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Fox News Turns on Romney and Criticizes His Impossible Tax Cut Math
Fox News Sunday’s Chris Wallace turned on the Romney campaign today, called out their bogus 6 studies statistic and criticized their tax cut math that doesn’t add up.
Here is the video:
Transcript:
WALLACE: All right, let’s talk about what David Axelrod brought up in the question of taxes. In the vice presidential debate, Paul Ryan, once again, got roughed up for failing to explain how you’re going to pay for the 20% cut in tax rates by limiting deductions. Let’s take a look. Here it is.
RYAN: We want to work with congress on how best to achieve this, that means successful. What we are saying, lower tax rates 20%, start with the wealthy, work with congress to do it.
WALLACE: Ryan is saying, we don’t want to get hemmed in. Let’s leave it to negotiations with congress to get into the details. Here’s my question. Why is it all right to tell voters about the candy – hey, everybody is going to get a 20% tax cut, cut in their tax rates, but let’s not tell them about the spinach, which is you’re going to lose some deductions?
GILLESPIE: We have talked about losing deductions…
WALLACE: But you haven’t given specifics.
GILLESPIE: Well, because Chris, in a campaign environment, to start negotiating in a campaign environment you’re going to lock in republicans, you’re going to lock in democrats…
WALLACE: But you locked them in on the 20% tax rate.
GILLESPIE: I think people understand that that is a broad principle, that that tax rate needs to come down and we need to broaden the base. That is the principle, the principle is also that we are not going to change the share of taxes paid by upper income earners, and we’re going to give tax relief to the middle class and it’s going to be deficit neutral. You can do all of those things and have people understand that this election was about this and we need this kind of pro-growth tax reform agenda. And, then work out the details in the same way, by the way, Ronald Reagan did with Tip O’Neill with working across the aisle. Governor Romney has a proven record of being able to work across this aisle.
WALLACE: But you’re not explaining – because there are a lot of question from independent people – how do you pay for it? And you refuse say how you’re going to pay for it.
GILLESPIE: What we have said is that we are going to pay for it with these, by limiting deductions and loopholes – and, by the way, making sure for the middle class, that protecting the home mortgage deduction and other important deductions for them, but at the high end you would eliminate deductions and, you know, a lot of special interest loopholes that would allow you to bring down the rate 20%. Six different studies have said this is entirely doable.
WALLACE: Those are questionable, some of them are blogs, some of them are from the AEI, which is hardly an independent group.
GILLESPIE: These are very credible sources…
WALLACE: One of them is from a guy who is – from a blog from a guy who was a top advisor to George W. Bush. These are hardly nonpartisan studies.
GILLESPIE: Well, Chris, I think if you look at Harvard an AEI and other studies, they are very credible sources for economic analysis.
WALLACE: You wouldn’t say that AEI is a conservative think tank?
GILLESPIE: I would say it is a right-leaning think tank. That doesn’t make it not credible.
WALLACE: Chris: It doesn’t make it nonpartisan.
GILLESPIE: It does make it nonpartisan. It’s not a partisan organization, I can tell you, there have been many instances where there have been things that AEI has come out with and said, that I didn’t find to be necessarily helpful to the Republican Party.
Fox News has been complaining about the fact that Romney won’t give them specifics since the general election campaign started, but Chris Wallace’s tough stance on Ed Gillespie shows how exasperated they have become with Romney.
What the Romney campaign doesn’t get is that Fox News is on their side, and would spin any details they gave them in a way that would help the Romney campaign. Romney could announce that he is going pay for his tax cut by cutting all food assistance to children and seniors, get rid of Head Start, and he is will be charging everybody $25 a year for the right to use the words United States and Fox News would still spin it in his favor.
It was also a bit surreal to see Chris Wallace do what most of the supposedly “neutral” mainstream media won’t do, by calling out Romney’s 6 studies statistic as completely bogus.
The reality is that Roger Ailes and Fox News see Romney’s lack of details as one of his major weaknesses. They know it could cost him the election. They are trying their best to help Romney out, but the Republican nominee’s campaign is either too paranoid or stupid to accept their assistance.
It is looking like the real reason why Mitt Romney won’t give the details about his tax plan is because there aren’t any. Romney might actually be telling the truth when he states that he is going to figure it out later with the Congress, but figuring it out later with the Congress is also political code for, “we’re not going to pay for this,” and that is a truth that the Romney campaign desperately does not want to admit.
The Fox News/Romney marriage should never be described as good. Much like most of the right, they are supporting Romney because he is the nominee. Chris Wallace’s questioning of Gillespie was more proof that Mitt Romney doesn’t trust Fox News, and Fox News doesn’t trust Mitt Romney.
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MikeInFl
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
STOP THE LIES VOTE OBAMA
GILLESPIE: “Governor Romney has a proven record of being able to work across this aisle”.
claimed he had a bipartisan record as Governor, but history tells another story. In 2006, his last year as Massachusetts’ Governor (in which he was absent more than half of the year), Romney issued 250 vetoes, all of which were overturned by what the Romney camp dubbed a “hostile” legislature. It’s not just Democrats who didn’t get along with Romney, though.
Most of Romney’s vetoes were overturned, sometimes unanimously. Romney used the vetoes to claim he was a budget hawk, but in addition to his budget vetoes, he also vetoed a bill to raise the minimum raise, a stem cell bill and a bill to make the morning after pill available over the counter, among others. All were overridden. The Concord Monitor, observing Romney’s “frosty relations with legislators” noted in 2007 that this, “effectively remov(ed) Romney from the final stage of the state’s budget process.”
www.politicususa.com/romn...
turtle
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
After yelling at the TV for weeks now why did it take Fox News to finally do this type of interview? Complete with “blog” and the quality if the study follow ups. Almost every time I watch CNN I can’t help but think they are pro Republican too.
Like so much of the corrupt corporate world these days it seems media has a greater value in ratings and their own bottom line than in true nonpartisan reporting. So many of them speak with loaded words and a filtering of perspective…
I can’t but help but wonder if the concentration of biased reporting and information will move beyond their control and in the end destroy the essence of our amazing country.
Every dollar we spend if a vote just as important as how each of our votes.
… Bank vs Credit Union
… Walmart vs other retailers
… Fresh veggies vs mass produced
… Our personal energy use
… etc….
Judy Wood
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Spin, Spin, Spin, Romney spins more than a Maytag Washer. If Romney wind lord help us all, except for the upper 1%.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
6 studies? Right.
Mittens has already said he is dropping the tax cuts on the rich. Not deficit nuetral. The loopholes dont come close to adding up.
Why are people voting for this guy?
Anne
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
The hatred the right feels for President Obama is motivating them. Because they have a win-at-any-cost mentality, they are quite willing to tolerate Willard’s flip-flops and flagrant falsehoods. Those who know better are engaging in the worst kind of cynicism, while there are others who haven’t thought out the inevitable ramifications of Romney-Ryan policies.
Older_Wiser
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I’m sure this is because FN wasn’t let in on the particulars and are peeved, not because they particularly care if the middle class goes to hell from paying more
Ray Coleman
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
These republican lie so mush they’re starting to believe their own lies Paul Ryan got caught lying about his STIMULUS package. When is all is lying going to STOP with the Republican Party.
RMuse
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
For crying out loud, Romney and Ryan have both said they don’t know which deductions will be limited, but they did promise they will come from a big limit on “Itemized Deductions.” Guess what the two largest deductions the great majority of taxpayers list on Schedule A (Itemized deductions)? Medical expenses (health insurance) and mortgage interest. That will hit every middle class homeowner and American who pays for health insurance. There’s the detail. Now, can we please get out the vote and stop wondering how Willard’s going to pay for his tax cuts for the rich when they’ve told us for months how they’ll do it?
Joe A
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
And….. you realize that even if you take away all of the deductions and subsidies outside of the three you mentioned, it doesn’t even come close to adding up to the lost revenues from his proposed tax cut? So where does the magic money come from? Adding to the deficit and/or cutting of those 3 programs you mentioned they won’t cut.
Now do you see why people say the math doesn’t add up?
Reynardine
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Broadening the base is also code for “soak the poor”, which probably means making sure that people who don’t have enough to live on are taxed (those vile 47% “takers”, you know)
patsy soto
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
If Fox News is taking the GOP talking points man to task for the “Non Tax Plan”, then that really tells me something- Fox NEVER disputes ANYTHING that the GOP says or tells them- but they are grilling them on the numbers, and they do not believe what they are being told. I have always felt that this election, for all we have heard about the closness of it- may well be close to a blowout, because Romney is a man that no one can trust, or believe in anything he has said. The very people that might have voted for him have been tagged as the 47%, and people don’t forget things like that- or forgive it.
Jeanette Fleming
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
It’s about time Fox news reported something News worthy…at least one truth of evidence ..proven again, that repulicans are running a garbage campaign, full of lies and fluff, trying to Con the American people that they have the answers…all one needs to do is look at their personal record of facts, and you get an understanding of what their trying to do to America,for personal gain. The Recovery Act saved and created millions of jobs and cut taxes for 95% of the American people. In the last 29 months the economy has produced about 4.5 million private sector jobs. But last year, the Republicans blocked the President’s jobs plan costing the economy more than a million new jobs. Those are proven facts…no fluff..The senior GOP members plotted to bring Congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the American Economy …ask yourself who is it that started the downfall of America, and who have continued to obstruct all efforts to bring it back to order w/protections in place to keep it from going under! Stop slinging mud long enough to realize you’ll have to live with another new war, no medical Ins,no So.Sec., no help for college students, and no help for our sons coming home after War… the only people that will thrive will be the elite Rich Wall street guys…Don’t send our babies into another War…we can keep that 850billion here in America..check yourself before you wreck yourself and AMERICA…OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
D. W. Skinner
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
alot of journalists trying to save their jobs after backing a man they now know is gonna lose.
Michelle
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Kudos to Wallace for being a real journalist, at least for a moment. Now let’s see a lot more of this on Fox (and elsewhere)! Let’s “believe in America” again!
Bigsweezer
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Mike Wallace(ex-host of “60 minutes”) is a authentic journalist who just happens to be on Faux news. He did not lean right when FauxNews decided to make that political stance. He’s gritty, informed, and enforces clarity of the facts. Pay attention how Wallace asks if GOP economic analysis is partisan, when Gillespie is trying to imply ‘creditability’ to legitimize the data. (Wallace would make a good moderator.) I don’t give a @#$% about the rest of Hannity-like soundbite twisting, hate-inducing, radical self-interest windbags. They should be ashamed to call themselves a legitimate source of news, when they know they are deliberately b.-essing the FauxNews audience to promote their own agenda.
Bigsweezer
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
correction…Mike Wallace (60 minutes) is father of Chris Wallace . Sorry about the mix-up
her
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
this article is about CHRIS wallace, not mike wallace!
Chris Ivey
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Sending out a hand of thanks to Mr. Mike Wallace for not insulting America’s intelligence ….. This is Journalism at its best….
Jenny K
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
To answer the question as to why Fox News is NOW asking these hard-hitting questions……people are turning the channel.
Their viewers want to know what the specifics are. They are scared that they are going to lose their mortgage deduction. They are worried they are going to lose the very small deduction they get for their children. Just like the rest of us they live hand to mouth and can’t afford to pay anymore. They WANT to know Mitt Romney won’t touch these much needed tax breaks, and if Fox News doesn’t answer these questions for them they’ll turn to a station that will — I.E. MSNBC.
Robert D. Reynolds
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
I find this a very interesting discussion from someone from Fox. I like the fact that he never got a honest answer. This has been the theme from the Romney/Ryan campaign from the start. Talk big but give no specifics on any thing. Tax returns from Mitt? Military record? Abortion stance? 47% not for him he doesn’t need them or care about them? Try to get them to talk truthfully is joke. Thank you Fox News for this article.
anna lovelady
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Thanks for exposing & getting down to the real truth about m. Rooney fony liesto Americans how dare he at a crusual time in our life. BRING BACK AMERICA!! From hell! and work is not finish yet.
For me right now! It breaks my heart to see a particular commercial on amnestyrights.org where our men are traped in dug holds holding guns still in danger wanting to be brought home! Roomney talks of war !! Thank U for helping to shut the LIES UP! !!!,
Heidi A Wilkinson
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
We know that Mr. Romeny will do and say anything to get elected. It is documented. I want to know why the race is so close.
This contiues to say to me that people will not vote for our Pres becasue they don’t want a certain type of person in the White House.
patti a.
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
The lemmings have to vote their party line, no matter who will lead them and how bad he will do so.
Is the house of cards finally swaying?
Praying for a blue landslide.
Kalar Walters
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Romney DOES NOT have a record for ‘reaching across the aisle!’ Massachusetts was better off at the end of his term IN SPITE of Romney, not because of him. Romney is flim-flam man, a grifter, a scammer. He lies as easily as he breathes!
www.politicususa.com/romn...
Kalar Walters
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
P.S. Canada denied FOX news a license because they lack journalistic integrity. They’re trying to grab some of that back. They’re a propaganda machine; shock jocks and rabble rousers. Finding one little speck of daylight in their interviews and/or commentaries does not repair their image in my mind. I watched them years ago until I figured out what they were doing.
Dennis
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
It will add up because ,as Ryan said, theywill start with the rich.. The kill all middle class deductins and services. simple!
Steve Omand
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Ryan and Romney are a pair of liars and anyone who believes their fairy tale about cutting taxes and balancing the budget at the same time is an idiot.
christina
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Aside from all the arguing over credibility of statistics, I’m a bit confused.
So Romney will cut taxes 20% for everyone. And to make it revenue neutral, Romney will limit deductions.
First, what is the point of revenue neutrality on taxes if the point of paying taxes is to reduce the deficit?
Next, I may be wrong but here’s how this appears to me. Tax rate of 13% cut by 20% to 11.6% sounds good. So my tax is 11.6% on my adjusted income. In 2010 I had $8500 in itemized deductions for a taxable income of $18340. After Romney’s changes I will lose the $8500 deduction which would INCREASE my taxable income to $26840 taxed at my lowered rate of 11.6%
In effect, I end up paying more in taxes at a lower tax rate. WTF?
How am I paying less taxes if the deductions I depend on to lower my taxable income are eliminated or reduced?
Am I the only one struggling to see how Romney’s plan would benefit me?
Sean Fox
Oct. 15th, 2012 at 10:37 am
A 20% reduction from 13% takes the rate down to 10.4%, not 11.6%
Tax before $18,340 @ 13% = $2,384
Tax after $26,840 @ 10.4% = $2,792
Still worse off by over $400 though.
Thing is, it works for rich people who save a hell of a lot more on the 20% cut than they lose on the deductions.
End result – more income for the 1%, less for the 99%, same as it ever is with the GOP
Corey Lassiter
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
What people seem to forget is that Romney was the front runner to be John McCain’s VP, until he showed those tax returns. Then he lost out to Sarah Palin. Do you want a man who lost out to S-a-r-a-h P-a-l-i-n to be your President! John McCain thought Sarah Palin was a better choice. If he wins then we are ALL in trouble. Except for the very rich!!!!!!!
Wade
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
It’s good to see Chris Wallace and FOX do a *little* bit of actual journalism. : )
mike scelza
Oct. 14th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
romney does love to tell how he reached across the aisle. only to have the fact checkers prove otherwise..then you add in the FACT…that in romneys last year of governor of Massachusetts, his approval rating was a whopping ..lol..36%. atta boy mitt …you go..like go use a few Ben franklins in the cayman islands to wipe your tears and blow your nose. your like pinochio..your nose is growing so ya may need to use more Ben Franklins.
JACQUELINE .
Oct. 15th, 2012 at 12:25 am
I am proud of you Chris Wallace and your stance against Mitten.
Continue to have your father to be proud of you Chris. >>>><<<<
Peter R Payne
Oct. 15th, 2012 at 12:37 am
Wow, go Fox news. I need to watch the Daily Show’s coverage of this.
majii
Oct. 15th, 2012 at 12:53 am
Jonathan Alter shared on Twitter that the Romney campaign told him that it will not discuss the specifics of his economic plan until AFTER the election, yet, there are millions of jackasses planning to vote for their own demise by voting for him next month.
“Romney team says no tax specifics til after election. It’s like Nixon’s “secret plan to end Vietnam war”-and with same disastrous results.”
twitter.com/jonathanalter...
Maurice Ehrlich
Oct. 15th, 2012 at 2:16 am
Hatred of Obama and succumbing to an Ego that makes you vote against your lifestyle does not say much about your intelligence…
Romney is secretive man….noisy and loud and very articulate…..he does not want you to see his taxes……He does not want you to know how he is going to reduce taxes 20%…..He does not tell you how we are going to increase military spending by $2T….
He is the man Eisenhower warned you about….we just went through the neo-con war that GWB blindly took us into….Hell, you have not heard from him or about him from these Republican stalwarts…..they have to go back to the 80′s to find something they think they can talk about favorably….
We have a chance to get back to creating a country we were robbed of building due to the lost decade of George Bush and the neocons…
These are the guys in Romneys advisory board today….mostly Bush guys…
The GOP terms since 1980 has cost this nation $13T…Reagan $4T HWG Bush $2T GW Bush $7T including Tarp and wars not paid for, and carried forward for Obama to clean up…
How in the world do you justify living the middle class American lives and values and vote for this same stupid stuff?
…..You are not just part of the 47%, you are all of it….and part of the next 47% as well…..You are not in Romney or Bush’s league…Quit saving for your own car elevator….it ain’t coming…
Brenda K
Oct. 15th, 2012 at 7:44 am
This all reminds me of George Bush’s campaign promise “read my lips, no taxes” which was quickly changed to “no NEW taxes” after he was elected. Please make an intelligent, informed decision when voting in this election. As far as Romney working with a democratic legislature….I’m pretty sure that the politicos he worked with in Mass. did not have the sole intention of making sure he was not re elected…such as many members of the legislatures in our capital have done to Pres. Obama.
Paws
Oct. 15th, 2012 at 7:58 am
It boggles my mind how anyone who is not in the 1% is voting for Romney/Ryan.
Look at the Ryan budget, see what he wants to do. That’s what Romney supports. It will be catastrophic for this country if these two get into the Oval Office.
Obbop
Oct. 15th, 2012 at 10:07 am
The ruling elites and corporate USA will only allow alterations within the federal government those entities acceptable to them.
The president is a mere lackey figurehead of those who will immensely reward him and his family after departing office.
All legal; it is how the game is played.
Just keep on believing your federal-level vote can make any real difference in the federal government.
Keep bleating your contentment you well-brainwashed citizen-sheep.
Steve
Oct. 15th, 2012 at 11:40 am
It is indeed surreal to see Chris Wallace call out Romney like this. Well done, Chris.
Moondaddy666
Oct. 15th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Chris Wallace is a shmuck and a lap dog for the FOX so called news channel…
MattyMatt
Oct. 16th, 2012 at 9:38 am
They are all idiots…everyone knows 2+2=3
Loylamerican
Oct. 23rd, 2012 at 4:10 am
The real question needed to be asked if Gov Romney is so successful reaching across the aisle is why did he leave Mass with only a 34 percent approval rate?