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Fundie Says Obama is Gay, Imprison Gays Before They Kill Kids
By: Hrafnkell HaraldssonMay. 15th, 2012more from Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Conservatives can’t get enough of Obama’s support for marriage equality. Just watch FOX News, visit the right wing blogosphere, or scan Right Wing Watch for some examples: He is out of step with America’s values (even though most Americans support marriage equality). He is doing the work of Satan and consigning souls to hell even though probably most of those souls don’t believe in Satan’s existence. Things have gotten so hysterical on the right that Obama himself is now gay and his policies are gay. It’s a trifecta of hate for the right: gay, black, and Muslim.
It has always been only a matter of time before the ideology behind the anti-Jewish Nuremberg Laws were applied by another totalitarian group to the LGBTQ community. We haven’t quite gotten to the legislation portion of that process yet but the groundwork has certainly been prepared by homophobic demagogues like Paul Cameron of the Family Research Institute. Just as bigots backed by pseudo-science came out of the woodwork in Germany of the ’30s once a bigot-friendly regime was in place, they are positioning themselves now for a bigot-friendly regime in 2012.
We have seen arch-fiend Bryan Fischer go down that road repeatedly and he is one of those most vociferous in his egging on of Mitt Romney, demanding that he show his trustworthiness by being as nasty and despicable as Fischer and his hate group, the American Family Association. There is no doubt at all that LGBTQs will become second class citizens in the event of a Talibangelical-friendly regime in Washington.
The punishment of death endorsed by fundamentalists in Africa will likely not work here, where they realize the illegality of their dreams places certain limitations on their actions, but that does not stop them from expressing their sick fantasies. The Catholic League’s Bill Donohue who hates people to tell truth to power (the Catholic Church) but loves to hate everyone else says that “gay people have been disqualified from nature” (even though nature is full of gay animal life). The implication is clear: if nature has disqualified them what are humans doing given them rights? It’s at its heart the same sort of reasoning employed by the National Socialist regime with regards to the Jews: if they’re not really people we can do whatever we want with them.
And Towleroad relates the efforts of one Virginia lawmaker to block the appointment of a judge on the grounds that he is gay: this is directly out of the fifth century Christian playbook known as the Theodosian Code. Fundie loudmouth Jim Garlow is playing with facts to position Christian opponents of marriage equality as future martyrs but we all know from which categories the true martyrs will arise: atheists, gays, lesbians, transgenders, women, Pagans, Muslims, and others.
Paul Cameron, for example, is saying that gays should be imprisoned before they can rape little kids. He is, reminds Right Wing Watch, cited “as an “expert (much as is David Barton) “by groups like the Family Research Council, Concerned Women for America and the American Family Association, among others in the Religious Right. While his claims have been consistently discredited, Cameron is still a favorite of opponents of gay rights and appeared last week on Crosstalk with Jim Schneider of VCY America (Voice of Christian Youth).”
Watch the video from Right Wing Watch:
Well, the timing is I think miserable for his reelection. I would have expected him, as you did, to wait until he was the new president and say, “Guess what? I’ve changed my mind,” or, “I’ve evolved.” But homosexuality is the one sin, or the one habit, that is 24/7. It is homosexuality all the time. And actually, while I’m not sure about the claims by the various people who have reported that Obama has at least participated at times with them in homosexual acts, this certainly lends some credence.
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Mark my words clearly; the long term goal of the homosexual movement is to get every little boy to grab his ankles and every little girl to give it a try. They will not rest until every one of our children at least gets to try, has the opportunity and maybe is forced to at least once experience homosexual acts. There is no retreating from that, they made it very clear earlier on—now they don’t take about it—but that’s what they want, they will not be happy until they get it, marriage is just a step along the way.
First thing you need to know here about Cameron’s opinion is that he is not a licensed psychologist or sociologist or an expert of any kind, but because conservatives present him as an expert, we are obligated to examine his claims and to refute them, just as we do David Barton’s.
The American Psychological Association dropped his membership in 1983 for an ethics violation; In 1984, the Nebraska Psychological Association adopted a resolution stating that it ”formally disassociates itself from the representations and interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron in his writings and public statements on sexuality”[1]; in 1985 In 1985, the American Sociological Association (ASA)adopted a resolution which asserted that ”Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism” and noted that ”Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his distorted interpretation of this research.”[2]
A committee was appointed with the task of “critically evaluating and publicly responding to the work of Dr. Paul Cameron,” and at its August, 1986 meeting, the ASA officially accepted the committee’s report and passed the following resolution:
The American Sociological Association officially and publicly states that Paul Cameron is not a sociologist, and condemns his consistent misrepresentation of sociological research.
This is, in short, a man with no official standing whatsoever except in the eyes of his fellow bigots.[3]
Now back to his inexpert claims: Leaving aside nobody caring what Cameron thinks is and is not a sin, his tone seems to fall more under the category of wishful thinking on his part than anything else. The conservative obsession with sex acts knows no bounds – their fevered imaginations seemingly seizes on those acts which most fascinate them (and science backed this theory in 1996 and continues to do so) – so again, we are learning quite a bit about Mr. Cameron and very little about President Obama and gays. Perhaps Cameron joined the wrong denomination. Just sayin’.
In the end, all Cameron can do is double down on the hate. And let’s forget all Jesus’ talk about loving and helping:
Cameron: Part of the problem with the Christian Church in the United States today is that’s it’s be psychiatricized or psychologilized [sic], we seem to think that it’s our job to be counselors or do something to help people change. The fact is that the Christian Church for 2000 years tried to and eventually got homosexuality to be made illegal, when you make it illegal a lot of people don’t get into it because it’s illegal, when you make it illegal a lot of people get out of it because it’s illegal, when you say ‘we don’t want to be unkind’—Hey, we have to protect our children! We have to have a future!
The Christian Church until just recently, just the last few years of time, said we must prevent homosexuality from corrupting our society, corrupting our kids, and so that’s the area where I think we ought to go. If you stake your efforts on trying to convert people who are into drinking heavily or drugging heavily or homosexuality you are going to fail by far most of the time. Some of them will come over but there is no known technique to take someone who is in a besetting sin like this and free them.
Schneider: But for the power of God.
Cameron: Yes but the Christian Church for almost 2000 years said we will protect the rest of society from these miscreants and we will be kind to those who come to us individually and say ‘help me blah blah blah’ and that’s fine. I hear Christian spokespersons saying things like ‘we must be kind to the homosexuals because we must get them to come to church and listen to us and maybe they’ll convert,’ good luck! Sometimes that happens but you’re really running a very bad bet and you’re going way outside of mainstream Christian history.
Romney’s more or less figurative message seems to be the same: drop dead.
It’s amusing to think that making homosexuality illegal would put an end to homosexuality. Repression is ineffective because homosexuality is natural. In 2000 years repression hasn’t worked. You can’t repress somebody into being straight. Homosexuality is with us still because it is as natural as heterosexuality.
Obviously, conservatism denies this and because they refuse to accept the science they continue to insist you can make gays straight. Cameron differs only on the means employed to make this happen – not therapy but brute force. And crazy as things have gotten in the ranks of the right’s culture warriors, it would be unwise to suggest that they can’t get crazier. Hate, after all, knows no bounds, as history has shown again and again.
[1] [Nebraska Psychological Association. (1984, October 19). Resolution. Minutes of the Nebraska Psychological Association. Omaha, Nebraska: Author.]
[2] [Sociology group criticizes work of Paul Cameron. (1985, September 10). Lincoln (NE) Star.]
[3] For a full list of actions taken against Cameron see Paul Cameron Bio and Fact Sheet
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SinghX
May. 15th, 2012 at 8:31 am
So, briefly, what the fundamentalist fascist are proposing in a renewal of Paragraph 175 that was “revived” before and during the 3 Reich.
There is a “lovely” history of how gays in the 1930′s were organizing in Germany (and here) to remove laws like Paragraph 175 and how the Reich doubled-down…hence, long story short, the inverted pink-triangle…
(not enough time right now to link to articles/histories of the movement/zeitgeist, but a quick look at the Wiki ref: Paragraph 175 will give you a good picture as to where the homophobes are getting their ideas…)
Reynardine
May. 15th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Wayall, poop, it was only a matter of time, wasn’t it?
Shiva (Moderator)
May. 15th, 2012 at 8:39 am
if you look around this world, you have to admit that God is in doing such a great job. Children are starving to death, living on the streets in some countries. Two thirds of the people in this world are without proper drinking water. And there are people who want to kill people who are different. There are religious people who want to kill people because they are different. Is this what religion means to some people? I have to wonder how these people that believe in these fundamentalist would like it living under them. But then I realize that they don’t know any better. Who is next after the gays? Will the blacks be next? Will the people who are poor and have no voice be next?
viva
May. 15th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Good grief! I saw that headline “Imprison Gays Before They Kill Kids”, and for a moment I thought Andrew Breitbart had come back to life.
My tummy hurts.
robyn ryan
May. 18th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Can this guy signal he’s in the closet any louder?
Otto
May. 15th, 2012 at 9:22 am
So, a guy who’s been proven to be a charlatan and a fraud accuses President Obama of being a fraud. Can you say, “psychological projection”?
Elizabeth
May. 15th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
The Republicans seem to be masters at it.
Reynardine
May. 15th, 2012 at 9:36 am
First of all, thank you, Hrafnkell, for the many references, some of which I have already followed up.
Shiva: yes, they will come after these groups, of course. They already are, though they are still semi-covert about it, as they are with women. My guess is that Muslims will be their next openly-declared target, serving the same function as Jews did in the Third Reich.
Their sole chance against the President lies in completely “othering” him in the eyes of the electorate. They are going out of the way to create the idea that because he is openly black, which it is still not quite cool to denounce in the mainstream media, he is secretly Muslim and secretly gay. The latter is too scurrilous to be raised by Mimney and his Rottenue yet, but first we had that sheep’s butt, Rand Paul, float it, and now this guy. These are trial balloons. If they’re not shot down, expect more and worse.
I reiterate: if they sweep the 2012 on the national level, we can kiss future elections goodbye. If they capture a majority of statehouses and governors’ mansions, then even without that, we could wake up to find our Constitution replaced with a monstrosity, many of our voters disenfranchised, and (with the repeal of jus solis citizenship), Americans of the third and fourth generation born on our soil now classed as stateless persons. This isn’t far-fetched, and it isn’t funny.
Hrafnkell Haraldsson
May. 15th, 2012 at 9:50 am
David Brooks has an interesting opinion piece in the Times, arguing that Obama is polling better than he should and that the reason why is that he is personally popular, off-setting the belief that his policies are ineffective in stabilizing the economy: www.nytimes.com/2012/05/1...
Shiva (Moderator)
May. 15th, 2012 at 10:04 am
given the poll results this morning on morning Joe, for this instant in time there is no way the president can be elected. Women have turned to Romney and most people think Romney would be far better on the economy.
It’s a scary time in America
Paman Miner
May. 21st, 2012 at 11:19 pm
I sure haven’t turned to Romney! I hope you are not right about lots of women turning to Romney. He has as they like to say, been perfectly clear that women are 2nd class citizens.
Any woman that would vote for a republican has self-worth issues.
Romney is not presidential material anyway. He has said “Laws are for little people and suckers”
That above the law attitude just fits how the greedy rich feel entitiled to have everything and to have the right to take whatever they want.
There has got to be a lot of racial discrimination too. People have never spoken and acted this evil toward a president.
I have a hard time understanding how people could be fooled so completely.
Shiva (Moderator)
May. 22nd, 2012 at 12:20 am
There was a poll out that said that but I think that has been disproved since then
Tim
May. 15th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Just when I think we have taken a step forward I run across another example of hate and fear.
There is an old line about extreme movements becoming more extreme just before they die out.
Let us hope so.
Shiva (Moderator)
May. 15th, 2012 at 11:22 am
it’s my opinion that we are at least 75 years behind where we were in the 70s
Reynardine
May. 15th, 2012 at 11:41 am
That is my impression also.
David29073
May. 15th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Creditability and truth are fickle items in this political climate. Depending on the forum the information is presented in, it’s either truth or a pack of lies.
The danger to all of this far right conservatism is their ability to hold the conversation with total fabrications that are held as “truth”.
It has been pointed out time and time again how very dangerous and lethal these fringe right ideas really are, how harmful they are to our very freedoms…yet they seem not only to creep into the mainstream conversation, but to highjack it. The focus returns time and time again to these goons spewing forth their particular venom, and the disturbing thing is; it sticks and grows. It becomes part of the conversation, and the idea of jailing gays is no longer a far fetched right wing talking point, but something for the states to really consider doing.
Paul Cameron is just the next in a line of dangerous “Doctors” to voice outrage at the gay community. What is really dangerous is that people are actually listening to his lies and believing in what he is saying as “truth”.
Exposing them as the liars they are is a two edged sword. It shows just how much of a liar he really is, but at the same time, it gives him a “mainstream” voice in which to continue to spew forth the sewage he wants to stick up the world with.
Unless a LOUD voice of reason is put forth that takes back the conversations of hate, this country is heading down a path that will make the 1930′s Germany look like a dress rehearsal of genocide.
These dangerous lies are taking up more and more space in our main conversations, which is exactly what hate mongers like Cameron and Fisher want. Unless they are drowned out with truth…that sticks…then concentration camps and militias will me the norm, not freedom.
Vote this coming election…VOTE!!!
Reynardine
May. 15th, 2012 at 11:47 am
I couldn’t agree more.
The Nazis made use of IBM sorting machines to identify and hunt down their intended victims (See Edwin Black: IBM and the Holocaust)). The technology we have today is exponentially more efficient. Quite a few of us could be marked for extinction within hours of a takeover. Indeed, we likely are so marked already: all they need is the takeover.
A Walkaway
May. 15th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
They have marked us. It’s been known for a long time that they keep records and have very long memories (trying to coerce people “back into the fold” decades after they walked, for instance).
They have long memories regarding the people that oppose them too.
Their “spiritual mapping” project should be chilling to anyone who hears about it. They keep records on people they consider enemies and where they live, etc..
Zaynab
May. 15th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
This country is shaping up to be a very scary place. I don’t like what I see.
Why are wingnuts like this guy given credibility and who exactly is putting all these wingnuts in positions of power?
We seriously can’t be voting loons like this into power…surely we’re more rational than this.
Reynardine
May. 15th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Zaynab, I had an uncle- named Adolf, curiously enough- who during his adolescent days in Weimar Germany, thought the Nazis were offering a social welfare program and all the homicidal nuttiness was just parsley to get votes. After they got in, he realized it was the other way around, but then it was too late. And he (and most of his compatriots) were a lot more sophisticated than your average dumbfuck 21st century Americans.
Marnie
May. 15th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I think this guy needs to be watched.! It’s ALWAYS the one’s who throw a fir about homosexuals and child molestation, who actually have the tendencies!!! Watch out!!!
Obama2012#1
May. 18th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
What else are they going to say about Pres Obama!
Aside….This story has me hopping mad! It was posted on PoliticalWire this morning.
I am just livid! And all the Arizona Democrats should be too!
Arizona official is thinking about ~taking Pres. Obama’s name off the Arizona ballot!!~
How ludicruis is this. It’s all about the birth certificate….again, again, and again.
Here is the story and the video below.
politicalwire.com/archive...
Arizonian Democrats should be up in arms.
Please follow this story. Thank you.