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John Boehner Unveils New Debt Ceiling Plan: Bitch, Bail, and Flail
While watching John Boehner discuss the debt ceiling crisis on Fox News Sunday it became clear that the GOP plan never was cut, cap, and balance, but bitch, bail, and flail.
Here is Boehner on Fox News Sunday:
What started out on Boehner’s two step process turned into a remarkable exchange between the Speaker and Chris Wallace:
BOEHNER: Well, there will be a two-stage process, it’s just not physically possible to do all of this in one step. Having said that, Chris, I know the president is worried about his next election. But my God, shouldn’t he be worried about the country? We have got a budget deficit of $1.5 trillion. We’re borrowing 42 cents on every dollar we spend, we have $14.5 trillion national debt. It is time to get serious about stopping the spending here in Washington, D.C.
WALLACE: So are you suggesting you might pass a short-term plan in the House and in effect, dare the Senate, dare the White House to block it?
BOEHNER: Chris, this is about what is doable at the 11th hour. Remember this, you mentioned this to Secretary Geithner. The House has done its work. We passed a budget, we passed a plan.
WALLACE: I know but they have been defeated.
BOEHNER: We passed cut, cap and balance.
WALLACE: But they have been defeated, sir.
The above demonstrates exactly how Boehner and GOP’s bitch, bail, and flail plan works. First comes the complaint about the size of the national debt. The complaint is followed by bailing on doing anything serious by touting a House plan that was DOA the millisecond it was passed. The process is then concluded by flailing anytime reality is injected into the conversation. (For example, Chris Wallace pointing out that the Senate rejected the House plan).
The same interview gave us another example of bitch, bail, and flail:
BOEHNER: I think it is important that we deal with our long-term problem. It’s serious. Washington spending has been out of control. And what has happened over the last two years really shows how much out of control it got. Trillion-dollar stimulus plan, a health care plan that we can’t afford, all of this extra spending that has not worked. And the spending binge has to stop. And our efforts all year have focused on trying to stop it.
And as I look at trying to put together a plan with my colleagues, I am going to work with them in the framework of cut, cap and balance, because those are the three things that have to happen if we are going to instill confidence in our economy.
WALLACE: But when you say cut, cap and balance, the Senate resoundingly tabled the idea of a balanced budget amendment. You are not going to insist on that again. Whether it’s a good plan or not.
BOEHNER: I continue to believe that a balanced budget amendment is the greatest enforcement mechanism to bring Washington spending under control.
WALLACE: But you are not going to make that a condition.
BOEHNER: I am going to continue to develop a framework within the principles of cut, cap and balance.
It is as easy as 1, 2, 3. Again, Boehner starts with the size of the debt, bails on a real solution by talking about the deader than dead House plan, and then he flails when confronted reality.
Earlier on the same program Treasury Sec. Tim Geithner talked about the real motivations behind the House plan:
The Republican plan that passed the House of Representatives and the Republican brought forth in the Senate would, in the estimate of the CBO, require beneficiaries of Medicare to pay $6,500 a year more, $6,500 a year more for Medicare benefits that they do today.
And why are they doing that? They are doing that because they want to preserve — I don’t think the speaker does say this — but they want to preserve tax cuts that benefit the top 2 percent of Americans that we simply cannot afford.
And what they did and they demonstrated in their plans — and I give them credit for this — that if you try to our budget without revenues, with tax reforms that raises revenues, then you are forced to put in place exceptional harsh cuts not just for Medicare beneficiaries but for Medicaid. And remember this country, this great nation with our great resources today, one in eight Americans are eligible for food stamps today. Forty percent of Americans born today are born to families eligible for Medicaid.
The idea that you can ask the American people to balance this budget on the backs of the elderly and the most vulnerable with no burden through tax reforms on the most fortunate Americans is fundamentally unacceptable. It’s not going to happen. They knew it. It’s not going to become law.
When Wallace asked Boehner about Geithner’s point, the Speaker ran for cover, “I’m not going to get involved in all that political sniping. I am interested in a solution to the problem we face. I don’t want to see default. I don’t frankly want to get anywhere close to it.”
The Republican talking point is Democrats don’t have a plan. This is based on the faulty premise that that the country needs a plan in order to raise the debt ceiling. We need one line of legislation, not a plan. What is happening here is that Republicans are trying to use the debt ceiling crisis as a backdoor means of killing Social Security and Medicare. That’s what cut, cap, and balance is really about.
After the first Republican plan (Operation: Debt Ceiling Hostage) ran smack into a brick wall named Barack Obama, Boehner came up with bitch, bail, and flail. Of course this plan won’t lower the debt, or raise the debt ceiling. By this point, Boehner and the GOP are doing damage control.
Bitch, bail, and fail is all about trying to win back the favor of the tea party. Republicans have already lost the debt ceiling battle. All that is left to be seen is whether they are foolish enough to nuke the US economy by pushing the big red default button.
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Jim H
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
That’s a good point. The Republicans have been claiming that ONLY the Republicans have a plan, even though that plan is an unrealistic POS. There is no need for a plan. The plan is a distraction.
Besides, didn’t the GOP already admit this year that we could cut 100% of non-military discretionary spending and still not close the budget deficit? Knowing this, why is the GOP even mentioning Social Security and Medicare when those alone would NEVER get the job done?
Dave
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Social Security and Medicare are not discretionary spending. If you cut 100% of all dicrectionary spending, which includes defense spending, you’d still be about $50 billion short of a balanced budget. The only way to have a balanced budget this year would be to cut mandatory spending, the largest of which is social security and medicare.
That ignores the question of why you’d want to have a balanced budget this year. Our tax revenues are down substantially because of the Bush era tax cuts and the recession. A balanced budget this year is just not possible. That said, the debate over raising the debt ceiling is stupid. It must be raised or the government goes into default. Even without going into default, if the markets percieve a real chance of default next week, interest rates will begin to rise. A 1% increase in interest rates would cost about a trillion dollars over the life of the securities issued at that rate. Also, the Democrats have offered several plans, all of which Republicans have rejected because they included new tax revenues. Just Friday, they were close to a deal but Boehner walked out over a 400 billion dollar increase in revenue through closing some tax loopholes, 40 billion a year, less than 2% increase in overall revenue.
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
I do believe we chased Soxfan4life away! Whimp!!!
Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Saw that comment made here today, that the Democrats have no plan. This is their story and they’re sticking to it. It sells to the ideologically obtuse.
soxfan4life
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Show me a plan. The GOP has their plan out there, both in the Ryan budget and CCB. Can you provide a link to the Democrat plan,or is it as elusive as the moderate Muslim? They haven’t passed a budget since Ted Kennedy was a Senator, so why would we expect a debt ceiling plan?
Sarah Jones
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Wow! You’re so clever! We will all pretend we don’t know that the GOP never had a chance in hell of passing the Tea Party plan cuz that makes your point much better. And negotiations should be pledged not discussed! Heave ho, you got us there. Nice tip of the strawmen re the Muslims, but I suspect you’re gonna have bigger problems with that meme since an Altas Shrugged Christian just killed 100 people……..
soxfan4life
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
And as of yet no Democrat plan, why should the GOP pass a bill that is pleasing to Democrats, when according to sources, a deal had been struck only to have the President renege when he felt more revenue needed to be included? And really negotiations should be pledged not discussed, unless it involves the President having a presser every day to have a temper fit in public. As for the moderate Muslim, that holds true regardless of what happened in Norway.
Dorothy Rissman
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
I have had it snarky. Go play in the repug slop. You have no interest in moving anything forward.
The man in the video is a loser. The republicans have not advanced a jobs bill since the 2010 elections. Instead, your party has tried to destroy effect, energy saving light bulbs, bring down the EPA and Health Care Reform. That is just a partial list. It seems you are the party of hate and destruction.
I see you are also a racist. That does not surprise me at all. Muslim is the code word repugs use to put down the president. We know what you mean.
Laurel
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
Moderate Muslims do exist and I have worked for four that I know of. They also treated me better and showed me more respect than any so called Christian employer ever has. I got a Christmas bonus every year and if someone had won the lotto while I had been working there, the profits would have been shared with me and all of the other employees.
As far as the dems plan what more do you want. They have once again capitulated to the right wing 3:1. Three Trillion in cuts in exchange for 1 Trillion in new revenue and the reps stormed off like spoiled brats.
majii
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
It breaks my heart seeing a fellow American who has fully ingested rw lies. President Obama produced his 2012 budget in February of this year. It included suggestions from the bi-partisan budget commission on reducing the deficit.
www.nytimes.com/packages/...
thehill.com/blogs/on-the-...
How did you miss seeing this?
Christan
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 12:15 am
You do realize the budget must originate in the house right?
Sarah Jones
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 12:26 am
NO, he is not aware of that……his leaders aren’t pushing reality these days.
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Soxfan, Pres. Bush gave the wealthiest of Americans a huge tax cut because “they” said that would give them more money to hire more people. That didn’t happen!!! Instead, they padded their big pockets even more. They were caught with their pants on fire…lying. Those tax cuts should now be revoked as a result of their lies. If you gave a child $5 to buy milk, but the child bought candy instead, would you give said child another $5 to buy milk? It’s as simple as that! (Got to make it simple for the simple-minded.)
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Right on, Laurel!!! I am Christian, but I have a close relationship with somebody who is a moderate Muslim. He is the sweetest, kindest, most peace-loving person I know!
soxfan4life
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Yes the Budget must originate from the House, and the Ryan budget was passed and then died in the Senate. As for being a racist, Islam is a religion not a race, and I am the knuckle dragger, forgive me if I don’t buy the religion of peace meme, too much time in the Mid-East to see what they are like for real. Oh, I know get them out of their native lands and they are totally different. And my criticisms of the President are strictly policy, nothing to do with his race, heritage,or religious belief, just his ideology, how does that stack up for your racist argument. I see you have no problem going after me, do you have a something against Caucasian, heterosexual, males who are combat veterans? When I took my oaths to protect and defend the Constitution, it was for all American citizens, not just a select few. Careful sitting up on your high horse Dorothy, don’t want to see you get hurt when you fall off.
Bo Lester
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
US Constitution: Budget Bill must start in the House of Representatives All bills relating to raising money (taxes), and the budget, must originate in the House of Representatives. The Republican keep repeating the same lie over repeatedly until the people believe it. (I have an insight at the end to show you were this ideal of repeating a lie was first used) The Senate cannot write a budget Bill that includes increase revenue. The senate can write a clean rising the Debt Ceiling Bill, the problem is it takes 60 votes and Republicans have vowed and even sign a joint letter than they will not allow any such bill to pass.
“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, people will believe it.”
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
Adolf Hitler
gin
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
wow.. that is frighteningly true in this case…
majii
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Thursday before last, the day that Eric Cantor lied about President Obama leaving the meeting in an angry manner, there was an exchange between the president and Cantor:
Cantor: “Where is your plan, Mr. President?”
President Obama: “Your leader has my plan. Now, am I negotiating with him, or am I negotiating with you?”
After the meeting on the following day, aides reported that Cantor didn’t say one word in the entire session.
What I’ve written above can be easily located using Google. Look it up.
Sarah Jones
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Er, um, those facts don’t translate to Fox News talking points for the man. He’ll be back in a few…..
nk007
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 2:44 am
Are you suggesting that there no “moderate Muslims.”
If that’s the case how do you explain all the Moslems that were buddy, buddy with right wing Republicans? How about Ahmed Chalabi who snookered us into invading Iraq to get rid of Saddam Hussein? How about Pavez Musharaf that your man George Bush worked with? How about King Abdullah who was out holding hands with his buddy George Bush? How about Hamidi Karzai, the darling of the right and the oil companies? So now all Moslems are radical terrorists? Would you like it if we called all teabaggers radical white supremacist?
Please explain this why is it necessary, all of a sudden, to delay the raising of the debt ceiling, some thing that has been done routinely in the past? Could it be because we have a black President? Would you rather destroy the economy just because you hate the idea of having a black president? Is that sane?
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Bravo, nk007!!!
Shiva (Moderator)
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Bitch, Bail, and Flail, now thats a title.
Where are the jobs? You made the wealthy wealthier andf they are not cooperating. Stop blaming the government, the fact is the jobs are overseas.
Secondly, the spending has nothing to do with raising the debt ceiling. Raise the debt ceiling and take a measured process to cut spending. Just walking up and cutting without caring does not work. Telling Americans with cap cut and kill that they no longer will have SS will not get you an agreement.
The republicans are forcing this without reason. If we go into default it will be for no reason other than making Obama a 1 term president. And thats it.
Vote them out
Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Right. It’s not about jobs for the GOP: it’s about low wages and screwing working, disabled, elderly and poverty stricken Americans while further enriching the rich. Some plan.
Dorothy Rissman
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Vote them out is right. The thought of these idiots having the White House is frightening. The one good thing about their hatred and dirty play is that I think it will drive the dems to vote. Even those who are not happy with the president.
They better get over it, or bye bye freedom, education, health care, social security, and medicare. Say hello to even more income disparity.
soxfan4life
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Did that happen under President Bush? As far as Medicare goes, the Democrats raided it for $500 billion for Obamacare, so maybe you ought to look at the Democrats too.
Shiva (Moderator)
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Link?
Sarah Jones
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
You be waitin’ long time – must go search Any Rand library for next talking point. Screw food! We need job creators! Also, Somalia is the model and what’s not to like? HUH?
Shiva (Moderator)
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
LOL
Dorothy Rissman
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Do some checking soxfan. Bush ran up a deficit of about 1.2 trillion dollars in 2009. He engaged in two wars and did not pay a penny of that debt and the tax breaks he gave to the rich, in order to win reelection. Also let’s not forget that he set up Medicare and never paid a penny for that program. None of these issues were part of his budget. He did out of the good of his tiny heart.
soxfan4life
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 5:34 am
“He engaged in two wars and did not pay a penny of that debt and the tax breaks he gave to the rich, in order to win reelection”
Those very same tax cuts that President Obama extended in December because he said if he didn’t it would hurt the average middle class American? Again there is more than enough money to pay SS, VA, military and veterans as well as debt service. Will cuts have to be made elsewhere, yes, but where the cuts get made is up to the President and Treasury, so if you don’t get paid, you are either a pawn or not at the top of his priority list.
Shiva (Moderator)
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 8:22 am
Where cuts get made is in the house and you know it.
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Right on, Dorothy Rissman! Soxfan, you suck. If you are blogging right now, I suspect you don’t have a job. Why don’t you go to the wealthy and ask them to hire you? Or are you unemployable? Think, Soxfan, think. Sooner or later it will be YOU who finds misfortune…and who will be there to help you pick up the pieces? Obama truly cares about the American people. Bush cared about his wealthy buddies! He screwed up this country. If the republicans didn’t/couldn’t correct the mess they created when Bush left office, why should we EVER believe they now have all the answers?
Matthew Gentry
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
More rhetoric from the Right….Medicare was not raided to fund the Healthcare Reform Act. The $500B came from projected savings created by the Healthcare Reform Act via free preventative check-ups etc. and also from overpayments through Medicare Advantage. There were not decreases in patient coverage or increases to what patient’s would have to pay unlike the Ryan Budget, or that farce of Cut Cap & Balance…..
majii
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
You’re old enough and smart enough to know that the word “cut” when speaking from a fiscal POV, has more than one meaning. Those “cuts” you are referring to to Medicare were NOT cuts in benefits, but cuts to payments the government makes to hospitals, other medical facilities and doctors who were being overpaid for their services.
For example, some hospitals have been billing the federal government for a full day’s treatment on a patient when the patient was only at the hospital and was only in treatment for 1 hour. It makes sense for the government to NOT pay more for patients’ treatments than the patients actually receive. Hospitals should NOT be allowed to defraud the government via its’ billing tactics. This is one of the “cuts” that you have been led to believe the ACA makes to Medicare. Not true.
By not doing your homework and by listening to Fox News, rw blogs, rw radio entertainers, and rw politicians’ lies, you have led them to convince you to NOT allow the government to save YOU money, and, they have been successful at getting you to scream about government spending too much money at the SAME time.
These are opposing positions you seem to have on the same subject!! You want government to save taxpayers’ money, but when it does, you object???
Sarah Jones
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
And fraud and wasteful spending like the money we spent as taxpayers at the Florida Governor’s 13 fraud convictions medical facilities — Rick Scott knows how to “privatize” – i,e., steal the people’s money.
nk007
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 3:09 am
It is clear the teabag-Republicans would rather destroy America in order to save it from a black man who was elected president by the majority of the people, in an electoral landslide. That is what all this posturing and manufactured crisis is all about.
It’s not about raising the debt ceiling, since 1939 raising the debt ceiling has been routine in Congress. Congress raised the debt ceiling throughout SAINT Ronnie Reagan’s Eight years. Congress raised it during George Bush Sr’s presidency. Congress raised it several times during Bill Clinton’s presidency. Congress raised it 7 times (it might have been 8 times but he inherited a budget surplus from Democrat Bill Clinton) during the God anointed George W. Bush Jr.’s presidency. John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell all have in the past voted to raise the debt ceiling without a murmur! So why are they all of a sudden joining the insane teabaggers to push the country to the brink of economic catastrophe?
Mitch McConnell said it loud and clear: their #1 GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS A ONE TERM PRESIDENT! If that means destroying the country, they’ll say, so be it
I am with you Shiva. We must answer the teabag-Republicans by voting them out! They are not fit to govern
soxfan4life
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 5:28 am
“Mitch McConnell said it loud and clear: their #1 GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS A ONE TERM PRESIDENT! If that means destroying the country, they’ll say, so be it”
So what was your opinion of Nancy Pelosi saying in 2006 when she took over the Speaker seat saying their first priority was getting a Democrat elected President. The only difference between Bush and Obama, Obama promised to change the system and ran on the failed policies of the Bush administration which he promptly continued, as for the color of his skin, seems like most any time I see it brought up it is by the left.
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Soxfan, when Pelosi sid 20 their first priority was getting a Democrat elected President, that statement was made because during the Bush administration he took this country from propersity to collapse. The evidence is all there. Just read the other posts. Facts are facts!
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Soxfan, when Pelosi said their first priority was getting a Democrat elected President, that statement was made because during the Bush administration he took this country from propersity to the brink of collapse. The evidence is all there. Just read the other posts. Facts are facts!
soxfan4life
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
And the GOP victories as well as the daily polls of Americans not happy with the direction America is going says Obama is a rousing success versus Bush? And a little tidbit for you, I wasn’t a big fan of Bush, he certainly wasn’t a fiscal conservative. I could care less about the social stuff, in fact for social issues I am more libertarian, don’t fund it and don’t get involved. Fiscal policy is a wreck and by kicking the can down the road all we are doing is making the pain later much worse.
soxfan4life
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Sure miss those bad old days of 5% unemployment.
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
nk007, once again you hit the nail on the head! Wish I knew you. Keep up the noble fight! I know far too many republicans who don’t know what they are talking about. When put up to challenge, they crumble for that very reason. One repub I know told me she would lose her health-insurance-based job because of Obama. Huh? The demand for health insurance would actually increase under Obama’s care for America’s people. Duh. Are they really so dumb? Unfortunately, yes. I worked with high school juniors and seniors. I told them they MUST do their research and vote. I told them to listen to parents, friends, teachers, etc. but to also emmerse themselves in the opposing view so they could make educated decisions about the laws our country should follow. Do you know the republican teacher was very angry at me for giving such advice! I suppose it’s because I told the students to NOT vote if they weren’t willing to do their research.
Sarah Jones
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
PERFECT title, great post. You deconstructed this succinctly and memorably.
No plan indeed. What a bunch of cry babies.
Taz Beattie
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
None of you get it, do you? Jobs are overseas because of large amounts of governmental taxation and regulation. You can take all the money away from all the rich people and give it to all the poor people, and you’ll end up with more poor people. Why? Because the poor people don’t give jobs to poor people – the rich people do. Take away the ability of the rich to hire people and no one will have a job. Unless you all are admitted socialists who want the government to control, own and provide everything, increasing taxes will not solve anything. This government does not have a revenue problem – it currently is taking in revenue at the 2nd highest annualized amount in history – it has a spending problem. So the answer isn’t to take more from its people, the answer is to spend less. If any of you ran short on money, the first thing you would do is charge things on credit cards. But once they get maxed out, then you become forced to make cuts in your expenses. Why don’t you expect the same of your government? But instead you argue that we need to keep giving them more and more credit cards.
Sarah Jones
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Yes, you are the only smart one, we is all dumb-ohs! Thank the corporation for sending you to save us!
Shiva (Moderator)
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Of course you know thats a huge bunch of garbage right?
less than 2% of the wealthy create jobs. And they are not over regulated. Thats pure hogwash that you have been told to say. Why were they so profitable when they had regulations and far higher taxes? Of course thats when the US was profitable too
There is a huge income disparity. We take in 20% less per person than we did in 2000. With huge unemployment, taxes cut to corporations, where do you figure we are takin g ion this vast amount of money from?
Cathy
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Too many taxes and regulations really saved us from the Wall Street crash and this recession, didn’t they? Over the last 10 years (under Bush tax cuts and GOP deregulation) the rich and corporations got richer, but where are the jobs? And most of us out here in the real world, if our credit cards are maxed out, get a second job for more revenue to pay our debts. Your response is classic GOP and it is classic hogwash!
Bo Lester
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
“Do tax cuts for the very wealthy stimulate the economy? No. Do lower taxes for the rich create jobs? Nope. The un-funded tax cuts add to the deficit, while keeping more of the country’s wealth in the hands of a very few. So, why are Republicans screeching for tax relief for the super wealthy? Because those are the constituents they work for, not middle class Americans.”
Republicans are trying to tie raising the debt ceiling to deficit and debt reduction, which it should not be. The un-funded tax cuts added to the deficit under George W. Bush of two Wars and the “Tax Cuts to the Wealthy is a previous debt that must be paid for now by raising the Debt ceiling. Republicans are attempting to blame the ENTIRE national debt on this administration, claiming President Obama “reckless spending” is the solitary reason we are in the economic shape we are now in.
The President is willing to work with Congress on the deficit and budget… A Bill to raise the Debt ceiling 7 times under George W. Bush without any controversy and it must be done at this time.
soxfan4life
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
“A Bill to raise the Debt ceiling 7 times under George W. Bush without any controversy and it must be done at this time.”
Would that include the 2006 one when every Democrat in the Senate voted no, and then Senator Obama said asking to raise the debt ceiling was a sign of poor leadership from the top? In fact Senators Coburn, Burns and Ensign joined the Democrats in voting no, so by sticking to their no votes it would seem Burns and Coburn are the only ones with principles. Would that be be without controversy?
Katie Boman
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
“Jobs are overseas because of large amounts of governmental taxation and regulation.”
Bullshit. Jobs are overseas because overseas employment costs a fraction of the pittance the American labor force has been forced to accept, which is why there are so many damned poor people…inflation has has grown by at least 27% in the last ten years, while the median U.S. income hasn’t increased by as much as 10%…and revenues in the U.S. might be “at the second highest annualized amount in history,” (it isn’t, but never mind that for now,) but as of 2008, THIRTY other developed countries ranked higher on revenue percentage of GDP, and we don’t hear about any of their rich business owners complaining that they’re too overtaxed to create jobs or contribute to keeping their nations’ budgets balanced.
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“You can take all the money away from all the rich people and give it to all the poor people, and you’ll end up with more poor people. Why? Because the poor people don’t give jobs to poor people – the rich people do.”
First off, nobody’s asking anyone to take all the money from the rich and give it to the poor…we’re asking them to pay their fucking share of income taxes and suck up paying fair wages to American workers so that we don’t have so many poor people who need welfare and can’t afford to make payments on the shelter they need and can’t afford to pay for the treatment they need when they go into diabetic shock or heart failure or just a broken limb, which results in outrageously inflated medical costs for everyone, and impossibly inflated insurance costs for everyone, and everyone includes you.
Secondly, if the rich people are the ones giving people jobs, I ask like everyone else, (besides you, apparently,) is asking in this time of an unemployment rate that’s been steadily climbing to it’s current nearly 10% since Bush’s tax cuts were first enstated; Where Are The Jobs???
“So the answer isn’t to take more from its people, the answer is to spend less.”
And here’s where you prove how brainwashed you are by the party you were raised to believe is the right party because it’s the party on the right. With this statement you prove that you are convinced that the revenues being asked for are going to somehow come out of your pocket. Unless you are one of the Koch’s, or some other member of the Fortune 400, they’re not. But you’ve been conditioned to believe that when John Beohner says,”no tax hikes on American people,” he actually means you. He doesn’t. He doesn’t mean you, he doesn’t give a shit about you! He means the multi-billionaire corporation owners who actually own this country and everything and everyone in it, because people like you let them.
majii
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
I’ve been waiting for Reagan’s trickle down economics to create more wealth for me since the 1980s, and I’m still waiting.
If giving tax breaks to America’s richest citizens and huge subsidies to Big Business and Big Oil work, where are the jobs these “job creators” were supposed to create?
Where are all of the jobs that the Bush tax cuts were supposed to create? It’s been 10 years!!!
Where are the jobs?
Adults examine policies, analyze results of policies, and are able to make adjustments in their thinking. It’s time for Americans on the right to compare what they were told by republican politicians about the tax cuts and subsidies, and to ask themselves in an honest way, whether the reality they are seeing matches the promises made by rw politicians.
Katie Boman
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
From your lips to God’s ears, my good Majii!
nk007
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 3:24 am
“Because the poor people don’t give jobs to poor people – the rich people do”
You know what Taz, you really don’t know what you are talking about. If to-morrow all the poor people stopped buying burgers from McDonald, the company would quickly bite the dust. If poor people decided that they will not buy products from the evil Koch brothers, the Koch’s would have no money to buy elections. Of course there are many other lies in your post like your stupid claim that the country, with 14 million unemployed, “does not have a revenue problem.”
What is it with right wingers? Why do you think that every one is an idiot and so if you repeat lies they will be easily believed? Your credit card analogy is so stupid in the context of raising the debt ceiling that it does not even deserve a dignified answer because you probably won’t understand it.
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
The rich people don’t give jobs either, unless demand dictates it. It’s a “what came first, the chicken or the egg” scenario. If there is little or no discretionary income out there, people won’t buy. If they have reasonable jobs, they will make purchases. The demand, therefore, increases and the rich can then hire even more people while padding their pockets even more. When Bush was in office, the rich told the American people they would take Bush tax cuts and hire more Americans. They did not!!! As I said earlier, if you give a child money for milk but they instead come home with candy, would you give that child more money for milk?
jcinco
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
70% of Americans want to cut spending and end tax breaks for the wealthy. boehner and the rest of the repugnants choose to ignore the will of the American people to pursue their quest which is to line the pockets of their wealthy donors and to see the president fail. The majority of Americans are beginning to see this and the republicans will pay dearly come next election. We know they care nothing about any of us with the exception of corporate America and the wealthy.
soxfan4life
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
So what spending cuts have the Democrats come up with? And they need to be immediate, as this over ten years BS never comes to pass. Make like I’m from Missouri and show me.
Bo Lester
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
I am from Missouri and I believe the same “Show me” attitude. Therefore, what do I do? I research non-bias sources and watch the House and Senate every day live on cspan and cspan2. (Am disable and home most every day)
So yes the Democrats have shown their plan the republicans repeat claim they haven’t seen it as I watch a Democrat lay it out just before him.
Republicans speak for News clips and Congressional record and has nothing to do with debating a Bill on the floor. If I were a Republican, it would be embarrassing to watch my Rep. and Senators.
Republicans are trying to hold the Nation hostage with the Debt Ceiling. Any way they can to hurt our Economy, this to Make the President look bad and to blame him for our Rescission.
Yesterday I listen to McConnell say the only thing he is interested in is to make President Obama look bad and a one term President
Dorothy Rissman
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Truth to power Bo. Great testimony.
soxfan4life
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
If the plan is out there, surely there is a link to where the public can see it like the Ryan budget and CCB have. So I say show me, one little link, can’t be so hard.
Katie Boman
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Tell you what I’d like to see….YOUR links. You bring ‘em, Let’s see ‘em. One link to one VIABLE, BALANCED plan that does something besides protect the corporations that have Beohner and Ryan in their back pockets and throw every single one of the rest of us under the bus, sucking up another decade or more of stagnant wages and outsourced labor and, on top of all that, a slashed safety net and a hit to Social Security…and while you’re at it, try to explain to me again exactly why I should have to sacrifice one cent of the social security money that the government extracted on a mandatory basis from every single paycheck I’ve earned for the last 22 years.
soxfan4life
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Well Katie, if you read Cap Cut and Balance, Social Security is exempt. apparently you didn’t invest wisely or have much else of a retirement plan, because after 40 years my Dad who paid the maximum into Social and receives a pension from the electric company and dividends from his investments gets 1/3 of his Social Security benefit because he planned and saved for his retirement while climbing poles and working during snow storms and ice storms. So no YOU shouldn’t have to sacrifice a dime in benefits but you have no problem saying others should.
Here’s the text of Cap Cut and Balance from Thomas.gov, check out section 317. exempt from direct cuts
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Shiva (Moderator)
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
The 3 are exempt, however they payout at a much reduced level. Obviously you are playing jedi mind tricks
jcinco
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Thank you Bo, your response was far superior to any I could have given soxfan….
PaulPAtriot
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
almost identical support for not bailing out the banks in 2008
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West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
We democrats really have our work cut out for us, but can we succeed? Yes we can!!! We all must donate if/when we are able. Even if it’s only a few dollars. If we can’t do that, we must volunteer for the democratic party. My only advice is to make sure that those who they land up supporting are truly democrat. I know personally somebody who is clearly republican. He lives in an area full of repugs like himeself. Many from that area chose to run on the repug ticket; he changed parties and ran on the dem ticket! While those repug candidates had to share repug votes, he gathered all of the dem votes in his congressional district because he was the only dem contender. Thank God he didn’t win the final election!
Cathy
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Just watched the interview clip above, and someone looks very nervous. Course I would be too if the only things coming out of my mouth were talking points and false statements. Does the man really think we are all so stupid that we don’t remember who and what got us into this mess? Guess we’ll blame POTUS. Just 3 months ago they were blaming Obama for not being involved enough in the debt talks, now they say they have been working with him for 6 months. Obama got involved because they weren’t doing their jobs. Boehner claims to want bipartisan support, but his attitude and references to his House Republican colleagues show his real commitment is to his own party. And his statement that he is in Congress to work for the people flies out the window when he refuses to acknowledge what the majority desire. Let them all go down in flames. America is a great country and we will survive, but saner heads must prevail.
Reynardine
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
In fact, people of quite moderate circumstances used to create jobs and income for each other a lot better than these huge conglomerates do, and the America that the retropatriots profess to miss was one of small farms, small factories, small shops, and small towns. Yet that is the very America that they have plowed under and paved over, and the glittering corporate octopi they replaced it with they downsized and outsourced. So why don’t these “wealth creators” just leave, as they threaten to, and let us rebuild America? Because if they can’t control us, they’ll have to be afraid of us. That is the reason they keep such a death grip on us: to turn us into an endocolony, kept “stupid, docile, and slow-witted” (thank you, Himmler) by our Dominionist overseers.
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Bravo Reynardine! For many years, a local farmer has been able to survive because of the land he owns himself as well as the land he manages for other nearby owners. We recently inherited a small farm. In oregon, if a family’s assets exceed $1M by even $1, the State of Oregon taxes the entire estate! We were just over the $1M limit because “mother” never gave two sons small parcels that were gifted to them through their father’s will. (She never went through probate, never produced a will for review, and held that wealth over their heads till her own death.) In order to pay the $47K inheritance tax we landed up selling farm land to a wealthy land speculator who is no longer using the land for farming purposes. (The estate was cash poor.) Fortunately, because we have preserved the remaining land for farming purposes, the individual who has been managing this farm for many years…as well as others nearby…is able to survive today.
Scorpie
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Why don’t these ‘so-called’ legislators just type out the one sentence phrase and raise the debt ceiling? Then they can fight all the hell they want to about the rest of it. I am so scared right now that I am almost making myself sick wondering if hubby and I will have any income on the first of the month. We are retired and all of our income comes from the government. Sorry for the rant but I gotta type somewhere.
soxfan4life
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
If you were in debt over your head, would you expect the bank to loan you more money without you showing them some type of behavior modification? There is more than enough money coming through the doors every month to pay Social Security, VA benefits, the military and veterans, as well as servicing the debt. If you do not receive your Social Security checks it will be because President Obama’s Treasury Secretary chose some federal program over you. All the rest is smoke and mirrors, and campaigning for 2012.
Sarah Jones
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
I sure as hell wouldn’t expect them to lend to me if I had NO REVENUE. and they wouldn’t. DOH.
soxfan4life
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
But they do have revenue, unfortunately they think each dollar they get in is worth almost two dollars. Guess we should do nothing, hold on and wait for Greece to come to America.
soxfan4life
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
By they I mean the government, as I have no idea of the poster’s situation.
Sarah Jones
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Really? So, instead of getting more revenue, like say Reagan rate revenue, the lenders should give us a loan based on our willingness to stop eating? Given your analogy to the average family getting a loan, you can see the fail. People who don’t eat won’t be working. No real fiscal conservative would even suggest such absurd things. You’re spouting tea party nonsense and your own party, including far right economists, knows what a fail this Randian bs is.
Anyway, the TP will be gone soon after the GOP finishes redistricting so that these jihadists are no longer in their districts, so we’ll just hope the country hangs on long enough. You’re not convincing anyone of anything except your ability to copy and paste talking points for your corporate masters, but I won’t stop you. It’s amusing.
soxfan4life
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
So you are completely unwilling to admit America has a spending problem? Even President Obama himself said in December of 2010 that raising taxes would damage the economy, are you going to tell me we are better off now than we were in December? Again, the money people want not only an increase in the debt ceiling but signs that we are going to cut spending.
majii
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
“If you were in debt over your head, would you expect the bank to loan you more money without you showing them some type of behavior modification?”
Great point!
O/T: Now, maybe you can explain to me why the republicans in Congress are trying to destroy the new Dodd/Frank Financial Reform Law designed to force Big Business to modify its behavior in a way that doesn’t lead to another Wall St. bailout?
BTW: Voting to increase the debt limit has NOTHING to do with current spending by either the WH or Congress. Increasing the debt limit is needed to pay for the spending that Congress has ALREADY approved/authorized.
Shiva (Moderator)
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Hold it, Im the facts police and you have used one too many facts in a conversation. You could be responsible for a red sox fan melt down
majii
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
I’m fed up with the lying, Shiva, and I think progressives/democrats have been too reticent in dealing with these rw politicians and their supporting choir of liars. We have given them an opportunity to grow up, and they have refused it. RW lies are destroying this country, and it needs to stop. We have become the laughingstock of the world because of the antics of rw politicians and their supporters. My plan is to force as many of them as I can to climb back under the rocks where they resided until January 20,2009 arrived. IMO, these people’s crackpot ideas have no right to be viewed as legitimate solutions to the complex issues this nation is facing.
Dorothy Rissman
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Scorpie, My husband and I also count on SS and Medicare. Any idiot who says someone like the jerk below is here only to play with us.
soxfan4life
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Again just for your benefit, we take in enough money to cover Social Security, VA benefits, military pay, veterans retirement as well as service the debt, if it doesn’t happen it is because the President decided to use you as a pawn, no other reason. If that makes me a jerk, so be it, but there is no one so blind as those who just won’t see.
Shiva (Moderator)
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
The president is using no one for a pawn, he just isnt going to let the GOP and the teabags cut out SS medicare and medicaid, aid to children, aid to vets and aid to seniors.
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Yay, Shiva!
Sarah Jones
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
BLACK KNIGHT TO WHITE PAWN: CHECKMATE. You lose. (Special reading for you: YOU are the pawn and everyone here knows it).
Cathy
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
OK, sox, we had a fairly reasonable discussion this morning, but your recent comments have no basis in fact. Why are you still here anyway? Maybe seeing truth in these articles and comments? If you are here to play, you are amusing. If you are here to discuss, bring your own thoughts–not GOP talking points. Are you sure we bring in enough money to cover all our debts?
Cathy
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
You must really be enjoying your Sunday with the liberals=pay attention you might learn something.
majii
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Thanks for providing a very apt description of yourself!!
There are too many Americans, many of them in Congress, who don’t know anything about micro or macroeconomics but think they have all of the answers, and feel that their “opinions” and “perceptions” carry more weight than those who have studied economics and earned advanced degrees in the field.
nk007
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 3:59 am
So soxfan,
Where were you when the Republican Congress was spending money like drunken sailors, off the books, on the Iraq war war and Reconstruction and on the hideous pay out to drug companies in medicare part D while at the same time giving all these tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires? How come under Bill Clinton’s taxes rates, that President Obama wants to go back to, millions of Jobs were created and by the time he left office the budget was not only balanced but was in a surplus? How come George W. Bush’s massive tax cuts did not create as many jobs or give us a balanced budget? Why should poor people and the middle class pay for the debt that your boys and girls created when the rich are making all kinds of insane profits? Why aren’t all the obscene profits being made by the oil companies being invested in creating jobs since your central claim is that the rich create jobs?
You want to talk about blindness. You people think that all this debt was created by President Obama just because he enacted a stimulus bill to try to save the country from going into a deep depression– a depression I might add cause by your right wing Republican buddies? You may fool some of your idiot teabaggers who simply hate a black president. But many of us here are not suffering from Amnesia.
To repeat, A Democratic President, Bill Clinton balanced the budget and left the country with a surplus. In comes a Republican President, George W. Bush, who decided to give massive amounts of tax cuts to the wealthy, start two wars, and enact a costly medicare prescription drug plan that was not paid for. His vice President, Dick Cheney, told us that deficit do not matter because Reagan, who also run massive deficits, had proven that. Now all of a sudden you guys are out there talking all this nonsense about credit cards just because your #1 goal is to defeat President Obama.
Some of us are not fooled by your newly found religion of concern for the debt that you never showed when George Bush and the Republican Congress took a surplus they inherited from Bill Clinton and turned it into a massive deficit. President Obama has been trying to clean up that mess he inherited from Bush, while at the same time also trying to save the country from going into a depression. In the meantime, your so called job creating rich people are sitting on mountains of cash and doing absolutely nothing to create jobs; simply because they hate a President whose only mistake is that he is a black person.
By the way, Blind people may not see but they are not idiots. The worst idiots are those who repeat things they’ve heard from their leaders without demonstrating that they actually know what they are talking about.
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Bravo once again, nk007! Well done! Keep it up. We (the dems) need people like you to light the fire. Many thanks!
Scorpie
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Thank you Dorothy. My hubby is also 100% VA disabled and while we are doing relatively well, if the money does not come in we are in deep trouble.
Sarah Jones
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Too many Americans are in your shoes. It’s outrageous. Thank your husband for his service (and you for yours – the spouses of our troops gives just as much).
nk007
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 4:13 am
I totally agree with you Dorothy. I am also on medicare so I know exactly what you are talking about. The “jerk” was no where to be seen when George W. Bush, and the Republican Congress took the country from a budget surplus to a budget deficit. There were no teabaggers protesting the tax giveaways to millionaires and billionaires; starting two wars that were paid off the books; and that hideous medicare part D, that really was a giveaway to drug industries, while creating a donut hole for seniors.
I am sorry, but these people cannot be taken seriously. This concern for deficits is a gimmick. Their #1 goal is making it difficult for PRESIDENT Obama to govern so that he does not get re-elected. They really could care less about the working people, seniors and the poor. I didn’t hear them yelling at Dick Cheney when he publicly said that budget deficits do not matter. By the way, nice to see you here, Dorothy. You are voice of reason on many pragmatic sites.
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Soxfan, you are such an asshole! These people paid into social security for decades! They prepared for their retirement through payroll deductions (social security) throughout those decades as well as through personal investments. If you want to cut off anybody, cut off yourself. By your ignorance I can only guess that you must be young and have a lifetime ahead of you to prepare for your own retirement. Although………if you have so much time to blog on this site you must not be working? How do you think you’ll survive when you are elderly. Don’t yank the rug out from under those who have paid in for so long and have no opportunity/time to change direction.
soxfan4life
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Did I once say your benefits should not be paid? Not once, I said if they don’t it’s because the Treasury is playing politics with your money. Nice of you all to put words into my mouth,and I do work 6 days a week thank you and yes I am planning my retirement to get by without Social Security as I believe that Congress as a whole have raided it to the point of insolvency, so rather than direct your anger at me, you ought to direct it at the people in DC who filled the lock box with worthless IOU’s. But by all means please carry on with the name calling as it adds so much to the argument.
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
You have no need to apologize, Scorpie. You share a real concern with millions of other Americans. You are speaking for them!
jgordon
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
It is clear to me that they want to bring in a clever , silent default like they are doing in Greece .They are a bit afraid of market reaction but i believe what they allowed for Greece last week is an experiment to see reaction to their action . They know we have to get rid of some debt and they are going to inflate the dollar , that way, bills can be affordable. I think the ECB last week opened the door to something which will prove dangerous for current system in a while.
Danai
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Soxfan is a tr0ll, and the first and only mantra is “Never feed the tr0lls.”
That said. I have read everything written, and you all gave him a wonderful liberal/dem experience today!
Cathy
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
Thanks, it was fun1
Kris
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Well, here we all are fighting about how much money we are “allowed” to spend to PAY-OFF THE REPUBLICAN`S DEBTS. TELL THEM TO PAY-OFF THEIR OWN EFFIN DEBTS!!
Sarah Jones
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
YES. For once, that would be nice. Instead, like the children they are, they blame the President when it is THEIR JOB to do this. IN that little constitution they said they were going to read but only read parts of on their opening day.
majii
Jul. 24th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
I’ve been keeping my eye on republican politicians for almost 40 years now, Kris. They specialize in making bad decisions that cause some type of destruction to the country and/or its citizens, and they always blame it on someone else–a democratic president, democrats in Congress, liberals, Hispanics, Muslims, the “liberal” media, atheists, the poor, gay persons, labor unions, etc–any person/group can become the scapegoat they use to avoid accepting responsibility for their mistakes.
nk007
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 4:31 am
Exactly! I wish Democrats would tell them that! OK Republicans: You loved starting two wars, plus passing the unpaid for medicare prescription drug coverage that benefited you buddie in the drug companies; plus the massive tax cuts for the wealthy. All that combined equalled more than three trillions. The wealthy benefited from all those so please come up with three trillion to pay for them.
From our side we will find 800 billion dollars added on by the President to prevent the economy from going into another great depression. But even that money should mostly be shouldered by the rich as they have benefited, more than has the middle class. For example: unemployed workers got money to be able to buy food , pay mortgages car loans, etc. All that money ended in the pockets of the business owners. You know the ones that supposedly create jobs. Businesses that would have gone under if there were no consumers. So I say at least come up with half of the 800 billions. I am sure the Democrats could then find ways of cutting 400 billions from the budget. YES JOHN BOEHNER, MITCH MCCONNELL, ERIC CANTOR and JON KYLE: PAY OFF ALL THE DEBT YOU AND YOU BUDDY GEORGE BUSH INCURRED!
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
“Like”
West Coast Literate
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Do you sometimes wish we could break the country into two financial lots? We could put all the republicans together, offer them no social benefits, then see how they fair in a few years, when misfortune or age catches up with them!
soxfan4life
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
But who would fund all of these social benefits? The same folks who you don’t want to give them to? Or those collecting said benefits? And would one group get to benefit from the technological advances and other benefits of the other group? How far would you want to take this little fantasy?
nk007
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 4:54 am
Hey, Jason,
I just wanted to thank you for your excellent post. These teabag-Republicans need to be continuously exposed. They seem bent on destroying the country, may be to punish it because the majority of the people voted to elect a Black person president.
I am absolutely convinced that if President Obama went on television tomorrow and announced that he will not run for re-election, these teabag-Republicans would automatically raise the debt ceiling. Of course pretty soon the media, and all of us would soon forget what this crisis was all about. Just as we have quickly forgotten that President Obama assumed the Presidency when the country was on the verge of total economic melt down.
I think it was Gore Vidal who wrote an essay about the “United States of Amnesia.” To see these Republicans like Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, and Eric Cantor, all of a sudden pontificating about debts and deficits, when they were complicit in Bush’s policies that took the country from a budget surplus to massive budget deficits is really mind boggling. But of course they are able to do that because the count on the majority of us having amnesia.
Barbra
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 11:58 am
I hate to hear this lie go on. The Dem’s in the house have a plan that the GOP house would not listen to. Just like the GOP plan it is very very partisan in nature. THE PEOPLES BUDGET BY THE CONGRESSIONAL PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS.
soxfan4life
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Sort of like the Democrats and Progressives refused to listen to the GOP when they were the minority? Like that?
CLEO17
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Why DOESN’T ANYONE call these guys out IN PUBLIC? Why aren’t our DEM leaders not yelling at the top of their lungs and calling out these RW BS traitors (GOP) ready to let this country fall on its face? Why? I have never in my life seen a party fight so hard to protect CORPORATIONS’ MONEY -KOCH BROS.-MURDOCH (ALL OUT TO OWN AMERICA) like the GOP and FOX! They would actually let us default –if it means getting Obama out of the WH lets default! How incredibly stupid and greedy and hateful is that??? So we’re ready to ruin this country over a black President? YES! The GOP mantra. Taxing the rich is a job killer! The GOP has been saying that since November 2010–actually since 2001!!! Obama even extended the BUSH tax cuts for the filthy rich again!!! So if what the GOP is saying it true… taxing the job creators will kill jobs then where the hell are the JOBS??? YOU’VE HAD THE HOUSE SINCE Nov. 2010! Your wealthy corporate friends have continued to receive those tax breaks SINCE 2001 and before!!!! SO WHERE ARE THE JOBS?? Your corporate wealthy friends are still receiving MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BONUSES A YEAR!!! We aren’t! So where are the JOBS FOR US???? This is where I get so fricken mad its not funny ANYMORE… why the hell are the RW constituents NOT YELLING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS AT THEIR LEADERS????? THEY TOOK YOUR JOBS OVERSEAS! AND WHEN OBAMA TRIED TO TAX THEM FOR THAT? YOU CRIED NOOOO!!! While your party leaders say to YOU IN YOUR FACE every day YOU ARE NOTHING NOR ARE YOU WORTHY OF OUR BLOOD SWEAT & TEARS TO FIGHT FOR A BETTER LIFE FOR YOU…we will NOT fight for SS, MEDICARE/MEDICAIDE, DEMOCRACY, or a JOB FOR YOU ..BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR MULTIBILLION DOLLAR CORPS WHO ARE THE JOB CREATORS SO YOU CAN HAVE A JOB!!! But WHERE IS THAT JOB????? To you people on the right who insist on believing the RW LYING MACHINE by voting PARTY & SHEER STUPID PEOPLE as your leaders for this country … I just have to ask WTF? WTH part of this do you not see or hear that your GOP IS DOING TO YOU??? Tell me please..what part of all this DO YOU FIND SO DAM WONDERFUL you have to VOTE FOR THEM??? TELL ME ..WHATS IN IT FOR YOU???? NOTHING! Do you not see what the GOP has done to the citizens of Michigan, Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio?? That is their plan for YOU! ITs their plan for all the states in this country should they ever win the WH. They will be our own home grown GHADAFI! This country will be ruled by CORPORATIONS AND PRIVATE INDUSTRY..they will own YOU. YOU WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROTECTIONS!!!! They abuse you at work? Oh well. They own you. They won’t pay you fair wages and now want you to work OT without pay? (Bachmann NO CHILD LABOR LAWS, NO MIN WAGE, NO OT) Oh well. You will be a modern day slave to these corporations and your BACHMANNS, PERRY, PALIN, SANTORUM..ALL OF THEM. THIS IS THEIR PLAN FOR YOU. THE GOP has made it VERY CLEAR EVERY DAY WHO THEY CARE ABOUT AND ITS NOT AMERICA OR YOU THE PEOPLE. It’s time to use the power of the pen President Obama and stop listening or trying to accommodate these TRAITORS trying to destroy this country. THEY DO NOT LIKE YOU! THEY HATE YOU! THEY DO NOT WANT TO HELP YOU HELP THIS COUNTRY!!!!!! I really wish you would just shut these idiots up ONCE AND FOR ALL AND SHOW THE PEOPLE YOU ARE FOR US and THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. USE THE POWER OF THE PEN MR PRESIDENT!!!
soxfan4life
Jul. 25th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
“Do you not see what the GOP has done to the citizens of Michigan, Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio?? That is their plan for YOU! ITs their plan for all the states in this country should they ever win the WH.”
Wouldn’t the first six years of the Bush Administration have been the perfect time to achieve this goal? BTW how is Andrew Cuomo working out for the lefties in New York?
Vera
Jul. 26th, 2011 at 1:52 am
Please tell this republican grandmother where the jobs are that should have been trickling down from the 10 years of Bush/Chaney tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans? The American people are not stupid they are able to see through your TEA PARTY talking points.