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Hypocrisy Oozes From The Threats Against Atheists On Fox News’ Facebook Page
Throughout America’s history and in nearly every era, different political groups have attempted to interpret and align themselves with the original intent of the Founding Fathers. Despite the fact that the Constitution’s Bill of Rights is relatively simple and straight forward, there are still Americans who disregard the Founders’ intent if it does not fit their dysfunctional interpretation and religious inclinations. In particular, the 1st Amendment’s guarantee of religious freedom, establishment of a religion, and freedom of speech have been fiercely challenged by conservatives and theocrats whose stated goal is to change the document to establish Christianity as the State religion and the government into a theocracy.
Conservative Christian fundamentalists who claim to be the ultimate patriotic Americans are undoubtedly the worst offenders at denying non-Christians a voice, and in lieu of laws allowing them to suppress free speech and freedom of religion, are using violent threats against non-believers to intimidate and silence them. The recent publicity of 8,000-plus threats to atheists on Fox News’ Facebook page by Christians is positive proof that not only are those making threats not patriotic Americans who support the 1st Amendment, but they also belie their assertion that they are good Christians.
The threats are the result of a Fox News segment reporting that an atheist group, American Atheists, filed a lawsuit to stop the display of the World Trade Center cross at a memorial of the 9/11 terror attacks. The suit names the city of New York, state of New Jersey, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie as defendants in the case. The group objects to a religious symbol being displayed in a government funded building and cited the 1st Amendment’s separation of church and state as reason for the legal action. The groups’ president, Dave Silverman said, “That any government enshrinement of the cross was an impermissible mingling of church and state.” The cross, consisting of two steel girders from the World Trade Center had been appropriately displayed at a church, but was moved to the 9/11 memorial on July 23, 2011.
Christians had visions that god made the conjoined girders from the rubble into a cross to show that he was with America after the terror attacks on 9/11. Silverman said, ”The WTC cross has become a Christian icon. It has been blessed by so-called holy men and presented as a reminder that their god, who couldn’t be bothered to stop the Muslim terrorists or prevent 3,000 people from being killed in his name, cared only enough to bestow upon us some rubble that resembles a cross. It’s a truly ridiculous assertion.” Whether or not god bestowed the symbol as a reminder that he exists or not is irrelevant; the reaction of the patriotic right wing fundamentalist Christians though, is relevant to demonstrate their hatred of the Constitution and the freedoms it represents.
The good god-fearing Fox News loving Christian fundamentalists threatened atheists with rape and murder for objecting to the government-sponsored religious display. The threats were not limited to the group’s leaders; one representative threat from an elderly female read; “Any court or lawyer who takes this case should be hung,” and that “You have taken enough of my rights away.” Another fine follower of Christ wrote, “If I could, I’d shoot all of you in the head with a 12-gauge shotgun” or “These people are f***ing scum of the Earth. Can we start killing them now? Few groups are filled with more hatred than atheists.” Well, there are no atheists threatening Christians with 12-gauge shotgun blasts to the head, so the level of hatred issue becomes comical if not for the serious and real threat of violence.
The recurring theme of the 8,000-plus hate-filled threats was that the Christians were rabid to shoot, rape, savagely beat, and murder atheists because they object to the unconstitutional use of public funds to display a Christian symbol. The other theme that perfectly represents the hypocrisy of the Christian threats is, “I love Jesus, and the cross and if you don’t, I hope someone rapes you.” There is also the hypocrisy of the patriots who allegedly support the Constitution but have no comprehension that the Founders prohibited the establishment of any religion. The people who made the threats have associated being an American with being a good Christian. One patriotic threat said, “I’m so sick of people that pick and choose when the want to be truly American. If the cross offends you, so should this country; leave before we kill you.”
The vile Fox News Christian threats against atheists belie Jesus’ commandment that his followers were supposed to, “Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you” (Matthew 5:43-48). However, the atheists have not cursed, hated or persecuted the Christians and only want the government to follow the Constitution. The groups’ leader said that if the memorial displayed religious symbols from every religion in America, they would withdraw the lawsuit. There are a majority of Christians who consistently claim they are persecuted by atheists because they object to prayers at public school functions or just by existing. In California there is a huge controversy because an atheist organization bought space on a billboard that said it was acceptable not to believe in a supreme being. There have been death threats and one preacher riled up fundamentalists when he said on a radio program that Christians were sick and tired of atheists throwing their disbelief in Christians’ faces and depriving them of their religious freedom.
The death and rape threats are hideous in and of themselves, but it is disturbing that there is not an outcry from every Christian group and the clergy condemning the violence being advocated by other Christians. In case there is any doubt as to Jesus Christ’s teachings regarding his followers yearning to shoot non-believers in the face with a shotgun, his statement in Matthew 5:9 says, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of god.” It is glaringly apparent that the Christians who made the vile threats and the other Christians who are not condemning them are dangerous and belie their assertion that they are followers of Christ. They are also not American patriots who follow the original intent of the Founding Fathers and it gives insight into exactly why the Founders prohibited the establishment of a state religion.
This incident, although vile and disturbing to decent Americans, gives a clue to what America is going to look like if Christian Dominionists achieve their goal of transforming this country into a theocracy. When the Dominionists are in power, the cowardly threats will look tame compared to the slaughter the Christian fundamentalists will embark on and it should frighten every American. The threats on Fox’s Facebook page were aimed at atheists, but without laws protecting free speech and religious freedom, no religious group will be safe. Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists, Wiccans, and Pagans will be slaughtered for not following the fundamentalist Christian directives. This episode should convince Americans that Christians who make obscene death and rape threats are equal to or exceed the Taliban in Afghanistan and the fact that the Christian clergy are passive participants with their silent approval makes them no different than radical Islamic clerics who promote death to non-believing infidels.
The Founding Fathers’ original intent in the 1st Amendment cannot be any clearer, and yet the alleged patriots and devout followers of Christ disregard the Constitution when it interferes with their dysfunctional religious beliefs. If Christians love the cross and worship it as an icon, that is their prerogative; although the bible’s Ten Commandments forbids any reverence to a symbol regardless of its origin. It does not matter how many Christians live in America, it is not a Christian nation by design of the Founding Fathers. One thing is certain; the people who made the threats and the Christians who are silently advocating violence against atheists are not patriotic Americans and are the antithesis of followers of Christ.
Perhaps the Christ these people worship and love is not the Jesus of the bible because the real Jesus taught forgiveness and peace that neo-Christians in America cannot abide. Unfortunately for non-believers, America is becoming perilously close to a Christian theocracy that will inspire an Inquisition and bloodbath; if it sounds unbelievable, Fox’s Facebook page proves these Christians are ready to slaughter anyone who does not conform or believe. It is just another sign America is devolving into a third-world country where religious fanatics are going to exterminate non-compliant citizens just like the Taliban in Afghanistan.
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Paul
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 10:54 am
It’d be one thing if was real religious belief, but these people don’t give a flyin’ dutchman about the bible, Jesus, or any of it. It’s ALL window dressing; a justsification to hate on anyone who isn’t a white heterosexual American.
Because Jesus was white, dontcha know. NOT from the Middle East.
adrian
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
i would love to see some fox news assholes threaten me. They would probably walk away holding there broken nose. We dont take to kindly to threats in Idaho.
Tidux
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Your state had a bunch of whacko right-wing militias, so I don’t doubt that.
brian
Aug. 12th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Paul – I am a white heterosexual male, and an atheist. Am I not part of those that were threatened? Don’t divert the true focus of what these threats were about.
Do I believe these misguided fools would actually kill us? No, save for a few fanatics. It’s the internet, its how people argue here. The hate is from everyone very real, though.
Adrian – I’m not sure your comment makes us look much better. If you initiate violence, even in response to threats of violence, YOU are wrong.
boil
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 11:28 am
its just like when the Spaniards showed up in south America, and said to the natives who lived there for thousands of years, if you dont accept jesus as lord, right now, we will kill you. and the good xtians did. spanish inquisition too… never-mind that fact that the euros killed a huge amount of that indigenous population from their foreign born virus’. they did that to the native americans too, remember the good xtains would ship blankets purposely infused with smallpox….nice bunch of folk, eh?
if you really need to get a read on the reichwing, just click on a link that drudge has put up, and read the comments sections. especially when it involves the pres, and the first lady.
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Read the Blaze as well, they are worse than C4Palin
Ingarose
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
I used to read those two sites occasionally but I can no longer stomach them. Sometimes I cannot understand that people can be so vile and call themselves christians.
Tidux
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
At first glance, I read that as “they are worse than 4chan” – talk about an accurate Freudian slip!
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
lol
FRJ
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
That’s a very nativist xenophobic view. The Spanish were just hard working immigrants looking to improve their life. They brought diversity and multiculturalism to the Americas.
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
He meant the Spanish who attacked South America. And they were here looking for wealth only. all they brought was death
DannyEastVillage
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Well, I guess stealing indigenous wealth could be seen as looking for a better way of life.
DF
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
They weren’t “purposely infused with smallpox.”
The germ theory of disease didn’t even exist then. They had no way of knowing.
And even then, many of those folk might quite sensibly have thought they DIDN’T have the disease, since the healthy Europeans were the ones who had developed resistance. They were ignorant carriers.
Lee
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Bullshit. They knew from the smallpox epidemics in Europe that blankets and clothing used by someone who had smallpox could give someone else smallpox.
J Finley
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
You are indeed correct – it wasn’t the Spaniards in South America. The “smallpox blankets” incident didn’t happen until 1763, in North America, and there is some doubt as to whether any Native Americans were indeed infected by blankets or by other, more natural means, being as how the disease was already present in the area. What isn’t in dispute is that the strategy was discussed – the letters between General Jeffrey Amherst and Colonel Henry Bouquet make that clear. Just thought I’d point that out.
John Horstman
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 12:44 am
Also, the earliest (surviving) recorded form of a germ theory of disease (though not THE Germ Theory of Disease) in Europe dates to the 1500s, from the writings of Girolamo Fracastoro, who saw things like clothing as transmission vectors for illness.
Also, FRJ’s comment is either a self-aware ironic inversion of anti-imperialist rhetoric or it’s lacking in self-awareness to the extent of obtuseness; in either case, responding to it (with anything other than “lol”) isn’t really going to be productive.
FRJ
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
One wonders whether conservatives know Christianity at all. The meek shall inherit the earth, turn the other cheek, love your enemies, a rich man shall hardly enter the kingdom, etc. — Christianity is a left-wing religion. Nietzsche figured this out over a century ago, “Christianity is nothing more than the typical socialist doctrine.”
John Horstman
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 1:01 am
The Christian Bible is a study in self-contradiction (not surprising when one considers that it was cobbled together from writings of dozens of authors spread across cultures and centuries); it didn’t get rid of any of the stone the fornicators and kill the infidels stuff, either, and Jesus clearly re-affirms the dogmatic validity of the sections of the Torah contained in the Christian Bible. The ecumenical councils were pretty smart: a religion is a much more useful tool of social/political control if one can represent it as supporting ANY particular position for which one wants support by selectively quote-mining the holy text. Too, when one’s currency is forgiveness doled out by the agents of one’s political hierarchy, it’s useful to ensure that everyone is a sinner, even those who wish to follow every biblical line religiously, by creating contradictory prescriptions, therefore maintaining the ongoing necessity of the church.
I do agree with Nietzsche’s assessment, but it’s trivial: any society not characterized by a wealth of surplus goods is necessarily socialist in nature, as humans need collective action and communities in order to survive (an individual human gets e.g. mauled by a bear in short order, before we got rid of most of the bears, that is). It’s hardly surprising that Stone Age and Bronze Age social philosophies would tend to be heavily socialist in nature, particularly by the standards of post-Enlightenment Europe.
Mark Bousquet
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
“The good god-fearing Fox News loving Christian fundamentalists threatened atheists with rape and murder for objecting to the government-sponsored religious display.”
If it looks like the mob at Sodom… sounds like the mob at Sodom… threatens like the mob at Sodom.. it must be the mob at Sodom! :) Only if we could turn this mirror on them that maybe some will see.
Brown cow
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
That does it. I’m starting a savings account now to get out of this country if the Christiban takes over.
mathazar
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
You would be welcome here in Australia, our Prime Minister (Julia Gillard) is an atheist.
crane123
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
My family has already started the process for getting our passports…I am seriously concerned…
AcidQueen
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Eff that! I’m not leaving–I’m fighting back! If the Talibangelicals take over, I will not hesitate to defend my stead against any Talibangelical that attacks it.
My family didn’t shed blood on this continent for the last 200+ years just so I could bail.
Lori
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
This is a great article….very scary. It is exactly what Leah Burton writes about daily on her blog: www.godsownparty.com/blog. Wake up, America!
Leah Burton
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Here is a lovely hate mail from a “Christian Patriot” received today…aimed at all of us at Military Religious Freedom Foundation.
“Who are you to tell the rest of us how to live? What a whiny-ass, bed wetting POS you must be to insist the AF and entire country live by YOUR personal standards. NO WHERE in the constitution does it demand separation of church and state, and someday we’ll have a leader with backbone enough to stand up to haters like you.May God have mercy on your satan filled soul.”
These are daily – and they escalate after I do a radio show as I did yesterday on the Allan Handelman Show out of Charlotte, N.C.
And people accuse me of making this threat of extremism up…I only wish this was fiction!
AcidQueen
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Leah, it doesn’t surprise me–The Theocratic Republic of Charlotte-Mecklenburg is one place I avoid like the plague, because I hold out little hope of assistance should I be assaulted for wearing the Hammer in public there.
Lowkey
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
I’d like to point out that Mormons are also Dominionists and that two of the Republican presidential contenders are also Mormon.
JahLove63
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Lord, protect me from your followers.
matt
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
This is for you really religous americans and only those you that have no tolerance for others,GOD doesn’t exist – J
JEB
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Gary (Scary) North says that homosexuals should be stoned to death. “You’ll notice” he said, “there’s no shortage os stones”. Some Dominionist Roman Catholic priest said that his church’s finest hour was during the Inquisition, so this really shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone, eh? The Reconstructionists/Dominionists have longed to create hell on earth for those who disagree with them for a long, long time and, perhaps, aided by the stupidity and lack of education of so many Americans they’ll finally get their chance. Blood will run in the streets and they will rejoice because JESUS has prevailed!!
Mikeyhatesit
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
I’m sure the website Fundies Say the Dumbest Things will have a nice selection of those hatriot quotes; and even better they will be dissected thoroughly down to each hypocritical and ignorant atom…
Reynardine
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
I missed the golden opportunity to miss all five thousand remarks, having had only a glance at the screen grab at News Hounds, but even a pagefull was especially tasty. Of particular interest was the comment suggesting that whoever objects to the exhibition of the WTC Cross should first be whipped till his skin came off, then have a barbwire crown pressed down on his head, and then be crucified on the same cross… with extensive, gloating detail. Not only were such comments published, but nothing contradicting them was ever posted. Perhaps Fox would not allow contradiction, or perhaps those who disagreed were afraid they’d be pointed out to the bloodthirsty mob, followed, and lynched. Either explanation bodes ill for our democracy.
Rupert Murdoch, the Mouth of Sauron, created this atmosphere of stochastic terror. He was almost brought to bay, and then a financial massacre in the U.S. and a literal one in Norway took our eye off him. He, or those whose Goebbels he is, could have engineered both. We can’t let him get away, and then it’s time to turn the spotlight on those behind him.
Reynardine
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Meant: missed the opportunity to read all eight thousand…
Project: Amnion
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.” Gandhi
Perhaps we’re all looking and inferring everything the wrong way. Shouldn’t life, religion, and basically everything we do be for the main good of others? War is Over. If you want it.
Matchboy
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
I do not for a moment support these hypocritcal so-called Christians; what I do find interesting, though, is that the author, who supports secular humanist causes, cites scripture to illustrate that hypocrisy. Why noy cite some secular humanist writings instead?
Raf
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 12:53 am
Because then it would be demonstrating hypocrisy, would it…
Tripper
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 4:48 am
You’re missing the point of the citations. Saying these hate-filled hypocrites are going against secular humanist writings would be pointless. Showing how they are in violent opposition to the tenants of their own supposed faith points up the fact that they’re really just mindless sheep being led around by the noses by power hungry psychopaths using religion as their instrument of control over those unable to think for themselves.
All due respect, but I kind of think it would be a good idea for you to look up the definition of hypocrisy if you’re not getting the idea on this.
Kathy Trisdale
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
I’m calling on Facebook to enforce their terms of service, item number 5, and suspend each one of these users’ accounts. Leaving even one, (so far Sindy Clock still has hers) indicates that Facebook values revenue over my life, or simply advocates killing atheists. I call on everyone to consider this, petition Facebook to enforce it’s rules, or leave the network. Remaining with Facebook means I am ok with all of this.
AcidQueen
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 11:49 am
I sent her a polite message expressing my unhappiness with her comment and saying that it was a slap in the face to all rape survivors that she would wish such a horrible fate on those who do not share her belief system.
I have yet to receive a response.
Cathy
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Fox needs to be officially identified as a hate group.
Reynardine
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
I just suggested that at the SPLC Hatewatch, and if you have access to that site, I suggest you do the same.
Rick Barker
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
The part that interests me the most of all this, is that at no point does anyone identify themselves as Christian, stating that they do not support what is being said. I understand that when something like this is posted that mostly ppl who believe in what is being said actually read/post about it, but with the volatile nature of this writing, I would imagine someone would stand up and say something to the effect of “I think it’s awesome that they want to put the cross up, but I don’t support the things being said about ppl who don’t feel likewise” [this is NOT how I feel, I'm just saying what I would expect to hear at SOME point!] and yet nowhere is even a single voice saying this is inappropriate…that simply saddens me.
Lageorgia
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
I cringe to think that these so called “Christians” claim my God, Jesus, of love and compassion, as their hate filled god.
Love one another, feed my people, cloth my people, treat others better than you treat yourseves. I guess this has been edited out of the GOPTPer’s Bible handboo
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
they are tea buggery christians. guns, baby jebus and camping out
mel in oregon
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
christianity has a history of being the most violent religion of them all. the inquistion, the crusades, burning of old women as witches, enslavery of at least 300 million africans, genocide of new world natives by the christian europeans. when you think of what hitler, stalin, & mao did to the “undesirables” you realize it could happen here & will if liberals & non christians don’t fight back. you don’t turn the other cheek with this crowd, you make damn sure you’re the best warrior around.
A Walkaway
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
They’re already committing violence. Unless it gets too obvious and extreme, it goes unreported (by the media) and often ignored by law enforcement.
They don’t even see themselves or how ugly and un-Christ-like they’ve become.
Lia
Aug. 10th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Ohhhh…I get it…. Guess I’m a big slow on the uptake today. I thought that you all were talking about Muslims…I’m just so used to hearing people complain about all of the perceived hatred, violence and death threats coming from Muslims, that I completely missed that you all were talking about *Christians*. Forgive my confusion, please…it all sounds so much alike, it can be hard to tell the difference….
A Walkaway
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 10:57 am
I think it needs to be said that those people also attack Christians. I know a lot of people, who like myself are Christians and consider the Religious Right/Fundamentalists/Dominionists to be anti-Christians. I’ve posted on other threads the things those “Good Christians” (as apposed to REAL Christians) have done to us. There are a lot of walkaways who are still Christian and fear the churches they left (and who had suffered violence because they’d walked). A lot are too scared to tell what those “Good Christians” did to them. Shoot, I’m afraid but I understand that If I DON’T speak out, it will be easier for them to keep winning. As long as I tell my story, I’m still resisting their attempts to take over the country.
A Walkaway
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 11:12 am
This wasn’t a reply specifically to Lia… I thought I was posting it as a general reply to the thread.
Dave
Aug. 11th, 2011 at 1:52 am
These people treat their politics the same way they treat the Bible, pick and choose what they want to listen to and see depending on the situation, and ignore the rest at all costs. Politics is just another religion to them, and the Tea Party is another Jesus.
xevo
Aug. 14th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
And then there’s Dennis Markuze.