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Why Conservatives are Wrong When They Say Liberalism Will Fail
By: Hrafnkell HaraldssonNov. 29th, 2012more from Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Liberalism saved Western civilization from the tyranny of the church. Liberalism freed us from superstition and its sequelae, like burning people who said “no” to the dominant power; and it gave us freedom and democracy and science, leading to a world where people were free to make their own decisions and to pursue individual happiness rather than a path bound on all sides by damnation, dictated for them by religious authorities.
Conservatives have never quite gotten over this rejection of the past and with it, of their ultimate, capital-T Truth. We have seen them convince themselves in recent years of liberalism’s essential illigitimacy as a political ideology, leaving liberalism’s success, let alone its continued existence, to confound them.
Earlier this month, William Bennett admitted conservatives have lost the culture war, but he managed to do so without really acknowledging the reasons conservatives lost, or even accepting for conservatives any responsibility for their own defeat.
At the time, Bennett whined (there is no other word for it) that,
To women they said: Republicans are waging a “war on women,” trying to outlaw abortion and contraception and would take them back to their rights in the 1950s. To minorities they said: Republicans are anti-government services, cold-blooded individualists, and cannot represent minority communities. To middle and low income Americans they said: Republicans are the party of the rich, who will slash taxes for only the richest Americans and cut social safety nets for the poor.
What Bennett catastrophically failed to see is that the Republicans were guilty of all these things. What he was essentially complaining about was that the Democrats told the truth about what the Republicans were planning.
Now he has convinced himself that liberalism will ultimately fail, and he explains his thinking in an opinion piece on CNN.
To make his argument, he pulls out some old Republican fantasies, showing at the outset that he is not prepared to have this conversation; that this will be another piece of conservative apologia rather than an honest political analysis based on the facts on the ground.
He says that diversity is bad – it is a long-term weakness, not a strength for the Democratic Party, despite liberalism’s short-term success in fashioning a union of disparate factions (gosh, it sounds a lot like liberalism’s success in fashioning a union out of thirteen disprate colonies too, doesn’t it?).
Then out comes conservative economics 101, based not on evidence but wishful thinking:
Rather than waiting on free markets to correct themselves and start creating wealth again, liberalism’s cure is immediate, and so are the political payoffs. This explains partly why many voters feel liberals care about them more than conservatives.
The free markets will not correct themselves, just like nothing will ever trickle down. It they were self-correcting we would not have any problems in the first place. Trying to fix the broken free-markets is apparently, in Bennett’s eyes, a liberal’s way of playing to the masses. Again, the problem is not of conservatism’s own making. Liberals are just taking advantage.
In his earlier piece Bennett brought up the churches, saying that liberal discourse must be countered with a message of “faith, freedom, principle, values, work, country, community, improvement, growth, and equality of opportunity.” He does so again here, lamenting the weakened hold of the Church:
For the ideologically driven — the pro-choice, pro-gay-marriage voters and Sandra Flukes of the world (she was the Georgetown student at the center of a birth control debate this year) — liberalism offers a slightly different relief: the rejection of the central role of mediating institutions — like churches, families and community organizations — in imposing moral standards to govern or regulate behavior within the state.
In Bennett’s carefully reconstructed past, the Church was only a mediator, but the church was never interested in mediating. The church, historically, and down to the time the U.S. Constitution changed all that, was authoritarian, telling people what to believe, how to believe, and how to live. It did this or 2,000 years and never willingly relinquished the role.
The Religious Right, since it gained control of the Republican Party, has not shown any interest in mediation, but has turned to the time-tested historical model of enforcing obedience. It has done so in state after state and even at the federal level through legislation based on the Bible, on Christian belief. Obedience will even protect you from rape by demons.
Obedience, in the conservative lexicon, is good. But those pesky liberals will not obey.
Once in a while, we find the truth coming out, but though Ron Paul openly expressed his hatred for democracy and his love for oligarchy, Bennett tries to cloak the iron hand of religious authoritarianism in a velvet glove of beneficence.
So we find Bennett complaining,
Churches and families can exist, says liberalism, so long as they exercise “soft” religion and don’t force their views on the public. When they do, like in the case of the Catholic Church and contraception, it’s necessary, says liberalism, for the state to step in and impart justice. This explains Obamacare’s contraception mandate and why much was made over the “war on women.”
Yes, liberalism says it is the state’s job to impart justice. That is what the Constitution says, after all. We have certain inalienable rights, not only the rights the Church grants us, and ultimately, we all have the same rights; we are all equal before the law.
The First Amendment specifically denies churches the right to “force their views on the public,” yet we have Bennett lamenting this seeming error by our Founding Fathers.
No wonder they try so hard to convince themselves that a sentence that forbids state-sponsored religion actually grants it to Christianity exclusively. No wonder they try so hard to convince thesmelves that only the Church is granted First Amendment protections.
The Constitution cannot possibly say what it says because the Founding Fathers were not a diverse group of believers, deists, and atheists, but Evangelical Christians, who could never have meant such a thing. Bennett, it would seem, has fallen for the same fantasies pushed by David Barton.
Bennett argues that liberalism will fail but until he comes into contact with actual facts (something, like any Republican, he avoids like the plague), he is not in a position to judge such matters.
All he has accomplished here is shaping an apology for the Evangelical Republican Party, and has done so, like the early Church fathers, has attacked everything outside it as wrong, and in the same breath, justified its own doctrines. And an apology is nothing more or less than the cry, “Don’t panic! You’re right and everybody else is wrong. Your beliefs are justified in the face of all facts to the contrary.”
So when Bennett asks, “Does this mean that conservatism is past its time and that liberalism is the mandate of the future?” he has to answer, “No, it doesn’t.”
After all, as he argued in his previous piece, the problem isn’t the message but the packaging and the inability of conservatives to get their message out. The message, divinely countenanced, cannot possibly be at fault.
We have sunk here to the heart of the eternal struggle between those liberal thinkers who ignited the European Enlightenment, and the Church authorities. Liberalism says the system must conform to the facts, but the church argues that facts (and history, as it turns out) must conform to the system. This is the struggle as played out on Election Day 2012, when Americans voted for a continuation of the European Enlightenment rather than a return to the Medieval Papacy, a point which entirely eludes conservatives like William J. Bennett.
In simpler terms, Americans sided with Obama’s slogan “Forward” and disregarded the conservative plea to, quite literally, take the country back.
Therefore, Republicans “will be ready” to counter the argument that conservatism “as the faction of social injustice” (in other words, I suppose, to lie more effectively or disenfranchise more voters to compensate), and liberalism’s refusal to turn to “strong, active, character-forming institutions” like churches will leave the government overburdened (never mind that these religious groups rely on the same tax dollars used by the government).
Horror of horrors, with liberalism, people rely on the government rather than the Church, and we can’t have that, we can’t enforce obedience if the government is going to create a situation where people don’t need the church. It takes the teeth out of coercion entirely.
Bennett therefore concludes that the problem is one of allegiance, to the government or to the Church, apparently.
“The problem is that liberals often confuse such allegiance with successful governing,” adding that, “The liberal coalition of the future looks more like Greece, an advanced secular, social welfare state, than the idealized liberal glory days of FDR.”
Unfortunately for Bennett, the conservative coalition of the future looks more like the Medieval (with all the sordid connotations that word implies) Papacy than the idealized vision of the Founding Fathers for a nation where power derives from the people, not from people who claim they talk to (and therefore, FOR) God.
Even more unfortunately for Bennett, growing numbers of Americans – in all those disparate groups he maligns – seem to realize this. The electorate, to conservatism’s dismay, voted for science. It voted for women. And most importantly of all, the electorate voted for the right to choose, and not to be told. Ultimately, the voice of the people – all people – is why liberalism will not fail.
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clarence swinney
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 9:46 am
PRESIDENT OBAMA IS CRAZY
Yes! Crazy. Crazy not to inform the people on his many successes
but insists on playing defense countering the attacks by Republicans.
Grover Nutquist on Fox said “We just elected a president who
does not want spending restraint.”
President Obama signed into law a spending cut of $1500 Billion
2013 thru 2023. These discretionary cuts will shrink non-defense discretionary spending
to lowest level in history as a percent of gdp (per cbpp.org)
President Obama formed the Efficient Spending in Government Program.
Each Department is expected to reduce cost via efficiency changes. The Secretary Of Energy has produced information on savings in that department but this President refuses to brag -boast-promo successes.
President Obama will have, over four years, increased Spending at lowest percent change since Hoover. No Braggo. I do it for him. Bush last fiscal year spend 3520 Billion. Obama fourth fiscal year is budgeted to spend 3800 Billion. 3800-3500=8.6% increase in four years or average of 2.15% per year.
Why not compare? Reagan increased spending by 80% and Bush by 90%.
I cannot read his character/personality! If he will not boast why not turn loose all Cabinet Heads to boast on their achievements?? There is a long list at Obama achievements. org or The Peoples Choice. com/achievements list. a confused/tar heel
Reynardine
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Listen, the voters didn’t need Democrats to tell them that. The Republicans were already plainly saying that.
Mary
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 10:47 am
The true death we are seeing is the tea haters, and the wing nut crazies. Each election to come will have more repugs losing.
Thomas Wright
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 11:03 am
okay, first of all most of the things Conservatives are talking about are fairly correct. That when, for instance, society moves toward a less traditional approach to family that there are many issues that appear over time. Just look at in general the difference that students have in one parent versus two parent ( and I would argue cohabiting is still two parent sort of though not ideal ) in their results over time. I would also argue that in general homosexuality is not a healthy life style, but I also would argue that it is not my place to say more than I do not agree with it. go be gay.
What Conservatives are really talking about are the economic freedoms that we are destroying in a quest to create ‘fairness’. You see I do not want fair, I want opportunity. Opportunity is NOT fair, however it opens up the greatest chance of success.
Conservatives BELIEVE that people make economic choices based on what is best for themselves. This is true by anything run by Human beings as well ( the idea that Corporations are people too ) Because of this as a state, and I do not care WHAT state is Federal, Local, etc adds more and more burden on business and provides more and more privilege to people you create a disconnect. Ultimately if the business is given a better offer, labor costs, more environmental lee-way, simpler regulatory environment, less tax burden, etc. That business will make an economic decision as well.
Now socialism works, just not as well as Capitalism. Look at the growth rates between the USSR and the United States as a for instance. The USSR’s Economy grew EVERY YEAR, but when compared to the USA it was a pathetic shadow.
The real issue is, based on what I read in your article and the few posts that I have read here, you do not understand Conservative thought. You do not see the long term consequences of the ‘Liberal’ ideas. Societal value evolution is not Conservative vs Liberal. A sad understanding of History you have.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Capitalism is not a form of government. Socialism is.
Liberal values are not socialism. Family are what the PEOPLE determine they are.
Single parents are not a liberal idea, they are born out of alcoholism, men who cant take responsibility amongst other things.
You have a good post in defining what you think liberal values are. However you are caught up in a cliche thinking that liberals or socialism want single parents.
ALL people make economic choices that are (usually( best for themselves. That has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism.
Lastly, this is not a socialistic country nor will it ever be. Having single payer healthcare does not make a country or people socialist.
Johnee
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Absolutely correct. Do you really know any liberals that want to abolish the private sector? I don’t. We know it works, but like anything else it is not the solution for everything under the sun, and it needs checks and balances (regulations) in certain cases, for it to work properly. It is not a suitable replacement for certain functions of the state where profit cannot be the primary motivating factor.
I swear, this talk of “socialism” from neo-cons wears really thin. I have to laugh when they talk about “European socialism”. I have friends that live in Norway, and they both work for very profitable and successful PRIVATE companies. It seems today’s conservatives cannot tell the difference between true socialism, and operating in a capitalistic framework with certain public and social programs.
“Socialism” indeed.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
No country can exist without jobs and industry. Anyone who says people want to get rid of the private sector have an agenda. Nothing could be further from the truth. And I get one heck of a laugh put of the conservatives who say this.
But the conservatives at the same time are forced to support corrupt private sector industries. Wall Street is so corrupt and affects our lives so soundly that the conservatives are forced to support it. The liberals are against corrupt industries. The conservatives are not. And that’s why they strike out at European socialism. The people who live in these countries are happy, they have better Health Care than we have and they get a better education. The conservatives are afraid of that
A Walkaway
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I took the time (which I really shouldn’t have done) to see what was new on this blog, and I saw your post.
In a nutshell, you’re full of sh*t.
We do know and understand conservative thought. Shoot, I was a conservative for over 40 years of my life. It took having experiences with the reality of conservatism (cruel, stereotyping, preferring lies over truth, and I could go on and on) to wake me out of my brainwashed slumber. I REMEMBER the worldview, and now realize just how wrong it was (I was).
Now I despise conservatism and conservatives (and yes, I WAS one).
I’ll let someone else answer you point by point – it’s the final weeks of class and I have too much to do to waste more than a couple of minutes on conservatives.
fedded-up
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
(1) You are, mistakenly, conflating traditional 2-parent families with Conservatism, with ‘rightness.’ You are also, mistakenly, conflating non-traditional families with Liberalism. Families, most often, do not choose in this way. Very very seldom will you find a single parent that chose to be a single parent, though that is becoming more common as acceptance ramps up. The whole point of this is – no matter how your family is formed and what components make up a ‘family,’ that is THEIR BUSINESS AND NO ONE ELSE’S.
It’s just so nice that your opinion about co-habitation is changing as time goes by. The problem is why YOU think anyone else should care what YOU think about it.
It’s also nice that you feel free enough about homosexuality to be able to say, “go be gay.” But it’s puzzling as to why this opinion needs aired.
Do you see my point? This is an intensely personal life choice. Neither the gubmint nor you has the right to pronounce judgment on it. And the concerted effort to block official recognition of homosexuality is nothing less than a criminal bastardization of democracy.
(2) Economics – In capitalistic economies, there will always be a tendency for those who ‘get it,’ those who are outrageously successful to grab ever growing pieces of the pie. There are few barriers in a country that prides itself on its inherent guarantee of freedom to all. BUT, as with all good things, there must be those internal walls to stop the greedy child from destroying all. Hence, the socialist overtones of a ‘minimum wage.’ That HAD to be done, because nothing stops the dedicated capitalist from destroying his own consumer base by underpaying workers – trying for that bigger piece again. Hence, minimum standards set all over da place – to avoid the threat of the capitalist overkill that is ever-present.
What you are advocating is the removal of ALL barriers. Rodeo capitalism, played out to its natural conclusion. Which would be the death of this…
Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
If free market capitalism works so well, why is this true? www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/...
Representative-elect Alan Grayson (D-FL) said Monday that he will put mega-retailer Walmart squarely in his sights during the next Congress for the company’s liberal use of public assistance programs to supplement their workers’ wages.
Raw Story (s.tt/1uYM2)
Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Or this, from Sum of Us:
“Fast food workers are so underpaid that many rely on food stamps, Medicaid, housing vouchers, and other forms of public assistance to make ends meet. That means that, like Walmart, fast food giants like McDonald’s and Burger King are costing taxpayers millions every year.”
Reynardine
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Whether or not opportunity is fair, unfairness denies opportunity.
Maranon
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 11:19 am
The churches are not willing to give their privilege status, so we will have to diminish it
by hitting them where they hurt, in their pocket.
Liberalism is not lasting?
The founding fatheres were all religious?
Jefferson while not a perfect man, was a great founding father, he was proud of the following accomplishment.
In 1786, the Virginia General Assembly passed Jefferson’s Bill for Religious Freedom, which he had first submitted in 1779
The law read:
“No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities. ”
Our job is to protect this right.
Jeff
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 11:31 am
What I find most interesting is that, in spite of the hundreds of millions of super pac money, Bennett actually believes that the problem is that the conservatives couldn’t get out the message? Really? With Fox News, a myriad of talk shows with a strong conservative bias, and TV ads ad bnauseum, they didn’t get the message out? It couldn’t possibly be that America heard the meaasge loud and clear, and decided that it wasn’t something they wanted to be a part of, that the so-called “facts” were in many cases demonstrably false?
Until the conservatives jettison the loudly vocal lunatic fringe, and are willing to engage in debates based on easily verifiable facts, they’ll lose. We the people aren’t that stupid. You can’t fool all the people all the time…..
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Thanks to the NRA we just cant kill enough deserving people in a day
neil
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Don’t worry about Bennett.I’ve been reading his opinions on CNN.He hasn’t been right yet.I think he is “severely conservative” and he is also “severely wrong”.In other words his head is so “severely up his butt” that it will never see light of day.Enough said.
Rho
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Repugs, I go three questions….
1. Have your guns been taken away? No…
2. Have your taxes gone up? No…
3. What the hell is your problem, then?
djchefron
Nov. 30th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Not a rethug but let me try to answer
1/Not yet but agenda 21 will take our ammo,herd us into fema camps then they will take my gun.
2.Taxes well the tax on my chewing tobacco has gone up and if I ever make 250 thousand the gubbermint will take my money and give it to the takers.BTW i WANT GUBBERMINT TO LEAVE MY MEDICARE ALONE.
3.I am not a racist but and keep this between us there is a negro in the White House.Thats just not right,why you think its the WHITE House
Mark Bousquet
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Conservatives are wrong every time they open their mouths. Who seriously wants to live in the past??
Johnee
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
I still can’t believe these guys repeat these discredited and thoroughly debunked myths with a straight face. And Bennett is the living stereotype. Problem is, some working class suckers actually buy into their nonsense.
We all know how laughable trickle down economics is, but the “free market as a self correcting system” always floored me. Sure Bill, how long are we supposed to give it so it can “correct itself”?
We gave the health industry what…several decades to self correct? How did that work out?
Jim Acero
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Nice bit of writing. Jonathan Haidt wrote a book about how conservatives and liberals see the world. Conservatives tend to want to protect (the tribe, the status quo, etc.), while liberals tend to find change (exploration, testing, discussion) to be a positive force. The world needs both.
The problem with the conservatives of today compared to even forty years ago is that the party platform has shrunk to two issues: low taxes and Evangelical Christian morals and anyone not on talking point is the enemy. The GOP of the past had positions that could be discussed because they had at least thought them out and were able to debate them. I may not have agreed with many Republicans of the past, but I could respect them for having considered their positions enough to be able to defend and support them in a way that made some sense. Those Republicans (there are some left) aren’t allowed on the national stage in today’s “my way or the highway” GOP.
Brian Loudermilch
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
As for the “Failure” of Liberalism, Bill Bennett
should take a look at History.
The Stock Market has Always performed better when Democrats are in the White House.
The LAST time the Federal Government actually had
a Balanced BUDGET was under President CLINTON.
Saint Ronald Reagan raised TAXES 11 times. Now any
thought of raising Taxes is a Mortal Sin.
SinghX
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Oh Bill Bennett…why is anyone paying any attention to this washed up, tired, dull old man? All he wants is “One more for the gipper” before he dies; that’s the only reason he has an office to go to, a staff has probably sold their souls because they do all his work for him…all so he can continue to blather his myopic view of reality in public…all because he thinks HE’S still “relevant”. HA!
Retire, old man, just retire.
Ohio Lobo
Nov. 29th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
When the Wing Nuts say that Obama is a socialist; it is pure rhetoric. Unfortunately, most of the American people do not know what socialism actually is. Today, the Wing Nuts say that Obama, who happens to lean left, but not too far left, is a Stalinist, a Nazi, a Marxist, a Socialist, a Fascist, and a Communist. That is plain crazy. How can a person be extreme Right and extreme Left at the same time?
Talking heads either do not know what they are talking about or are cranking up the Wing Nut rhetoric to make some easy money. But many American people believe them. You can chalk that up to a less than adequate US educational system caused by lack of funding.
Just what is a Conservative and what is a Liberal? Being a Conservative means that an individual wants to conserve the status quo. Being a Liberal means that an individual wants to change the status quo.
This country was originally liberal, that is, it was against the status quo that the King of England wanted. That is why we had the Boston Tea Party and fought the Revolutionary War.
Isn’t it ironic that since the constitution was ratified, Conservatives have purported to conserve the constitution, which was classically liberal when written (i.e. against the status quo which the “Crown” wanted.)
Another misconception: Any taxation for the purpose of re-distribution of wealth can be construed to be socialistic which means that BOTH parties can be labeled as “socialist”. Yes, St Ronnie and the Shrub were two great American Socialists for they took from the middle class and the poor to give tax benefits to the rich.
What Obama is pursuing is resuscitation of the American economy through Keynesian principles. Keynesian Economics is a form of capitalism that influences capitalism when it is not working by infusing government spending to shore up the economy. What Obama is doing must be working. The Dow and the S&P are higher today than they were when the Shrub left office.
djchefron
Nov. 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
This right here is why conservatism is a failure.It is a party of grifters and anyone who believes is nothing more or nothing less a mark
WASHINGTON — Mitt Romney’s campaign has directed $134.2 million to political firms with business ties to his senior staff, spotlighting the tightknit nature of his second presidential bid and the staggering sums being spent in this election.
Nine firms that are run by, or recently employed, top Romney aides have received almost a third of the $435.8 million that Romney’s campaign and a related fundraising committee have spent on operating expenses through Oct. 17, according to a Los Angeles Times analysis of federal election finance reports.
President Obama’s reelection campaign and a joint fundraising committee have paid about $5.8 million in consulting fees to companies with business ties to senior strategists, according to the finance reports.
www.latimes.com/news/na…