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	<title>Comments on: Bernie Sanders Is The First US Senator To Support Occupy Wall Street</title>
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		<title>By: jtoddring</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent video and commentary by the venerable Bernie Sanders - one important note must be made, however:

The struggle is not between left and right: 
it’s between democracy and corporatism -
 
We must unite the people, or the people and democracy both will lose


Not only are partisan loyalties and divisions increasingly irrelevant and out-moded, but divisions along ideological lines of left and right are also outmoded and largely obsolete. The major parties function as rubber-stamp agencies, spin doctors and propagandists for the same ruling corporate elite, as the majority of people are now very aware. Romney and Obama, the Republicans and the Democrats represent two wings of the same corporate-run machine. Supporting a lesser of two evils is no longer tenable or conscionable, if it ever was. Likewise, ideological factions and ideological partisanship and divisions will only impede us from the task at hand. The task is to unite the people so that they can reclaim their democracy and their future. If we fail to understand this most crucial point, then we have lost before we have begun, and nothing of significance will be accomplished, save for the familiar chanting of “We’re in the right! You’re wrong! (Or evil, or stupid, etc.)” – while the world and our future continues to burn. On this most central point we must be perfectly clear, or we will see no change for the better, but only a continued accelerating slide into a dark age of neo-feudal corporatism, the complete and final destruction of democracy and human rights, further environmentally suicidal behaviour, and a two-tiered society of corporate rulers and pillaged underclass.

The old battle lines of right and left are no longer as relevant today as they once were. The primary struggle is not between right and left, but between the vast majority of the people who support and favour constitutional democracy, be they liberal, conservative or progressive, and the ruling corporate elite and super-rich one percent who have usurped far too much power, and have come to dominate the economy, the media and the political process. What is needed is for the people to reclaim their power and their democracy. In order for that to be achieved, it is absolutely necessary that the people unite. 

Everyone who favours constitutional democracy over rule by the corporate elite, or any kind of elite, must unite now, in order that democracy can be reclaimed by the people. Once the people have reclaimed their democracy, then we can discuss and debate everything under the sun, democratically, and go from there. Until we have reclaimed our democracy from the corporate elite who now dominate economy, the media and the political process, the point is moot, for we are stone-walled.

If we wish for justice, for peace, for environmental sanity, for human rights and constitutionally protected civil liberties, or for prosperity and well-being for all, then we must above all, and before anything else, reclaim our democracy: and in order to do that, the people will have to unite. 

What has been said before is entirely and extremely relevant now: “We must all hang together, or assuredly, we shall all hang separately. United we stand, divided we fall.” (Benjamin Franklin) If the people do not unite, they will be unable to reclaim their democracy from the corporate elite who have usurped it; and if the people do not reclaim their democracy, then there will be an even darker time ahead for the people and for the world. These are the simple facts which we now face.

Reclaim democracy. Unite the people now.

JTR,
October 6, 2011 

See: Writings of J. Todd Ring, on Wordpress]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent video and commentary by the venerable Bernie Sanders &#8211; one important note must be made, however:</p>
<p>The struggle is not between left and right:<br />
it’s between democracy and corporatism -</p>
<p>We must unite the people, or the people and democracy both will lose</p>
<p>Not only are partisan loyalties and divisions increasingly irrelevant and out-moded, but divisions along ideological lines of left and right are also outmoded and largely obsolete. The major parties function as rubber-stamp agencies, spin doctors and propagandists for the same ruling corporate elite, as the majority of people are now very aware. Romney and Obama, the Republicans and the Democrats represent two wings of the same corporate-run machine. Supporting a lesser of two evils is no longer tenable or conscionable, if it ever was. Likewise, ideological factions and ideological partisanship and divisions will only impede us from the task at hand. The task is to unite the people so that they can reclaim their democracy and their future. If we fail to understand this most crucial point, then we have lost before we have begun, and nothing of significance will be accomplished, save for the familiar chanting of “We’re in the right! You’re wrong! (Or evil, or stupid, etc.)” – while the world and our future continues to burn. On this most central point we must be perfectly clear, or we will see no change for the better, but only a continued accelerating slide into a dark age of neo-feudal corporatism, the complete and final destruction of democracy and human rights, further environmentally suicidal behaviour, and a two-tiered society of corporate rulers and pillaged underclass.</p>
<p>The old battle lines of right and left are no longer as relevant today as they once were. The primary struggle is not between right and left, but between the vast majority of the people who support and favour constitutional democracy, be they liberal, conservative or progressive, and the ruling corporate elite and super-rich one percent who have usurped far too much power, and have come to dominate the economy, the media and the political process. What is needed is for the people to reclaim their power and their democracy. In order for that to be achieved, it is absolutely necessary that the people unite. </p>
<p>Everyone who favours constitutional democracy over rule by the corporate elite, or any kind of elite, must unite now, in order that democracy can be reclaimed by the people. Once the people have reclaimed their democracy, then we can discuss and debate everything under the sun, democratically, and go from there. Until we have reclaimed our democracy from the corporate elite who now dominate economy, the media and the political process, the point is moot, for we are stone-walled.</p>
<p>If we wish for justice, for peace, for environmental sanity, for human rights and constitutionally protected civil liberties, or for prosperity and well-being for all, then we must above all, and before anything else, reclaim our democracy: and in order to do that, the people will have to unite. </p>
<p>What has been said before is entirely and extremely relevant now: “We must all hang together, or assuredly, we shall all hang separately. United we stand, divided we fall.” (Benjamin Franklin) If the people do not unite, they will be unable to reclaim their democracy from the corporate elite who have usurped it; and if the people do not reclaim their democracy, then there will be an even darker time ahead for the people and for the world. These are the simple facts which we now face.</p>
<p>Reclaim democracy. Unite the people now.</p>
<p>JTR,<br />
October 6, 2011 </p>
<p>See: Writings of J. Todd Ring, on WordPress</p><div class="commentRating" style="padding: 8px 10px 0 10px; float: right;">What do you think? <img width=20 height=20 style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-132097" src="http://ww2.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_20_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('132097', 'add', 'www.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_20_'); ckRatingCkMarkUp('132097');" title="My thoughts exactly." /> <span id="karma-132097-up" style="font-size:13px; font-weight: 700; color:#009933;;">0</span>&nbsp;<img width=20 height=20 style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-132097" src="http://ww2.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_20_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('132097', 'subtract', 'www.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_20_'); ckRatingCkMarkDown('132097');" title="You got to be kidding." /> <span id="karma-132097-down" style="font-size:13px; font-weight: 700; color:#990033;">0</span></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: RH factor</title>
		<link>http://www.politicususa.com/bernie-sanders-occupy-wall-street.html#comment-131353</link>
		<dc:creator>RH factor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly why have left the Dem&#039;s not for any T-bagger pro-corporate anti-science wishy washy hand wringing play both sides republicans, but for more like Bernie Sanders, and even Howard Dean who is fiscally conservative but knows his subject matter and how to fight unlike our current crop of pussy cat Dem&#039;s]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly why have left the Dem&#8217;s not for any T-bagger pro-corporate anti-science wishy washy hand wringing play both sides republicans, but for more like Bernie Sanders, and even Howard Dean who is fiscally conservative but knows his subject matter and how to fight unlike our current crop of pussy cat Dem&#8217;s</p><div class="commentRating" style="padding: 8px 10px 0 10px; float: right;">What do you think? <img width=20 height=20 style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-131353" src="http://ww2.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_20_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('131353', 'add', 'www.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_20_'); ckRatingCkMarkUp('131353');" title="My thoughts exactly." /> <span id="karma-131353-up" style="font-size:13px; font-weight: 700; color:#009933;;">0</span>&nbsp;<img width=20 height=20 style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-131353" src="http://ww2.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_20_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('131353', 'subtract', 'www.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_20_'); ckRatingCkMarkDown('131353');" title="You got to be kidding." /> <span id="karma-131353-down" style="font-size:13px; font-weight: 700; color:#990033;">0</span></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: RH factor</title>
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		<dc:creator>RH factor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like status quo corprotocracy supporting dribble to me. We support you Bernie up here in VT. show the rest of world what a Vermont politician is like &quot;real, honest, and ass kicking toboot!! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like status quo corprotocracy supporting dribble to me. We support you Bernie up here in VT. show the rest of world what a Vermont politician is like &#8220;real, honest, and ass kicking toboot!! :)</p><div class="commentRating" style="padding: 8px 10px 0 10px; float: right;">What do you think? <img width=20 height=20 style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-131350" src="http://ww2.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_20_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('131350', 'add', 'www.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_20_'); ckRatingCkMarkUp('131350');" title="My thoughts exactly." /> <span id="karma-131350-up" style="font-size:13px; font-weight: 700; color:#009933;;">0</span>&nbsp;<img width=20 height=20 style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-131350" src="http://ww2.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_20_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('131350', 'subtract', 'www.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_20_'); ckRatingCkMarkDown('131350');" title="You got to be kidding." /> <span id="karma-131350-down" style="font-size:13px; font-weight: 700; color:#990033;">0</span></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eileen Slade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen Slade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 19:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bravo, Senator Sanders!  You are truly the only member of the Senate with the guts to speak out for the people!  What kind of Democratic Party leadership is there when none of you are coming out in support of the greatest expression of American freedom?  Who are you and what have you done with the Democratic Party?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Senator Sanders!  You are truly the only member of the Senate with the guts to speak out for the people!  What kind of Democratic Party leadership is there when none of you are coming out in support of the greatest expression of American freedom?  Who are you and what have you done with the Democratic Party?</p><div class="commentRating" style="padding: 8px 10px 0 10px; float: right;">What do you think? <img width=20 height=20 style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-131018" src="http://ww2.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_20_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('131018', 'add', 'www.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_20_'); ckRatingCkMarkUp('131018');" title="My thoughts exactly." /> <span id="karma-131018-up" style="font-size:13px; font-weight: 700; color:#009933;;">0</span>&nbsp;<img width=20 height=20 style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-131018" src="http://ww2.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_20_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('131018', 'subtract', 'www.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_20_'); ckRatingCkMarkDown('131018');" title="You got to be kidding." /> <span id="karma-131018-down" style="font-size:13px; font-weight: 700; color:#990033;">0</span></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Shiva (Moderator)</title>
		<link>http://www.politicususa.com/bernie-sanders-occupy-wall-street.html#comment-130682</link>
		<dc:creator>Shiva (Moderator)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 18:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I left this in as an example of complete irretrievable stupidity. This is Sunday and we all need a good laugh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left this in as an example of complete irretrievable stupidity. This is Sunday and we all need a good laugh</p><div class="commentRating" style="padding: 8px 10px 0 10px; float: right;">What do you think? <img width=20 height=20 style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-130682" src="http://ww2.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_20_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('130682', 'add', 'www.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_20_'); ckRatingCkMarkUp('130682');" title="My thoughts exactly." /> <span id="karma-130682-up" style="font-size:13px; font-weight: 700; color:#009933;;">0</span>&nbsp;<img width=20 height=20 style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-130682" src="http://ww2.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_20_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('130682', 'subtract', 'www.politicususa.com/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_20_'); ckRatingCkMarkDown('130682');" title="You got to be kidding." /> <span id="karma-130682-down" style="font-size:13px; font-weight: 700; color:#990033;">0</span></div>]]></content:encoded>
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