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Hypocrisy and Lies Take Center Stage at The Response
more from Hrafnkell Haraldsson
At the outset it’s important to note that though The Response is the largest gathering ever for Rick Perry, even 20,000 people is not awe-inspiring, nor was the presence of only one other governor, Sam Brownback of Kansas. Look at the effort that went into this shindig; look at the “luminaries” present. And 20,000 is the most they could manage? And in Texas? A thinking person would not see this as a mandate but then Tea Partiers saw 2010 as a mandate…alright, alright, I did say “thinking person”, which means Perry will probably draw the conclusion that he has been anointed by his god to lead America out of the wilderness.
Thanks to the folks at Right Wing Watch those people who were curious about The Response but didn’t have the stomach to watch the live-streaming, can get a quick overview of the day-long event through the following video:
For those who wanted to know more I thought I’d take a look at some individual comments and incidents as well. For example, James and Shirley Dobson portrayed America as the British army at Dunkrik in 1940, surrounded by the Nazis and needing a miracle.
Their claim is that the British army was saved by prayer. But what saved the British army was Adolf Hitler, who let the British army escape. Remember, history is not the religious right’s strong-suit. What can you expect when one of The Response’s supporters is the anti-historian himself, David Barton?
James Dobson: “And Britain was saved because of a national day of prayer. Ladies and Gentlemen, we desperately need our own miracle of Dunkirk today. Our nation is surrounded by forces that we don’t control and we have problems that none of our leaders can solve. We come to the end of our rope and we have come here today to call on the lord for a miracle – a miracle of Dunkirk to occur in this great nation. “
Shirley Dobson: “We are in great need at this time and in some ways we feel like the soldiers at Dunkirk in 1940. We are surrounded by evil and immorality.”
Actually, what the British were surrounded by was LOTS of German soldiers and tanks and planes. Immorality wasn’t a big concern for any involved. More to the point, godliness and godlessness had nothing to do with their predicament. Poor generalship and inferior equipment did.
What’s ironic is that in an email sent out before The Response, participants were lectured on the evils of lying:
Jesus tells us that all lies come from the devil (John 8:44). Lies come in many variations. Oftentimes people use truth to perpetrate lies. For instance, when only part of the truth is told to make the hearer believe something other than what is actually true, it is a deception, a lie. Satan used this method in his temptations of Jesus.
Lying in all its forms is the work of the enemy and in opposition to the Lord. Jesus is truth incarnate. He in no way agrees with falsehood. Therefore, when we speak words that are dishonest or deceptive, we are no longer operating by the Spirit of the Lord, but rather by the influence of the enemy. We must ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to us times when we have been dishonest or deceptive and in turn repent of this sin. In some cases it will be necessary to confess the lie to individuals who have been wronged by it. Deal with this sin in the way the Holy Spirit leads you.
Of course, that’s all we’ve seen and all we continue to see from the Religious Right, is lie upon lie. Rather than condemning lying, you would think they’d be celebrating it. There certainly seems to be no interest in pursuing the truth, as the Dobson’s so ably demonstrating with their opening prayer, as others from right wing hate groups, including Focus on the Family, have done at DOMA hearings before Congress.
If we are to take this email at face value, the only conclusion one can draw is that the forces gathered in Reliant Stadium are the forces of the devil.
As if to double-down on the lying theme, Rick Perry took the stage just before noon and did some prayerful lying of his own, saying that his god’s “agenda is not a political agenda. His agenda is a salvation agenda.” Of course, we have to remember that his supporters say the Democratic party is the party of Satan, and of course, The Response itself is nothing but political.
“Father, our heart breaks for America. We see discord at home. We see fear in the marketplace. We see anger in the halls of government and, as a nation, we have forgotten who made us, who protects us, who blesses us, and for that, we cry out for your forgiveness,” said Perry, praying with hands clasped.
“Father, we pray for our president, that you would impart your wisdom upon him, that you would guard his family,” the governor said. “You call us to repent, Lord, and this day is our response.”
We haven’t forgotten anything, but Rick Perry and his supporters have forgotten U.S. history, the U.S. Constitution and the Founding Fathers who created the secular government he now assails (when he’s not begging money off it when his prayers don’t work). In the end, Perry, like his supporters, went mostly Old Testament, appealing to Isaiah and Joel, but also Ephesians, which scholars agree was not written by Paul but was forged in his name. The writing style is different, even the theology is different; the author of Ephesians says believers have already been saved (2:5-6) but Paul speaks of a future salvation – it hasn’t happened yet (1 Corinthians 15).
Given the dishonest nature of the book being quoted, it seems a perfect match for the proceedings for which it was used.
In the end, Rick Perry did as expected. He sold his soul to the forces of theocracy. Yes, he claimed he loves this country, but he says he loves “the living Christ” more, which means the U.S. Constitution – and significantly, We the People – come in a poor second.
Something else also came in second – Israel. Yes, you’ve heard all the “support” for Israel from the Religious Right. But here at the Response they prayed to God to put an end to Judaism, asking him to make the Jewish people recognize their own messiah at last.
Today Israel is not only back in the land but they are coming to their own Messiah. Tens even hundreds of thousands of Jewish people in the last decades have come to their Messiah. And so Lord we pray for the revival around the world and for Israel to come to their own Messiah.
Obviously, if they “come to their messiah” they will no longer be Jews, but Christians, but this is, of course, Christianity’s end-goal for Israel. It is not and never has been that Christianity loves Judaism (look at the history of bloody anti-Jewish pogroms for evidence) but that Israel is seen as central to Christian end-time prophecies. These end-time scenarios see Jews converted or killed, just like the rest of us, an orgiastic celebration of genocide to outdo all other genocides.
Yes, they love America, and they love Israel. But it’s a love we can all do without, thank you very much, because it’s a love that benefits only them, not the rest of us. Americans have been warned; the forces of dominionism told us what they plan for us and there is no longer any excuse to pretend no threat exists. It does, and it is represented by the forces arrayed here against the Constitution and against America itself. It only takes a small number of fanatics to win, folks. Remember, the Nazis weren’t the majority in 1933 either, and look how that turned out for Germany.
For Right Wing Watch’s Fact Sheet on Rick Perry’s Supporters at The Response go here. Prepare a bath for later because if you don’t already you WILL feel unclean by the time you’re done.
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A Walkaway
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 8:56 am
“Love” that serves only the so-called “lover”… wouldn’t that be a bit closer to the definition of infatuation or exploitation?
I’m sick of them and their damned hypocrisy and lies. We encountered a huge dose of it Friday night… our church was essentially accused of proselytizing by one of their preachers, although all we did was answer questions, provide fun crafts for the kids, and hand out magnets and fliers to people who wanted them. The “Good Christian” accusers were accosting people in the street (literally blocking the road at times), proselytizing people AT our booth, and using some rather deceptive ways to try to browbeat people into “accepting Jesus”. There were always at least 3-4 of their people out in the road, stopping and tracting people.
They even were proselytizing KIDS… adults pushing their form of “Christianity” on kids as young as 8 years old! (Using the deceptive browbeating too.) Of course, they got a pass… after all, they’re Christians don’tcha know and thus are “good people”! (RETCH!)
It got a bit funny a couple of times… I saw them start to pursue people who crossed the street in a clear attempt to try to avoid them!
I expect that “The Response” is the same sorts like we encountered. I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the people we had problems with sat at home yesterday to watch!
Nasty Liberal
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 11:05 am
These folk do just want it all, don’t they? For Free!
Leah Burton
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Having watched the entire Show, and tweeted with a person that was there, I had to write about this from a little different take.
“My Response to Perry’s Altar Cult” godsownparty.com/blog/201...
There were so many dogwhistles and significant acts tucked into this gathering. Thank you Hraf for addressing the details of their real message about Israel and Judaism!
Once Perry announces, be prepared for these crowds to grow in size and zealotry.
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
My take was that this was a sarah palin dog and pony show set up specially for Perry
Leah Burton
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Your take is correct.
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
I strongly advise this article linked to above be read
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 9:19 am
1st thought, Perry sounds exactly like Beck and his “gatherings”. This will change the world and people will be talking about this for a very long time
2nd, this was a Sarah Palin movie and bus tour for Perry.
Our unsolvable problems are republicans who choose not to solve them, but to make them worse. And they know it.
Its hard to call something non political when you spend all your time talking about it. The miracle we need will come in 2012
I dont remember any prophecy stating the jews would convert to anything.
This was nothing more than an advertisement for fundamentalism masked in christianity
Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Oh helheim no, the prophecies in the Old Testament see just the opposite – everyone else becoming a Jew or dying – the Christian Bible has just reversed things. Whoever has the messiah the rest of us are the losers.
Nasty Liberal
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
I see terrific Irony, in this: these prayerful folk have missed who the Teacher has in fact transformed the World (depredations of Cross-touters through History notwithstanding). For heavens sake there isn’t even Islam without the Teacher! The Enlightenment? I think “He” can “claim” that too. His book of instruction has permeated near every nook and cranny of humankind, again the foolishness of the knuckleheads or as I call them the monkeys with dynamite being a sideshow (yes, a huge and destructive sideshow, and one which does spin out of control now and again) only.
So, in a very real sense (but only the correct sense) this United States indeed can be called a “Christian Nation.” By the very same token this is already a Christian World. And it is this very Nation, and it is this very World, that these prayerful folk seek to subjugate and demean… and ultimately, despoil. By their own admission, no less.
Reynardine
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 9:58 am
They love the United States the way Minute Maid loves oranges, with the same results for the well- being of the orange.
At least one of these speakers is an open seditionist, without resorting to any artful construction of the word “force” in the sedition sections of the U.S. Code. The rest are very close indeed. Given how far up the chain many of these people have infiltrated both state and federal law enforcement, and how many of them have lied and foresworn their way into security clearances to view the most sensitive material, the hopes of ever exposing and prosecuting them are dimming quickly, but it must be done before the lights go out altogether.
The only way that most Americans could be seduced into overthrowing their own lawfully constituted government is through being convinced that “Gahd” is a “ril Americun” and “He” wants them to do it for the sake of “ril Americuh”. That is why this “religion” is being pushed. That is why secular education is being dismantled and textbooks Bartonized. That is why the CNP is an unholy alliance of plutonomist interests and the most retrograde mega”religions” imaginable, and why Rupert Murdoch, one of the ungodliest human beings on the planet, is serving as the Mouth of Sauron.
Incidently, the “prayer” that saved the soldiers at Dunkirk and Great Britain from invasion… was the joint effort of the Wiccan and pagan covens of the Isles, some of whose senders expended so much force that they died, and some of whose relays channelled so much that they lay in a swoon for days. Metaphysics is physics we don’t understand. The tachyon particle is barely understood; the psion is postulated but has escaped detection. We handle these forces – to the degree that we do- only empiricly, but whether in a church, a temple, a mosque, or a grove, we are doing the same thing.
Nasty Liberal
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Them there Wiccans and such do dearly love their boats, they do.
Nasty Liberal
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 10:08 am
The writer makes a good point about Dunkirk and the B.E.F and French Army remnants in the sack there; and the notion of mobilizing every boat every skiff every dingy don’t occur to the British people by virtue of prayer, it was the notions of Science made that “miracle” happen.
Nasty Liberal
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 10:23 am
When considering the psychologies as well as the overarching strategies of warfare, the decision of the Wehrmacht on the part of Hitler to stay their hand from annihilating the British Continental forces–and not insignificantly, the folks who would comprise the core (corps?) of the Free France and Free Poland Armies–is a prime case study.
The would-be ruler of Continental Europe considered the notion and element of the reactions of the British and Colonial peoples in his strategic calculations.
Nasty Liberal
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Drat! Strike Colonial insert Imperial, last sentence.
Reynardine
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 10:09 am
(continued)
What this means is that when “prayer warriors” are sending out “prayers” for “enemies” to be baffled, “destroyed”, killed outright, they are invoking a curse… as surely as any “devil-worshipper” could ever do.
Nasty Liberal
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Any disciple of the true Teacher knows prayers are for guidance and strength only; requests for intercessions, special power are expressly forbidden. That’s something George Washington knew, by the way.
Although there’s no man can help asking for a little help with the weather.
Nasty Liberal
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Add: Strength should be understood as fortitude not force.
Nasty Liberal
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 10:53 am
All generals pray for help with the weather, how the heck can’t they? but they don’t always get it. George Washington sure didn’t get any help with it at Valley Forge; nor did the Invasion force at Normandy in the days following the successful Landing.
Sometimes there is meteorological cooperation (witness the Day of that Landing, for instance)… but do these folk really want to argue that George Washington prayed for cover so his Force could withdraw intact from Brooklyn Heights? That’s all they can hang on him in way of asking intercession.
Guidance and Strength; Wisdom and Fortitude.
Nasty Liberal
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 10:59 am
“God, help me out with this retreat a little, will ya’?!”~Geo Washington Aug 29 1776
“Just give me a little futzing Fog, fer’ crying out loud!” he also said.
Ingarose
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Didn’t Jesus say something to the effect that people should pray in secret and go into the closet and pray, not parade out in the marketplace?
Nasty Liberal
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Oh yeah, there’s that too…
Not much on ostentation, was that there Teacher.
Leah Burton
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
“By your good deeds they will know you”….”pride goeth before the fall” and a slew of other verses in the Bible counter their approach to Dominion religion. Humble is not an act we will witness in these gatherings….
crsytalwolfakacaligrl
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
C Street!
These people have ruined the “flag” for me, “prayer” (I call meditation)the word “God” (god is dog spelled backwards)”Jesus”, they have wrecked it all with their hypocrisy & pious BS & lies!
I can’t even VERBALIZE the Contempt I have for them and their idiotic beliefs.
And I’m not the only one.
crsytalwolfakacaligrl
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
cont:
If Jesus walked the earth TODAY he would see THEM as the GREEDY, Lyin’ MONEY CHANGERS! HE WOULD SO CRUSH THEM LIKE THE BUGS THEY ARE!
Nasty Liberal
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
There are many means of crushing; some involve gentle yet unrelenting pressure.
Leah Burton
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
They do need to quit asking “WWJD – What would Jesus do?”
I don’t think they will like the answer.
A Walkaway
Aug. 8th, 2011 at 9:48 am
We ask – what DID Jesus do?
They seem to have turned Him from a historical person into some mythical god-warrior. Never mind that He wasn’t about war at all, and it can be argued that a good part of what he was trying to teach was non-violent resistance to the severely oppressive Roman government and the structure that impoverished ordinary citizens of the time.
Green Genius
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Scientists just concluded it only takes 10% of a population’s belief to influence the whole populations group experience. At least it is higher than sheep. Sheep will follow a single lead ewe.
Ingarose
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Yes, and Glenn Beck has been using this statistic a lot. So for this matter are the teabaggers. Sometimes democrats are too scattered because many do not behave like sheep.
Brown cow
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Hitler got a lot of people to think he was doing God’s work too. I don’t see much difference between him and Dobson.
Lori
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Shirley Dobson: “We are in great need at this time and in some ways we feel like the soldiers at Dunkirk in 1940. We are surrounded by evil and immorality.”
You betcha! Just look around at all those people attending this “event.” (Can’t get much more evil than this.)
majii
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Not to mention that, iirc, TX is #3 in the nation in number of kids born out of wedlock. When Perry was asked about the value of abstinence education in preventing unwanted pregnancies in TX recently, even when presented with the facts by the interviewer, he said abstinence education works in TX!
Reynardine
Aug. 7th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Oh, Hell, Crystal, let’s try it on.
(1) God is love.
(2) Dogs are love incarnate.
(3) God is a Dog.
Hey, I’ll go to that church!… No, wait, I already do. In fact, I have to walk my shiny, black-coated, rather large god as soon as the heat of the day decreases a little.
Anne
Aug. 8th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Perry and his ilk make a mockery of prayer partly because he is praying for solutions to problems that he caused in his own state, and partly because these folks are preaching hatred. It’s utterly sickening.