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GOP Tea Party Traitors to the Constitution Must Be Prosecuted to the Fullest Extent of the Law
When understandings between people in a society prove insufficient to maintain social order, governments impose more formalized systems of social control to compel the population to obey laws, and can either punish or attempt to reform those who refuse to conform. America’s Founding Fathers devised a comprehensive and fair means of producing laws that entail procedures to assure the public that rules promote the general welfare of the entire population. Since the election and presidency of Barack Obama, there has been an increasing number of Americans who openly advocate breaking federal laws, and worse, threatening violence if the government attempts to implement and enforce constitutional law. This past week, a former U.S. congressman became the latest Republican to encourage Americans to defy federal laws and insinuated it may be necessary to shed blood to preserve freedom.
Teabagger champion Joe Walsh spoke to a group of supporters on Wednesday and informed them there is a war between those who value freedom against unfair government control, and said the battle is between the old traditional concepts of America versus the new America. Walsh incited an audience to “defy and break the law” if they are faced with federal healthcare or new gun laws, and it culminated a half-hour rant against the Obama Administration with Walsh insisting the Tea Party makes up a majority of silent Americans emphasizing a platform based on freedom and limiting the influence of government. Walsh, at times raving like Adolf Hitler, railed against civility and claimed conservatives are losing because “our side doesn’t understand we’re at war,” and insinuated that “we may have to shed blood to preserve our freedoms” to rousing agreement from his supporters.
The one-term teabagger decried the loss of religious, political, and financial freedom at the hands of an “out of control” government, and preached that the President has no understanding of America or the idea that this nation was founded on the basis of personal freedom and patriotism. Walsh typifies an ideology that taxes, laws, and regulations are destroying America and that real patriots will defy the “laws borne of tyranny” in the war against traditional concepts of 1790s America. The notion of opposing federal laws is gaining momentum among conservatives, and in at least two states with Republican legislatures, Republicans are seeking to criminalize implementation of the Affordable Care Act.
In South Carolina, after two-and-a-half years, two elections, and a Supreme Court ruling that the ACA is the law of the land, last month a state representative pre-filed legislation that punishes state officials caught enforcing the ACA who, under the law, would be guilty of a misdemeanor and “must be fined not more than one thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.” Federal officials, however, face felony charges under the proposed legislation that states any federal employee or contractor enforcing the law “is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than five thousand dollars, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.” A similar bill was proposed in Wisconsin one week after the general election in November.
Nine state Republican lawmakers in Wisconsin backed a bill criminalizing attempts to implement the ACA in the state, allowing police to arrest federal officials because they believe the health care law is unconstitutional despite the Supreme Court’s ruling that it passes constitutional muster. State Rep. Chris Kapenga said “Just because Obama was re-elected does not mean he’s above the constitution,” and said he supported legislation preventing his governor from setting up health exchanges similar to a ballot initiative that passed in Missouri in the general election. State Rep. Don Pridemore (R) said it is rational to criminalize anyone implementing the ACA because to him it “seems reasonable, it makes a statement to the federal government that we don’t want Obamacare.” It is apparent that Republicans in Wisconsin, South Carolina, and Missouri adhere to the “tenther” vision of America that gives individual states, primarily conservative-leaning states, the right to reject federal laws Republicans disagree with and if it means arresting, prosecuting, fining and jailing state and federal officials for fulfilling their legal duty, then that is the price Republicans are willing to make them pay for doing their jobs. However, the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause that clearly states, “The Laws of the United States which shall be made under the authority of the United States shall be the supreme law of the land,” and it is the reason states do not have the right to ignore federal laws, or arrest federal or state employees for implementing federal statutes.
The idea that so-called “real Americans” and “patriots” can violate and defy laws they object to is a troubling development enough, but the threats of “shedding blood to preserve their freedom” at the urging of a former congressman is tantamount to sedition. Last year the Virginia Republican Committee published a state-level newsletter calling for armed revolution if President Obama was re-elected in November. In 2009, Michele Bachmann urged her supporters to become “armed and dangerous” if federal laws were enacted, and failed senatorial candidate Sharon Angle encouraged armed insurrection if “this Congress keeps going the way it is,” and that if “Congress keeps it up, people may find themselves resorting to Second Amendment remedies.” Now, former congressman Joe Walsh is inciting his supporters to deliberately defy and break the legally enacted laws of the land with the proviso that “we may have to shed blood to preserve our freedoms,” and his rhetoric borders on sedition, not to mention inciting Americans to break the law.
What is ultimately hypocritical is that these “patriotic” Republicans have embraced the idea that “having a revolution every now and then is a good thing, and the people – we the people – are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country.” The reality is that Americans, real Americans, follow the constitutional law of the land regardless who, or what race, the President of the United States is, and they certainly do not threaten to shed blood or incite a revolution that is by definition sedition.
There have always been extremists in the population that form militias, plot to overthrow the government, and incite criminal activity, but it has only been since an African American man was elected and re-elected as President that state and federal elected officials have openly called for breaking the law or violence against the government. Still, that is the predicament this nation finds itself in and it all began with the rise of teabagger-Republicans and their exclusive rights as real Americans. They are not real Americans; they are traitors to the constitution, seditious, criminals, and enemies of the state and the people they were elected to serve, and it is a mystery why the Justice Department, FBI, and law enforcement officials do not summarily round them up and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. One can only imagine it is because they live in a country where any two-bit phony patriot serving in state legislatures and the United States Congress has the right of free speech; even if they openly promote breaking the law, shedding blood, and violence against the United States government.
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djchefron
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 11:38 am
And here we go….
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Rhonda
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 11:58 am
They truly need to be jailed every single one of them. America does not need traitors like that. We talk about terrorist like the taliban. Well America now has it’s own Taliban so to speak they are called the Tea Party and they like the Taliban need to be destroyed before they hurt our nation.
Churchlady
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
They are saying the SAME thing about us. Many on the left have called for revolution. Many have used legislation to get what they want. Many here even call for the death of people on the right.
Sedition? Or Free Speech?
You don’t get to decide who gets rights based on the content of what they say. That’s what the Constitution is all about. Nobody has “pure” vision that is protected – that’s the refuge of the religious right: only “CHRISTIANS” get rights. So that’s not on. Move on.
Sandra
Jan. 13th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Churchlady….do you have links or direct quotes from Americans, including politicians from the left who you claim have made the same unpatriotic remarks and call for murder and the overthrow of Government? Please post them rather than creating your own RW reality.
Mary
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
If any democrat during the bush war regime said anything like what the haters have been spewing they would be charged with sedition and treason. Remember the Dixie Chicks!!!Why are the haters getting away with spewing foul slime?
djchefron
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
The reason is because the media enables them.They are nothing more than the john birches and George Rockwell republicans.Once upon time they were looked on and treated as the lunatics that they are.Now they are treated with respect first by faux and then like the lemmings and spineless quislings who make up the rest of the media.
The funny thing is not only are they traitors and their actions are seditious ,the nincompoops are egged on by a foreign nationals.An Australian and a Saudi prince who own newscorp.Oh the irony….
Churchlady
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
If you cannot tell the difference between a boycott and sedition, we’re doomed. The Dixie Chicks were NEVER charged with anything legal – and the boycott was a flop anyway.
There have been people charged – mostly left liberals – and NONE has been found guilty.
Look up what sedition is, then think fondly of the First Amendment as you wave it goodbye under this fury of trying to stop others from saying what you don’t like to hear.
sherrie heckendorn
Jan. 13th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Just curious, but do you just post anything you want, thinking people won’t call you on your hate’filled rhetoric. fyi sedition is exactly what this is, maybe you need to look up the meaning again.
HistoryGeek
Jan. 15th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Churchlady… she asked for NAMES. Not more rhetoric.
Christopher
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Save the prosecutions for those who actually violate the law if and when that happens. It is not treason because nobody is adhering to our enemies, giving them aid and comfort. This may have been treason in medieval Europe, but the framers very deliberately gave it a much narrower definition in an American context.
djchefron
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
So we can agree that if you violate the constitution,you have committed treason against the United States?So if the teabaggers in congress force a default then they are in violation of the 14th amendment and should be arrested,charged and made to stand trial for being a traitor.Right?
Churchlady
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
djchefron – you are usually wiser than this. NO – if they cause a default, you’d have to prove aiding and abetting the cause of another nation, and it’s pretty slim pickings to make that case.
djchefron
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Greenlady I understand your point of view and it may be the correct one but it has come to the point if they continue on this insane path,well they aint seen crazy yet
sherrie heckendorn
Jan. 13th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
They are guilty of treason against the american people. They should be charged and convicted. This is only about paying the bills, that the gop led house authorized to pay. Thats all it is. Now they want to say they won’t pay the bills they authorized, because of spending. That would be like having a balloon payment on your mortgage and then when the payment was due, you said, hey i am not going to pay that bill unless you lower my next years bill. Think that would work?
HistoryGeek
Jan. 15th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Churchlady – Sorry, no. Congress has passed statutes creating related offenses that punish conduct which undermines the government or the national security, such as sedition in the 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts, or espionage and sedition in the 1917 Espionage Act, which do not require the testimony of two witnesses and have a much broader definition than Article Three treason. For example, some well-known spies have been convicted of espionage rather than treason.
The Tea Baggers undermine the government.
Churchlady
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Bravo – well said. Nothing cited here is sedition. Nothing. It is free speech however much we all hate it.
This call is over the top – wholesale rounding up of people we don’t like, people who used the democratic process to create bills we don’t like, people exercising the First Amendment.
Christopher is entirely correct – we framed these issues in the Constitution to give speakers the maximum benefit of expression. It’s NOT sedition to speak even violently so long as it is not directed against a named person or institution in direct action threats.
Can’t believe so many are so willing to abandon our First Amendment for which many of us have fought for decades to preserve. Wow.
UncaJoe
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
From Cornell University’s “The Legal Information Institute”
18 USC Chapter 115 – TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES:
18 USC § 2384 – Seditious conspiracy
See also:
18 USC § 2385 – Advocating overthrow of Government
18 USC § 2383 – Rebellion or insurrection
Churchlady
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Sorry, UncaJoe – it takes waaaay more than angry words to be sedition. Good thing too – look at what our side says advocating death to the RWNJs.
There has to be a link to cause of action not just words. The Right DID try to prosecute a woman, a VA nurse, for her angry anti-Bush, anti-administration comments about his wars. She was freed. No cause, no conviction. That’s free speech. You want to give that up? Why?
No matter how much you think you’re “found the smoking gun” you have NOT because under rules of free speech, there is no threat and no advocacy. What Joe Walsh said is something he’s repeating from THOMAS JEFFERSON. Hardly something you could nail Walsh for saying.
Fortunately for our nation, we’ve been through this many times before, and we prosecute VERY few people for their words alone.
It is far more likely that we will see actions out of people such as former Gen. Boykin who is arming and has compounds that may well be brewing something. THAT is where you should be watching – there are too many such compounds that to me represent a clear and present danger. And funny how you don’t hear a peep out of them.
That’s where the danger lies. Quiet but arming. Of them you should be very afraid.
UncaJoe
Jan. 13th, 2013 at 1:36 am
There are two legal ways to address grievances with laws and/or lawmakers. The court system and the ballot box.
Calling for armed conflict seems to fit the “by force” requirement in the above mentioned laws and is exactly why these laws exist.
sandy
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
I say prosecute them to the fullest letter of the law. I am sooo sick of hearing this crap about our president. If they spent Helf of their energy putting it into working together to create jobs and bring back work and products to America we might get somewhere. These people are becoming terrorists and must be dealt with accordingly. I look forward to being proud of our country again and I work to help all average guys and gals like me to become more equal in our country. Our country has become very unbalanced with corporate America and companies like Walmart taking advantage of workers, finding loopholes to not pay their fair share of taxes etc. etc. Anyone with half an ounce of mental health can see what has happened and what is happening now. So you are either part of the solution or part of the problem and these people and that Joe Walsh are part of the problem. I believe and support free speech but this crap saying we will shed blood, he has some nerve and he would problably instigate someone to do something and her would run and hide. I watch what people do not what they say. Speaking of saying and doing isn’t is so disgusting that my species Ms. Bachman has not paid her employees moeny she owes them and tried to use the money to make them sign statements to shut their mouths as it appears she and her cohoorts are being investigated. Imagine that and these nice Christian folk can’t believe she would do something like that. Remember, do not watch what they say look at that they do. What I REALLY don’t understand is most of these teabaggers are the very people that are going to be trampled on by their so called heroes as their heroes are paving the way for the super rich to take over this country and recreate the “company store”. And it won’t just be poor black folk that will be there, us whities will be there saying “how much for that bread”!!!!! Wake up people!!!
Sugapea
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Good Lord, I hope The Administration is keeping tabs on these crazy-bizarre Joe Walsh types.
Watch his speech on youtube: www.youtube.com/watch?fea...
One vicious comment…blew me away:
“We are just in the initial phases of our Civil War. The more progressed form involving violence and outright physical confrontation with the anti Constitutionalists is about to happen. Real Americans need to prepare. Fortify your state govts. (Red States) and their state militias, your Const. Shrf. reserve forces, your Const. Militias, etc. And on an even more local level, develop interactive Neighborhood Watch Grps. with like-minded members”.
LookingForward
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
I really wouldn’t worry about the Joe Walsh’s of the world, they tend to self destruct. As for freedom of speech, yes we have it, thank goodness we do. Something tells me those crazies will start to tone down….look what happened to that crazy man on Piers Morgan, arrested at the airport. The crazy man in Tennessee, weapons permit pulled. Crazy militia man in Alaska, jailed! Yes we have freedom of speech, but if you are deemed a possible threat, nothing good will come your way. You are asking for trouble!
Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Freedom of speech in the 1st simply means the governent cant take it away from you. Which the Patriot act did. But I digress, you do not have freedom of speech on others property for one example. Some people think they have the freedom to say whatever they want, well they do, but others have the right to extinguish it too
HistoryGeek
Jan. 15th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
I’m sorry, but you don’t have the right to say whatever you want to. Courts have proven this time and time again. There are limits to EVERY right we have. With free speech, you are not allowed to scream fire in a theater (as the famous example goes).
What these Tea Bag party leaders are doing IS screaming fire in a theater.
Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 15th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
that’s exactly what I said. You do have the right to say whatever you want except where laws prevent it such as the theater thing.
A good example is this website. You are free to type in anything you want on this( or any other forum type website), but if it is not something that the owner of the site wants said it is gone.
Freedom of speech is an assumed thing in the Constitution. Nowhere is it said that the people explicitly have freedom of speech except to say that the government cannot take freedom of speech away. It simply means the government can’t regulate what you say
phooeyrat
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
Let’s Hope that ALL of “OUR” Current Federal-Govt. Agency’s; Homeland Security, Department of Justice, F.B.I., C.I.A. plus ALL “OUR” State and Local Law-Enforcement Official’s ARE NOW Focusing On and Directly Implementing and Utilizing All of Their Current “Legal-Ability’s” and Powers to “Spy” on this Country’s “CITIZEN’S” IN AN “APPROPRIATE VENUE”; TO PREVENT WHAT NOW APPEARS TO BE A SCENARIO IN WHICH “MARTIAL-LAW” AND “BLOOD-SHED” MAY OCCUR AND BE REQUIRED TO PUT DOWN WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE BEGINNING OF OPEN-CALL’S FOR ARMED GOVT.INSURRECTION(INSTIGATED BY THE ELITE 2%”MODERN-DAY”CORPORATE PLANTATION-OWNERS;IN MY OPINION). ANOTHER CIVIL WAR…”IF” WE CAN “LEGALLY-PREVENT” THIS FROM HAPPENING LETS DO IT!!! ARREST AND DETAIN ANYONE WHO MEETS THE LEGAL CRITERIA FOR ARREST AND DETAINMENT SO THAT A JUDGE AND JURY OF THE PEOPLE CAN DECIDE THE TRUTH IN THIS MATTER BEFORE THINGS GET OUT OF HAND… LET JUSTICE TAKE IT’S COURSE AND PREVAIL FOR ALL!!! THE NEWS MEDIA MUST PLAY IT’S CRITICAL ROLL “WELL” IN THIS MATTER ALSO. “TELL IT LIKE IT IS”…
LookingForward
Jan. 12th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Phooeyrat,
Biden will make his recommendations Tuesday and life will go on. Most of these blow hards are actually cowards. When they finally understand no one is coming after their guns, they’ll calm down! Some of these people just hate the world and Obama for their miserable life. Those people are unstable and hopefully are on a watch list! This to shall pass…..
phooeyrat
Jan. 13th, 2013 at 4:34 am
i had in-mind homeland-security, f.b.i. etc. actually seeking-out the real “king-pins” and “queen-pins” behind this “dangerous-operation” of promoting “armed-insurrection” in this country to such an extent that we are seeing and experiencing right now! locate them place them in a”check-mate” status. determine their “threat-level” and proceed from there…legally. in my opinion. before someone gets hurt.
Kevin
Jan. 13th, 2013 at 12:14 am
In order to maintain some sense of perspective here, and as a valuable exercise, please read all of your own comments here and then imagine that they had been written by the ‘other side’.
Would you like it if they were plotting to take away YOUR first amendment rights just because they thought that your views were seditious?
Of course not.
What is at stake here is a matter of opinion, not treason.
We have courts in place to adjudicate disputes among the sides.
Feel free to make full use of them, if you feel your cause if worthwhile.
I won’t be back, so have a nice one!
majii
Jan. 13th, 2013 at 12:14 am
The things that people like Joe Walsh, Allen West, Michele Bachmann, Alex Jones, Wayne LaPierre, “Pastor” Terry Jones, Yeager, Pam Geller, and some others on the right are saying/doing is the reason why republicans were so upset that they went to great lengths to suppress information in the Homeland Security Report in 2009 which showed that RW extremists pose a real threat to us and our government. They already knew/suspected that some on the right were “out there,” and they knew that in order to prevent millions of Americans from discovering how truly unhinged some of the major movers and shakers in RW America are, they had to pretend to be offended by a report that President GWB had ordered. It is the modus operandi of the right to lie and act outraged to censor information that portrays any of them in an unflattering light. The republicans did the same thing recently when, iirc, a CBO report revealed that tax cuts for the wealthy don’t cause economic growth. The only parts of the U.S. Constitution that RW extremists love are the 2nd and 10th Amendments because they seem to believe that they should be able to do any d*mn thing they want, and that using violence against those who don’t agree with them should be an acceptable means of dealing with this type of dissent.
djchefron
Jan. 13th, 2013 at 12:24 am
If I recal it was you idiots who called yourselves teabaggers.Not until you foundout about did you were schocked.But its all the same.I mean the way how you get used by the Koch brothers you might as well be teabagging.
djchefron
Jan. 13th, 2013 at 12:26 am
Sorry about the typos.Trying to talk sense into cons, their stupidity is rubbing off.
Schmice
Jan. 13th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
The puppet masters behind the baggers are smarter than you think. They are unleashing fringe elements hoping to provoke a “political” prosecution much the delight of the gun nuts.
Joy
Jan. 13th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Great post Rmuse! It amazes me how much these RW extremists are getting away with. They are dangerous people!
LT Elkins
Jan. 13th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
I don’t know what to say. Our country is in deep dire trouble when people such as the Bachmans & Walches have a place in our government to begin with. Who in their right mind votes in someone like Michellle Bachmann? God (Allah; or whomever u wish to defer to) help us! I can’t even recognize the country I grew up in as a child & when I try to tell my grandchildren of the “good ole days”, they look at me in utter disbelief. Can’t blame them; our country is nothing like it was even 40 years ago; and sadly because of people like the extremist right; we have become worse, not better. What a legacy to leave; especially from those who always say they are so worried about our next generation. Because of them we are less accepting, more racist, and poorer (at least most of us) than almost ever before in our history. I don’t know what can be done but I sure hope we come up with a doable plan very soon. Our President has tried; but with obstruction the only thing that congress seems able to do; it is going to be left up to the rest of us; the true patriots; to turn this country around so we do indeed leave our children and grandchildren a better place to live. Hang in there folks. Don’t allow yourselves to become bitter or apathetic; that won’t solve anything. We must band together, vote these lunatics out, and do whatever is required of us to make the important changes our country so desperately needs.
inez
Jan. 13th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Is it not illegal to yell “fire” in a crowded facility, when that is not factual? Attempting to incite a riot or groups to violate laws, is there no penalty for that?A grammar school child was arrested for using his finger to imitate a gun , huh? These anticonstitutionalists clearly are in violation of the laws of the land. Isn’t threatening against the law? These so call”patriots” are unworthy of that title. They are anti-Americans, if there was ever one!