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CNN Debunks The Myth That Glenn Beck And Keith Olbermann Are Alike
A lively discussion broke out on CNN today over whether or not Keith Olbermann and Glenn Beck are the same. Howard Kurtz spelled out the difference between Olbermann and Beck, by saying about Olbermann’s program, “His MSNBC show, agree with it, disagree with it, was a very well-researched program.”
Here is the video from CNN:
Howard Kurtz said that Fox had asked Beck to tone it down, “But Roger Ailes told me some months ago that he asked Beck in a friendly way to tone things down.”
Amy Holmes tried to compare Glenn Beck to Lawrence O’Donnell, Keith Olbermann, and Ed Schultz, “Sure. And you know what? Roger Ailes is the boss. And generally, you are supposed to do what the boss says. And if you don’t, then you don’t get to keep your show. But you can string together sound bite after sound bite from MSNBC of their primetime lineup. Ed Schultz; you have “Worst Person in the World” when Keith Olbermann was on. You have, as I said, Lawrence O’Donnell declaring himself to be a socialist, which he has every right to do, but it is extreme.”
Howard Kurtz brought up two huge differences between Olbermann and Beck, “Let me pick up on Amy’s point about MSNBC. Now, I don’t put Keith Olbermann in the same category as Beck at all. His MSNBC show, agree with it, disagree with it, was a very well-researched program. But he also became increasingly opinionated. He also clashed with his bosses. And he also left.”
David Zurawik tried to make the Jon Stewart argument that Glenn Beck and Olbermann are alike, “Howie, he was the guy who said — right after the episode I cited in October, he did the same thing Beck did. He said, give me all the dirt you have on — and on Roger Ailes, too. I mean, it was so personal. This is not what you’re doing on cable television. No. Let me say this in the middle of these two, because it’s true. And this is like, which carcinogen do you want in your water? Which one in the public? Look, Olbermann, all of the others on MSNBC, O’Donnell, they are just as bad in one way. “
Zurawik continued and shifted gears and said in one way Beck was worse than MSNBC and Olbermann, “But in another way, Beck was worse. Here’s how Beck was worse. Beck understood the fault lines in our sort of history and moral consciousness. And he went with the Nazi stuff. And when he tried to appropriate the moral authority of Martin Luther King with that rally, he went right out things that are important to groups like African-Americans and Jews, and he would offend you in your face and not care. Olbermann didn’t do that. I’ll say that for Olbermann.
Howard Kurtz jumped back into the discussion to point out the difference between Olbermann and Beck, “I have got to push back on this, though. You say that some of the people at MSNBC, just as bad. Now, they may be as opinionated, they may be as strident, they may occasionally be irresponsible. But they are not trafficking conspiracy theories, they’re not making things up.”
Bill Press pointed out that only Roger Ailes is to blame for the firing of Glenn Beck, “Wait. I just want to make it clear. OK? Roger Ailes fired Glenn Beck. You can’t blame MSNBC. You can’t blame Media Matters. You can’t blame Bill Press. We clashed as well. Roger Ailes knew he was toxic for that network. And you know what else? I’m telling you, I’ll bet you that the other hosts went to Roger Ailes and said you’ve got to get this loon off this air, he’s making us all look bad.”
The idea that Glenn Beck is just like MSNBC and Keith Olbermann is a falsehood that needs to be put down once and for all. There is nothing on MSNBC that compares to the outright fearmongering and misleading information that Beck spews on a nightly basis on Fox News. Keith Olbermann never went on the air and claimed that the Republicans were going to kill as all, and our lives were in jeopardy. Olbermann never turned his show into an old-time evangelist hour. Keith Olbermann did try to rely on facts whereas for Beck the facts were what he felt they should be that day.
The reason people often lump Olbermann and Beck together is because they both relied on a similar communications technique. Both of them tried to connect to their audience through emotion. Keith Olbermann and Glenn Beck understand the power of an emotional argument. Olbermann’s Special Comments were emotional appeals. Glenn Beck’s Fox News program was built around emotion, but this is where the similarity ends.
As Howard Kurtz observed, Keith Olbermann’s emotional appeals, no matter how short-sighted they could be at times, were backed up with research and facts. Glenn Beck relied on interweaving emotional appealed designed to bring the viewer to his desired conclusion. Glenn Beck research appears to have been carried about by a group of over caffeinated dyslexic monkeys. The result was that Beck never backed up his points with complete facts. On the occasions that he does use facts, he normally uses half-truths, and never presents things in context. Beck is the master of the information fragment.
Unlike Olbermann, Beck was fired. Glenn did not decide to leave. Roger Ailes is booting his backside out the door. I think it is easy to compare Olbermann and Beck because of how their shows will have ended, but they are not the same.
Those who try to claim that they are the same are usually upset with the entire tone of our media, but for as exasperating as Keith Olbermann can be, he adds something of substance to the debate, whereas Glenn Beck looked to manipulate and divide for the purpose of personal financial enrichment.
Keith Olbermann cares deeply about the politics and what he sees as the condition of his country. I have never believed for a moment that Glenn Beck really cared. Beck is a two-bit comedian who found a character and struck it rich. For him political media appears seems like nothing more than a wealth generating enterprise.
On the surface Keith Olbermann and Glenn Beck may appear similar, but a deeper look reveals two polar opposites that could not be more different if they tried.
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Reynardine
Apr. 10th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
This is not even quite a propos this article, it occurs to me that even though most of us will never meet, let alone pass a pitcher of lager and break into song, this blog is our Stammtisch, our personal circle of light in what may well be darkening times.
Sarah Jones
Apr. 11th, 2011 at 12:47 am
And your erudite comments are a big part of that.
Reynardine
Apr. 11th, 2011 at 6:38 am
I truly thank you for that.
F. Andy Seidl
Apr. 10th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Amy Holmes is nothing if not predicable, eh?
Lotus_Man
Apr. 11th, 2011 at 12:51 am
Indeed. And thick as well (intentionally or not) as she seems to have completely missed the point of Lawrence O’Donnell calling himself a “socialist”. I don’t know how anyone can call Lawrence O’Donnell “extreme”. He is always very considered. very measured, and quite responsible.
english saddle
Apr. 11th, 2011 at 12:57 am
No kidding. I’m so tired of her. Keith is nothing like Glenn Beck.?
Nasty Liberal
Apr. 11th, 2011 at 3:42 am
Oh, I don’t know… this Amy Holmes person seems very “clean,” and so very “articulate” (using that term most superficially)… makes me wonder what terrible ambitions lurk in her heart?
“Amy? Amy! The call’s come in! Roger Ailes on line one–this could be it!”
Eykis
Apr. 11th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Amy is simply a tewl, plain and simple, and not a good tewl. Not bright enough.
novenator
Apr. 11th, 2011 at 12:01 am
The same can be said about the false analogy between Fox and MSNBC. There is no doubt the commentators on MSNBC are left-leaning, but they are not as far off center as anyone on Fox, except perhaps Shep Smith. This is best shown in this comic: Fun with false equivalence: www.slowpokecomics.com/st...
The tilt is ultimately less important than the accuracy and journalistic integrity though, and you don’t see MSNBC making these types of “errors”:
Fox misreports TARP savings by $198billion www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002...
Fox Distorts Rasmussen Poll About Global Warming Fraud www.thrfeed.com/2009/12/f...
Fox distorts CBO report on health care premiums mediamatters.org/research...
Fox caught using Palin election footage as book signing crowd footage www.youtube.com/watch?v=l...
Hannity caught using old 9/12 footage to make a smaller Bachman rally look larger mediamatters.org/mmtv/200...
Moore Catches Hannity Splicing In Actual Hospital Footage With Phony “Hospital” Footage. crooksandliars.com/david-...
Fox Deceptively Crops Biden When He Was Quoting McCain www.huffingtonpost.com/20...
Fox Incorrectly Claims Obama’s Budget = 4x Larger Than Bush’s Costliest Budget. www.huffingtonpost.com/20...
Glen Beck suggests progressives, instead of conservatives, supported slave ownership www.huffingtonpost.com/20...
Fox blames Obama election on falling stock indexes: www.dailykos.com/storyonl...
Then once the dow surpasses 10k, tries to correlate the recovery to Bush…. 9 MONTHS AFTER HE LEFT! thinkprogress.org/2009/10...
“Hannity claims loophole in Cash for Clunkers program would allow people to buy and then trade in a junker” www.politifact.com/truth-...
Fox caught with its pants down on ABC attacks www.dailykostv.com/w/0018...
Beck claims earth has been cooling since 1998 mediamatters.org/clips/20...
Global Temps as measured by NASA show temperatures rising since then
data.giss.nasa.gov/gistem...
Bill O’Reilly falsely denies calling Tiller a “baby killer”
www.politifact.com/truth-...
Fox falsely claims Dow fell 56 points during Obama speech www.dailykostv.com/w/0010...
Right-wing bets against U.S. in pirate standoff www.dailykostv.com/w/0011...
Hannity falsely claims Obama was required to approve use of force against pirates www.newshounds.us/2009/04...
Goler reverses meaning of Obama quote to falsely suggest he supports European-style health care mediamatters.org/research...
Hannity falsely denies Texas secession threat he once touted www.dailykostv.com/w/0012...
Ingraham uses doctored video to smear Gore mediamatters.org/research...
Fox Nation falsely claims “Obama Spending $400K to Studying Drinking and Sex Habits of Gays in Argentina” mediamatters.org/research...
Misrepresented party affiliation or names:
Fox Labels Joe Sestak as a Joke mediamatters.org/blog/200...
Fox incorrectly labels disgraced republicans with a (D).
Mark Sanford mediamatters.org/blog/200...
Mark Foley www.bradblog.com/?p=3570
Sen. Ted Stevens img183.imageshack.us/i/36...
Fox incorrectly labels Lieberman a dem while he talks pro war.
crooksandliars.com/2007/0...
Fox incorrectly switches party affiliation to show poll supporting a republican www3.allaroundphilly.com/...
More Fox from Reddit
Three distortions in one video: Fox lies about union pay vs. non-union pay; distorts speaker’s words at NEA conference; Tells lie that WI Gov. Walker campaigned with an anti-union position www.youtube.com/watch?v=O...
Direct quote from a Fox “news” insider: “We Were a Stalin-esque Mouthpiece for Bush” www.alternet.org/story/14...
Fox targets two New York Times reporters, altering their faces by blackening their eyes, yellowing their teeth, and making a nose larger www.youtube.com/watch?v=s...
Fox Repeatedly Misidentifies Republicans as Being Democrats, Often During Erupting Scandals: intershame.com/on/Fox_New...
And, here are some specific examples:
Fox Misidentified Mark Foley (R-FL) As Being A Democrat Rather Than A Republican mediamatters.org/research...
Fox Mislabels Mark Sanford (R-SC) As A Democrat After He Admits Adulterous Affair www.huffingtonpost.com/20...
Fox “News” Wrongly Identifies Independent Joe Lieberman As A Democrat mediamatters.org/research...
Fox “News” Mislabels Lincoln Chafee (R-RI) As A Democrat crooksandliars.com/2006/1...
According to conservative Tucker Carlson, the reason Fox’s slogan (“fair and balanced”) was chosen is “to drive liberals crazy” [excerpt from book by Sen. Al Franken, "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them..."]
books.google.com/books?id...
People in England rally to protest cuts in government support for education. Fox uses video of the protest to support the opposite viewpoint in a story claiming that people in England identify with anti-government “tea partiers” in U.S. www.youtube.com/watch?v=e...
[Note that Fox also said settlers to America came here to flee high taxes
During ten months in 2010, about $40 million worth of free air time given by Fox “News” to potential Republican candidates who were hosts or “contributors” to Fox programs mediamatters.org/research...
Fox parent company donates $1 million to Republican Governors Assn.
www.politico.com/blogs/be...
Fox helped spread false rumors (originating from unnamed sources) that Obama was educated at a Muslim religious school madrasa, and tried to get Hillary Clinton’s campaign blamed for the story. (Story first appeared in conservative magazine owned by “Moonies” a.k.a. the Unification Church.) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q...
Additional analysis from FAIR: www.fair.org/index.php?pa...
And this kind of sums things up: i.imgur.com/C2w9n.jpg
Dave in Greensboro
Apr. 11th, 2011 at 8:54 am
I know this is quibbling, but I’m often reticent to post these on my Facebook feed because of the horrible editing. You have great points but the typos distract from them considerably.
JohnR
Apr. 11th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
@novenator: Ah, the sort of support that you now only see on the internet. Complete role-reversal; ironic, eh? Of course Fox is simply an Orwellian propaganda outlet. Just to pick a single thing at random, this whole idea of “errors” by Fox intrigues me. You can tell everything you need to know about someone just by how he or she refers to them. Any comment which treats them as actual errors is either lazy or deliberately misleading. Actual errors don’t invariably occur in one direction, politically speaking. Only a fool believes otherwise. Poor Nixon; if only he had had Fox Newspeak behind him, he’d probably have been a four-term President himself..
Montana
Apr. 12th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Glenn Back was like the “Chicken Littles” always saying that the “Sky is Falling”, like the same ones that were the “Chicken Hawks” (“W” Wars), big talk no courage. The United States, favors creativity wherever it can be found. We’re apostles of prosperity and defenders of the free exchange of ideas and when more people in more countries are free to rise, to invent, to communicate, to dissent, it’s not the doom of United States leadership, its the triumph of the American way. Generations have worked hard and sacrificed much for the country to reach this point (individuals and our unions!), and with further hard work and sacrifice (along with our relentless self-doubt) the United States will rise again, we do not tire and we are coming back, no matter what the “Chicken Littles” keep saying about our nation. Never Bet Against the United States!