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Bryan Fischer is Wrong – Jesus Would Occupy Wall Street
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Bryan Fischer is at it again, asking the question on his blog yesterday, “Would Jesus occupy Wall Street?” His answer is, “Not on your life” and his reasons are as fatuous and poorly reasoned as everything else he has ever said. What got him going was a question by a CNN reporter:[1]
A CNN anchor asked earlier this week whether or not Jesus would occupy Wall Street.
That question can be answered with a categorical “No.”
First, Jesus has no truck with rank, blatant hypocrites. The OWS crowd has now fallen to squabbling over who gets a slice of the $500,000 which has been donated to them, and which, by the way, they put in one of the evil, greedy banks they are out to destroy.
And the OWS crowd is thinking about incorporating! In other words, they’re about to become one of the evil corporations they claim to detest, as the Occupy Portland folks have already done.
And they’re royally hacked off at the vagrant homeless types trying to cadge free food from them. They’re going to feed them brown rice gruel this weekend instead of spaghetti bolognese to show them the depths of their compassion for the poor and downtrodden. No more soup for you!
So all of sudden that sharing the wealth business has lost its appeal. They’re tired of people freeloading off of them and taking advantage of them. To which we say, welcome to our world. Now you know why we have lost patience with all of liberalism and the entire welfare system.
So the OWSers want the greedy, evil corporations to share the wealth with them, but they don’t want to share their wealth with anybody, especially with the poor and needy flooding into their squatters’ camps. I’m sure Jesus would be happy to address the OWS crowd, and he’d probably begin his remarks with the scathing use of the word “hypocrites.”
Secondly, Jesus has no truck with those whose entire agenda is to flagrantly disobey two of the Ten Commandments of God.
God said, “Thou shalt not steal,” a commandment Jesus affirmed on numerous occasions. Stealing is wrong, and it doesn’t make it right when government does it under color of law.
But the OWS crowd wants to use the coercive power of government to take resources from some and involuntarily redistribute it to others. Namely, them. When government confiscates wealth by force from some citizens and transfers that wealth to others, that’s not welfare and it’s not compassion. It is nothing less than legalized plunder.
Jesus teaches the redistribution of wealth – as long as the transfer is voluntary. But he is adamantly opposed to the involuntary redistribution of wealth, because that violates the moral law of God and is profoundly wrong. His words to take care of the poor are not addressed to government, they are addressed to us.
And the OWS crowd is animated by a thoroughly ugly disregard for the 10th Commandment as well. God says, “Thou shalt not covet…any thing that is thy neighbor’s.” And yet the Occupiers are driven by a dark, bitter, resentful, angry and acquisitive greed for stuff that belongs to other people.
I submit that no political program that is predicated on a violation of twenty percent of God’s moral law can possibly be right, can possibly work, or can possibly be good for America.
Jesus took a whip to the thieves and the covetous in his day. If he were to come back and do the same thing today, he just might start in Zuccotti Park.
In other words, he might occupy Wall Street after all.
There will be no explanation forthcoming from Bryan Fischer as to why James the Just and his followers held “all things in common. As related in Acts, “no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common…there was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold…and it was distributed to each as any had need” (Acts 4:32-35).[2]
Today’s fundamentalists hate the idea of a Jesus who actually cared about people, particularly about the poor and oppressed; they seethe at any suggestion of a Jesus concerned with issues of social justice. The Jesus of Bryan Fischer and his fellow fundamentalists, though he was a penniless Galilean peasant who lived a communal lifestyle with his disciples, seems paradoxically to have loved the rich and to have promoted the existing power structure.
Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. Jesus was the ultimate redistributor of wealth and it is impossible to conceive of Jesus finding in favor of the Wall Street tycoons, or of a 1% that treats the 99% like the priestly aristocracy of his own country treated peasants like him. He despised the power structure of his day. And he was very, very, concerned by the plight of the underprivileged and oppressed. They were, he said, the people who would inherit the kingdom of God, while camels would fly through eyes of needles before rich men found salvation.
Worse yet, Jesus particularly cared for women – yes, the same gender who have become the ultimate enemy of Christian fundamentalism.
Bart Ehrman cites a few examples:
Jesus does speak with women in public and instructs them one on one (something unusual for a reputed teacher; see the independent traditions in Mark 7:27-28; John 4:7-26; 11:20-27); he urges at least one woman to be more concerned with hearing his teaching than doing womanly duties about the house (Luke 10:38-42); he publicly praises one for an act of kindness (Mark 14:6-9); and so on…women were clearly a central part of his mission.[3]
And the poor? Read the Beatitudes. Who gets the Kingdom of God? The short answer is, the same people to whom Jesus preached his gospel: the poor (Matt. 11:15; Luke 7:22): “In this manifesto,” writes Geza Vermes, “admittance into the Kingdom is promised to the poor, the hungry and the thirsty for justice, the generous and merciful, the irenic, those who are prepared to sacrifice everything.”[4] The first shall be last – the folks at the top of what Ehrman calls the “socio-politico-economic heap” would trade places with those above them.[5]
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted;
Blessed are those who are meek, for they will inherit the earth;
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied (Matt. 5:3-6)
For Luke, Jesus actually says, “blessed are you who are poor” and Luke’s Jesus speaks of those who “hunger and thirst”.
Not only that, but Luke’s Jesus says something wholly reprehensible in the eyes of Bryan Fischer, and it’s no wonder he refuses to repeat it:
But woe to you who are wealthy, for you have your comfort (now); woe to you who are full now, for you will go hungry. Woe to you who are rejoicing now, for you will mourn and weep. And woe when everyone speaks well of you; for so too did your ancestors treat the false prophets (Luke 6:24-26).
Ouch. Jesus didn’t like rich people much at all.
“For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and those who are humble shall be exalted” (Luke 18:14; Mark 23:12) are words he repeated in one form or another again and again: “whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted” (Luke 14:11) and “Whoever humbles himself as this small child, this is the one who is great in the Kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 18:4). Are we to believe Jesus said this again and again and mean none of it; meant, in fact, the opposite? That is what Bryan Fischer would have you believe.
Jesus said, “Children, how hard is it to enter the kingdom of God? It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” (Mark 10:34-35; Matt. 19:24-25; Luke 18:25). The words and the meaning behind them left Jesus’ listeners in no doubt as to what he meant, and at whom his disapproval was directed. Yes, Jesus would Occupy Wall Street, but it is the bankers who would feel the wrath he visited upon the moneylenders in the Temple, not the poor and oppressed gathered outside seeking justice.
[1] On Wednesday, 10/26, “CNN Newsroom,” Washington, D.C.-based CNN contributor Carol Costello.
[2] See the discussion in Geza Vermes, The Changing Faces of Jesus (Penguin, 2002), 44.
[3] Bart D. Ehrman, Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium (Oxford, 1999), 175-176
[4] Geza Vermes, The Authentic Gospel of Jesus (Penguin, 2003), 410
[5] Ehrman (1999), 148
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Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 29th, 2011 at 9:12 am
I get the distinct feeling that there must have been at least 2 jesus’s. One, that Fischer follows existed entirely in the old testament, and one that stood for the poor and downtrodden in the new testament.
You have to ask yourself which jesus Fischer is expecting to show up on the fateful day. The same for the southern baptists and the NAR
I have a feeling that had a jesus existed, he would have embraced those who fought for the equality that OWS stands for.
A Walkaway
Oct. 29th, 2011 at 11:08 am
It’s accepted by scholars that Jesus existed, as there are a few sources outside of Christianity that mention him. I’m aware of three that I’ve read about, maybe more. At least a couple were Roman documents. There is at least as much evidence for Jesus’ existence as there is for Buddha, or several other historic figures. There is far more evidence for Jesus’ existence than for others such as Moses (who is generally accepted as having existed, although science disproves a literal reading of that part of the OT).
As to the old testament, I’ve been trying to find something I read sometime back. Someone counted all of the lines of scripture blasting the rich/powerful for their treatment of the poor, and calling for justice for the poor. There were thousands in the Bible, and the old testament is loaded with them. Sadly, the best I’ve found so far was listing several hundred passages regarding treating the poor with kindness, dignity, and justice and calling for economic justice for the poor. Economic justice was central to much of the Bible and the words of the prophets.
I personally like to use the old testament scripture about the sin of Sodom… it wasn’t sexual. Ezekiel 16:49 “Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.” People who rant and rave about Sodom and Gomorrah usually hate having that thrown at them. It also really rattles people who preach hatred for LGBT people… as they also usually promote greed.
clarence swinney
Oct. 29th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Jesus Christ’ number one sermon was on INEQUALITY
Where are the Ministers of America?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ GOT THEIR TONGUES?????
Here is genuine Inequality
10% own 70% Net Wealth–80% own 15%
10% own 70% Financial Wealth–80% own 7%
10% get 50% Individual Income–50% get 13%
70/15 70/7 50/13 190/35 is Inequality
PASTORS AWAKEN BEFORE THE REVOLUTION
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Larke Bryson
Oct. 29th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Let’s be honest, the majority of Christians never make the effort to read the entire Bible, most rely on the carefully selected, three year cycle of passages spoon-fed them at Sunday services. And many, many Christians only listen to the passages that relate directly to their comfort and ease, and the “Jesus wants you to be prosperous” claptrap coming out of the various TV evangelical program’s that aren’t typically spewing hatred and intolerance of “the other”. Jesus was the last person to teach personal wealth, unless you count the admonitions to share one’s wealth with others In need. But by not reading the Bible for themselves, the people who claim to be Christians have allowed the teachings to be edited by leaders of reprehensible character.
This penchant for being told what to believe and who they should hate is what has gotten the Christian faith to the pit in which it resides today. The teachings of the Christ were wonderful, he taught love, equality and justice, but the “church” has missed the plot altogether.
Sue in Minnesota
Oct. 29th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Jesus was a Liberal.
Rap Tor
Oct. 29th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Jesus wasn’t a liberal. Jesus was a RADICAL.
It’s interesting how people like to attach labels like LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE or CHRISTIAN to Jesus in order to make us feel better about what we actually tolerate in our own lives. About how we will condone the things that we do to one another and how we treat each other.
Jesus’ message was and is a spiritual message and his message can be difficult to understand by those who do not appreciate that fact. Understanding is an important reason why the meaning of his words are so misunderstood and distorted at times. His words are particularly distorted by the clergy who, like it or not, have their own agenda.
The things today’s liberals dish out amongst each other would never be tolerated by Jesus. Nor would he tolerate the things today’s conservatives dish out in his name. But Jesus understands the nature of man, just as he understands the spirit of man.
Don’t label him. Learn him.
The more you learn about Jesus the easier it becomes to distinguish what is spiritual about his word and what is not. What is truth and what is fable. What matters and what does not.
No matter how long it personally takes, you will be better for it.
trekie701
Oct. 29th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
I hardly think Jesus would support the greedy. Fischer is redesigning Jesus in order to appeal to narrow-minded Americans, especially in the South.
Rap Tor
Oct. 29th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Again we waste time on this sick distorted SOB. Bryan Fischer is a racist mental case with a microphone whose logic and lies are as bad as Limbaugh. His only appeal is to the ignorant or the weak minded. Fischer’s LOGIC usually goes something like this: “God hates Atheists = Atheists hate God = Nazis hate God = Nazis are Atheists = Nazis are Socialists = Nazis are Gay = Gays are Nazis = Gays are Commies = Commies hate America = Atheists hate America = Nazis hate America = Islamic fundamentalists hate America = Gays love Obama = Obama loves Gays = Obama is a Gay Loving Communist Nazi Atheistic Socialist Islamic fundamentalist who hates God and America”
(and born in Kenya).
SinghX
Oct. 29th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
I agreed…we’re wasting our time trying to disprove his lies. His lies are a form of mental violence; lies are the single most prevalent form of emotional or mental violence being used on Americans today.
Mental or emotional violence of this caliber is used as a “means to an end”–it’s a predatory attack on the truth/facts at any cost It is a combative stance that uses lies as a superior weapon to take advantage, threaten, harm another with the aim of taking away something–your voice, your right to think, choice, free will, in order to deprive you of dignity by denying facts and truth. All lies are about disrespect, depriving people one way or the other; it is a form of crime. Think about it; every dishonest contract, con job, molestation of an innocent child is based upon a lie.
The lies that come out of this horrible monsters’ mouth have a message for all considered non-believers; the truth is invalid, you are all worthless; you don’t have rights because I say so via my interpretation of a book (plenty of evidence in his rants on LBGT people, women, etc).
The best way to damage, snuff this monster out of it’s miserable existence is to make it “irrelevant” or “unpopular”. For a creature like Fisher, not allowing him to dominate any interchanges, show him to be of no importance, present him as an object with no meaning, and prove he has no significance will shatter his ennie-weenie-pee-pee-ego.
His self-importance lust for violating others through lies will whither into a whimpering lonely, evil little man if we make him irrelevant…
We don’t tolerate a physically violent people, and, we don’t have to tolerate/permit Fishers “lair’s tool box” to dismantle a world that is moving toward more and more social justice, equality and personal sovereignty.
Mad =^..^=
Oct. 29th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
I can see him taking the whip to the NYSE floor now…
Ray Engvaldsen
Oct. 29th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
The money changers profited greatly from the exchange rates that they charged worshipers for shekels to pay the priests, and then from the priests to convert it back into Roman money – they were “cashing in” from both ends. They also profited exorbitantly from loans that they made – with interest rates up to 300 per cent. While there is nothing wrong with capitalism, or providing a useful and convenient banking service, these particular “bankers” were greedy profiteers who cared nothing about using God’s Temple, and His worshipers, as a means to get rich.♦♦♦♦ They sound very much like the thieves who earn a living rubbing money together today
Bishop Andrew Gentry
Oct. 29th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Jesus as it has been observed is a verb not a noun. Jesus is a Socialist. He is not an American especially an American capitalist thanks be to God! Jesus reserved his few condemnations for the religious leaders who sleep with power and capitol and his disciples are warned in a very specific parable about confusing faith with religion!
Tina
Oct. 30th, 2011 at 5:45 am
The Jesus I know and read about in the bible surely would be marching with the OWS crowd.As a matter of fact,he would be leading them.
Rick Shreiner
Oct. 30th, 2011 at 6:16 am
Bryan Fischer is a CINO, through and through.