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5 Reasons To Be Glad That You Didn’t Watch the CBS News Debate
Michele Bachmann uses a foreign policy debate to declare that America should be like China and not have food stamps, Social Security, and Medicare along with four other reasons to be glad you missed the CBS News Republican debate.
1). Everybody But Ron Paul Wants War With Iran- It was the first question of the debate. Herman Cain was asked about Iran, and his answer was energy independence, a.k.a. drill, baby drill. Mitt Romney called Iran Obama’s biggest failure, and believes that Obama should have built a “credible threat” of military action against Iran. Gingrich would assassinate Iranian scientists through covert action, and in general everyone on that stage who answered the question and wasn’t named Ron Paul was in favor of war with Iran.
2). Michele Bachmann Predicts Worldwide Nuclear War Against Israel – With absolutely no evidence to support her conspiracy theory, Michele Bachmann predicted that there will be worldwide nuclear war against Israel. Bachmann also claimed that Obama will stand with Occupy Wall Street, but not Israel. (Toot-Toot. Look out everybody, the Crazy Eyes Express has gone totally off its rails).
3). Newt Gingrich Confirms That The GOP Has Agreed Not To Attack Each Other- Gingrich was asked about criticisms of Romney that he made during a radio show yesterday, and he refused to talk about them today. His reasoning was yesterday I was on a radio show, but today I am at a debate. In Republican Land every one of these candidates can defeat Obama, so what has long been suspected really is true. The Republican candidates seem to have agreed not to attack each other during the debates. (If this is the case they should gift wrap the nomination, and hand it to Romney now).
4). Herman Cain Wants To Bring Back Torture – In response to a question from a Vietnam vet who opposes torture, Herman Cain said that he would bring back torture, but only if we call it enhanced interrogation techniques. Michele Bachmann took it to another level and promised to bring back waterboarding because Obama wants to the lose the War on Terror. Ron Paul pointed out that torture is illegal and the Republican audience got sour and quiet. Jon Huntsman said waterboarding is torture. Sadly, these two voices of sanity were outnumbered on stage by candidates who want to return us the ‘Good ol’ days’ of George W. Bush.
5). Michele Bachmann Wants To Turn America Into China- Seriously, Bachmann used China as a role model to claim that the Chinese don’t have Social Security, Medicare, or food stamps. Bachmann wants to compete with the Chinese by turning America’s poor and elderly into starving peasants.
Winners and Losers:
Winners:
1). Mitt Romney - As long as his opponents refuse to challenge him, Mitt Romney will continue to skate by in these debates by running a general election campaign against Obama during the primary season. The question is, will his Obama bashing get stale by the time he gets to the fall campaign?
2). Ron Paul - For Republicans who don’t yearn for a return to the Bush administration, there was Ron Paul. At times, Paul and Huntsman were the only two candidates on the stage who argued for a common sense foreign policy that wasn’t based on appealing to the blood lust of the debate audience. Paul always shines most when he can separate himself from the pack, and on foreign policy Ron Paul stands alone in the GOP.
3). Newt Gingrich - The polling is all over the place, but when the eventual Herman Cain collapse comes, Gingrich stands to benefit. Like Cain, Gingrich has got the art of delivering cheap applause lines down to a science.
4). Rick Perry – My, oh, my look at what happens when a candidate actually studies for a debate. Perry scored big with his all foreign aid starts at zero. Perry had a few days to prepare his jokes about his debate meltdown earlier in the week and he pulled it off well. Perry is still most likely doomed, but he rebounded well tonight.
Losers:
1). Herman Cain - Herb was way out of his league. Everyone else on that stage was better prepared than Cain, and it showed. Cain did nothing to dispel the impression that he is 2012′s Sarah Palin. I also wonder if the amount of time Cain is spending on his sexual harassment scandal is taking its toll.
2). Jon Huntsman – Huntsman made a joke about it being lonely down here in Siberia. That is really all you need to know about how much he was involved in this debate. Huntsman gave great answers on foreign policy, but he is a Republican from another era, and he has no place in the current GOP. His support of the Ryan plan means that Democrats will dislike him just as much as Republicans do.
3). Michele Bachmann - Bachmann was another candidate who has become an afterthought. How low has Bachmann fallen? She was reduced to attacking Ron Paul for in her eyes not supporting the death of Bin Laden. Bachmann’s attack on Paul backfired on her as he turned the tables on her with his reply. She was desperate and pulling out the full crazy with the worldwide nuclear attack on Israel, and her desire to emulate China. Bachmann is just playing out the string until she quits after she loses Iowa.
4). Rick Santorum - Nothing to see here. As with all the other lower tier candidates, Santorum got a bit of airtime early on then was never really seen again. Rick Santorum isn’t presidential material. If was smart, he would quit now. But as we in Pennsylvania know from personal experience, Rick Santorum is not smart so off to Iowa he goes.
Verdict: The dullness continues. Debates can be intellectually stimulating without candidates attacking each other, but when all the candidates have few or no ideas, these debates are nearly coma inducing. Six of the eight Republican candidates all promised a return to the policies of George W. Bush. The two that didn’t (Paul and Huntsman) have no chance of winning. Apparently, the policy of the 2012 candidates for GOP nomination is the same as their domestic policy. When all else fails, bash Obama. None of these candidates looked presidential, and having Lindsey Graham and Jim DeMint toss softballs at them, didn’t help. This debate was so bad that CBS shipped it off to the Internet for the last 30 minutes. An informed electorate is vital, but CBS made the correct and compassionate call by making the hurting stop.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
1 it is hilarious they all want war with Iran and know the people are totally over any more wars. Stupidity becomes the GOP
2. But…its IN THE BIBLE! Israel must defeat the universe!
3 no attacks produces lame debates
4 The usual insanity
5. Bachmann is a true christian, starve em after they cant put money in the coffers for war
I think Herman is spending too much time on his book signing tour myself. Ron Paul was slightly sane, but is out of touch in my view.
Ron Paul guy
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Ron Paul is out of touch with your views? Your views have gotten us into this mess our country is in. He is the only logical one up there. Enjoy your war with Iran!
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
No, Bush got us into this mess, not Obama. Sorry.
I am not sure why you think I want a war with Iran, the GOP does not me. I am against it. Had you read #1 you would have figured that out.
You do not know what Paul stands for. He is not the libertarian you think he is. As president he is one of the 3 people up there that may be viable, but he is also the scariest
Dennis
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 12:10 am
Thank you, Shiva! I’m glad there is someone else worried about Paul and realizing he is not as Libertarian as he would like people to believe. I’m not worried about most of the candidates because they’re obviously crazy and the people will see that. Paul’s level of craziness is harder to spot and, if he happens to get the nom, he may just get in and God help us all.
Critic46
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Ron Paul is an anarchist. He has been successful appealing to those who are wealthy enough to weather any storm (They’ve got theirs, so f**k you!) or persons who are willing to go back to the days of Jeremiah Johnson – total independence from the influence of anyone else. In either event, Paul’s concept of existence does not exist in the real world.
Godhi Dagr Gyldir
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 11:44 am
OH No his level of insanity is quit clear, he is playing off the absolutely ridiculous talking points and paranoid delusions and giving the audience what he sees they want to hear. He is literally taking the WWE standpoint on his face time and playing to the crowd and if he gets into the office he will turn into the president who would be king and will be the nero to our rome. These other yahoo’s are so clinically insane no way would they get voted in I mean come on everyone wants to holler that obama is a socialist well if that is the case Bachmann is a Communist I mean using one of the most oppressive governments on the planet as well as the last true bastion of old school communism as a model of what this country is supposed to be. They are all playing the crazy card to heard the people toward the puppet they want placed in office the problem is I cannot really tell if it Paul or Romney they are trying to push through the cracks.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Paul has no basis in fact to be closing all the government agencys. Each on that either helps or protects the people of this country. The stupidity of people who think their taxes will go down by closing agencys is misleading themselves. Taxes wont go down, they will be used for war and other uses that do NOT benefit the people.
Reynardine
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
I guess there is only so much BS CBS wants you to C.
TJKENNEDY
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 6:46 am
right! thats why we all know fox is the only truthful station to watch
they never lie,what a bunch of mularkey
paulabflat
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 9:51 am
must be that “mercy rule” jon stewart was talking about the other night.
Nobody Special
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
How can they call it a debate when all the opponents agree with each other
SinghX
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 8:42 am
It’s air time…time for sponsors to sell things…time for that good old fascist “minute of hate”…time taken from the lives of people who could be doing something more important, like educating themselves or playing a board game with their children or learning a new skill or volunteering to help other…
We tried to watch and make it a ‘drinking game’ but Newt was such a prick, Huntsman was the only articulate grounded person up there, and the rest look like painted up whores for sale, that it was too painful to even get a few laughs with a little wine…I think I’ll just stick to waiting for Jason’s analysis as he’s usually right on the money.
Sorry Jason. You picked the short straw.
We’re all counting on you…good luck!
Dusty
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Let’s see Bachmann wants to emulate China’s no food stamps, SS or Medicare so does that mean she also supports China’s governmental control on family size and internet access? Because you just can’t have one without the other.
Good job Jason and Sarah.
Rudy Gonzales
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
The cookie-cutter set, patted each other on the back and didn’t go after each other in tonight’s South Carolina debate, but circled their own wagons and spoke their own stump speeches! They all mentioned president Obama again and again, there fore president Obama won this so-called debate! The mimicking of Paul Ryan’s manifesto, by Romney in cutting back on expenses at the expense of American’s is tantamount to allowing the fox to guard the hen house. The same goes for Huntsman who hemmied-and-hawed the same rhetoric. Newt seemed more presidential but again fell through when he blasted president Obama repeatedly, which again pointed to the president’s winning the night! Paul seemed reserved as he was kept form flowing his usual speech. Newton and Perry both spoke the “Reagan” as if to bless themselves with the mentioning of his name. Santorum, Bachmann and Cain didn’t make any new inroads into the way their “Presidency” would run and they stalled themselves with wordage in an effort seem knowledgeable. All-in-all they didn’t change my mind with tonight’s Tet-a-Tet. None will get the title of “Commander-in-Chief” as they are too full of themselves. Huntsman was the most flagrant of the bunch when he sucked up to DeMint. All eight fell on their faces and tonight Perry did not have that “Deer in the head lights” look!
chris
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
What about Ron Paul?
J
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 7:13 am
He’s different but he’s no better. In fact in many ways he’s worse than some of the other GOP candidates because his vision is a more extreme version of “Your on your own”
SinghX
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 8:45 am
…you left out his trademark line…
“Theoretically” or “Hypothetically”…he never has solid evidence of his so-called plans working.
Boscoe
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 10:12 am
How could he? You’re talking about someone so lost to reality that he actually believes eliminating laws and regulations on corporations would cause them to become MORE honest and ethical!
He has to be a nitwit with zero knowledge of history to believe in something that stupid.
JayM
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Is Ron Paul A White Supremacist? Absolutely!
Ron Paul is a hard core racist. This is a known but little reported fact. He has published a newsletter for over thirty years that puts forth a steady stream of stunning racism:
Paul’s alliance with neo-Confederates helps explain the views his newsletters have long espoused on race. Take, for instance, a special issue of the Ron Paul Political Report,published in June 1992, dedicated to explaining the Los Angeles riots of that year. “Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began,” read one typical passage. According to the newsletter, the looting was a natural byproduct of government indulging the black community with “‘civil rights,’ quotas, mandated hiring preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black tv shows, black tv anchors, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.” It also denounced “the media” for believing that “America’s number one need is an unlimited white checking account for underclass blacks.”…
“Oh, but that was just ONE article at a very emotional time for the country!” you say?
This “Special Issue on Racial Terrorism” was hardly the first time one of Paul’s publications had raised these topics. As early as December 1989, a section of hisInvestment Letter, titled “What To Expect for the 1990s,” predicted that “Racial Violence Will Fill Our Cities” because “mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white ‘haves.’” Two months later, a newsletter warned of “The Coming Race War,” and, in November 1990, an item advised readers, “If you live in a major city, and can leave, do so. If not, but you can have a rural retreat, for investment and refuge, buy it.” In June 1991, an entry on racial disturbances in Washington, DC’s Adams Morgan neighborhood was titled, “Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo.” “This is only the first skirmish in the race war of the 1990s,” the newsletter predicted. In an October 1992 item about urban crime, the newsletter’s author–presumably Paul–wrote, “I’ve urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming.” That same year, a newsletter described the aftermath of a basketball game in which “blacks poured into the streets of Chicago in celebration. How to celebrate? How else? They broke the windows of stores to loot.” The newsletter inveighed against liberals who “want to keep white America from taking action against black crime and welfare,” adding, “Jury verdicts, basketball games, and even music are enough to set off black rage, it seems.”
Well, how about that? It seems like Mr. Paul’s publication has a long history of really nasty racism.
“But he says he never wrote those articles and did not realize what was going into the newsletter…” you say?
You’re right! He does say that! Dozens of racist articles over several years and somehow nobody ever mentioned it to him? That’s his excuse? Spare me! That’s about as plausible as Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin converting to Islam and donning burkas.
Ray Medeiros
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
These Republicans will add the the national debt to fight IRAN but will not even pass the jobs bill that is PAID FOR! You can’t make this stuff up!
Jo-Anna
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Michele Bachmann wants the US to be like China. DId she forget that China is a Communist country? I guess Michele is really just another commie pinko rat.
Oldsun
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
The problem here is that China has social safety nets stronger than in the US and free public healthcare, not only is Bachmann insane and stupid but also jsut plain wrong.
J
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 7:10 am
I think you mean Hong Kong. Mainland China has no safety net and no fre healthcare. Same country, but two different styles of governance and quality of life.
Oldsun
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Ahhh NO in 1999 mainland China started a program for the elderly and poor in 2004 China changed in policy to add more to it and included free health care for all. China started in 1997 to go from an enterprise insurance program for the elderly to a state run system like our Social Security the first state run check went out Jan 1st 2011 as the first money collected for this was on Feb. 15 2010. The set regs were put into place Jan. 2010. Free (ok you have to pay 10 Yuan per visit and they only cover 30% of specialists) but everyone can see a doctor that was put into place in 2005. Again the point is still China treats it citizens better than we do, and that is a shame.
Dave
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
And the Jokefest continues….and on national television! Thank you CBS!!! OBAMA 2012!!!
Mike Ghouse
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
EMBARASSING PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE TONITE
Rather than who has plans to bring lasting peace and prosperity to the World, Security to Israel and
Justice to the Palestinians, the candidates will be vying for kissing Israel; who does the most. Who is
bent on destruction and bombing others? Ultimately it amounts to screwing both Israelis and Americans. How long can they dupe the Israeli and Americans?
Has this policy been good to any one so far?
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A FEW NOTES MADE RIGHT AFTER THE DEBATE
Romney is the tortoise in the equation
Hunstsman is viable, may be the best candidate
Perry will survive for another bout
Perry dared Israel, AIPAC will get him
Paul was sidelined, shame on them
Santorum was good on Iran and that was about it
Bachman should not be there and use up the time
Cain had too generic a conversation that any one can do
Perry resorted to rhetoric.. unti I die words
I am a republican and do not relate with Bachman, Santorum, Perry, Cain, and I forgot, Gingrich too. They beleive in torture, bombing and bullying and seem to be sadistic. That is not a Republican value, but a right wing phenomenon.
Israel needs genuine security and not the duplicity of these candidates. Their policies have not brought security, and if followed, it will push Israel further deep into isolation and insecurities. to be friends is to find the path and not appeasement that is a pediment.
I am at this time leaning towards Romney, but would like to see Huntsman there.
Mike Ghouse
Committed to a cohesive America
www.MikeGhouse.net
Boscoe
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 10:15 am
WHat is this shit? Self-promo theatre? Take a hike.
Reynardine
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 10:46 am
The debate, I am told by someone who saw it and has serious gastric disturbances today, was more like en- bare- assing.
Sally
Nov. 12th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
Just when you think they can’t sound any dumber…”foreign aid will start at zero.’ Uh huh. The COngress can’t even agree to keep this country running, and Perry would have them voting every year on each individual country’ aid package? Sounds like an interestingly impossible idea.
At least we didn’t have to hear Michele bellow “I would repeal Obamacare on day one.” again. I would think that a Congresswoman might know that the President cannot repeal anything. Guess she has the Bush executive order playbook in mind. (oop, she has no mind.)
Self Deprecate Political Humor & Cartoons
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 12:05 am
Excellent write up, thanks! I’ll get around to watching it but it’s nice to already have a cheat sheet.
la Zingaro
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 12:35 am
Remember when China wanted to be like US? Yeah. Those were the days.
Boscoe
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Yeah, now China is doing it “better” and the wingnuts are so jealous! They pine for the days of cheap child labor and not having to spend money on safety measures and maintenance. That golden age when they could pump toxic effluent into the water supply with impunity because they’re the Producers, dammit!
Owning a third world sweatshop in your own country is the American Dream!
ProgLib
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 2:09 am
Michele Bachmann is a COMMUNIST! AHHH!
Chris
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 2:26 am
Hands down the worst Republican debate. Clearly, the nominees were addressing speaking points that they don’t really have much knowledge about. They do great when talking about jobs, jobs, jobs, but they certainly don’t have the knowledge necessary to adress issues of international relations. Likewise, isn’t this the part of pro-life? I guess that issue goes out the window when talking about international affairs.
Chris
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 2:30 am
Did anyone else notice that the audience was comprised on only white people?
Boscoe
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Dude, this is like the 18th or 20th debaye! You only JUST noticed that?? ;)
ww.MOBILESPECS.IN
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 3:07 am
Glad That i Didn’t Watch the CBS News Debate
Diane
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 4:43 am
Can you imagine what the world leaders must think watching these idiots??
Why does the republican party hate the US so much that they put these idiots on stage and ask them to expand on their ideas and what they would do as POTUS?
These wing nuts scare me. They are flinging crazy ideas just to see what resonates with the other crazies.
Yes, let us be like China. Yes, lets just cut foreign aid. Yep, lets just bomb Iran. When POTUS I will get rid of health care on day one. Guess Michelle missed that part of the talk on the Constitution.
These people are NUTS!!!!
TJKENNEDY
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 6:48 am
you got it they all are a bunch of fruitcakes!
Anne
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 7:16 am
I read somewhere that in Brazil, people spent a good 30 minutes watching one of the GOP “debates” and laughing at the clowns participating in the circus. Just reading about this one undescores that any one of them would be an unmitigated disaster as president, for economic reasons, military reasons, or both.
Tom
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 8:13 am
Why do most of these republican politicians want to torture and kill?
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Isnt it hilarious that the very people who scream we are taxed enough want to start wars that they will be taxed for and will not be participating in?
Boscoe
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Because the hand-picked inbred studio audience will cheer for it.
Bill in VA
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 8:50 am
I wish someone would ask “Herb” Cain what newspapers he reads.
Boscoe
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Cain: “Penthouse has news in it, right?”
ceez
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 8:59 am
they should just ban these debates…useless.
Miltiades
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 9:42 am
It makes you about the nature of their “God” since only HE speaks to these candidates and endorses wars, torture, selfishness and the endorsement of wing nuts by the droves.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Excellent point
Boscoe
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Makes me think He’s testing the rest of us.
Joe From PGH
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
I wish a comentator asked if the draft should be reinstated so that when we go to war with Iran (and their friends, such as Syria) we will have a substantial and fresh army. I bwet they would say “why would we need a draft, I’m sure milliions of young men and women would love to defend our great nation.”
Taking out the code words, what they really would be saying is: “heck no, I ain’t sending MY son/daughter to die. We have enough poor folks not working that they will make sure our rich kids don’t have to die.”
SinghX
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
I’m sure one of them would have said, “Let those ‘without’ join the military and put the Evangelicals in charge …” if the question was asked; most of them have their filters turned on “off” because it makes for better TV…the answers would sound like Barbara Bush when she spoke so “highly” of all the hurricane victims pontificating that they had it good staying by staying at some shelter than living in the poverty they were accustom…
david
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Ron Paul needs to stand for Israel more. the brain washed anti Israel hype needs to be weeded out with truth that Israel is being patient while terrorists send missiles to them, when Israel attacks back they warn the civilians in target areas. they allow 100 truck loads of food and aid to Palestinian people daily. its amazing that the terrorists managed to brain wash the young liberals to hate Israel while they strap bomb belts on shouting allahakbar . why do cruel people hate Jews? Hitler was a mad man and he tried to wipe them out, the terrorists want them dead, Iran wants them dead. all crazed lunatics that are listening to whispers of demons.
the devil wants to eliminate the Jews and any man of power who has a evil bent will be tried hard by dark forces to do their will. it sounds crazy but there is more to this life then what we see.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
The terrorists have brainwashed the liberals? LOL Oh my.
You also forget, conveniently, that Israel also blockaded the same foods and medicines you speak of for years.
First, Israel has committed atrocities just like palestine has. There is no devil and when was the last time you seen a suicide bomber in Israel?
Israel and palestine need to be supported when they go for peace. Neither is going for peace. In fact Israel is pushing the settlement issue so there will be no peace. As long as neither is supporting peace efforts i think all monetary support to them needs to be stopped
Dave
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
There aren’t any more suicide bombings because Saddam is no longer paying vast fortunes to the families of the bombers. Thanks, Dubya!
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
I know you know how hilarious that is. but then again you are ok with hundreds of thousand dying to prevent a suicide bombing.
But actually Saddam had little to do with whether suicide bombings occurred or not
Jim Faubel
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
I can’t wait for the next “debate” when these “candidates” get to pander to their far Right religious “base”. I’d make a drinking game out of it except that I’m afraid we’ll all get too drunk.
SinghX
Nov. 13th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
…not if we all make the rule that you only drink when the word “god” is used…no, wait…
…we can’t use “debt” or “liberty”…OK, you’re right…I feel a the desire for vodka and kleb..
Kevin
Nov. 14th, 2011 at 12:45 am
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