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Ann Romney Thinks a Mormon Mission is the Same as Serving in the Military
Now we know why Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney wouldn’t go on the “high risk” The View today. The Mitt Romney dubbed “sharp-tongued” Whoopi Goldberg asked a question that was super hard as part of the show’s “Red, White and View” series. Goldberg asked the wife of the man who keeps suggesting that we need to go to another war and he wouldn’t bring the troops home from Afghanistan if the reason Mitt Romney never served in the military was due to their religion.
Whoopi Goldberg: What I read about your husband, what I read, and maybe you can correct this, is that the reason that he didn’t serve in Vietnam was because it was against the religion.
Ann Romney: He was serving his mission. (Explaining that none of her sons have served in the military) My five sons have also served (on) missions. We find different ways of serving… I sent them away boys and they came back men.
Whoopi Goldberg: So when you’re facing these mothers whose children have not come back, how will you explain to them that your sons haven’t gone?
Ann Romney: I think it’s the hardest thing that a president will probably do.
Ann Romney continued by claiming that Mitt “went to every funeral” when he was governor, which seems to be stretching the odds, especially since he was out of the state for 400 plus days in the last two years of his only term, but accuracy is not a Romney trait. This is the man who forgot to mention the troops in his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention, and who later said you don’t go through a laundry list when giving a speech, you talk about the things that are important.
So there you have it from Mrs. Romney’s mouth — Mitt Romney’s four draft deferements should not be construed as serving in the military being against the Mormon religion. Fox News is outraged, claiming that Whoopi attacked Romney’s religion. However, Romney’s deferements were qualified as “minister of religion or divinity student”, thus bringing his religion into his deferements. Mormon deferements were also a source of scrutiny as the Vietnam War escalated.
As with all things Mitt, this story has taken more twists and turns than any regular dodging of the draft would. Mitt Romney once claimed to the Boston Globe, “It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam, but nor did I take any actions to remove myself from the pool of young men who were eligible for the draft.” This was not true. Governor Romney had asked for and received four deferements, after he protested in favor of the war as a college organizer.
At another time*, Romney denied that he sought to avoid the draft and claimed that he had wanted to serve, saying, “I was supportive of my country. I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam.”
In 2007, Mitt Romney said that his sons are not fighting for the country because “one of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected.”
Mitt Romney spent the Vietnam War driving about the French countryside and his sons won’t be serving in the wars he wants to start/continue because they are serving him, which is the same thing as serving our country according to Mitt Romney. Ann Romney thinks that sending her sons off to serve “their mission” is the same thing as sending your sons and daughters off to Iraq or Afghanistan. She sent them away as boys and they came back as men.
The Romneys are war mongers with other people’s children while claiming that their own have served by serving their “mission” and helping Mitt Romney get elected. Military service is not a necessity for a CIC, but being a four time draft-dodger and refusing to send your own children to war is a far distance from simply not having served.
Mitt Romney was overheard dissing the ladies of The View in the secret tape recording, saying, “The View” is “high-risk because, of the five women on it, only one is conservative, and four are sharp-tongued and not conservative.” Ann Romney claimed today that what he had really said was “”He said ‘sharp and young’”. So, Mrs. Romney is suggesting that her husband said he would not go on The View because The View is “high-risk because, of the five women on it, only one is conservative, and four are sharp and young and not conservative.”
Ah, yes, that makes sense. It’s all better now.
In case you were wondering if this was still hard, yes, it is. Ann Romney lamented how hard all of this is for her and her kids, “This was a very hard thing for me to decide to go forward again…for the family to have to go through this. The children have a hard time with it. I have a hard time with it.” It is so hard for them, but you wouldn’t understand. Your husband/wife/kids are off in Afghanistan. What do you know about hard?
Update: Mitt Romney did not attend “every funeral”, “Gov. Mitt Romney, who has pledged to return home for important occasions and prided himself on attending the funerals of Massachusetts servicemen killed overseas, skipped the funeral of an Malden Marine on Friday to campaign in South Carolina and Michigan.” (Boston Globe, 10/13/2006)
Update II: Mormons may and do serve in the military. Whoopi confused the reason for Romney’s deferements with a church doctrine.
*Additional Sources: The Real Romney, by Michael Kranish & Scott Helman
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SickupandFed
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
OK, now I know she’s delusional.
Moonwalker58
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Romney has the guts to stand in front of his rich aristocrats & claim 47% of Americans don’t take responsibility 4 themselves, yet never found his “boots on the ground” except 4 missionary work in France. Apparently, HE does believes in some “entitlements”, especially if U are rich & use your wealth/power to avoid the draft. Ann Romney, if she really believes her defense of her husband & son’s failure to SERVE our country, when they could freely & willingly have done so, just as so many countless Americans have done so; if she really believes what she is saying, she is completely delusional. NO mother wants to see their children go off to war, and to compare missionary work to fighting in a war is just pathetic on her part. I am just AMAZED at the audacity of this Romney family. Mitt Romney has done nothing but LIE to the American people since he surfaced & now his wife is caught in a lie about him attending every funeral. It’s like they think, ‘these stupid people, so below us, will believe anything we say’. I hope on 11/6/12 we don’t prove them right! Rewarding people who behave like the Romney family with the oval office would be immoral to say the least, & blatantly disrespectful to all those who DID fight, were wounded or died for our freedoms. Ann Romney’s answers made me sick! I have NEVER been so ashamed of a fellow American in my life! May GOD help us all if this is the NEW direction our country will go in!
Kwaayesnama
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
There is a vast difference between serving in a white shirt and tie with a name badge. And serving in military fatigues and wearing dog tags.
Deanna
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Those who did serve in the military do not seem to be bothered by Mitt trying to achieve peace and freedom through serving in a mission, so why should I? My father-in-law, who served in Vietnam, also supports Romney. They know Romney is the best candidate for president at this time. BTW,Mitt did not serve in a peaceful place, it was quite dangerous at that time in history. Here is a list of his military supporters.
www.mittromney.com/news/p...
MizFurball
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Oh, puh-leez! Dangerous? It was not a mission in Uganda or Sudan or any country with ongoing wars.
mjh
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
My father-in-law, who served in Vietnam, also supports Romney. They know Romney is the best candidate for president at this time.
Well, you’re right about one thing; Mittens is a pretty good “candidate” — that’s all he’s done for the past six years.
But simply because someone may be a good candidate, doesn’t necessarily make him a good president.
BTW,Mitt did not serve in a peaceful place, it was quite dangerous at that time in history.
Um, what was so dangerous about Paris in the 1960s?
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Deanna
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Um, yeah… www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfi...
And BTW, Ann never said serving a mission was the “same” as serving in the military. She said they (Mitt and her sons) found other ways to serve their country.
Deanna
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Just so you know, the person who wrote this article is feeding you distorted information. You should watch the video clips for yourself and you will be able to see through the falsehoods.
melissa
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
deanna I applaud you on your comments on here..but you are speaking to obama drones as am I. None have bothered to do the research about what ann actually said they read this artical and attacked with the most disgusting responses.I am part of a military family and very proud of that however I have never served I guess that makes me a bad person..not.
Mary
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Deanna –
I watch the View and I watched this episode. The author, Sarah Jones describes the summary of that particular question accurately. You may not like it – but that is how it pretty much went down.
The issue is you support Ann Romney’s behavior and that of her husband… so anything that doesn’t brush the behavior positively you will deny it’s occurence.
It’s called living in the bubble. And no, Obama did not serve either. Do the math dipship.
Deanna
Oct. 22nd, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Mary,
Okay, so you watched this episode of The View..Good for you, but it sounds to me like you’re going by memory. Try watching the video clip and dissecting it. If you try to understand it from Ann Romney’s perspective, you might be able to see it differently.
She has one son who feels he is giving back to his country in a significant way where he is now a doctor and taking care of veterans. They find “different” ways of serving. Notice how she did not say it was the “same” way of serving? She goes on to explain that her sons did not serve in the military. They served missions. She explains what she views as the benefits of missionary work in changing her boys into men by learning to serve others. She also gives kudos to people in the military for giving their service and likewise becoming better people from their service to others, but was not primarily speaking about the military. She was explaining the value of missionary work in changing her sons into better, more Christ-like people. She explains that through volunteering they are laying down their life for you. (giving up their own personal life, being selfless to help you)
She states that we should always be grateful for people who volunteer to help others. She does not discredit people in the military or equate missionary work to being in the military. She let’s us know that although her sons did not serve in the military, their work in helping others can still be appreciated.
After Whoppie clarifies the question, at the end of the segment, Ann states she doesn’t think any of us (those who haven’t experienced the death of a military child) can understand the sacrifice of the families (acknowledgement of a big difference right there).
Living in a bubble, I am not. I am just sweet enough to try to see thing from another person’s perspective. You should try it sometime. The truth is very liberating.
As for labeling me as a “dipship”,whatever that is, don’t label people you don’t know…
melissa
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
did I miss the memo where Obama has served in the military? At least Romney has served someone other than himself….and really shame on you whoopie I really did like u before this!Im hoping you gave her an apology for your miss information!AND PLEASE stop with the spoiled brat crap..News flash Obama is not poor or Middle Class I know shocking right…Soon enough his daughters are going to be your so called “spoiled brats” but lucky for them theire dad wont be president!
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Who did Romney serve?
Remember the community organizer? Thats serving the people. Obama worked in the poor sections of town, Romney took his cash and went to france.
You are full of it
melissa
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Community activist?yes i know obama was a community activist…i think you would have to have a full understanding of what that is if ur going to use that as your argument for community service outside of politics.and yes missonaries do more than just serve the lds church..now with that said i though this post was about what ann romney didnt say on a talk show?if you do ur research u would know the facts.Obama didnt serve in the .military.period.no butts or excuses plain and simple
btw thanks for the personal attack didnt expect a response without one but please save those for the people u know
Reynardine
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
So you’re also a fucking illiterate.
melissa
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 12:16 am
Seriously the F-bomb?And Im illiterate??HAHA as I posted earlier you dont know me so I get that YOU didnt get the sarcasim in the word “didnt”.I guess when you have nothing else to say just so cuss and TRY to be little others.
Reynardine
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 9:03 am
I am not belittling you, Melissa. I am describing you. Lerne too rede an spel gud.
dave mcfarland
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 7:43 am
I dare say Romney has spent ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE (10 times, 100 times) more of his own time and his own money helping people in a unpaid, real, meaningful and effective ways than Obama ever dreamed of in his up at 10, go play golf, pick-someone-else’s-pocket-to-do-my-service world.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am
And you would be lying. His religion demands he gives that money.
dave mcfarland
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 10:23 am
In 2011, Romney gave 16% of his income to charity, 10% to the LDS, church, 6% to non Mormon charities. And no, the church does not demand it. We consider it a privilege to help the poor and we could walk out of the church at any time.
Marxism, in contrast, takes money by force and distributes in often in corrupt manners to buy votes and power.
If you add up the money Romney gave in just amount, he gave 43 TIMES what Obama, Pelosi, Biden and Reid gave in total over the last 10 years. He gives his own money and time, not steals from someone else to do it.
I dare you to find anyone who has worked with Romney or his wife who would claim he is fake, motivated by power, or insincere.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 10:26 am
There is no marxism.
He gives for tax write offs period.
I bet you could say he gave far more than a whole host of republicans too. However how much he has given to charity is washed out by the fact he cant stop lying
melissa
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 10:48 am
Dave
Kudos on the info!Did that other post really just say that all the chairty work the Romneys have done outside of politics and religion means nothing?It scares me that these people actually live in are society..Tell that to the famalies they have helped.
mjh
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 7:06 pm
did I miss the memo where Obama has served in the military?
As the President is also the Commander in Chief, I’d say yes, you did.
At least Romney has served someone other than himself…
Sure he has — his investors/shareholders at Bain Capital, various foreign governments, offshore banking accounts, his fellow one per centers . . .
AND PLEASE stop with the spoiled brat crap..News flash Obama is not poor or Middle Class I know shocking right…
No, not really — I’ve known that ever since he did what Mittens refused to do: released his tax returns . . .
Soon enough his daughters are going to be your so called “spoiled brats” but lucky for them theire dad wont be president!
Um, by the time President Obama leaves office — in Jan. 2017 — his daughters will be nineteen and sixteen, a bit past the “brat” stage.
Anyway, neither of them exhibit any “brat” behavior now; they’re both smart and well-behaved — why do you assume they’re going to be “brats?”
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Joan baker
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Romney dodged the draft, Obama didn’t.
richard
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Maybe she should go serve in the Military for four years and see combat and then answer that question. she is just a lame as her husband
melissa
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Do u even think before write ur hate? If Ann needs to serve than please take michelle obama with her since u have to serve in the military to be sympathtic to the families that have served oh and her daughters to… So they dont become spoiled brats.
Reynardine
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
And you’re still one. I reckon you can’t get any better work than doing this, at 25 cents a post.
melissa
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
reynardine come on really are you that mad at someone you do not know? See you dont know me so I guess you didnt get the sarcasim in the word “didnt” or maybe the whole comment just threw you because it wasnt what you wanted to hear?And again please save your disgusting comments for someone you know!! and as for getting paid really I wish
Reynardine
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 9:14 am
Melissa, I apologize. Clearly, you are doing this for fifteen cents a post. The kind of people who employ you don’t believe in charity.
melissa
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 10:35 am
Ok Reynardine since you clearly dont understand what you read let me see if I can type it s-l-o-w-e-r for you!Haha 1) I do not get paid to post! Do you understand that? Since you know so much about that why dont you make yourself usefull and pass out some info for those that would be interested? But for me I have a job. 2)Again I understand your opinon is not the same as mine but I do not feel the need to use such disgusting words when speakig to another.3)Your last line however did impress me!I mean I didnt even understand what you were saying it took me a minute,but I guess in your words you have to be stupid to be able to read and write that way!So congratulations you proved my point!Peace
RMuse
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
This woman makes me sick. Proselytizing for a cult is not serving and cannot be compared to war. If all this is so hard for Willard’s family, what does it say about him that he puts them through it.
Reynardine
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Well, God love Ann’s men. When called on to serve their country, they assume missionary position.
americanmom
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
what a spoiled out of touch women. How can she even dare to equate going off on a religious mission to going to war where people are shooting at you….
dave mcfarland
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 10:27 am
She was NOT equating the two, and at the last said we cannot imagine the sacrifice of a parent or loved one who lost a patriot to war.
Watcht the video again (if you watched it at all) especially the last part.
Elle B
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
It makes me furious for the Romney’s to equate church missions with military service. Ann did mention that one of her sons “serves” because he is a doctor and has patients who are veterans.
The thing that alarmed me most in the interview was that Ann said that she and Mitt were separated for 3 1/2 years while he was in college and on his mission. She said she was dating others and having fun and “sort of forgetting about him too much.” She said it really hurt him a lot and she said she thinks it actually did put him in the hospital when he was in France. This is the second time Ann has mentioned Mitt’s mental health.
Who would be a more dangerous President, Romney or Ryan?
Jana G.
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
What’s even more alarming is that the only time Mitt was ever in the hospital was when (I’m assuming he was the driver-it was implied) he got into a car crash in which another man’s wife died as a result of it.
Is she joking about her death?
Sarahthequitter
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Hey, riding those bikes can be very dangerous. Have you seen the traffic lately?
Colleen
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Lying is an ingrained family trait of theirs. It must be hell over there in France battling for your religion. Trying to get people to join your cult. Just like being shot at in Viet Nam. Does she have a screw loose?
A Walkaway
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am
“Lying for the LOOOOORRRRRD” is a MORMON trait, just as it’s also quite common in dominionist churches (it’s more of an unofficial doctrine of theirs, unlike the Mormon “lying for the Lord”).
It’s more than a family trait.
Rita
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
I hope that Barbara challenged her on that. Since when do Morman missionaries get shot at,lose their arms, legs and lives? When does a Morman missionary experience PTSD and other mental disorders associated with war that also has the potential of effecting the lives of their family? When do Morman missionaries leave their loved one’s behind to fight to make the 1 percent more money? It is statements like these that make me realize how aloft and self-centered she is. She not only wears magical underware, but she experiences magical thinking as well. Ann Romney, you are an insult to those who serve.
Sammy
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 1:50 am
Walters would never call Ann out on this or anything else. Not does she call other lying repugs out for lying. She would not get invited to those fancy cocktail parties if she did not smile and open her mouth for people like Mitt.
sachet
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 7:54 am
Exactly. You said what I was thinking.
Diane Meeds
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
You know, so many missionaries have had this happen to them, but they don’t have others there to “watch their back”, and fight back. It’s just sick how many people are uninformed (not “stupid”) in this area. Please, keep these derogatory comments where they belong, in your own heads!
Noneofyourbusiness
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
I’ll tell you when…after they served their two year mormon missions..they then complete their military obligations. If you know anything about mormons, you would know that there are thousands who are currently serving active duty and many more that have served. In my mission roughly 30 of the 100 missionaries had served in the military and were going to return to duty upon completion of their religious mission. Just because the Romney’s didnt serve in the Military doesn’t mean you should disparage all Mormons.
MsAdventure
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
they are entitled to believe whatever they want to believe, however we the people are also entitled to believe whatever we want to believe about them..
Michael Hattem
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
No one has claimed she doesn’t have the right to believe these things. They are merely exercising their own rights to free speech which protects their ability to criticize those beliefs publicly. There is such a taboo against criticizing anything relating to religion. Case in point, Goldberg asked if it was Mitt’s religion that precluded him from serving. That’s a fair question and not asked in a combative way, but Fox News claims she “attacked his religion.” Give me a break!!
Sammy
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 1:53 am
I wish that Woopie had asked Ann to explain the White Horse Prophecy and why it is ok for Mitt to lie if it is in the service for his religion.
norcal girl
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Wish my dear mother who sent 5 sons off to war could speak to this person who calls herself American–
Derek
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
The Romneys are really a wierd, out of touch group of people. I served in this countries military and would be ashamed if Romney ever became our leader. Wacky wimps on bike promoting religion are nothing similar to bold patriotic warriors willing to give his or her life for their country.
dave mcfarland
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 7:56 am
Then would you be proud if Obama was re-elected? It is very clear that this Marxist parasite has NEVER served, hates the military and wants to gut our defense. He reduced nukes from 5000 to 1500 and directed a pentagon study to take them to 0. Even Panetta is warning against the sequestration this administration backs.
Obama is a dangerous threat to the military, and if elected, will invite war through weakness and cause the death of many servicemen.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
LOL
I would ask you to show us where the Marxism is, but I know you would have to run to Hannity first to find out
dave mcfarland
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 10:45 am
Marxism is the forced redistribution of wealth. “To each according to his need, from each according to his ability” – Karl Marx
Obama was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis (card carrying, FBI tracked communist)and mentioned 22 times in “Dreams of My Father” – Read “the Communist” by Paul Kendor for references. Obama’s grandfather was a Marxist. He sought out Palestinian radical Edward Said. Bill Ayers is a radical communist revolutionary who was sent to prison for bombing. There are many real, verifiable, undisputed examples. Obama is extremely dangerous. This is not polically correct, but check it out and it is true.
But he’s certainly not as bad as Romney, who dared to refer to treating women equally during his tehure as Governor as ‘binders of women’. Romney is truly a threat to this nation. Forget the fact that he has saved businesses and organizations as a turn around artist over and over and over again.
Watch 2016: Obama’s America and google Obama Marxist. I dare you!!!!!
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 11:26 am
Bullshit. Obama is not a Marxist and there is no marxism in America.
The forced redistribution of wealth is occurring right now and its the flow of money to the upper 1% who’s wealth has increased far more than the middle class. Who perpetrated that trend? Reagan.
Thomas Johnson
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Ask annie “you people” rmoney how many mormon missionaries have died in iraq and afghanistan over the last decade. Ask her how many mormon missionaries will die in the iran war they want so bad to start. Yeah, that’s what I thought. Go back to looking after williard’s mental health annie – maybe you are better at that.
dave mcfarland
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 10:57 am
Actually many of the missionaries I know also served in the military. During the vietnam war, the church did not stop missionary service as they did in other wars, but did ensure that the same proportion of mormon boys served as the rest of the nation.
During WWII, a larger proportion of LDS men died due to a draft office bias towards Mormons at the time. A number of the quorum of the twelve, including the current president of the church, served in WWII.
While the church was moving across the plains, fleeing the mobs that drove them across the nation, they were asked to sign up to fight in the Mexican war. They did, and the men marched the longest march in history known as the Mormon Battalion. That battalion (now in Southern utah) has continued to serve in other wars including the Korean war and Vietnam.
Yes, Ann Romney should have made clear that a mission does not compare to military service, but look at the end and she make it clear her respect and honor. Plus Romney DID attend all funerals while governor.
mjh
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Plus Romney DID attend all funerals while governor.
I find that hard to believe, since Romney spent 212 days out of his last year as governor out of Massachusetts . . .
www.boston.com/news/local...
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Tom
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 7:42 pm
From the article:
Update: Mitt Romney did not attend “every funeral”, “Gov. Mitt Romney, who has pledged to return home for important occasions and prided himself on attending the funerals of Massachusetts servicemen killed overseas, skipped the funeral of an Malden Marine on Friday to campaign in South Carolina and Michigan.” (Boston Globe, 10/13/2006)
that’s just ONE example. hard to make all of the funerals when you’re gone for two years.
mjh
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
This is oddly reminiscent of the time Rick Santorum claimed that his service in government was equivalent to military service in Iraq . . .
dailycaller.com/2012/01/0...
Seems rightwingnuts will find ANY alternative to military service they can think of.
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KarenC
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Yeah, they’re willing to send everybody else over their, but don’t have the guts to serve themselves. They deserve the name CHICKENhawk. Yellow belly also comes to mind. Hypocrite is another description.
Diane Meeds
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Anything as bad as Gore claiming he invented the internet?
mjh
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Anything as bad as Gore claiming he invented the internet?
1. Gore never claimed any such thing
2. Gore actually served in Vietnam
3. Your statement is a FAIL
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Iron Mike
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
He’s a shit bag, any veteran who votes for this piece of garbage should leave the military. He’s a chicken hawk and represents the worst this country has to offer. Sending us off to war while he and his able sons count their money and send jobs to China.
If this scumbag gets elected we have no one but ourselves to blame.
Eloise
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
I am 75 yrs old Mike And these Romneys scare the heck out of me , If by some crazy cheating lying voting, He should get elected , God help us all, I am very much a part of the 47% and proud of it, I have voted and contributed for Barack and Biden As well as my husband Gary, And will be up the night of Nov. 6th, I wanted to say Thanks for the things you have said, I am so sick of even looking at the smirk on Romneys face and his son’s Prayers for us all , Love people like you
Barry Roope
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
The more I hear from Ann Romney, the more I really can’t stand her, she is a horrible person, and obviously a blatant liar, to say mitt called the women on the view, sharp and young, when he clearly said sharp tongued, she thinks everyone must be stupid, what is wrong with this women, to even compare, her son’s mission to convert people to the Mormon faith to other mother’s sons, being shot at, blown up by roadside bombs, and attacked and killed by the people they are training, borders on delusional, or she is just a rotten ass liar. Ann and Mitt truly were made for each other, because both are heartless, liars who will exploit any and all misfortunes to gain power, fame and fortune. Mitt and Ann Romney truly make me sick, to have been blessed so wonderfully by God, yet they lie and cheat to gain even further fortune is truly sickening. Every American should be able to see them for the phonies and liars they are.
Eloise
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Thank You,Thank You Berry, You said, it all, These people all lie and scare me, So many people are so blind sighted , I will never undertand, The 47% of us will all go under if this guy gets into office, We cannot let this happen, My Gary and I have voted and contributed , We are eldrly and this is the best we can do, Mitt tells us what he thinks we want to hear just to get elected, But the past things he has said, are inbedded in our minds, The minute he should get into office all hell will break loose, He will bury us, Thank you for everything you said, We appeciate you , And proud of our people fighting for our country , God Bless You and God Bless America
Disillusioned
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
No one has died fighting for this country since WWII with the exception of the first few months in Afghanistan. They have been sacrificed fighting for their politicians in the wars of choice.
Joe Tanzarello
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Oh yeah Ann, lots of grieving women back in the US in the 60s as their Mormon husbands, sons and brothers got killed off by all that French food and drink. Stupid woman.
Anne
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
No wonder she’s married to Willard. They are both clueless, out-of-touch liars who lack the ability to relate to everyday Americans. That’s what makes me wonder why anyone not wealthy would vote for Willard for any other purpose than an unreasoning hatred for President Obama. It says a lot about those Romney voters who call themselves Christians but have no problem voting for a proven liar who also has no regard for his fellow Americans, judging from the way he has thrown thousands of them under the bus while at Bain. There’s something horribly wrong when someone can blithely compare being a religious missionary with actually being in the line of enemy fire, risking life and limb. The thought of these two in the White House with all their combined arrogance and ignorance turns my stomach.
Mrs Gunka
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
That woman is despicable! God save this country if those two end up in the White House. The leaders of our Armed Forces need to speak up about this. Going on a mission for their cult church does not equal to serving in the military. Time for the draft and no deferments for religious beliefs! And cut off the tax exemptions for ALL religious organizations! Mit and Ann are both mentally ill!
former mormon
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
And stop whining about how “hard” it is on your children, Ann. For Christ’s sake they are all over 21. In fact they are all over 30!
It’s no wonder your none of your sons can handle manhood – they can’t even handle adulthood. Much like your husband.
labman57
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Sorry, Ann. Try again. One is an act of patriotism, whereas the other is an act of proselytism.
Sally
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Didn’t Mitt say they were going to use Ann sparingly do we didn’t get sick of her?
Too late.
Deanne
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Sparingly sure hasn’t worked for them.
Ann in an earlier interview said ‘she was concerned with Mitt’s mental well being’.
On the View today, son Josh and Ann discussed that when Mitt was becoming ‘unhinged’, they sent Ann to calm him.
There is also her Good Housekeeping interview that she admitted ‘that Mitt has a major problem with keeping his temper’. We’ve seen that on display in the primaries and the debate this week. When he’s challenged or in the Libya matter — just look at the eyes when he turns back to President Obama to question him about the ‘act of terror’. The eyes are bloodshot, the eyebrows raise in rage.
charlie
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I was sick of her ever since she was photographed in the 9000.00 Bird Blouse.
BrownSugarC
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I want to go and see the interview then I will get mad. I am a Veteran and was a personnel officer. Individuals are allowed to request alternative service. The key word is alternative. It cannon possibly compare to being on active duty, particuarly serving in a combat zone. I personnally do not they should be a blanket request because of your church affilation. I went to a Quaker College. I believe that you should have to state why you oppose serving in the miltary. I will add that I cannot understand how a family with five children has not one serving or having served in the military. How can you have a family where no one generationally has served and you want to be commander in chief? 14 members of my family have joined in military service I don’t get it. Can’t wait to watch the interview. remember those who have fallen in service to the USA. Pray for my 78 year old aunt, who grieves daily for her brother lost in Korea in 1953. She has no idea what ever happened to him.
Deanne
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Ann also said on The View that one of the sons is a doctor and considers it as serving because he ‘treats Vets’.
Diane Meeds
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
So, we should ship all our doctors overseas…or should have sent them before they became doctors? You guys are so unrealistic…biased…(trying to think of another word besides stupid or idiot or…). Can’t believe so many people don’t use their brains.
Also, maybe Ann is talking about a different type of “serving” where you are using “serving”. Can’t give her the benefit of a doubt.
TruthSerum
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
It must be nice to live in a bubble and only worry about yourself !
So we must also drink the kool aid if we are true patriotic Americans ?
Corporations are people my friend ?
Missions are exactly like War ?
God help us all !
Wilbrt
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Shows how out of touch the Romneys are.
Nefer
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Now that I think of it, I wonder how the decision is made as to where the young missionaries are assigned? Was Mitt partnered with a fellow missionary who, say, had blue collar parents? Or would that young person be assigned to a more dangerous part of the world?
If the missionary assignments are completely coincidental, well then, my apologies for wondering if wealth and position might influence the assignment.
Belinda Short
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I actually think if they don’t have the money to travel abroad, they stay home, they aren’t sent to more ‘dangerous’ places. The Romney’s probably chose France for their sons.
John
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Nefer:
Your apology is accepted. No preference is given to anyone on assignment to missionary areas — no exceptions. Missionaries also have no choice in the matter. When the call is received, they simply go where they are assigned.
Woody McBreairty
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Careful Whoopi, or Tagg Romney will take a swing at you. He may not be good at fighting in the military, but he seems to be good at punching people out. What a petty little coward
Linda
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
I don’t know if this has been mentioned but how would Mitt Romney and/or the Morman Church deal with the responsibility of him being the Commander in Chief of Military Operations if he were to be elected president, God forbid. I assume they receive a deferment because their religion has an ethical problem with the military and fighting in a war. I don’t know a lot about their religion, so I’m just wondering. I should learn more, I know.
Deanne
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Whoope first phrased the question to Ann asking if Mitt could not join the military because of the Mormon religion. Ann responded that it was not because of religion. Therefore, the door opened for Whoopi to ask why and Ann gave the hockus pockus bu||shit that he went on missions and her equating it as equal to serving.
Sammy
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 2:11 am
At a press event in California in June before the GOP primary Mitt Romney said: “I was too important to go to Vietnam” p.ost.im/p/eWpgvV via @freewoodpost
Mitt received four draft deferments and a 4-D deferment status as “a minister of religion”.
My understanding is that this status was a special arrangement for Mormons only, not available to people of other religions.
A Walkaway
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 11:39 am
The Mormons have no qualms about using violence for their religion. There are a few atrocities connected to them, and they in essence had their own army/militia for many years. It’s all part of history – some of which they’d rather not people know about.
In fact, from what I’ve read, there is a strong suggestion that just like the dominionists and their present-day whining about “persecution of Christians”, the early Mormons were forcing their religion on others – I remember family stories from my childhood about Mormons kidnapping and “marrying” young women from the towns they passed through (in Missouri). They also often responded to kindness with dishonesty and attempts to convert the person who tried to help them. (That fits the pattern I experienced as a young non-Mormon boy living in Utah.)
They brought retaliation and hostility on themselves, just as sometimes happens to dominionists today.
Smith’s death was an act of justice. The accusations made against him have been proved to be true. I don’t know about the actual accusation (ordered destruction of a newspaper critical of AND telling the truth about him), but the rest… truth and he was as much a threat to freedom then as Romney is today. That is why we MUST win the election… we must get everyone not under dominionist or Mormon thumbs out and voting.
Tommys_girl
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Poor Queen Ann of Mittendorf! If this campaign is so hard on all of them, what the heck are they gonna do if this sorry excuse for a “caring” man is elected?
carrie
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
She need help she and her husband have a mental problem someone please take them and lock em up,mitt want to start a war now to get our sons killed while his stay home,if you elect him and lying ryn you will be killing our sons and daughters. Lets stop his madness,no white house for you m.romney you are noT WELL U ARE SICK!! MAN
Robyn
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
So she “sent them away boys and they came back men.” This is the kind of things men used to say after they took their 15 year old sons to a prostitute to “break them in”….is she implying they slept their way through their “mission”…or was that their mission?
Geoff
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
… Just shows us he’s unfit to be president and she’s unfit to be first lady.
Kent Madsen
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
I disagree that serving a mission is like serving your country. I am a disabled Vietnam era Veteran, raised LDS. While I strongly believe that honoring one’s faith serving a mission, I also strongly believe that serving one’s country is just as important. That said, in this case, the responsibility would require serving both or at the very least one of their sons to serve their country.
BerkshireMom
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
I believe the operative words here are “came back”, Mrs. Romney. That’s where the difference lies.
roach
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
For the record, Ann is not “the spokesperson” of Mormonism so do not take what she says and judge all mormon families and men/women. I know MANY MANY mormon military folks…many of them served “missions” and served their country as well. It was a stupid response yes, but her way of justifying why HER sons did not serve. Mormons as a whole including the current sitting president served in the military.
GoGirl
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
I don’t see where anyone said she was the spokewoman for Mormons. Quote?
Also, the President is not a Mormon or a Muslim, he is a Christian. Just FYI.
No one here said anything about Mormons not serving, they said Ann Romney used her husband’s mormon mission to avoid the draft. If you have an issue with that, take it up with Ann. She’s the one who brought up religion.
John
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Just and FYI for your FYI. The “president” referred to here is the president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints — Mormons. His name is Thomal S. Monson and he is a veteran of WWII.
Stephanie P
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Ann SHAME on you. How dare you even try to compare
Missionaries to veterans and soldiers. How many missionaries
Are coming home in a box with a flag draped on it? How many times
Have you sat at home waiting for your husband, your children’s father to come home
From a war zone praying that you will never have to tell you children
That their father made the ultimate sacrifice for his country????
Oh wait that would be NEVER since your husband got never fought for this country.
So how DARE you belittle the sacrifices made by our soldiers, our veterans and their families. Your ignorance shows how out of touch you truly are.
Ann
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
The question that all Americans’s should be asking themselves is…In this volatile world, Should the Commander in Chief make the decision to send young men to war when those nearest and dearest to him would not be a part of that decision??? Someone needs to be brave enough to ask that question of Mr. Romney. Religious freedoms in our country are sacred, but the decision of war is one of the hardest decisions to make for a reason, lives are at stake.
Deanne
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
You can see that the lying rich bitches stick together. Here’s Cindy McCain’s tweet from yesterday because the ladies of the View mistreated Little Johnnie Shity Diaper so badly in 2008.
Cindy McCain @CindyhM1
@AnnDRomney on The View tomorrow. Perhaps the ladies will have the correct amount of caffeine that will make them behave nicely!
Tells you that these pond scum Rethugs could never stand up to foreign leaders when they see themselves as victims of the View Ladies.
pamela.corpier
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
My husband and two Brothers served in Vietnam.Husband retired from service.We didn’t have enough money or connections to BUY those deferments that were needed to keep anyone from fighting. We did what we had to do for America because our President said it was important.And we believed in him and our duty to this country. With all this bashing of the American people talk, from Romney’s clan, I couldn’t trust him.You don’t risk coming back in a coffin from a Missionary stay in France.Her son’s may have come back men (after all, they were in France),But not as Warriors.Can the Romney’s really think that all this PRETENDING and LYING is going to win him a Presidency.Keep pretending Mitt!
Joe G
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
They are far out of the main stream and unable to “get it” because they’ve NEVER had to scrape by or SACRIFICE to get ANYTHING! He’s (WILLARD) the leader of a spoiled rich group of me-me-me’s!
wanda
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
I love how all are criticizing Romney on lack of military service, yet no one is mentioning Obama’s lack of military (among several other critical experience for being the POTUS)… btw, NOT a Romney supporter but it’s ridiculous how so many over-look the BIG PICTURE
GoGirl
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
wanda, what war did Obama dodge the draft from? NONE.
You don’t see the difference between dodging the draft four times while being for the war and never being called? No wonder you support Romney. You poor thing.
Noneofyourbusiness
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
You know who also dodged the draft multiple times…Joe Biden AND Bill Clinton. It goes both ways. You guys are all over Romney for this but if its your own party its perfectly ok. I cant believe the comments on this site! What a bunch of two faced ignoramus people. Attacking a religion when you clearly don’t know all the facts. Last nights AL Smith dinner the POTUS and Mitt Romney each stated that while they differ politically they each can see that the other person is a good father, good person, and they RESPECT each other….so strange that people from either party commenting on this site can only see the bad in Romney and the POTUS. Come on PEOPLE!!!!!!!
GoGirl
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
EARTH to the troll: Biden’s son has been serving in combat for years.
Where in the Hell do you get your news?
Noneofyourbusiness
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 12:06 am
EARTH TO GOGIRL TROLL: THIS may be news to you, but Biden and Bill Clinton received deferments during Vietnam, are you labeling them as “draft dodger” as well. Lets get real, why are you assuming that mormons used missionary service to “dodge the draft” when the information I posted earlier clearly indicates that Utah Mormons represented the 5th highest vietnam era enlistments as of 1970 with 27,000. It is totally disingenuous to assume that someone who used deferments for a mission or education is a draft dodger.(Biden also supported the Vietnam war before opposing it..look it up…and like Romney used deferments to continue his education.) I am not voting for either candidate, but you are so partisan that you cant see straight. Ann was probably stunned by Whoppi’s lack of knowledge about her faith. If you read the entire transcript or watch the show it was evident that the conversation was about the idea that there are more ways to give service than simply serving in the military. P.S. Romney, like Biden turned from support for the war to opposition to the war. But I digress….you really are to partisan to see straight. GARY JOHNSON 2012!! (that’s right I am voting for the only truthful candidate in the game, Mitt and Barak are established LIARS. I voting am for the divorced guy that smokes medicinal marijuana, maybe you should to!)
GoGirl
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 12:49 am
You keep pretending that the article says Mormons don’t serve and it DOES NOT SAY THAT.
It says the opposite at the bottom. Can you read? stop sniveling about your religious persecution that does not exist.
Joe Biden had student deferements (and he had asthma and couldn’t have served anyway) and Joe Biden is not war mongering Iran. His son did serve. None of the Romneys served – five sons, not one of them.
I’m sorry that you a) can’t read and b) don’t understand the conflict of being PRO war but against anyone in your family serving.
Romney also said his sons serve their country by serving him. I have a lot of friends in Afghanistan right now – and it offends me that Romney thinks biking around France and helping get him elected is the same thing, but he wants to send MY FRIENDS to war.
GoGirl
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 12:53 am
PS Biden focused on withdrawal from Vietnam. Do you understand the difference between being FOR a war you won’t serve in and working to end a war that you got a student deferement for? CONSISTENCY.
But that won’t matter to you since you see persecution where it doesn’t exist. You can’t even read and claim the article says things it doesn’t say so your word is worth NOTHING.
mjh
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 3:41 am
You know who also dodged the draft multiple times…Joe Biden AND Bill Clinton.
Earth to Noneofyourbusiness:
Clinton entered the draft in December of 1969, received a high number [311], and WAS NOT CALLED TO SERVE.
www.snopes.com/politics/c...
That’s a bit different than “dodging” the draft.
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Anne
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
First, Willard is 14 years older than the president, so the issue of the Vietnam War would not apply to Barack Obama. We are reaming Willard for his blatant hypocrisy in protesting in favor of the Vietnam War but letting others fight in it. He got a number of deferments and went to France, where he spent time pushing his religion. In addition, when Willard was young, men got drafted. Currently, with no draft, people with other choices do other things. While I respect military service, since a number of my own relatives served in several wars including the one in Vietnam, there are a number of ways in which people serve their countries. It’s about Willard’s hypocrisy rather than the fact that he didn’t serve in the military.
Victoria Lamb, MSHA
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Obama was 11 years old when the Vietnam War ended, and the draft stopped a few years prior to the war’s end. Duh!
thfan
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
President. Obama’s grandfather served and I’m pretty sure his father did also. And The president’s children are a bit too young to serve.
Lori
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
“Stop it!” “This is hard!”
Oh, boo effing hoo, Queen Ann.
jcinco
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
My dog, these people make me sick. The audacity of this snobbish bitch saying her boys doing their little mormon mission being comparable to sending our kids to fight and quite possibly die is unbelievable. Let’s see riding around on a bicycle in a white shirt and skinny tie vs driving over an IED…wow, just wow. Or the unhinged old man rah rahing all the other young men to go to Viet Nam while he tools around the french countryside…I honestly think the whole frickin’ family is crazy.
brigita Petrutis
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Just as my jaw was dropped listening to Romney ramble on about flex-time as if it were a huge conciliation on his part, again today listening to the wife ramble on about how serving the mission is serving the country. Do these people occupy an alternative backwards universe that sortof looks like ours? First she coyly pointed out that since she is not running for office, her opinion doesn’t matter. Sure, lady.
Kitty Chmielewski
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Apparently serving your Mormon mission being the same as military service is the same logic that lets you consider your (obligated) tithe to the church as “a tax” and so you don’t need to pay taxes to the government. It’s called “separation of church and state” for a reason, Mittens and Annie-poo. I don’t care how much money you make, you owe an appropriate amount to the government regardless of how much you give to your choice of religious buildings. I don’t care how much you want to convert Frenchmen to wearing magic underwear (I’m not sure they wear any at all, anyways…they are far too sexy), that is not the same thing as going into the steaming jungle and trying not to die by an unseen assailant who looks just like your (so-called) local ally. One has NOTHING to do with the other and Mittens, you have consistently FAILED to serve your country. Why on Earth do you think you deserve to be President when you have nothing to recommend you for that particularly hard service? Take away their money and then take them and their (30 year old) children and dump them in Calcutta so that they get the maximum effect of REAL WORLD to break through that crystal ball of delusion they live in. And in the meantime, we will continue to fact check and ask the sharp-tongued questions.
Diane Meeds
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
There has never been anything in the Constitution of the US about separation of Church and State. The things included in the Const. are about not being run by the Big Catholic Church of that time. Being misuse this all the time.
I beg to differ about the conditions of war stated, and missionary work. Many missions have had those exact circumstances!
Should you be sent to Calcutta? I think there are a lot of places worse than here (and a lot of them are where our churches have missions!).
Why do most of these “liberal objectors” making comments here so full of hatred and filth? Does that make anyone want to believe the way you do?
mjh
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
There has never been anything in the Constitution of the US about separation of Church and State.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
– US Constitution, Amendment I
EARTH TO DIANE MEEDS
What that means is that while US citizens are free to practice whatever religion they may desire (or none at all), that practice cannot be MANDATED by the government.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
EARTH TO DIANE MEEDS
What that means is that no US government officeholder shall ever be bound to follow any particular religion.
Goodness — it’d be nice if these so-called Constitution-loving wingnuts would READ the document once in a while . . .
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Reynardine
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
¿¡Nothing in the Constitution about the separation of church and state!? Go back to kindergarten, and don’t bother adults again until you have completed twelve grades!
Eykis
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Diane,
Another CLUELESS wonder. Read the Constitution. You sound like the FlipFlopper – by your words saying NO separation of church and state – that is was all about Catholicism – WRONG
Secondly, by my way of thinking – the SECOND AMENDMENT – Right to Bear Arms MEANS a WELL-REGULATED MILITIA, it does not mean every citizen has the right to AK47s and RPGs.
Here is your giveaway: ” (and a lot of them are where our churches have missions!). KEEP XTIAN CHURCHES AWAY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES. It is NOT up to America to DENOUNCE anyone’s religion anywhere on Earth.
Me
Oct. 22nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Dianne,
I am only replying since I can’t give you two thumbs down… until you provide statistics on Mormon missionaries killed, permanently disabled and dead from suicide caused by the damage of living in an active comabat zone, I think you really need to STFU.
That being said… I have relatives that have been doctors and soldiers serving this country from the American Revolution to the Iraq War… you have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about.
I just thank the lord my ex is retired from 7 years in the Marines and 3 in the Navy. Hoorah!!!
Maty Roberts
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Christians and military look out next they are going to try and run the country on Mormon principles. But you really don’t care as long as it gets the black man out of the white house. If he wins, you will be crying to the Lord when he I sister that you serve John Smith.
Eric
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
“…..sharp and *young*”??? yeah, right. Lousy save, Mitt. No offense to the ladies on The View, but few of the ones he’s worried about can qualify as “young”. And if that were the true words spoken, then it calls his judgement into question. Either you have no clue about people, or you’re just saying the best words to butter up the audience of the moment. Wait, isn’t that how your whole flip-flopping campaign has been run?
rickster
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
well, the mormon theme song is onward christian soldiers after all
Mike
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Maybe Ann thought Mitt would be mistaken for an invading German solder come to finish the job from WWII.
Brian Hagman
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Nobody, and I mean nobody, in Romney’s family has ever served their country. Also, I may be wrong, but nobody in her family has ever served either. But, even if I’m wrong, I DO NOT APPOLIGIZE. There is none needed for these sick assholes.
Kevin
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
What a great site. Just say something, anything negative about Romney and you get all these high fives. A lot of open minded people here.
For example, everyone agreeing that Romney is stupid. It is pretty obvious the man is not stupid. You might not agree with his politics but he is not stupid and is probably smarter than every poster here including myself. I don’t think Obama is stupid and is more intelligent than I am. I just don’t like his policies.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Which policys are you against?
jdadam
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
We don’t know what policies he has except criminalizing women’s private parts unless used only by Men. Carry every baby to term no matter if it will kill you (by the way, that is what would have happened to me at 22 if abortion hadn’t been legal). Mostly, no one knows anything about his “new” policies; he dropped inuendos at the 1st Debate. Guess he firgured he won that one and since no one is demanding any financials for him to move into the People’s White House, we can only go by the policies he stated prior to the 1st debate. Check out Paul Ryan’s stance prior to being candidate for V.P. Or read the GOP Platform from the convention. If you can determine anything new, please share!
C.L.
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Personally, I don’t think Romney is stupid at all. He does a good flip-flop when necessary for political gain. He talks in vague references which he calls ‘points’ and seems very insincere to me. The only time I believe him is when he professes his love for His Church and family. He should stick to being a business man. He lacks the qualities necessary to hold the Office of the Presidency..js..
Sammy
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 2:17 am
No Kevin, Mitt is not stupid. But he is a very evil, evil shallow excuse for a man.
Thank you.
jdadam
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 11:57 am
You give him too much credit. He is about as smart as GW, and yes, just as evil.
jdadam
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 11:53 am
A 1% client of mine told me, after a great deal of discussion concerning the quality of “work” from one of his top producers, “don’t worry about it, you don’t have to be smart to make boatloads of money.”
Mr. Romney is more the rule than the exception
Eykis
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Kevin,
Maybe you are the StupidOne here – look at the masthead – REAL LIBERAL POLITICS. That is a CLUE for the CLUELESS.
Go over to Faux Notion’s Hatesite and see what happens to ANYONE who disagrees with the lockstep idiocy of the RePiggery Obstructionists of the Evangelibaggers and Fascists Team. Death threats by IMBECILIC RACISTS. That is likely your problem as well.
Saiorse
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
ROFL!!! I can’t remember the last time I heard such nonsense.
Ann gives blondes a bad name.
jstrue2u
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Shiva yes good question just what is Romneys policies~one day he will repeal obamacare and roe vs wade next it is he will not he flip flops constently and lies and lies and lies~
C.L.
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
The Romney’s have shown nothing but total disrespect for our troops and their service to the country here. Disgusting!!
Pat Padrnos
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Sarah -
I can only imagine the anger you experienced in doing this article. It was hard for me to read as I kept getting more and more upset. Thank you for putting it all together as I can – absolutely can not watch either Ann or Mitt on any interview. It is all such bs. Can’t deal with it.
Thank you, as always, for your continued good work.
Jan Hobbs
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I was in the USAF, and left active duty in 1983. When Desert Shield happened in the summer of 1990, I desperately wanted to go back on active duty, or even into the reserves, and do what I could to serve my country. I was deemed “too old” by six months, to reenter active duty or even the reserves (I was 32)! I cannot understand how either of the Romneys, or their supporters either, can rationalize away his time spent on a mission as being equal to serving his country. I do not expect our president to have necessarily served, but I DO expect our president to NOT have dodged service the way Romney did. The man, his wife, and most recently his son (for his “joke” about wanting to hit POTUS) all make my skin crawl – and that’s at the best of times.
Diane Meeds
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
I have had a lot of people in my family in the military (a lot more than you mention). You know what? Most of them (the ones still alive, but I know how they would have voted, anyway) are voting for Gov Romney. Every man in the US has served in the military, except the Romneys? First I heard of it. My family has always supported the military, the church, the USA…and they support Mitt Romney. Maybe some of you liberals should use your heads, instead of following your idols, blindly.
Fe Mil
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 12:45 am
Stop painting every one with the same brush Diane. I believe that the purpose of boot camp is to break a soldier down and then build him back up. They get them young and tell them what to think. There are a lot of you conservatives that truly believe you are the only ones who love the country. Not true. I love my country like an adult loves a family member that has been swayed by wrong reasons (George Bush and company) to do wrong things. Take money from the poor to give to the rich, ignore the needs of citizens, send our children off to die in a war in Iraq based on lies and for personal gain and overstay any welcome.
In the process of being confused and thinking Obama is pastor of the country (he is not- go to the church of your choice) you are letting people deceive you as they lie to your face, They have made you so afraid of “liberals” OOOOoooooooo. It’s not a bad word. We are not bad people. I believe in the constitution. Keep your guns. Don’t have a abortion. Don’t deny other people their rights. That’s what I am voting for. Protection of my rights.
Along the way I noticed that Ann Romney is a stuck up t$%*, her husband lies like he breathes and the kids have violent and conniving personalities.
That sounds like entitled bullshit has riddled their brains.
I want our military home. We have to get out of Afghanistan ASAP. And the Mormon kids, who cares. The rich have always sent the poor to fight their wars while they sit back and count their $$$. No surprise there.
GoGirl
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Great comment! a president doesn’t have to serve but they shouldn’t be FOR war and then get 4 deferements to dodge the draft.
Morning Joy
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
The Romney mama boys are nothing but cowards.Ten members of my immediate family served this great country and was willing to lay down their lives in the process. Guess what you Romney boys ,they were not all MEN. Two sisters ,one a Marine,one Air Force,and a aunt in the Air Force.
I have no respect for those whips,except for the fact the are human beings entitled to make their choices.None of them including Mitt will be good for this country.
Romney will turn this country over with his Supreme Court appointments. We will all be slaves to Walmitts,Koch industry
I am afraid for our country.Romney on a conference call encouraging Voter Suppression.
His coward sons and their sense of entitlement
There will be two Americas them and the 47% ( us )
that Romeny is not concerned about.
Wake up America.He is worst than GW Bush
Go Forward O&B 2012
Morning Joy
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
I voted yesterday,the first day for Early Voting in Tennessee. I voted for the POTUS and his Friend Biden! I am encouraging everyone to vote. This election is serious. I do not want my grandchild to grow up in a country ” just because she is a girl,and can work side by side a man and not receive
equal pay.
I want her to be able to control her own body.
In Arizona people received their voter registration cards.No problem, well guess what?
ONE DATE FOR THE ELECTION in English is NOVEMBER 6TH, BUT IN SPANISH, THE DATE TO VOTE IS NOVEMBER 8TH They intend to steal this election>>>..
Goggle the audio where Romney encourages his corporate crooks to suppress their employees to vote for him.
PA is still suppressing the vote.
Vote Early folks.They will slow down the machines
on the date of the election.
Eykis
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Joy,
I voted in Tennessee on Thursday. OBAMA/BIDEN, straight Yellow Dog except the imbecile from East TN running against Corker. The TN Democratic Party screwed the pooch on that one, so I left it blank. We are going to be stuck with Corker.
Yes, VOTE EARLY, you vote at your local courthouse or election board and can WATCH the poll workers scan your ballot in front of you. There are no lines, no hassles and you can INSURE YOUR VOTE did not get “lostintranslation/transport/tossedintrash” by RePiggery Fascists WRECKING so many states right now.
Atin Parva
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
I’m wondering if Willard (aka Mitt) is suffering from PTSD from having to share a bathroom while “serving” in France.
Fedup
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
As a veteran I take offense to this statement from Anal Ann. MORMON missionaries don’t come home in body bags from there mission to France do they MITT.
Diane Meeds
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Not true. Or maybe…sometimes they get buried where they are at. But, many missionaries have died in the field. Many of them giving silent resistence to war criminals that most of our men do not have to face. Just because they are a missionary, does not mean they have a cushy life. Most missions do not have a lot of the necessities. A lot of these are famous,or did you not care in school (because they weren’t soldiers and did not carry weapons?)?
Reynardine
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Not in 1960′s France, though.
Eykis
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Diane,
Let me ask you a question I’ve often asked religious people, including the parish priest when I was stuck in Catechism school every Saturday, 4 hours a day for 2 years – in the 1960s, btw.
Why do XTIANS call other people and their religions “savages” or whatever other names they use for non-Xtians.
HOW DARE XTIANS GO TO OTHER SOCIETIES AND TELL PEOPLE THEY MUST BE SAVED BY THE AMERICAN JESUS?
When the current wars first started two American female missionaries were being held in Afghanistan for passing out Bibulls – WHY would AMERICAN WOMEN go to the WORST place on Earth for women and try to convert others? Arrogance and stupidity.
It makes me ill and has made me ill for most of my 58 years on this Earth.
Laura Arrendell-McMahan
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Ann Romney is cracked! How she can even come close to equating Mormon mission work to serving in the military is a mystery to me! Furthermore, all the mission kids do is try to give you a book of Mormon and bring you into the cult! I no more believe that God “spake” to Joseph Smith than I believe in the tooth fairy! Do we really want crazies like this running our country???
Cory
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Well, in a way she’s kind of right… A missionary going to proselytize is similar to war in that the person on the receiving end is usually terribly inconvenienced by the whole thing and would prefer it if the invader would just go home and leave them the F alone.
D A Isley
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Again, you just can’t fix stupidity. Anyone that says that we need another war as never been in the military. I honestly think that Mitt was chickenshit to go to Vietnam and his sons are cowards. They probably never been in a real fight except to maybe wrestler each other.
Christopher Taggart
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
‘…Mormon Mission IS the Same as Serving in the Military’ IF you’re trying to get out of actually serving our country! Have you or any of your sons been deployed around the world? What’s the heat like in Iraq or Afghanistan? I know because I’ve been there.
Greg
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Mormon here. I served a mission for the LDS church. Loved it. I also currently serve in the marines and did so before serving as a mormon missionary. I am not unique in that sense, not by a long shot. It is very common for LDS men and women to serve both their God and their country.
In fact, I am sure that the percentage of those who undertake military service among the member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is no lower than the national average.
Frankly, this article is offensive to me and the thousands of other mormon service-men in active duty. Does my choice to believe in Christ and lend two years of my life to serve Him and others make my offering to my country less valuable?
Shameful. Just shameful. Or as Captain Hook would say, “Poor form, Peter.”.
I am astounded at the one-sided nature of this article but, hey, it’s politics. Please re-think what this article is trying to sell you and ask if you’re really going to buy into it. If you do, at least consider all possibilities first.
GoGirl
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Where does it say anything like Mormons don’t serve? It doesn’t. You’re offended for partisan reasons most likely because nowhere in the article does it say anything bad about Mormons. These certain Mormons who used missionary work to dodge the draft of a war they were for is not cool!
Noneofyourbusiness
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
What Ann was saying was there are different ways to serve. Plenty of people received deferments for education and missionary service and not solely because they were “draft dodgers”, an insult to anyone who received a deferment for their education or mission in the late 60′s and 70′s. There are also plenty of Mormons that did both during Vietnam. My father in law is one of them, an Injured vet from this era with an 80% disability rating AND a returned missionary. What is insulting is Whoppi insinuating that Mormons are cowards and don’t serve for religious purposes, which is a lie and not true. She was trying to paint the picture that because Romney is a Mormon and Mormons don’t serve, that he shouldn’t be the president. Your comment is shameful.
Noneofyourbusiness
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Here are the facts about Mormons/Utah during the Vietnam war (not that anyone is interested in the truth around here!):
“By 1976, the estimated number of Vietnam War Veterans living in Utah and who served between 1964 and 1975 was over 47,000. Among those who served in Vietnam were members of the Utah National Guard who volunteered individually for service.Utah sent more than its share of young men to Vietnam. Statistics from the 1970 census indicate that 27,910 served in Vietnam out of a potential 326,029 males age sixteen and over. The 8.6 percent placed Utah in fifth place behind Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, and Nevada, and well ahead of the national average of 6.9 percent. This high percentage was especially noteworthy because of several factors which tended to bring down the number of men serving in the military through the deferments that were available for them. These included: LDS missions for which deferments were available; a higher percentage of Utah males attending college with Utah leading the nation in young males attending college; and the tendency for Utahns to start families earlier than in most parts of the country. Many of the soldiers from Utah served both a Mormon mission and tours in Vietnam.”
GoGirl
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
READING COMPREHENSION PROBLEM MUCH?
It says right in the article that many Mormons served! Nice try at playing the victim.
Now, why did Romney get four deferements when he supported the war? He had no religious objection to war and is war mongering now!
A Walkaway
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Two years of your life trying to trick or con others into being converted to your religion (or form of “Christianity”). Two years of telling or repeating lies? Two years of trying to sell disproved lies to a gullible public?
The “Book of Mormon” has been soundly disproved by science – especially the core of the book. There never was a “lost tribe of Israel”, much less one here on this continent before the whites came. The mounds and great cities that existed here were built by MY ancestors – that has been (to use a word that isn’t considered scientific) PROVED, and that bigot Joseph Smith was just repeating the lies going around about my people. In fact, there is strong evidence that he was a con man and using many of the traditional con game practices of the day.
It is an insult to veterans and active military everywhere to equate two years of lies and comparatively cushy living to being in the military and putting one’s life on the line “for the Country”.
red griffiths
Oct. 18th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Willard is a coward when it comes to appearing on the view. Ironicaly Willard almost didn’t come home from france. I have seen it reported that he was in a horrific car crash and was in a coma for a period of time and it is postulated that his apparent memory lapses are some remaining side effect of said car crash. so i wouldn’t vote for a close head injured person or a flip flopping lieing coward. ann may not have mentioned the car crash because she was out having fun at the time.
Bron Rock
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 12:01 am
“The Romneys are war mongers with other people’s children while claiming that their own have served by serving their “mission” and helping Mitt Romney get elected. Military service is not a necessity for a CIC, but being a four time draft-dodger and refusing to send your own children to war is a far distance from simply not having served.” The Romney’s should be banned for life from ever attending a military funeral, not just simply from not ever having served in generations, but from their beliefs that justifies in their minds of why they have never served!
Kenneth Morgan
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 1:28 am
Ann should tell her story to Mohamed Ali. She would see what a man of real conviction did due to religious beliefs, but spent the time anyway. She wouldn’t talk to him because his name sounds Muslim.
A Walkaway
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
She won’t talk to him because he’s black and proud of it – and he’d rejected assimilation.
NoE
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 1:35 am
Only one queston
“At another time*, Romney denied that he sought to avoid the draft and claimed that he had wanted to serve,”
so, why didn’t he?
den
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 2:08 am
I’m sure it also counts as serving, to carry signs against the people in the sitdows for failing to rush off to war when Romney himself was exempt. Now thats compassionate servitude
Edmond Kalestiantz
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 2:16 am
It is not funny but I laughed hard as I read the article and then all the replies. Well the funny part is how in the world people like Romneys can get so far in life being so out of touch in so many ways? and even now how is he getting so many supports, after everything we see from this family? well that is also funny but if he gets elected we would not be laughing, we’ll be crying.
Sy duck
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Sound like the person we ALL know-SP
A.L. Hern
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 4:28 am
Serving one’s church isn’t even remotely equivalent to serving in the military. It is, however, roughly like working for Bain Capital. In sending out missionaries, the Mormon Church, like every religion that proselytizes, is expanding its power and economic base, especially lucrative for denominations in which members typically tithe 10% of their income to the church.
Still, to be fair to Romney, at four draft deferments he’s still one behind Dick Cheney.
Bill Fields
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 8:42 am
As a Viet Nam veteran, I have one thing to say to Mrs. Romney – Please remove your foot from your mouth, I can’t understand what you’re saying.
UT
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 9:13 am
What nerve this lady has. Oh yeah my time in Iraq getting shot is just as fun as riding a bike around the neighborhood. You have to give her credit the danger of the hood can be well rough sometimes especially when you are raised being sheltered.
Julie
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 10:19 am
“sharp and young”????!!!! because “young” is exactly how I would describe Joy Behar, Whoopi Goldberg, and Barbara Walters (especially compared to their conservative co-host Elizabeth!!)
jdadam
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 11:47 am
This woman is as dumb as a stump, that’s what it takes to be married to Mitt. They are a match made in…..whatever they’re going to name their planet Kingdom.
Fed Up
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
God help us if Mitt is voted in. His wife has an excuse for being so stupid, if she does not do everything old Mitt wants Mitt thinks he has the power to raise Ann from the grave and if she does not obey him he will leave her in the grave. Remember it was in the 70s that the mormons decided that black people were not black skinned because they were such sinners. Joseph Smith was a child molester and that is the basis for the mormon religion. OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE REAL WORLD THE 47%
Eric Roberts
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
I know for a fact Mormons do an can serve. When i was in the Army, there was a young man in my platoon (I was a medic in a mechanized infantry battalion) who was a Mormon. The military makes accommodations for conscientious objectors who prefer not to be in combat arms, but still want to do the honorable thing and serve their country. being a medic is one way. Another is in one of the many support positions like cooks, supply, mechanics, administration, etc…for every combat soldier, there are quite a few support personnel making sure that soldier has the gear, food, medical care, etc, that they need to survive. Not serving due to religious objections is a load of BS and just an excuse to be a coward.
Diane Meeds
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Mrs Romney didn’t say that that was an excuse to not serve. They didn’t go to the mission field to avoid going to the military. It’s not required for men to serve, and most men don’t. I can’t believe people are throwing this in their laps. How many people who commented served in the military? How about Whoopi? I don’t think so.
SinghX
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
And I will back you up up on this fact, Eric. There were a lot of Mormons, actually a majority of Mormons, in a particular battalion that I am more than familiar…as far as I could tell, they soldiered-on just like any troop with no delineation except for social events…when their wives attended. Poor sods…
I way back when, I attended a number of social military events where I was a “minority”…I was always shunned by the Mormon wives because I wore sleeve-less cocktail dresses hemmed above the knee. And, I was glad they shunned me. That way, I got to spend the evening seeking out the old officers who told dirty jokes while Mormon women-folk looked on, hissing scrunching-up their faces with scorn. Old beaters…
The bottom line is this; Ann is just “acting”. Normally, she would shun women like those on “The View” as that is her “woman-folk” way of treating the non-Mormon woman; I saw it then and, I see now.
Nothing has changed…
All I can add is, a good liar is always a good actor.
Diane Meeds
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
I wonder when Whoopi and her cronies served in the military? Not every man goes to the military. You gripe about the soldiers, then gripe if men don’t go. Typical! And, obviously, Whoopi has no clue how dangerous a lot of missions are. In a sense, she is griping about their religion. I don’t hear the Romneys griping about her lack of religion! You liberals are really grasping. Same-o, same-o. Obama couldn’t even come up with much during the debate. Find something new to say. Better yet…talk about your own accomplishments, instead of throwing everyone’s attention to something else. Take responsibility!
SinghX
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
So, tell us Diane, how many Mormon men AND women serve in the military as opposed to how many go off on church missions? How many do you personally know who were given a choice NOT to go on a mission, in comparison to those choosing to sign up at 18 and serve in the military…
Again, how many women do you personally know, who are Mormon who, at age 18 signed up to serve the military instead of going on a Mission? Please provide examples of Mormon families where the women do military service..come on, Diane, there are plenty of Mormon families with 5 plus kids out there….
You don’t have the right to attack the women of “The View” for non-military service unless you can cough up the fact on Mormon women who consider it their patriotic duty to sign up and serve their country in our military…
mjh
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 3:54 am
I wonder when Whoopi and her cronies served in the military? Not every man goes to the military.
EARTH TO DIANE MEEDS
One more time . . .
The GRIPE isn’t with people who choose not to go into the military.
The GRIPE isn’t even with Mormons who choose to into the military.
The GRIPE IS with people like Mitt who cheerlead for war, but won’t volunteer to go themselves, instead choosing to go on a mission to AVOID going to war . . . and people like Ann who EQUATE going on that mission WITH going to war, when they are in no way similar.
Is it sinking in now?
.
Eykis
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Diane,
Although I have not served, my sister and brother did. I am married to a military man and live 17 miles from Gate4, Ft. Campbell (101st airborne, Air Assault). I see the MOST DEPLOYED “Troops” every single day – the churches on every corner around here DO NOT send their kids to WARS, they send them to places they are NOT WANTED trying to bring their religiosity to the “savages”.
When did you serve? How old are you? Did you KNOW women can serve? You just mention “men”. Pathetic
David Donigan
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
@ Diane Meeds. You admonish us to think. Maybe, just maybe, that’s what we’re doing. No doubt, being a missionary, say in Uganda, might very well be dangerous….not so much in France however. There are many of us who have served in the military during conflict. Riding a bicycle around France, does not in any way compare to being shot at, losing your close friends and running the risk of coming home in a body bag. Besides, serving your church does not equate to serving your country. It is especially galling that one pushes for war but lacks the conviction to place themselves or their loved ones in harms way. It furthers the notion that they think they are better than all the other poor slobs and should be able to decide who should live or die. That is the crux of the matter.
Aval
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Pity. Pity. Pity.
Out of all this I am very concerned about Romney’s mental health. Enough creeped through in this article to concern me. It needs to be explored.
Also, that is very bad that a woman hoping to become first lady of this country equates a church mission in a peaceful area to military service.
Every military should take exception to such as well as every civilian. Got to tell you, they have an ingrained attitude and way of life that should they get in, we will be come like “share croppers” who were never able to get ahead. Talk about poor houses, we could only hope such would exist although I see them as viewing them as blight with no owning up to their contribution.
I just don’t know how any one who supports our troops could support Romney.
Reynardine
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Stewart Udall, our former Secretary of the Interior, served four years as a gunner in a bomber squadron in the European Theater in World War II. His brother, Morris, tried to enlist by concealing his glass eye during army physicals, and he almost succeeded till someone told on him. Both were Mormons. And now, what excuse do the Romney “men” have?S
katherine norton malek
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Everytime they let this woman out of her mansions, she says something completely stupid and shockingly clueless. When Mitt Romney said, in his infamous 47% taped speech, “we don’t use Ann much because we don’t want people to get tired of her” is one of the smartest decisions he’s made in this election season. By all means, keep her mouth shut. She’s got the IQ of a cockroach.
Brett
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I’ve served a mission and I am currently active duty military. Nothing compares to military deployment. Prisoners in a state prison have better living conditions than deployed sailors and soldiers. If you haven’t deployed, have respect for those who have but understand, no civilian experiences compare. No civilian should make such statements.
BlueCornMoon
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
I hear Twilight Zone music, folks ! How out of touch can you get? How can she equate Mormon missionary service with folks going to war & coming home in body bags, with missing limbs, catastrophic brain damage,PTSD, & needing tons of rehab to lead as normal a life as possible ??
Syduck
Oct. 19th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
O God please help me!!!!!!!
Gloria
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Wow, you people are so hateful. There are so many derogatory things one can say about either men, but I had no idea Democrats were so filled with hate. I’m glad I’ve seen the light and changed from Democrat to Independent. And one last note, today’s parents don’t “send their children to war”. It’s actually a choice nowadays to join the military. Thank God my father, a Purple Heart WWII hero, fought so hard for our “freedoms”. Wow!
mjh
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 3:57 am
Oh, WAAAH, Gloria.
Since when is calling somebody out for hypocrisy “being filled with hate?”
If you want to see real hatred, take a stroll over to FoxNation . . .
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Eykis
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Gloria,
Talk about blatant lies – your calling yourself an independent DOES NOT fit with your words – WHO IS SUPPRESSING THE VOTE? It is the RePig Evagelibaggers and Fascists, not the Democrats.
You can call yourself anything you want, but if you post BLATANT GARBAGE we see right through you.
Any woman voting for RePigs hates themselves and their lives, enjoy living in tent, barefoot and pregnant, have at it. It is America.
Anne
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 1:18 am
@Gloria:
What about the hypocrisy of demonstrating in favor of a war that one gets 4 deferments from fighting himself do you not understand? No one is downing Willard for not having served, since there are other ways to serve one’s country. We are downing him for his dishonesty in supporting a war he did everything to avoid serving in. And yes, he does want to start another war in which other people’s kids would be fighting in. Why else would he be doing the kind of sable-rattling so typical among cowardly chickenhawks like Dick Cheney? As for going abroad and trying to find converts to his faith, that is serving his church and not the country.
Keith
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Nice work, Sarah. Your slight-of-hand trick turning Mrs. Romney’s statement into a comparison of missionary service and military service worked and people have fallen for it like flies on the doo doo it is.
This is so typically disingenuous of you left-wingers. And where exactly did Obama do his military service? Oh that’s right, you equate community organizing with military service, don’t you?
Eykis
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Keith,
First thing here – Mittens protested FOR THE VIET NAM War and ran off to France, evading the DRAFT – he SUPPORTED Dubya’s wars yet NOT ONE OF HIS FIVE MALE CHILDREN signed up.
President Obama was a tiny child during Viet Nam, he VOTED AGAINST the wars of Dubya and Cheney.
ROMNEYS ARE COWARDLY LIARS.
outoftouch
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 9:48 am
As a recruiter, I’ve enlisted 3 Mormons in 4 years and one of the reserve units on that state had a Mormon Chaplin. All having honorable service inside a combat zone. I’ve also served with a few other Mormons throughout my 22.5 years in the military. Not a lot, I know, but they were as good of soldiers has I’ve even known so people, please don’t attack the religion because of the Romney family. However, I find it offensive that he is so supportive of wars when he and his family refuse to serve.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 10:18 am
I think this refers more to the upper hierarchy of the mormon church rather than the “normal” mormon population. Romney is in the upper part, not the normal part. Bad way of explaining it but hope you get my drift
Eykis
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Ann Romney is not at all a likeable person. She comes off as snooty, snippy, entitled and CLUELESS as to how the average American lives their life – be it financially, socially, politically or day-to-day.
QuennAnnNeverWillBe needs to go back to her castle and stay there with her SIX BOYZ.
Kelly Speaks
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 10:35 am
I am a FEMALE volunteer veteran who signed up back in 81 because of the Iran Hostage Crisis… None of her spoiled sons bothered to sign up when Republicans went to Iraq.. They were too busy playing trick or treat in England, Australia and Chile… Making sure they were Far Far away… I read someone yesterday who said somewhere that even the Princes of England serve/d.. Prince Charles, Prince Andrew, Prince Edward, Prince William and Prince Harry.. Both Prince Andrew and Prince Harry have been to war.. and Prince William certainly is not sitting on his laurels… I also want to add that Vice President Joe Biden’s son IS an Iraqi War Veteran.. He didn’t use any “influence” to skirt his duties.. Serving your church has nothing to do with your country…
Reynardine
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Furthermore, the present Queen Elizabeth, then Crown Princess, served as an ambulance driver while England was under bombardment, and one of Winston Churchill’s daughters served on an ack-ack battery.
Christine
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Wow, how disillusioned can you be? I love our Missionaries and support them. A vast majority of them are right out of high school or college, in short the first time away from home…. for two years… even in peace time… military service is typically 4 years. Having served in the Marine Corps with Return Missionaries (those who have completed their service)they agree that it helped them to be prepared for military life but it was NOT the same thing.
Anne
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Regardless of how individuals feel about the Mormon religion, one point of this article and most of the responses is that missionary work in no way compares to the enormous risks to lives, limbs, and psychological well-being that combat fighting entails. The other point is Willard’s blatant dishonesty in supporting wars to the extent of cheerleading for them–in this case, the one in Vietnam–but not being willing to fight in them and letting others die and be wounded. If he had been a conscientious objector to wars, period, that would have been a totally different story. But that was not the case. That makes his saber-rattling for the possibility of another war if he became president all the more egregious.
Judi Ann
Oct. 20th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Is this woman (Ann Romney) crazy? And Willard is a chicken. He sends his wife to the view instead of being man enough to show up his self. How could he go to war when he can’t even show up on the View?
Will
Oct. 21st, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Apparently, anywhere Mitt serves is a dangerous place…if he’s driving.
John
Oct. 22nd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Lets just get the record straight. Ms. Goldberg simply didn’t do her homework. LDS men and women can and do serve in the military and have served with distinction in every war. My father,who later in life served as a Mormon branch president and military chaplain, served 2 tours in Korea and was decorated with both silver and bronze stars for valor and purple heart for being wounded in combat. He continued to serve in the army reserve and was called to active duty in three other conflicts. He retired from the army reserve a full colonel. After his retirement, he continued to serve as post commander for the VFW, conducting military honors for veterans who died. When he passed away three years ago, his casket flag ceremony was was conducted by contingents from the National Guard, US Army, American Legion and Disabled American Veterans. There are tens of thousands of Mormon men and women in U.S. military active duty. They serve in every branch of military service.
Like Mr. Romney, I did not serve in the military because I was not required to. I registered for the draft and was eligible for the draft even while serving my mission for the church. Had the draft been enacted, and had I been called up, I would have served in the military when I returned from my mission at age 21. Mr. Romney did not dodge the draft. He simply did not choose serve in the military during the time he was elligible. A choice that was made by millions of Americans. A choice that was also made by President Obama who, likewise, did not serve in the military. Neither of these men should be looked down on for the choices they made.
The rhetoric on this site dishonors those Mormon men and women who have served with distinction and died in every war in defense of this great nation.
Wes James
Oct. 22nd, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Just saw a picture on Facebook of a brave but tearful young boy being presented a flag at his father’s graveside by a Marine Honor Guard member… wonder how many times a Mormon missionary’s parent has undergone that experience??? Ann- it’s NOT the same.
John
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Wes:
The question is not really how many Mormon missionary’s parents have undergone that experience, although the answer might surprise you. Every year, it seems, several missionaries are killed in the line of their religious duty. Is the risk of being killed in missionary service less than being killed in military service? Certainly. However, having attended both kinds of funeral services, I can tell you that the “experience” IS the same.
That having been said, the real question is how many Mormon parents, children, and spouses have stood at the graveside of a flag draped casket. I believe that answer might surprise you as well. I am a Mormon — I was one of those sons.
Greg
Oct. 25th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Once again people – she DID NOT SAY IT WAS THE SAME. Go back and LISTEN. Does she ever say the two are the same? No. Does she ever say that an LDS mission is as dangerous as military service? No. She simply stated that they chose another path of service. The critics of her comments are actually the ones who keep trying to draw comparisons and incorrectly conclude the intentions of her remarks. Again – apples and oranges. In over two decades of active duty I was fortunate enough to have served alongside many members of the LDS faith, many of whom served missions before they entered the military. I’ve seen the good and bad of it all. With all due respect to the situation you describe with the Marine Honor Guard – I would not wish that type of situation on any parent, sibling, or child. But unfortunately, it also happens all too often to family members of police officers and fire fighters – not just military. So do we now have to critisize Romney’s kids for not choosing one of those professions? Is dying in the line of duty as a member of the military, police, or as a fire fighter the only type of “honorable” death? The loss of a loved one, no matter how it happens, is hard enough. And by the way, lost in all the critisism of Mrs. Romney is the absolute stupidity of the comment/question by Ms. Goldberg in the first place. And for a liberal looney tune like her to even attempt to use military service to perpetuate the character judgement of others is an insult to those who HAVE served – and to those who actually DO support our troops for the RIGHT reasons.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 25th, 2012 at 9:21 am
justifying running away to France as an alternative to military service in United States is completely ludicrous
I am worried about Mrs. Romney’s mental state
Undecided Voter
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 6:23 pm
I have several points to make in this post:
1.Yes I am undecided, because there are positives and negatives to both Obama and Romney and it is my job as a responsible voter to weigh them carefully to determine the person better for our country.
2. To those of you who insist on insulting others due to their opinion: STOP. It in no way makes me or any other person think you are right. It, in fact, makes me want to run the other direction and vote for the person you are critisizing. We as people supporting our candidates are reflections or that said candidate and should act in a way we want them to be seen. Plus as a rule in debate, once you start critisizing the opponent as a person, YOU become the LOSING side. Attacking someones character instead of their actual arguement is the first sign of loss.
3. Since when did it become taboo in America to be Successful?? Seriously people, Bad Arguement.
4. From watching this episode several times, I see in no way that Anne Equated Military service to missionary service. There are in fact different ways to serve in life, and I believe that is what she was trying to say. I think people are grasping at straws and allowing their predjudice to cloud their judment on that matter
5. Also, although Obama did not serve in the military, he has learned quite a bit while being Commander-in-Chief. Which does give him an edge on Romney in those matters. But Fou Years ago Obama had NO military service and was not critisized on that fact. So why should we critisize Romney?
These are just some of the thoughts I had while reading through the many comments on this site.
travis
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I served my country and am a veteran and also served a mission. I found the expereiences very similar. Obviously riding your bike in the ghetto isn’t as dangerous as being deployed to Iraq but Ann never said it was.
Greg
Oct. 24th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
23 years active duty – and a Mormon. Proud to have served alongside men and women of many different faiths – many of whom were members of my faith. In the America that I know and love, men and women have a CHOICE whether to serve or not to serve in the armed forces. If they choose to serve – fine. If not, that’s fine, too! I had two sons who chose to serve missions in foreign countries for two years and did not choose to join the military. What they did during those two years was dedicate themselves completely to the service of others. Not in the same way I did, but yet it was very demanding. Comparing the two is like apples to oranges, but I’m very proud of their decision. Mrs. Romney never said it was the same thing. She simply stated that her sons chose another path or another type of service. In America, last time I checked, that’s still allowed. Military service is not, and should not be, a pre-requisite for public office – for anyone. Regardless, when the clock strikes 12 (that’s 2400 for you military types), those who are anti-Romney are going to interpret Mrs. Romney’s remarks in whatever manner suits your political agenda. But then again, it’s a free country, so why not?
Charley callahan
Oct. 25th, 2012 at 6:39 am
Bottom line, Romney and his ssons are yellow bast-rds
Greg
Oct. 25th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Hmmm … Then I wonder where that leaves Mr. Obama with his record of selfless and devoted military service??? Oh wait… I must be thinking of someone else. He’s just been way too busy promoting his psycho-liberal politics and the advocacy of a social welfare state in America. He just didn’t have the time – for any type of service. My bust! I certainly wouldn’t consider him a yellow bast-rd…
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 25th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Hilarious!
There is a vast difference3 between president Obama and Mr. Romney.
Mr. Romney protested Publicly for the war in Vietnam, got a deferment and ran to France.
President Obama neither protested for or against war and did not enlist.
The hypocrisy of Mr. Romney seems to elude you.
I think you totally miss the point of the article, but that’s no surprise
by the way, could you detail some of the psycho liberal politics and the social welfare state that you are talking about? There is nothing here in this country that Obama has added that is creating a social welfare state.
Greg
Oct. 25th, 2012 at 9:57 am
First let me be clear about one thing. I don’t support EITHER of these two candidates. I will admit that my social and political perspectives tend to lean more to the right than to the left – for what that even means anymore. Mr. Obama is simply too far to the left – for me. But, I do not believe Romney, or any other Republican for that matter, is the right person for the job either (and I am LDS). So yes, I agree with you when you say there is a vast difference between the two. I just don’t like or support either one of them.
Back in the day (aging myself here), there were a lot of us who protested against the war, and there were some, like Romney, who openly supported it. I have no problem with either one. Although I eventually “crossed over” and chose to serve, I now feel like I have earned the right to now speak out against the violence and the idiocy of war without anyone telling me I have no idea what I’m talking about. But in reality, I have no more or less right than any other American. Personally, I think if a person speaks out strongly in favor of a war then they should probably be willing to participate, but… not be “required” to do so. I can see where Romney’s decision not to serve in light of his support of the war could be viewed badly. So no, the hypocrisy of his decision does not elude me. In fact I don’t agree with what he did. But the fact that he went to France on a church mission and Obama simply chose not to enlist still produces the same result in the end. Neither one of them served, for whatever their reasons. But so what? I do not under any circumstances believe that military service should be a pre-requiste to serve in the white house or any other public office.
I do have my concerns with Mr. Obama’s politics and I could spend hours trying to answer your final question. In the end we probably wouldn’t agree on much. But again, so what? It’s America and we’re all entitled to our own views – even if everyone else thinks…
KAS
Oct. 30th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
I am tiring of the partisan comments. As a lifetime dem and Obama supporter, he too did not serve in the military. What are you thinking? These articles are so biased it is ridiculous.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 30th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
The article is not about serving in the military, its about his wife saying that being a missionary is equal to serving.. She said that becuase Romney ducked to france during VietNam