Fox News host Sheppard Smith has provoked a bit of a civil war over the Holocaust Museum shooting today by saying that the Homeland Security report about right wing extremists was a warning and that it was right. He said the right went bonkers over the report, and then Ralph Peters went on Neil Cavuto’s show to attack Smith for defending the report.
Here is the video of Smith from Media Matters:
Smith said, “You know at the time we got this warning from Homeland Security, and at the time, I mean the right went absolutely bonkers. I mean the wording on it. They’ve all come back on it and said our wording should have been better on that, that was a little weird.….They were warning us for a reason, not for something political, social, or anything else except that they see signs that this sort of thing is bubbling up, they saw the signs, and now it has begun.” Smith called the report a warning to us all and said that DHS was right.
The other side of the coin is Ralph Peters who was on Your World with Neil Cavuto, where he blasted Smith. Here is the video from Media Matters:
Peters said, “Neil, I have got to say something. On Fox News of all places, in the last hour I heard that this tragic incident at the Holocaust Museum somehow validates the disgraceful report from the Department of Homeland Security warning about a terror threat from our returning veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan…It had nothing to do with the Department of Homeland Security report.”
Peters is using the same bad apple defense that the Bush administration used in Abu Ghraib. These are the same statements that were used after the murder of abortion provider George Tiller. In the mind of Peters, Von Brunn was a lone nutcase, but as FNC and the GOP adopts more extreme language, can the bad apple defense still be valid?
Peters tried to falsely frame the DHS report as targeting military veterans. This isn’t true. The report is linked on this page. The report was a warning about the growing threat of right wing extremist groups. Sheppard Smith characterized the report and the right wing’s reaction to it correctly.
Smith also broke with FNC on torture, and I am really starting to question if it isn’t time for him to go find a new job. If he isn’t willing to tout the company line all of the time, then he probably doesn’t belong at Fox News anymore.
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Hey YEAH. I think that he completely deflated that perfectly valid report.
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He needs to stay there. The crowd who watches that channel will always get the one-sided lying view spewed by the channel if people like him leave the network. It’s bad enough as it is, why let it get worse by having him leave.
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[...] and then Ralph Peters went on Neil Cavuto’s show to attack Smith for defending the reportSource:http://www.politicususa.com/en/Holocaust-Museum-FNC Publicado por Aaron en [...]
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The desperate right wing extremists/republican party are finally showing their true colors.
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The shooter is a nut and a menace. Let us all condemn him.
However the report Shepard Smith referred to has no relation to this incident. The shooter is a white supremacist and Nazi. Nazis are left wing, not right. (The word Nazi means, National Socialist. Socialist = left wing).
Somehow the press, and the Democrats, always want to equate extremism with the right wing. However the most murderous and destructive totalitarian regimes in all of human history have been left wing. Nazi Germany, fascist Italy, Stalinist USSR and many years / regimes following, the Khmer Rouge, Castro’s Cuba etc. They were all socialists in some form, and they murdered millions. Collectivists in general do not respect the rights of individuals (that’s what the word “collectivist” means) and feel justified in restricting, harming or killing those individuals whose rights, property etc. are standing in the way of the supposed progress of the collective good.
The threat of violent action by the left wing is far greater than from the right wing.
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The Homeland Security warning was just that: a warning that during tough economic times the increase in phobias and extremes within certain segments of the population were more likely to become manifest in acts of random violence. Von Brunn acted alone and while the crime was premeditated it has been determined that he is not the agent of, or was acting in the interests of, any designated group. What is ironic about the conservative and republican reactions to the report is its claim that it engendered fear where there is cause for none. These critics are most often in the forefront advocating tougher measures to secure the nation from attack both externally and internally. To wit, the Patriots Act and enhanced interrogation techniques were the conservatives’ kneejerk responses to fear and fight. Now they are in churlish retreat, angry over these warnings; ones, formerly, they would see fit to evoke and promote.
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If you’re going to say white supremacists are left wing, I’m going to hurl. The rest of this post is attributed to Wikipedia:
Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right.Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism,[10][11] eugenics, antisemitism, anti-communism, totalitarianism and opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism.[11][12][13]
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this guy was so crazy. she needs to be shot. He was mentally disturbed. This guy did not know what he was thinking about. This was so sad to see.
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Somehow the press, and the Democrats, always want to equate extremism with the right wing. However the most murderous and destructive totalitarian regimes in all of human history have been left wing. Nazi Germany, fascist Italy, Stalinist USSR and many years / regimes following, the Khmer Rouge, Castro’s Cuba etc. They were all socialists in some form, and they murdered millions. Collectivists in general do not respect the rights of individuals (that’s what the word “collectivist” means) and feel justified in restricting, harming or killing those individuals whose rights, property etc. are standing in the way of the supposed progress of the collective good.
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The right wing extremist pundits are spinning this as if the right wing are returning vets from the wars, I am just not buying this. I just sounds like some propaganda from the right. We all need to get in the middle and come up with something as opposed to playing the name game back and forth!
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Such idiots at Fox news. I really find it hard to believe that anyone with an ounce of common sense would listen to anything they have to say.
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Thank you for providing one more tesitimony how you nut cases all flock to Fixed News for your crap. If it’s not totally right wing then you want no part of it. “Fair and Balanced” has been a lie from the start. Fixed News has been sued several times and won their case that under the first amendment they can lie about anything they want.
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However the most murderous and destructive totalitarian regimes in all of human history have been left wing. Nazi Germany, fascist Italy, Stalinist USSR and many years / regimes following, the Khmer Rouge, Castro’s Cuba etc. They were all socialists in some form, and they murdered millions.
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Von Brunn acted alone and while the crime was premeditated it has been determined that he is not the agent of, or was acting in the interests of, any designated group. What is ironic about the conservative and republican reactions to the report is its claim that it engendered fear where there is cause for none. These critics are most often in the forefront advocating tougher measures to secure the nation from attack both externally and internally.
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Faux news is drumming up their ratings by riling their base thereby getting more moderate viewers to tune in as well. DON’T tune in, DON’T view their vid clips, DON’T patronize them in ANY way, PERIOD.
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MR SMITH, how dare you lump this crazed man with our returning heroes, I did not hear you say the black man who shot one of our young soldiers was the same as all black men. Why don’t you just go home and put yourself away somewhere, I will never watch your show again and Fox News is NUTs to have you on air TWICE, sad, Marie
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Anonymous [Holocaust Museum]: Literacy is an important component of modern day society. Obviously, you’re missing that component.
Mr. Shepperd Smith did NOT equate “this crazed man with our returning heroes”. Mr. Ralph Peters made this inference. Let’s refresh for all the illiterates out there:
PETERS said, “…On Fox News of all places [As if FNC cannot tell the truth at least some of the time]…a terror threat from OUR RETURNING VETERANS FROM IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN….”
Keep showing your colors.
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Thank you for providing one more tesitimony how you nut cases all flock to Fixed News for your crap. If it’s not totally right wing then you want no part of it. “Fair and Balanced” has been a lie from the start. Fixed News has been sued several times and won their case that under the first amendment they can lie about anything they want.
Keep sucking the kool ade righties.
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The report says “right wing extremists pose a terror threat” not returning vets from the wars. That’s how the right-wing extremist pundits are spinning it, and obviously you have eaten it up with a spoon, Marie.
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Actually two soldiers were shot,but I guess the Black soldier that was wounded
doesn’t count………….or fit your agenda. Tool.
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… (torture, and now rightwing extremists) it’s obviously time for he and FoxNews to part company.
Murdoch media don’t play dat.
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Good for him for opening his eyes to some of the truth, instead of just touting the party line of Limbaugh and crew. I am sure he’ll do fine at his next job.
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I believe the republican party will view all such crimes as merely colateral damage in achieving their perceived greater good of securing the votes of these extremists by currying favor with the wacko fringe.
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Where are the reports stating that folks who are black and wear NAACP tshirts might be islamic terrorists? Where are the shirts saying that if you are a democrat, you should be on a list of possible pedophiles?( as a majority of pedophiles and felons vote democrat)
Where are the warnings for the folks who wear La Raza Tshirts? (13 Americans are killed each day by illegal immigrants, well over 4,000 a year. Federal prisons population is 40% illegal and the number of rapes, assaults, kidnappings etc excedes the hundreds of thousands )
You see where I am going with this? The world is filled with crazies. Pointing an associative finger at them is ok as long as you are a liberal and have the liberal media on your side, but what if it was not that way?
What if the media swung far right? Like it is going to when the pendulum swings back the other way. And believe me it will. (It has never not swung back and how much and how far will depend on what we do about it now). That is going to be just as wrong and just as sick.
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As a proud member of an agency defending the United States Government in immigration cases, I would like to know where you get your statistics and, more importantly, if you know how to read them.
“Federal prisons [sic] population is 40% illegal….”
That is far from the accurate estimate sir. Whilst there is a large number of both minority and immigrant, to say that such a staggering number is illegal is both vapidly incorrect and clearly a misinformed number.
I understand the idea of pre-conceived notions and you will find any and all statistics geared towards your idea of how things are, but I assure you…you are wrong.
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“Where are the reports stating that folks who are black and wear NAACP tshirts might be islamic terrorists?”
Nowhere, because it’s not true.
“Where are the shirts saying that if you are a democrat, you should be on a list of possible pedophiles?”
Nowhere, because it’s not true.
See, saying that shit is brewing in EXTREMIST groups mean just that. Shit is brewing, and it happens to be from people that adhere to Right wing policies. Are you an extremist? No? Why the fuck do you defend them then? Do you really think that there is no right wing extremists out there?
Whats the difference between the DHS report and Tiller’s murderer’s statement about the fact that more murder where planned? Was he being biased? Was he saying that someone from the hard Left was going to kill an abortionist?
What the fuck is wrong with you? Can’t you accept that some Right Wingers are extremists? You seem to accept thats many Libtards are pedophile, what is the fucking difference?
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The prison population in the US is 14% illegal alien, not 40%.
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Faux news is drumming up their ratings by riling their base thereby getting more moderate viewers to tune in as well. DON’T tune in, DON’T view their vid clips, DON’T patronize them in ANY way, PERIOD.
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So you can stay equally ignorant?
If you’re going to argue against someone, it’s best to know what they’re arguing first.
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Where are the warnings for the folks who wear La Raza Tshirts? (13 Americans are killed each day by illegal immigrants, well over 4,000 a year. Federal prisons population is 40% illegal and the number of rapes, assaults, kidnappings etc excedes the hundreds of thousands
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