Biden: Taxes Will Still Be Less than Under Reagan
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I noticed that the Associated Press story about Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden’s comments about taxes and the wealthy on Good Morning America today, left out an important part of the quote. The part where Biden stressed that yes, the wealthy will pay more taxes, but their taxes will be less than they were under Ronald Reagan.
Biden was asked about Obama’s tax increase on those making more than $250,000, and said, “It’s time to be patriotic, time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut, and the way to do that is, and they are still going to be paying less taxes than they paid under Reagan.” See, the full quote makes a lot more sense, but the ever rightward leaning AP could not be bothered to use the full quote.
Biden said he isn’t nervous about the closeness of the race, “Not at all. Look when 82% of the people think the country is going in the wrong direction, when the same outfit has been in charge for the last eight years, when you are in a position where you have Wall Street crumbling right before our eyes, and hope to God we can prop it up to keep it from spreading to Main Street like a plague. The idea that they are going to reelect somebody that doesn’t have a fundamental disagreement with George W. Bush on the economy, taxes, healthcare, etc, I am not nervous at all.”
The McCain campaign jumped all over this saying that higher taxes and bigger government aren’t patriotic, but Biden never mentioned big government. The Obama camp would be thrilled if the McCain campaign wants to spend their time defending tax cuts for the wealthy. Doing so would be making Obama’s point for him. Of course, the McCain camp is going to try to spin this as Obama wanting to raise taxes on everyone, but the idea that the wealthy have gotten a free ride over the past eight years resonates with a lot of people.
Why can’t Republicans accept a tax right that is in line with those of their high priest Ronald Reagan? I think the past eight years have proven once again that trickledown economics doesn’t work. The plan of tax cuts for the rich, and credit for everyone else, has pushed our economy towards the edge of collapse.
What’s wrong with asking those who have the most to pay their fair share? They have benefitted the most from the past eight years and now it is time to give a little back. This is populist argument that hits home with many people. It is point that the McCain campaign would be foolish to vigorously oppose.
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The GOP just keeps lying
The GOP just keeps lying about Obama's tax plan. It's crazy that anyone lets them get away with that anymore. Obama will lower taxes for 95% of working Americans. Every family making less than $250K will have their taxes lowered with President Obama.
Obama will cut taxes for the middle class while McCain wants even more tax cuts for the rich and for corporations. That's the truth and it needs to be repeated until everyone knows it.
Reagan's Tax Code as Savior
The only way we are going to balance the books in this country is to increase taxes or decrease spending, and with the infrastructure disintegrating and the boomers coming close to retirement that means it is going to be increased taxes.
Perhaps we can persuade the acolytes of ST Reagan to accept a tax increase by saying we are going back to Reagan's good old days by using the tax code from his reign. The fact is that this country has swung so far to the right that the tax code was far more progressive then than it is now.
Ironically if you look at the stats, the economy grows substantially faster under Democratic Presidents, and because of Reagan's spending he left office with a huge budget deficit. Of course no Republicans will believe that...
Reagan lowered taxes... Biden is being deceptive.
I suspect Biden is referring to the level of taxes that the rich were burdened with when Reagan took office. See:
http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php
Reagan inherited a 70% marginal income tax rate on the wealthy. Basically if you made over $215K, you could kiss 70 cents on every dollar you earned over $215,000 goodbye. The trickle down economic plan was to allow the wealthy to keep their money and invest it, creating new businesses, new jobs, etc. He started an economic boom that has worked pretty well for the past few decades.
Unfortunately, congress and the president are completely unable to control their spending addiction and ran up deficits instead. But that's another problem.
By the time Reagan left office, the upper marginal rate was 28%. Clinton pushed it higher, but kept spending like mad. The only reason he could pretend to have a surplus was due to the massive tax revenues from the tech boom. Bush Jr. has futzed around with it, but done little to help citizens or the government.
Obama is going to raise taxes, a lot. He'll push the upper marginal rate up 25% to something like 65% on the very wealthy. This will indeed be less than when Reagan took office, but way, way more than when Reagan left office. It will limit investment, limit jobs, and DO NOTHING TO STOP THE SPENDING.
If history is our guide, congress will see the massive infusion of tax revenues as license to spend 2x more money all over again. It will be a salve on the sucking chest wound that is our economy. It will seem to help, but the addiction to spending and meddling in everything will grow stronger and more dependent.
Meanwhile, we'll all be enslaved to our tax masters.
Personally, I'm working in a software startup trying to make a few million dollars someday. When I make that money, my plan is to self-finance another startup company, creating jobs and some new product that will make me even more money. My ability to do that will be severely impaired if 65% of that money is taken by the feds. California will take another 10%, leaving me with 1/4th the money I earned through huge risk and hard work.
It is a common misunderstanding about people with money. Liberals want you to believe that the rich just roll in their cash, hoard it, and burn the bills for fun. They don't. Rich people buy copious unnecessary stuff. They employ hair stylists at least four time more than the average citizen, they have maids, assistants, cooks, nannies, mechanics, etc. They buy fantastically expensive products like race cars and planes creating revenue for firms that perform research and development. They also buy lots and lots of cheap products because they can... creating revenue for companies than make everyday stuff.
Which do you prefer?
1. Some rich brat spending daddy's money on bling'd out sidekicks, bentleys, handbags, nail salon treatments, day spa, psychologist session, 400 lbs of cold cuts for the afternoon get-together, 50 dvds because they don't know which movie they'll want to watch tonight and so on...
OR
2. A government committee sending her daddy's money overseas to halliburton so they can install rebuild the power plant we blew up a few years ago. Oh, and the bombs to blow up the power plant, money to replace planes that got shot down, bridges to nowhere, 100K to study world of warcraft, etc.
in regard to the above, Yes,
in regard to the above, Yes, the rich buy alot of "stuff" and don't necessarily create jobs: they ship jobs overseas or hire "Cheap" labor here. they do not want the middle class protected with decent minimum wages or health care, they are the Walt-Mart CEO's. Its government's role to protect the middle class, not the rich's job (what they want is to get richer with no government oversight (i.e. Walt-Mart, overseas jobs, the housing fiasco) while middle class suffer,
The smart conservatives would support policies that protect the middle class, because that will help them in the long run also.
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