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John Boehner Pulls a Romney in Falling for Skewed Republican Poll
House Speaker John Boehner thinks Republicans can win the debt ceiling showdown, and he’s got a poll to prove it.
Huffington Post reported: “House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) told members that he was prepared to use the debt ceiling fight as leverage to get spending cuts. According to a source in the room, Boehner showed fellow lawmakers the results of a survey by the Winston Group, a GOP polling firm, which showed that 72 percent of Americans ‘agree any increase in the nation’s debt limit must be accompanied by spending cuts and reforms of a greater amount.’”
“Republican” internal polling should have been the first alarm. I read that poll, and even in a Republican internal, it clearly shows that the Republicans in Congress have higher unfavorables than the Democrats. They’re gerrymandered into safety, but on a national level, this means the public doesn’t approve of their behavior. Boehner ignores that part of the poll. Moving on.
The poll also shows that when it comes to voting, Americans don’t care about spending as much as they care about the economy and jobs. What have Republicans in Boehner’s House done about jobs and the economy? Nada, except trying to pass tax cuts for the rich/corporations off as a “jobs bill”. The poll also shows that the public trusts Democrats on the economy more right now than they do Republicans by 47-44%.
Another segment of the poll asks if the responder has heard anything about what Republicans are up to. The second highest responses was “They are blocking everything/not compromising” at 18%. Only the Fiscal Cliff eclipsed their failure to compromise, coming in at 48%.
Did the above (what you heard about Republicans are doing) make you see the Republicans as more or less favorable? 57% say LESS FAVAORABLE. Hello, Speaker Boehner. To be fair, 46% also found the Democrats less favorable after citing they heard about the fiscal cliff and raising taxes on the rich (note: the internal pollster wrote “rasie taxes/increase taxes on the rich” which could suggest that people conveniently might have believed that Democrats were raising taxes in general).
The poll shows that the majority said raising the retirement age for Medicare is unacceptable. The majority said reducing Social Security benefits for higher income individuals is acceptable. (This is not what Republicans mean by “reforming” Social Security so the poll does not justify their policy.) Eliminating the home mortgage deduction is not acceptable. (This was both Romney and Ryan’s plan. Cluing in yet, GOP?)
Another clue for Boehner; here is the ranking for what plan those polled approved re taxes (Yes, it’s Obama’s plan!):
1. Raising taxes on those making over a million dollars a year 33%
2. Raising taxes on those making over $250,000 a year 42%
3. Not raising taxes at all 23%
4. Don’t Know/Refused (DO NOT READ) 2%
Wow, okay so the public wasn’t with Republicans on the last fight, but their loss translates in their mind to a mandate to hold the debt ceiling hostage.
If an agreement is not reached, who do you blame more? (ROTATE)
1. President Obama and Democrats in Congress 36
2. Republicans in Congress 48
3. Don’t Know/Refused (DO NOT READ) 16
The second alarm is that even if 72% of the country is misinformed about how the debt ceiling functions (thanks to Republican messaging), it’s true that a majority of Americans always say they want to see cuts in spending. The problems come when you get specific. They don’t want cuts to their programs, just as Republicans (and some Democrats) always leave defense cuts off the table.
Even their own polling doesn’t justify their position in the way they claim it does. If I were a Republican strategist, I’d be warning them to stop believing their own selective interpretation of their own polling. Please, for the love of reality, STOP. It does not say what they think it says.
Here is how they explain the debt ceiling in the poll, “The debt ceiling for the nation is going to be reached at the end of December, meaning the country cannot borrow money to fund the government at its current level by the middle of February. Would you favor or oppose increasing the debt ceiling?” That makes it sound like by not raising the debt ceiling, the country won’t spend more. In reality, the debt ceiling covers money already spent by Congress via the laws it passed.
So we get to the part Boehner cherry picked (hey, if you’re fooling the public and you’re fooling yourself, what does that make you?):
Do you agree or disagree with the following statement? Any increase in the nation’s debt limit must be accompanied by spending cuts and reforms of a greater amount.
1. Agree 72
2. Disagree 22
3. Don’t Know/Refused (DO NOT READ) 6
Now, if Boehner was smart, he’d go back up to the part where they asked about spending cuts to specific programs. But no. Leaving it vague allows Republicans to sell the idea that the public backs them in their ideas.
The people they polled get their news (in descending order) from local TV, the daily newspaper, CNN and Fox. The largest demo group is age 55-65 in this poll. The largest group regarding income makes over 100k a year. Their responders were 73% white. The largest regional demo is the South. Seriously.
Are you getting the picture yet? This is the same demo Republicans always target and it’s how they got the 2012 election so wrong.
So, even in a poll targeting their own demo, they are still to blame and tax cuts for over 250 were still supported by the majority. Tent shrinkage alert.
Proving that they will never learn from their mistakes or take responsibility for their failures, Republicans still believe in their own interpretation of their own internal polling. You might think they at least learned that President Obama isn’t fooling when he gets stern with the children.
Obama warned Republicans, “I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that they’ve already racked up through the laws that they passed.” They ignore the warning at their own risk.
Please proceed, Speaker.
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Michael Humphrey
Jan. 4th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
You cannot reason with fools Sarah.
Adrian Howley
Jan. 4th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
We can only hope that the arrogant fools slide all the eay down the slippery slope they’ve created for themselves. Apparently they STILL refuse to see that America is on to them now!
Robert Chapman
Jan. 5th, 2013 at 11:43 am
There is an old political aphorism that applies here, “you can’t beat something with nothing.”
Progressives have to have something to offer. Endless social spending is not a good alternative.
Thinking through employment policies and pushing paths to work and good jobs is much, much better.
Even if such proposals for aggressive job creation die in the black hole of the GOP dominated House Rules committee, getting them out there into public consciousness is a step forward.
John B. Egan
Jan. 5th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
If it was just endless social spending that was the issue, you’d have a point. Social Security is funded through payroll taxes and its excess is spent by Congress. The same is true for a portion of Medicare. Nor is it just Democrats that spend on Social Programs. Bush Jr notably filled the Medicare ‘Donut Hole’…with no funding to support it for example. I think you’ve bought in to the ‘Conservative’ talking point that “Democrats Tax And Spend” There’s nothing wrong with Social Services.. There is everything wrong with spending 29.6% of our yearly budget on Defense while cutting support to those citizens you are supposed to be defending. There is also something very wrong with not fixing our outrageously expensive medical system (2X any other developed country) then complaining that it costs too much and arguing that people should have to bear a greater percentage of the costs or be disenfranchised because it’s unaffordable or ‘liberal social over-spending.’ Fix the problems, don’t screw the people.
sherrie heckendorn
Jan. 4th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
GOP (guardians of plutocracy) really seem to be unable to comprehend that very few Americans, (even a few fox news watchers) believe there rhetoric anymore. Hopefully, they will get the clue when they are all voted out of office in the next election
Robert Chapman
Jan. 5th, 2013 at 11:51 am
The prospect of the GOP House members being voted out next fall is a mixed blessing.
First the Dems have to have something in place, my personal favorite is a big jobs program. Not just infrastructure and other conventional government initiatives -though infrastructure is needed- but an agressive program to regain domestic market share and exports for US owned companies.
The prospect of the GOP House members being voted out next fall is also a mixed blessing, because many of those voted out will be replaced by TEA Party types who will reduces the number of GOP members of Congress who might support the Dems. The support of such GOP members of Congress is important in the Senate and critical in the House.
If Dems can change the terms of the conversation, and move it from the massive debt tsunami that is threatening in the middle term time horizon, and focus the debate on job creation, the Dems could regain control of the Congress.
Jobs are the number one issue in a country that is now focussed on domestic issues. The Dems have a remarkable opportunity now if they are able to come up with a national “jobs for everyone” initiative.
K from Bellingham
Jan. 4th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Like li’l Dodge’em cars…
aspromised
Jan. 4th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
I am very concerned that the GOP is already out in front on the messaging re what the Debt Ceiling is (I should say isn’t! ). We know, but we’re informed. Great article but preachingto the choir…..
djchefron
Jan. 4th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
A veteran hostage negotiator’s advice on handling the GOP
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 4th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
I expect so little from Boehner, the congress and the GOP that nothing surprises me.
Boehner has sean hannity genetics in him
Anne
Jan. 5th, 2013 at 4:26 am
The Congressional Republicans live in a self-imposed bubble, the same one Willard Romney lived in that prevented him from seeing his defeat coming last November. Besides, anyone can create a poll that produces desired results with leading questions and selective choosing of respondents.
Just the same, they are immersed in the kind of denial, self-deception, and desire to reap the personal benefits of “serving” in the very government they claim is the problem. Why anyone would vote for someone with that kind of mindset is beyond me. What’s even worse is that these Republicans have no problems with defense spending or exorbitant tax cuts for the wealthy. Yet, they balk at spending for social services, which in the long run save money.
Robert Chapman
Jan. 5th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Anne, with all respect, the GOP don’t live in a bubble.
Most of the rank and file Republicans I meet and I think survey research will confirm this, are people who hold jobs, own homes and are very steady and self-sufficient. Many are struggling really hard to maintain their self-sufficieny.
The rank and file Republicans tend to see devolution or decentralization in government as a way to keep taxes low, provide effective governmental services, keep government small and maintain control over government initiatives.
When the private sector is strong and creates jobs, investment opportunities and good saving and borrowing conditions the GOP model works very well.
However, Americans cannot compete with foreigners for low and midlle skilled jobs. We simply demand too much compensation for such jobs and companies are moving them elsewhere.
We need to restore our manufacturing base, but that will not bring back jobs as those plants will have to be highly automated to compete with low cost human workers abroad.
What the restoration of manufacturing can do to restore good jobs is to create the demand for BUSINESS SERVICES that cater to the manufacturers.
Regaining manufacturing and helping to create BUSINESS SERVICE jobs are goals the Democrats could commit themselves to.
Devising policies to implement the goals of regaining manufacturing and creating BUSINESS SERVICE jobs would give the Dems the platform to beat the GOP in 2014 despite the gerrymandering they put in place in 2011.
Anne
Jan. 5th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
You know as well as I do that the CONGRESSIONAL Republicans (whom my post specifically referred to)
have been engaging in enormously destructive obstructionism that has hurt large numbers of Americans. And, yes, they DO live in a bubble of their own making. Instead of creating the jobs that they promised to do when elected in 2010, they set about working to impose their RWNJ version of social engineering. Defunding Planned Parenthood, trying to get rid of regulations that protect folks, lying about the country’s being “broke” while they try to further decrease the taxes on the wealthy, increase defense funding, and make unnecessary draconian cuts on social services were part of a losing ideology in the presidential election. As for your saying that most Republicans you know work, I’m not sure what your point was in alluding to them–since I wasn’t talking about them anyway. Most people I know, regardless of their political affiliation, are working, productive citizens. I agree with many of your points about growing the economy, and that the tax cutting based on the trickle down theory have been a miserable failure. But my point about their residence in a delusional bubble stands.
Inez
Jan. 5th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Talking about overseas assault on American jobs, China is the biggest offender of poor quality products Remember the lead in toys and household items?. Just recently I purchased an 8 qt. porcelin lined iron pot(Not La Crusea) there were lumps of iron around the pot and on the lid. One side of the pot was rippled for about 2″. I called the vendor and they told me that this pot was made by hand.(HUH?) It must have weighted 8 lbs. I returned the pot, concerned that the iron would lumps break off entering the cooking matter.Damn, let’s get our goods MADE IN AMERICA! Of course, the price was lower, as was the quality. This American vendor was possibly getting asubsidy for outsourcing.
Robert Chapman
Jan. 5th, 2013 at 11:26 am
Mr. Boehner keeps saying the American people support federal spending cuts. This may or may not be so, but has the Speaker given any thought to the effects such spending cuts would have on the US economy?
The US economy still has not recovered from the effects of the 2008-09 recession to any appreciable degree.
To understand why the US economy has not recovered one might consider the high degree to which it is driven by consumer spending. Consumer spending as we are constantly reminded by the media accounts for the lion’s share of the US economy.
Consumer spending has not rebounded from the recession for two big reasons: residential real estate continues to lose value and household incomes continue to stagnate.
The US has definitely become two nations: one nation is wealthy and comprises, Tom Wolfe’s MASTERS of the UNIVERSE. This is the two per cent. Their resodences have appreciated and their incomes are rising. The Masters of the Universe are doing well enough that their prosperity skews the statistics. They make so much money, the whole US economy looks better.
For the most of us, our houses are our most valuable asset and in our neighborhoods, real estate prices dropped and are, at best, just beginning to recover.
For most of us, raises have been few, far between and paltry. My wife goes on a web site occasionally that tracks inflation. It tells her what her current salary would be worth compared to prices in earlier decades. Her progress as a manager in an important department of a major university is a bit disheartening. She possesses a BBA from a very respected business department.
I am dwelling on her a bit bacause as a woman in a male dominated field, with a BBA and minor in computers, a good track record at companies like IBM, she should be blazing down the career track. Yet the reality is quite different.
Robert Chapman
Jan. 5th, 2013 at 11:37 am
If the government were to reduce spending, who would take up the slack? Where in the private sector is there a dynamic industry that would take up the slack of government spending.
If we cut extended unemployment insurance, will people go flocking back to highly remunerative jobs, refreshed from their tax paid vacation?
Or with the cut off of unemployment insurance, will the beneficiaries go back to low paying dead jobs and a permanent diminution in their earning power, career prospects and tax paying potential?
One can go do the list of every government social spending program and apply the same test, without this benefit would people spend more money or less?
I would wager, not $10,000, but something, that every dollar of reduced federal social spending would a dollar reduction of the US GDP.
In other words, Boehner’s proposed cuts in spending are cuts in the US economy.
Until and unless the GOP can tell us precisely which industry or economic sector is going to grow and offset the spending cuts, deficit reduction should come from the revenue side and not the spending side.
Conversely, Obama and the progressives should start thinking of ways to get the government actively engaged in growing jobs and helping US industry become more competitive.
Tax cuts have been tried and failed miserably.
It is time for us to start thinking of economic policies and intitiatives the government could get into, from the provision of quality rental housing, to renewable energy, to urban revitalization that would grow the economy, increase employment, help people become contributors and independent in their economic lives.
momachu
Jan. 5th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
What a GOP Congressman means by “spending” is totally different than what I mean by “spending”. They mean Social Security and Medicare. I mean things like bridges to nowhere, $500 toilet seats and research projects to measure cow farts! They need to specify what they mean in their surveys!! They will probably get a totally different result.
djchefron
Jan. 5th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Hey now,leave the cow farts out of this.You do know they are one of the main causes of methane in the atmosphere which contribute to climate change.