AFA must not disagree too much with Fischer since he still is one of their representatives. In order for me to believe they think differently, he needs to be fired.