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Fundamentalist Says Refrigeration Removes Sin. Tough Luck Gays and Lesbians!
By: Hrafnkell HaraldssonJan. 25th, 2013more from Hrafnkell Haraldsson
“Disturbances in society are never more fearful than when those who are stirring up the trouble can use the pretext of religion to mask their true designs.”
- Denis Diderot, Observations on the Drawing Up of Laws (1774)
Atheists and others (including me) like to ask why fundamentalist Christians believe they can violate God’s laws as laid out in Leviticus, but focus only on homosexuality as an abomination. According to Leviticus, eating shellfish or shaving is every bit as much an abomination as a man laying with another man. Well, look no further. According to Oklahoma Pastor James Taylor, who sat down for an interview with Peter LaBarbera of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality (AFTAH) the key is refrigeration [click HERE to listen if your stomach is strong enough]:
LaBarbera: The first thing on the pink sheet says, it takes Leviticus 18:22, ‘You shall not lie with a male as with a woman, it is an abomination,’ Leviticus 20:13, ‘If a man lies with a man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they should be put to death.’ The analysis put forth by this Kathy McCallie of the Church of the Open Arms said that ‘these verses are part of a law code listing this that are forbidden, however, according to Leviticus it is also sinful to eat pork, shrimp, clams or oysters, these texts cannot be used to condemn homosexual behavior unless one is prepared to condemn all these behaviors.’ So they are trying to mix that in, comment on that James.
Taylor: There’s a couple problems with that. Some things are cultural and there are also some things that have happened now in terms of refrigeration and health concerns and those are some of those things that are there. But the reality is it doesn’t change the fact that God has said a man shall not lie with a male like a woman and vice versa and he uses the word abomination, which is the strongest word in the Bible for hate that you can come across. So that’s the problem, they want to pick and choose what they want to have and then to dismiss it as this isn’t what the Bible says, it’s foolishness.
What is hilarious is Taylor’s claim that OTHERS want to “pick and choose what they want to have.” Seems to me if anybody is picking the choosing which laws to obey and which to ignore, it is people like Taylor. Similarly, they will put words in God’s mouth, as Bryan Fischer did the other day, saying women in combat defies God’s will. Where, exactly, does God forbid women in combat?
God didn’t say anything about refrigeration. Being a perfect being, Taylor can’t claim God couldn’t anticipate refrigeration. Of course he could, and did; perfection is perfection after all. This prompts the question: why didn’t God say these foods were verboten UNLESS…? Taylor doesn’t know what God had against pork and shellfish. Taylor can’t read God’s mind (and if God can read Taylor’s he has my sympathy). How much better for the soul than the alleged Christian Taylor is the atheist Denis Diderot!
Taylor has made a choice that is God’s alone to make, that is, to say I can ignore this law IF circumstance X. But the Bible doesn’t allow for exemptions. Leviticus 11:10 does not say,
But everything in the seas and the streams that does not have fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and among all the other living creatures that are in the waters – they are detestable to you, unless you refrigerate them.
It says “and detestable they shall remain.”
Like, as in forevermore. I think Leviticus 11:10 is a pretty unequivocal rejection of shellfish under any circumstances. Taylor, on the other hand, is guilty of bad theology. Refrigeration protects against food-borne illness. It does not protect against sin.
According to the Bible he says he follows, Taylor has broken God’s law and is guilty of behavior as abominable as any man to have laid with another man. Every Christian has, if the laws in Leviticus are indeed held to be God’s law.
I have written many times of fundamentalist Christian moral relativism. These people claim to believe in a rock-hard, inflexible Capital-T Truth, but as the Catholic Church has recently shown, a fetus is only a person if it is convenient to them. There is no inflexible, unchanging truth at all for the Catholic Church, nor is there for Taylor. Their religion is a bait and switch, a huge scam, and Taylor is a confidence man, someone who, as Wikipedia defines it, “exploits characteristics of the human psyche such as dishonesty, honesty, vanity, compassion, credulity, irresponsibility, naïveté, or greed.”
Sadly, there are all too many angry old (and young) white men who nod their heads sagely when they hear Taylor. They don’t want to be inconvenienced by having to throw out their razors or foregoing their Christmas hams or their weekly trip to Red Lobster. As usual with regard to fundamentalist doctrine, they get to hear what they want to hear. They can have their Evangelical Thomas Jefferson and eat ham and oysters while doing it.
Taylor failed to see the irony in his own words when, reflecting on a summit about health care and the LGBT community, he said,
LaBarbera: How ironic that a conference that’s supposed to be about substance abuse actually promoted a behavior which leads to disease.
Taylor: It promoted criminal behavior and they were given false information about the reliability of condoms.
LaBarbera, of course, agreed:
LaBarbera: I was walking around at that conference and I remember a table, I took a picture of it, with a bunch of pamphlets about smoking. It’s just bizarre to see them all concerned about preventing smoking because that’s dangerous and yet they are promoting homosexuality and even gender confusion, promoting these awful sex changes where the body is mutilated to become something you cannot be, the other sex.
These men don’t see that they are lamenting a Biblically abominable behavior while promoting another Biblically abominable behavior.
It is sad that so many so-called Christians are willing to misrepresent what they claim is the will of the God they worship. There are Christians who recognize the anachronisms in the Bible, who take a more progressive approach to their belief. Taylor and LaBarbera want it both ways, to ignore laws they see as inconvenient and embrace those that excuse their bigotry. It is bad enough that they insist on being dishonest hypocrites themselves, but to try to force their sins on the world in the name of some capital-T Truth is beyond the pale, and not just because it is a violation of the United States Constitution.
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Anthony
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
There is also a scripture that says what goes into the mouth does not defile the body but what comes out does and another where a man of God in a vision is told to eat forbidden animals as a sign that everyone is accepted into God’s kingdom no matter their race or nationality.
Elizabeth 44
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
But, but, but… you’re reading the New Testament; these “christians” seem to only read the Old Testament.
Churchlady
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
They are not Christians. They are Old Testamentarian Dominionists for whom Jesus is just a ‘get out of jail free’ card they plan to play at death.
Nothing from the New Testament fits their desire to control others since the POINT of Jesus’ teaching was to provide justice and equality to all people. Can’t be having THAT, now can we?
Aaron
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Sorry, but you don’t get to be a gatekeeper into the faith, any more than Taylor does. Taylor is just as Christian as anyone else who believes in salvation through Christ. Just because he has repugnant views doesn’t mean somone can suddenly try to claim that he is something else.
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
I guess we all can say we are saved cAnt we. But its still complete BS if you just say it and call for and support peoples deaths. Christian? I fricking think not
Churchlady
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
I certainly can be a critic of faux Christians who rely exclusively on OT scripture and OT rules. That is heretical, ignorant, and desperate. NO one including me is stopping them from their beliefs. But calling them out for how they have abandoned Christian principles in favor of tribalism is essential in a political framework. They cannot try to dominate us in every sector of life (The Seven Mountains Mandate) and then get off scott free for the failures they are as praciticing Christians.
Sorry. You reap what you sow. I have exactly the same right to call them out that they claim with respect to everyone else who is not part of their ilk.
Anthelia
Jan. 27th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
They are also misreading and misusing Leviticus. The verse itself is ambiguous (although the verses that condemn pork and shellfish are not). And in ancient Israel the death penalty was so hedged about with legal requirements that it was essentially impossible to apply. Please don’t blame these people’s bigotry on Hebrew Scripture. They are abusing the writings of another religion in order to find an excuse for their own violent homophobia.
japa21
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Taylor also seems to ignore the fact that God, apparently allowed other foods that also would require refrigeration such as beef and milk.
Elizabeth 44
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
Does refrigeration mean you can eat beef and milk in the same meal?
Reynardine
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Could we be looking at a case of cerebral botulism?
Peter Barnett
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Then how does one explain how what Romans 1:27 says is not against homosexual marriage?
djchefron(Moderator)
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
I have a idea.You believe whatever you want.You can teach your kids whatever mythology you choose but keep them to you and yours and stay out of other peoples beliefs and how they want to live their lives
Peter Barnett
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Here’s another idea. The article is about how the Bible doesn’t say homosexual marriage is wrong. I just showed how it does. If the article had nothing to do with the Bible then I would have no reason to post that comment and you would be right. I was simply correcting the author’s false idea that the Bible isn’t against homosexual marriage.
japa21
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Reread the article. It doesn’t argue what you say it argues. It is talking about the hypocrisy of Taylor.
djchefron(Moderator)
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Like I said and this is the reason I tend to stay away when religious fanatics wants to push their belief on other people.I don’t care about your religious beliefs.You can belief whatever you want.Do you even know the history of your bible?Do you know that certain books were left out because they threaten the priestly hierarchy?Do you even know the life of King James who translated the bible that most people read?
So I’m sorry if I offended you but I am even more sorry that all the people lives that your holy book’s destroyed.
Ed A
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
I assume you ARE aware that St. Paul didn’t believe that Anyone should get married and that there is no indication that anyone ever wanted to marry him. And presumably you’re also aware that while Jesus had a fair amount to say about hypocrites, he said nothing as to same-sex relations (although he did praise the Roman centurion who sought out Jesus to cure his sick servant).
Mary Jo
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 10:06 am
There are plenty other much more detailed discussions online of all the various passages that fundies use against gay marriage, all of which can be argued do NOT apply to loving monogamous relationships. Go look up Matthew Vine’s talk on YouTube for one of the best on this subject. You can most certainly be Christian and still believe that gay marriage is not a sin.
Kenoshi
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
The part written by the Apostle Paul, who never actually met Jesus?
shane
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
It’s fun watching conservatives make fools of themselves. If they keep it up long enough they’ll go extinct. [fingers crossed].
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
The bible is something like the constitution. The gun nuts only think of Amendment 2 and are willing to take the 1st one away from everyone.
These xtians forgot the one command that makes sense. Love thy neighbor. then Forgive them who….. Judge not else….
Screw these people. If they dont want to be gay, they can always get up and change the channel. Its none of their business. They dont care who dies from drinking, smoking, they only care about the one thing they can cherry pick like the gun freaks
Nnoe of Your Business
Jan. 27th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Excuse me, but where did you get the idea those of us that support the 2nd amendment do not support the 1st? Everyone I know supports ALL the amendments.
robyn ryan
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Jesus died to save people from Yahweh’s sadistic ‘gotcha’ wrath.
Bill Ferro
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Jesus/Yahweh: The celestial “good cop/bad cop.” Oh yeah, except for that “eternal torture of the dead” idea that Jesus popularized.
Elizabeth 44
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
First, Jesus tried to convince people they misunderstood what God was about. He taught about a loving, father God.
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
But he had one problem. The god of the old testament was completely different then the god of the new.
Churchlady
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
Sorry – Jesus LIVED to turn people from an angry, fearful tribalism that cowered before God to an all-encompassing, loving humanity that accepted everyone. He was willing to die to keep that covenant with his followers and to make the point that evil does NOT have to be the end of good.
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
And then 2 other religions did what he couldnt do. Buddhism and Hindus. Maybe we have the wrong god over here
Banned Atheist
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Does that mean if one were to refrigerate one’s gay sex it would be chilly but sin-free? Brrr…
David
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Does air conditioning count?
James Threadgill
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Anyone who thinks we will remove the fundamentalists w/o a protracted and costly battle spanning a generation or more is fooling themselves.
SinghX
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 2:53 am
How so, James?
Why do you think it would be a “protracted and costly battle spanning a generation” to “remove” fundies? I’m not sure what you mean or the intent.
Those with a “brain” that has been conditioned to believe certain core values can be educated to understand different ways of looking at issues thereby changing over a generation. A perfect example of this is the large population under 30 fundie off spring who are not prejudice against gay people; they are rejecting the premise. Or, politically, people like Megan McCain, or Ron Regan who openly oppose the core value platform of the RNC in terms of gay marriage.
So, where are you going with the premise that it will be a “battle” to “remove” fundamentalist? Inquiring minds want to know…
drwmg
Jan. 25th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
What the Bible means by “not to lay with a man as with a woman” is that gays should not have sex in the missionary position. – God
TheDevian
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 12:09 am
I am still trying to figure out how refrigeration makes shaving OK…???
PSzymeczek
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Or the wearing of a cotton/polyester blend…
Michael
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 2:15 am
If I leave my balls in the fridge for a while, and then have gay sex, is that OK?
DanMingo
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Sorry, but no.
However, gay sex outside in the snow is sin-free!
SinghX
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 9:20 am
“…Taylor and LaBarbera want it both ways, to ignore laws they see as inconvenient and embrace those that excuse their bigotry.”
They are ignoring most of things on the NT menu! My thought; our society “allows” the fundamentalist cretins, the “weakest links”, a place at the table, and, it shouldn’t. The fundamentalist cretins are an unconscious people, completely void of self-awareness as simply don’t care about the entire “menu” (their bible, the NT not the OT).
Most animals have a better sense of the above mentioned than these people! I’m not speaking of those who are “weakest” among us due to personal circumstance, but, those who have made a decision to relate to nothing more that the baser levels of humanity as their gold standard. It is virtually impossible that they are Christ-followers.They are not utilizing the NT as their gold standard BECAUSE of the fact that they’ve made the decision to cherry-pick the OT. No one with a developed sense of self and consciousness would do such a thing! Jesus was supposedly all about the “good news”–
acting consciously toward others especially the “weakest” among us and paying attention to your OWN behavior as a way to set an example to others.
If guys were “animals” in the wild, they would not survive as part of a pack or herd–they would be culled.
[If Walkaway were here, he'd provide how his tribe and others required each member to know the land, herbs, skills so that the tribe survived together or bu-bye...]
Reynardine
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Presumably, people can have gay sex in a chest freezer, and then the Lard won’t be upset.
NickN
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Two points:
1. Christianity, according to fundamentalists, transcends the old ) Old Testament laws, yet these laws (or at least a few of them) are exactly what these people are relying on to condemn certain practices, while ignoring the open arms of Christ’s loving message.
2. What about tattoos? [sp?] Leviticus condemns those as well. Yet so many folks condemning homosexuality via Leviticus are wearing them? How does refrigeration remove that “sin”? (Owww, my arm is cold, no more sinning…)
Paul Clevett
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 11:36 am
You should come to the UK, it’s ok to be gay according to this because it sure is FREEZING out there.
Susitna
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 11:40 am
First the letter was thought to be written to the Romans by Paul – who may or may not have written it at all – at the time the Romans did not have restrictions on sex and those that were believers of Paul’s teaching did. It is strange that many of the beliefs of the Christian Community then and now were those believed by the Gnostics who were later put to death. It seems that Christians, after Jesus, were all very uptight people who didn’t like “the other guy’s” way of thinking and wanted everyone to fall in line to be part of a greater community for control purposes. Hey it worked for many hundreds of years! I think that along with the Bible lessons in real history need to be taught so there is better understanding of what was going on in the world at the time of the writings when they were written or revised. Yes when they were under the control of men the words were revised, words omitted, and copied/translated incorrectly. Like almost everything else man touches a beautiful concept was taken and revised to meet another’s goals.
Churchlady
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
This is way too complicated from faux Christians.
Everybody knows that the ONLY way you can convert food from an abomination to acceptable is to be Jewish eating at a Chinese restaurant on Christmas Day where shellfish and pork are miraculously converted from tref to kosher in a trice. I have this on rabbinical authority. Do not doubt my word.
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
I always believe everything you say
Churchlady
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Wow, Shiva dear. That’s a lovely thing to say but a VERY dangerous principle since it could go to my head! LOL!!!
mike953
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
The problem is that when people say the bible is the world of God, they think God actually wrote the words, or dictated them. The truth is much more complicated. THe OT reflects the growing understanding of God by the Jewish people. IT is full of contradictions because the peoples understanding was evolving. The NT is the fuller expression of who God is as presented through the Man Jesus. We are still on that journey of understanding and as science expands our understanding of ourselves and the world, our understanding of God also develops, guided by the principals behind the historically based writings of the Bible. Flat earth, sun going around the earth, leprosy as a consequence of sin…we learn better and move on. Biblical literalism just brings you to untenable contradictions as discussed above in many of the comments. Scratch the OT. Jesus says nothing about homosexuality. And if you take St. Paul literally, you better get ready for the slaves to return to their masters and women to be quiet in Church. It is only when you come to understand that same-sex attraction is inborn (made by the creator) or instilled by nurturing that is pre-moral (before about age 7), can you begin to accept (from a Christian perspective) that homosexual marriages are blessed and a sign of God’s love in our midst, just like heterosexual marriage.
Churchlady
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
Nicely said, Mike953. Good summation of the transformative principles of the NT.
Kazikian
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
By the logic that the bible is concerned with our health here, and that refrigeration removes these concerns of contamination by shellfish, condoms must therefore negate the concerns of homosexual sex.
Either the bible is absolute or it’s subject to change due to new technologies. Can’t have it both ways.
Churchlady
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
It’s some history (verified), some laws (also verified), and much that is allegorical. It would be very difficult without ignoring huge portions of the Bible to believe it is all totally literal and the inerrant word of God.
There is a conservative Bible project afoot that is removing the liberal stuff. So much for ‘inerrancy’. So much for ‘Word of God’.
Liberal theologians have always known that the Bible is a very complex document not least because it has been edited, excised, rewritten (there are 400,000 VERSIONS of the Bible) and interpreted variably over time.
No one will find total comfort in Scripture. It is inherently contradictory, and can do its best work as a guide not a set of rules and THEN only when the teachings of Jesus are paramount. But that is precisely the part the conservatives cannot handle. It’s radical even today. So, I guess some people think Jesus’ directives need to go. Back to the tribalism. Back to “certainty.” Much safer not to have to think about it.
Ron
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
I stumbled across this site via a link from fark.com (I bet you’re getting a huge bump in “hits”). I mostly like the conversation here on this subject but I have to take issue with part of a comment at 6:21pm on 1/25.
Your comment that: “The gun nuts only think of Amendment 2 and are willing to take the 1st one away from everyone.” Contains a very inaccurate and unfair generalization.
I am not sure that I qualify as a “gun nut” although the fact that I have more than 1 probably qualifies me in your view. However, I (along with many/most? other “2nd amendment supporters”) am also very concerned about 1st amendment issues as well as the rest of them too.
Are you aware that the Senator leading the attacks on gun owner rights has also been one of the leaders in the attacks on other constitutionally established rights? (FISA, PATRIOT Act, SOPA, etc.) I could go on but this is enough of a threadjack as it is. Your point about the imposition of specific religious values on others is still correct.
Terry
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
Religions are stupid and they make stupid people behave even more STOOPIDLY.
R-Cynic
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
When I read the headline, I had a picture in my head of a preacher putting homosexuals in a freezer…perhaps so they’ll “chill out” ;-p
RM
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Heres’ another take on what the Hebrew Bible means when it says what it says in the Levitical Holiness Code, as well as other fave anti-teh-gays-fundy people: www.gayintostraightameric...
Eddie Powell
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
I must be missing something here. Mixing apples and oranges does not make it an apple basket. Too each his own. And being cold has nothing to do with it. I don’t condone or condemn. And that goes for every human actions. If one is going to call themselves a christian, walk it, and dam it, live by the it… Practice the scripture with the perfection it deserves. What really get under my skin is the judgements that these so called christians get into when it comes to homosexuality. Jesus stated” Judge not and yea not be judged”. The is first handed. There is a whole lot of judging when it comes to this subject. Yes, the scripture makes and strict different between a sin that is an abomination. Who really cares when in so many words it makes it clear that 991/2% good won’t do. That could leave all of us out. That is why I missing something here. With the above and when the same scripture that this wing nut reads states that we all fall short…. These nuts need to get a life. Cryo-freezing sounds so good right now for them…. Let them awaken 100 years from now with this crazy crap… Out of sight, out of mind….
Kevin
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
You cryo-freeze them. I’ll come along and trip on the power cord. Problem solved.
runbei
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Mr. Taylor, you can take your brains out the blender now.
Kevin
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Last week I dug up a bunch of clams on the beach. I made clam chowder, but I didn’t refrigerate the clams first. Was that a sin? I did refrigerate the leftover chowder, so when I ate it the next day that wasn’t a sin, right? If my refrigerator breaks down while I have clam chowder in it, do I call a priest or a repairman? Would the repairman qualify as a holy man, seeing as he’s keeping my clam-eating ass out of hell by fixing my fridge?
Reynardine
Jan. 26th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Kevin, if your fridge quits, *don’t eat those clams*! And this doesn’t have a *damn thing to do with the Lard!*
Kevin
Jan. 27th, 2013 at 12:39 am
Lard?!!! Oh no!!! Lard comes from pigs! I said the Lard’s prayer before I ate the unrefrigerated fried-in-lard clams. Am I going to extra-special Hell (now with more Hell)?
SinghX
Jan. 27th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
There are all kinds of things you’re supposed to do if you “sin” in Leviticus (and I ain’t got no bye-bull knowledge)…something about taking grain to a priest or a goat, or whatever…you buy your way out of sins according to what I read. And, the only reason I read Leviticus was to find “the gay” line.
If you read it carefully, it says nothing about two women lying with one another…
And Rey…it’s “da Lard”…the entire expression is “tank da Lard”
Kimberly
Jan. 27th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
One of the most painful aspects of this whole interview, to me, is that the pastor is named James Taylor. Talk about adding insult to injury. I am a Christian and I believe this man, while admittedly not unique in his views, is still an anomaly, and does not speak for the vast majority of Christians.
MLouise
Jan. 27th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Another place where Taylor goes way off is in his comments about the word translated “abomination.” It certainly is not “the strongest word in the Bible for hate.” I’ve read rabbinical commentary that says a much better modern translation would be “taboo.” It’s a prohibition on the Israelites not to follow the cultic practices of the tribes that they were displacing as they occupied the Jordan valley.
Basically, according to the way the leaders of the Israelites understood it, it’s God saying, “If the Canaanites and the Hittites and all those others do these things as part of their rituals to worship their God, then I don’t want you doing the same thing when you worship me. You’re mine, so you have to act differently.”
And all of that was contextual for a bunch of semi-nomadic tribes trying to do some nation building about 3500 years ago. Thinking that it has any relevance for today is just really silly.
Bradley Hart
Jan. 27th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Does this mean it isn’t a sin to have gay sex in a walk in freezer?
Shiva(Moderator)
Jan. 27th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
I like the way you think young man
Second Amendment Democrat
Jan. 28th, 2013 at 12:39 am
Eat a freshly steamed 1.5-lb. lobster fresh from the Bay. You will disavow the bible forever… And according to the fundies, it’s all or nothing, so – THERE’S your escape clause.
Or am i just looking out for #1 and being shellfish?
galactusX
Jan. 30th, 2013 at 1:56 am
Even Jesus said there are no greater or lesser sins. If you put yourself under the torah then it is a terrible thing to put yourself in the hands of a vengeful God. Jesus is not stupid enough to be a ‘get out of jail free card’. These ‘people’ are the abominations. God is not mocked.