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Michael Moore Marches Into Wisconsin and Burns Down The Big Budget Lie
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People were crowded around Fire Station No. 1 in Madison, Wisconsin around 1:30 central time this afternoon, eagerly awaiting the arrival of filmmaker Michael Moore who flew to Madison, Wisconsin to support the Worker’s Rights Rally. Yup, Mike’s in the House.
The uplifting theme of today’s Worker’s Rights Rally in Wisconsin was, “We Are Wisconsin and We Are Winning.” An enthusiastic crowd, undaunted by a week of Governor Walker’s and the Republicans’ attempts to shut them down and shut them out, chanted, sang and marched around the rotunda of the Capitol. And then came the word that a very special guest would be surprising them.
Honorary Wisconsinite for the day, Michael Moore Part 1:
Michael Moore began by reading his statement called America is not broke, “America is not broke. Contrary to what those in power would like you to believe so that you’ll give up your pension, cut your wages and settle for the life your great grandparents had. America is not broke. Not by a long shot. The country is awash in wealth and cash. It’s just that it is not in your hands.”
He then called the great conservative redistribution of America’s wealth a heist, “It has been transferred in the greatest heist in American history from the workers and consumers to the banks and portfolios of the uber-rich. Right now this afternoon just 400 Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans combined. Let me say that again, and please someone in the mainstream media, just repeat this fact once. We’re not greedy. We’ll be happy to hear it just once. 400 obscenely wealthy individuals, 400 little Mubaraks, most of whom benefited in some way from the multi-trillion dollar taxpayer bailout of 2008 now have more cash, stock, and property than the assets of 155 million Americans combined.”
Here is part 2:
Moore said, “I have nothing more than a high school education, but Gov. Walker back when I was in school every student had to take one semester of economics in order to graduate, and here is what I learned. Money doesn’t grow on trees, unless it’s a palm tree. It grows when we make things. It grows when we have good jobs with good wages that we use to buy the things that we need, and guess what? That creates more jobs.”
He continued, “It grows when we provide an outstanding education system. An educational system that then grows a new generation of entrepreneur, inventors, scientists, thinkers. The people who will come up with the next great idea for this planet, and those ideas create jobs, and the jobs produce tax revenue, but the few who have the most money don’t want to pay their fair share of the taxes.”
Moore spoke about how the rich tax dodgers crashed our economic system, “They’d rather invest it in a gambling casino known as Wall St. betting for or against the stock market or against your home mortgage, and the entire population suffers because that wealth has been removed from circulation. What’s so cynical about this is that the very people who don’t pay their taxes crashed our economic system. They created the unemployment which has cost us tax revenue and states like Wisconsin have ended up with a so called budget crisis, but Wisconsin is not broke.”
Michael Moore called the Wisconsin budget crisis one of the three biggest lies of the last decade, ” What are three biggest lies of the last decade? Let’s repeat them. Number one Wisconsin is broke. Number two there’s weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and number three the Packers needs Farve to win the Super Bowl. The nation is not broke, my friends. There’s lots of money to go around, lots, lots. It’s just that those in charge have diverted that wealth into a deep well that sits in their well-guarded estates. They know. They know. They have committed crimes to make this happen.”
Moore did something brilliant. He shifted the narrative. Republicans want the Wisconsin story to be about the budget. Early on Democrats were focused on the issues of liberty and collective bargaining. Moore broadened the message and created a third narrative about how decades of pro-corporate and pro-wealthy economic policies have redistributed the nation’s wealth from the people to a small group of super-rich haves. This is the story that terrifies both conservative politicians and the network of billionaire wealth that owns them.
Wisconsin isn’t only about freedom unions and collective bargaining. At a deeper level, Wisconsin is about the systemic redistribution of wealth that the Republican Party has overseen since 1980. It is about creating an economic caste system where the rich always stay rich and rest of us are destined to serve them. Conservatives have expertly hid their true motives for years with distractions like the culture wars, and sometimes shooting wars like in Iraq. While America was focusing on the terror alert level, George W. Bush was picking up the mantle of Ronald Reagan and redistributing wealth.
If Republicans and their puppet masters are successful in breaking the back of organized labor then millions of Americans will be returned to a form of economic serfdom that was once thought to have been banished decades ago.
Wisconsin is the battle field and unions are our last line of defense, and nothing less than economic liberty, and the American Dream hinge on the outcome.
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NoMooseStew
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
I love Micheal Moore. I really do. He may not be what some call attractive on the outside but his heart is what gets me.
AFM
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Well look at quitter Palin who a pretty on the outside but downright ugly on the inside. I’ll take Michael Moore any day. He speaks for the working people in this country especially the working poor with only a high school education. I thank him for that. He really understands them.
Dusty
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Exactly!
Why does a person’s looks have to even be considered?
LES
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Moore has never spoken for the working people. He makes documentaries that net him millions of dollars by exagerating and twisting the facts in order to lure more people into the theaters. Roger and me, Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 911, Capitalism: A Love Story, etc, etc, are good examples. He needs more money so he is in Wisconsin getting publicity so I am sure a new “documentary” is coming out soon.
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 9:53 am
I guess you never seen Roger and Me.
jlt
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Les, you are full of it..Moore is the PEOPLE… Check his proportionate contributions to causes ..It damn sure is not to corporations! The issues he spotlights are about PEOPLE BEING SCREWED BY THE CORPORATE REPUBLICAN STRUCTURE… Roger and me…you have not seen it –obviously!
This is another point on the union busting lie!
www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/...
vallie
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Come on!!!
intermedia
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Apparently, you don’t need no stinkin’ facts. A common tactic on both sides, all you offer is an ad hominem frame for your polar adversary. Heads/Tails, same worthless metal.
Don Tatum
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 7:52 am
You’re right, he is ugly. He said that we need others to come up with innovative ideas and become rich and create jobs right? Then what, liberals will turn around and try to stick higher taxes on him and the unions will tell him how he needs to run his own business? Michael always complains about the rich or George Bush. I don’t agree with everything what Bush said or did but he acted on the information that he was given and lets face it, he really could not trust what saddam said! Liberals complain and say Bush caused 911 and he was in office for 9 months when it happened. Man that was quick! Anyway if all Wisconsin folks want to pay $70 dollars for each person to resolve the revenue deficits then get some buckets out on the lawn and take up the money, then get back to work. Problem solved! Instead they will spend weeks or months standing around and do nothing but run there mouth. Put things in perspective, Do you pay 40% of your income on taxes like the rich? Most off you get money back on your tax return right? And your complaining about the rich not paying there fair share? Lets do a flat tax so that everyone pays the same. Eliminate all loop holes for the poor and the rich. Eliminate all bonus checks for those who make over 100,000 dollars a year and distribute it to the working class! Same job Same Pay, Public or Private. No more Unions needed. Pay based on Merit not because of tenure.
George
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Agreed! Let’s have a flat tax, eliminating all loop holes. Funny, you never ever hear them calling for something like that on Fox News. I wonder why… oh yeah, cause it would be fair to everybody. ;)
Cassandra Vert
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
A flat tax was a Republican idea–it is regressive, i.e. 10% of a poor person’s income is taking food money, but 10% of a wealthy person’s income is only a second home. I suspect you don’t hear much about the flat tax anymore because Republican’s have decided they don’t have to concede that much–just as they turned on their own health care plan.
Max
Mar. 7th, 2011 at 2:46 am
Uh, only if you’re redefining “regressive” to mean “not progressive.” A flat tax is by definition a proportional tax, neither progressive nor regressive.
Kevyster
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
actually Foxnews mentions that a lot. particulary on the Huckabee show. MM hates the idea becuase he avoid taxes now.
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
“MM hates the idea becuase he avoid taxes now.”
Evidence?
HenryFaley
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Getting money back on your return has nothing to do with it. It just means you overpaid during the year. The total tax obligation is the same. If you are getting much back, it just means you haven’t planned properly.
Karen Brubaker
Mar. 14th, 2011 at 10:47 am
No it does not necessarily mean that you overpaid because what most hard working Americans do not even realize is that people who work a 5 months and earn a minimal amount of money and pay vertuallly no taxes are getting 3-8,000 dollars back. It is called earned income credit. It has a lot to do with how many children you have. Most people now know how to work the system by working just enough to get the big check and then quiting their job. I think you should have to work for everything. I am a middle class working person and I am tired of the people at the top and the people at the bottom. I think no one should get anything without working for it unless you can prove that you cant work due to a serious disability. Too many are now getting SSI disability for conditions that if truth be known are not disabling. They still mow their grass, go to the movies, shop etc… Find something for them to do. I am tired of handouts that are just creating a false sense of what we call so called “poor”. Poor to me is someone who has no options. We have too many who have an option but choose to be slugs or parasites feeding off those of us who work. I am sick of the ones at the top who when push comes to shove on taxes they scramble to campaign against the working class middle class government worker. They “Fox News” Hannity Limbaugh, don’t care who pays as long as it isn’t them so the pit the middle class against each other with false talk about the government workers having too much. Govt workers don’t have too much and we should want the private sector to be able to do at least as well as a far from cush life as the government worker. This is a Class War and I am for the middle class full time worker. We are the producers. We didn’t have it in our cards to go to Harvard or Yale or Hollywood. When are we going to wake up and boycott some these flamboyant lifestyles???
Neosopheus
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Don, it was under Bush that the gap between the rich and poor grew to its highest level ever. The first time there was an unsustainable gap between the rich and poor was 1929, right before the stock market crashed and the Great Depression began. As far as WMD in Iraq, I guess you don’t remember a guy named Hans Blix, the UN weapons inspector you said that after 700 inspections, they found absolutely no evidence for WMD. Bush was taking us to war no matter what and WMD’s were just a smokescreen to get us to go along with it. Now this war has cost countless Iraqi lives, thousands of dead U.S. soldiers, and about a trillion dollars. Way to go Bush!
Duglarri
Mar. 7th, 2011 at 6:07 am
40% in income like the rich? If that was still true none of this would be happening. Try 5% or less, particularly if you use tax-avoidance schemes. Ever heard of Warren Buffet? He said recently he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary. 40%!! The country would be swimming in tax revenues at that rate.
John
Mar. 7th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Michael Moore is a complete buffoon. Even the idiot in the White House has two years ago stated that the country is broke. Why doesn’t Michael pick on the wealthiest scum behind all the liberals- George Soros, the real man behind the “puppet on the string” in the white house. Come on Michael, be honest here!! Oh, by the way, I didn’t even think you knew what a “moral compass” was. Why don’t you get one and begin to use it.
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 7th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Sadly you missed the entire point. Moore spoke about the division between rich and the middle and lower class. He didnt pick on just the koch brothers
Do you approve of the fact that 400 people have the wealth of 155 million people in this country?
Reynardine
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Actually, we would find ourselves in worse shape than in 1880, because there’s no frontier, no farmland to homestead, burdensome regulations for only the “little people”, and noplace to go.
Itsall Tuna
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
The $137 million budget shortfall would cost each Wisconsin household $68.50 to settle. Michael Moore said it right, “America is not broke.” But it’s politician are broken. It is far better to lose ones job than ones bargaining rights that protect the ability to get and hold a job.
Liz
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Well said, NoMooseStew! & all props to Mike Moore. Trust him to go to Wisconsin and say what needs to be said in the context! Wonder what Fauxed-Up News makes of his speech? Will they ignore it – like the western media are trying to do with the ongoing Egyptian revolution – Nasr City, Amndawla?
majii
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Posted on my FB wall with a special comment from Michael Moore.
Now, where is that mouthy broad, Palin, who was disparaging Michael Moore on O’Reilly’s Show recently?
Eykis
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 8:52 am
I saw the nasty Snowbilly Grifter on Pirro’s FauxNoise last night. The stoopid never stops with her – she actually said something as ignorant as “We should have told Libya that if they touch one hair on an American’s head, we will hit them hard”. ISTG. Snowbilly Grifter cannot EVER say anything decent about POTUS – just a small schoolyard bully filling the airwaves with ignorance, lies, hate, racism, stoopidity and ZERO sense, clamining Obama makes us look weak, again….
Make the witch go away.
Michael
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Outstanding speech by M. Moore! I was there, and he STUCK IT TO THE MAN!!!!
Sarah Jones
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
You do realize that at least half of what you wrote is inaccurate and the other is just plain offensive, right? If anyone is smearing Jewish people, by the way, it’s Fox News’ Glenn Beck. But what can you expect from an organization whose largest shareholder aside from its owner is a Saudi Prince?
And MM movie wasn’t banned by Castro. Sicko was one of the few US movies that was actually shown widely in Cuba, and was even shown on Cuban national TV.
Ah, that comment was removed I see…So let this serve as notice that Sicko was not banned in Cuba. Please leave that talking point at home for your cat. No one is buying it here.
Bringbackmanufacturing
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
I love Michael Moore. He speaks for the hard working class!
Hitler
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
He sure does. But, he speaks more for his wallet and banking from…CAPITALISM!
He spews hate about Capitalism…yet, he benefits GREATLY from Capitalism. I think this man is just a bag of wind. He is a fraud, a piece of shit, and a detriment to America.
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
He talks about corrupt capitalism, not capitalism. go back and get the correct talking points email
Kevyster
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
is that why he auddenly supported the bailouts he denounced in his last turd flick. Bush- Bailouts are bad. Obama – Bailouts are good. Btw, The bailouts he praised was given to the company he demonized in Roger and Me. What a lying hypocrite he is. Btw, Let him be the first to hand out “the Natural resource” back to the people. After all, it’s NOT his money. It belongs to us. Btw, DSicko was bannedin Cuba- which why he whined abot getting the 20K bail money back after wikileads- he once praised and then suddenly cursed-expose that Cuab banned Sicko to prevent a working class uprising. I thought MM was for the working people- why is he silent over this? Btw, all you claiming it wasn’t banned, have you actually tried to see if you could buy a copy of it if you were pyshically in Cuba?
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Once again you show your incredible lack of reading comprehension
Again, MM assets are not the point here.
Also, he did discredit GM for its actions. But being as he is for the people he was glad that over 200,000 jobs were saved. YEARS later
Now, go back and address the point of the article or you are leaving
badger tinner
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
I was 30 feet from Micheal Moore during his speech and it was truely inspiring. You have to be there in Wisconsin to feel the energy. What inadequate media coverage there is does not do justice. History is being made as we fight the powerful forces of the corporate take over of America. Wake up.
jlt
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Thanks to all who are there on the ground in Wisconsin! This is National as it should be…and you are leading the way!
This is a factual account of the UNION BUSTING BUDGET LIE!
www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/...
Vernon Owens
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
Jesus said “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get into heaven” It’s time to return to our Christian morals. Return to the pre-Reagan/Bush tax policy when we had a solid infrastructure, relatively no national debt and a large middle class. Stop the current worship of mammon.
David Aquarius
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
We should be looking at human morals, not just Christian ones. There are certain truths that transcend religion, especially Christianity. Look who claim to be Christian: Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Mike Huckabee, and who can forget Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, and Fr. Coughlin? Lots of morals there, no?
Moore’s speech told no lies, it put the spotlight on what we liberals have been saying for years. We’ve allowed the richest get richer by theft, not hard, honest work. When their thievery got the best of them, they extorted a bailout from us. And we caved.
Ignorance is not a family value, hatred was not one of Jesus’ teachings. Republicans and the mainstream media are feeding us both with a shovel.
Anne
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Moore’s truthful, down-to-earth explanation of what’s really going on is a refreshing antidote to the daily hate and lies from the Party of No. He is definitely someone it’s good to have on our side, and his message needs to be repeated on a daily basis. I have felt for some time that this country is at a crossroad, where we have to choose between ignorant serfdom and preserving the rights so many have fought and died for. He makes it abundantly clear about the agenda the corporate class has in store for the rest of us.
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Ah yes that redistribution of wealth will get you every time. No wonder the wannabe cons cry whenever you mention wealth. Personal responsibility! Yes, that means take it from the rich I would assume.
Barb
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
You work on Wall Street?
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
I sure hope not
ROCnPhilly
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Millionaire Moore offer up any of his cash?
No?
No, because its not his place to pitch in any of his $$$. That’s not what rich liberals do. Its his place to get some free camera time and speak as passionately as he can to obfuscate the nature of the situation (shift the narrative) in an attempt to ensure those public sector union members get every single penny of taxpayer dollars they can tantrum for.
Why, he’s a hero! I do so hope the Nobel committee is watching…
/s
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
And why should he? What is your point? Have a take and dont suck. Yawn.
ROCnPhilly
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Just making an observation. Moore has spent the last three days deriding the greedy rich. Just thought he might want to distance himself from that group by showing he’s less greedy with his millions. You know, buy everybody pizza and beer or something. I guess he’s content to let his wardrobe make the point.
BTW: Is there anyone doing some investigative reporting to see if his travel and hotel expenses were being picked up by the union? I believe its called “fact-checking”? I heard about it here just yesterday and evidently it was very important on the Gingrich story. :)
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Yawn
Barb
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
C’mon, you know he used his own money. You may not always agree with him, but he’s truthful. Just wait til you have a $4 job with no benefits of vacation, overtime, sick time…..
Reynardine
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Oh, Hayall, Barb, that’s just the kind of job ROC’s got now, writing these things, because he’s not qualified for anything else. See, saw, Marjorie Daw…
greatestfool87
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 5:55 am
I don’t think you understand the concept of wealth that is the subject here. Michael Moore probably has a couple million dollars in the bank. Those 400 people he mentioned? Atleast a few billion each. Now, do you know the difference between a million and a billion? A million can buy you all the seats at a baseball game(Charlie Sheen), a billion can buy the damn stadium and the sports team.
ROCnPhilly
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
FYI: “Rich” is $250,000 as per POTUS.
Oldsun
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
SuxcocksnPhilly why don’t you go back to HotAir you dumbass troll you offer no facts and have no evidence to your claims and as per the rich if to you 250000 is not rich then how can teachers making 50000 be rich? teacher salary in Wisconsin is $41584 According the Wisconsin Education Board
Satin
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
So you think public sector union workers aren’t “taxpayers”? Nice try at dividing this “one nation, indivisible”. Seems it’s not working, though. Maybe Americans aren’t as stupid as your type thinks.
Reynardine
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
He needs to make another film.
Ingarose
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
I have always respected Michael Moore. It is great that he went to Wisconsin and stood with the workers. Yet, this is off subject, I just saw that woman judge on Fox interview Sarah Palin. I simply could not believe it. Here is a judge (one would think that she is somewhat intelligent) asking Sarah the most stupid questions and waiting with anticipation for ‘the oracle of Delphi’ to respond.
Someone please analise that whole conversation. And why is Palin back in the forefront? Everyone on Fox is asking her expert opinion, and apparently India will want to hear her wisdom, also.
Barb
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Oh, would love to see that, cause we all know she knows all….
puke!
The world would be a better place if people realized Fox’s agenda.
American
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 8:22 am
Fox’s agenda…how easy it is to have a strawman to attack! Fatso goes to Madison in his own jet plane, bloated in fancy food he bought with YOUR money you pay for his ridiculous movies, and he talks about accumulation of wealth by the few and the responsibility of EVERYONE ELSE toward ‘the poor,’ except his own. If he weren’t such a hypocrite, he’d be as ricdiculously funny as HE IS.
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 8:48 am
No, despite your silly whining rant, Moore talked about the divide between the very rich and the rest of the US. Messages are sometimes hard for people to understand, especially when they are not allowed to. Yet you defend the rich who got rich on YOUR money.
Sarah Jones
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 11:33 am
“fatso”? Wow. That’s so deep.
John Rohan
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
“It’s not true that Gov. Scott Walker’s tax cuts are the cause of Wisconsin’s current budget deficit — a false claim widely spread by MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow and repeated in numerous e-mails”
factcheck.org/2011/03/wal...
Barb
Mar. 5th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Maybe not the current shortfall but do we have to risk our kids’ educations? Remember, you need to have a decent wage to get the best and the brightest….or so they tell me on Wall Street
colbey
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 6:01 am
that’s true, john. the current budget shortfall–the $137 million one for the 2008-2010 budget–is not because of walker’s tax cuts.
however, a LARGE portion of the projected $320 BILLION budget deficit for the 2011-2013 budget IS. (sorry, i forget the exact number, but pretty darn sure it’s over $300 billion.)
so, for 2 years, during the worst economic downturn in decades, wisconsin racked up a ~$140 MILLION deficit.
walker takes office during a slight up-tick in the economy that may or may not last, and suddenly we’re facing a budget deficit nearly TEN TIMES as large.
yes, part of that is because of the federal cut in aid to states. given that, does it seem wise, in ANY way, to push thru tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy (capital gains) that total roughly HALF of the projected deficit???
oh, i know. we have to cut taxes for the wealthy/corporations becuase that is what creates jobs. of course. except…that has never been the case. taxes were cut for the wealthy way back in 2003. yet…here we are with no jobs. huh. seems they used those tax breaks to relocate an awful lot of jobs to other countries.
find me ONE verifiable instance where tax cuts for corporations or the rich resulted in job creation.
George
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 6:16 am
Since when is Moore a millionaire? Is this just another RepugniKKKan fabrication put out without any evidence or proof? Because he makes films he’s wealthy? “I’ve got some bad news for you, Sunshine”, one doesn’t necessarily follow the other.
Kevyster
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
He made $20 Million from his flop Bowl for Cluumbie- which was as “objective” as a movie about Hitler made by Joe Goebells. That alone makes him a Millionaire. As for KKK and Republicans? The Gun Control crap MM praises was first created by the democrat creatd KKK to keep Blacks from defending themselves. Republican oppose KKK and their gun control crap. Have you look at MM’s net assets. Btw, how many “working man” do you know that $20 Million not enough to live off? Let MM be the first to give away his portion of “the natural resource” since after it’s NOT his money, it belongs to us. MM’s next flick. “Those greddy Jew capitalist bastards rip me off”
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
He made 20 million for a flop movie? Sorry, you fail.
“Those greddy Jew capitalist bastards rip me off” you just cant stop acting childish can you?
MM assets are not part of the equation since you have totally misunderstood his entire speech.
Sarah Jones
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Sorry, but you don’t know the movie business. First of all, the gross profits have nothing to do with the net. Second of all, it depends on his distribution deal and his points deal what he got to take home from that haul. And third, you didn’t account for costs of making the movie.
With a budget of $4,000,000, Bowling for Columbine grossed $58,000,000 worldwide, including $21,576,018 in the United States, which is the amount you cited. I was kind enough to show you that you missed the global net. Now, you don’t know anything about his distribution deal so you can’t even guess about his take home from that. It was probably a percentage (points) deal. That said, why would it matter if he were a gazillionaire? I thought the Right thought everyone who was rich was a hard worker who earned it. Are there exceptions to this rule, then?
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
I think kevy would defend the president of Bank of America’s salary even knowing he had screwed hundreds of thousands of people on their mortgages
But he totally missed the point of the article here. And then he failed to make a point. He took the down elevator.
Sarah Jones
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Speaking of BofA, as a stockholder in that piece of crap company, I’d like to publicly tell them to get their crap together, but it is too late for that. I can’t wait until Wikileaks drops the mother ship on them about their off shore tax shelters. I hope they burn in hell, even though it means I will lose what little is left of my investments. That’s how ticked off I am about how these bangsters ripped everyone in this country off and now don’t even pay taxes and then their toadies tell hard working people to suck it.
Tina
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 6:45 am
Go get ‘em Micheal!
“The secret to freedom lies in educating people,whereas the secret to tryanny is in keeping them ignorant” Maximilien Roperspierre
American
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 8:35 am
And WHO is this “Roperspierre” you so articulately quote? Might be good to instruct yourself so you’re not part of the ‘ignorant ones.’ Hey, maybe a product of Public Education. Education is NOT indoctrination, the preferred method of instruction of the “liberal.” Communists in the Sateliteds of Russia were well trained in all the goobeldeegook of Marxism, yet, they were ignorant of real knowledge. And one of the branches of indoctrination in Marxism is to blame “capitalists,” i.e. those who CREATE jobs, for all the ills of society. You want more money? Well, WORK more for it. You want more power? EARN IT. You WANT anything? Make it happen by the SWEAT of YOUR brow. “Want” is NOT a ‘right.’ “I want, I want” is what 2-year olds say when in a tantrum; not what adults do when the need to satisfy a desire or a need. In other words, GROW UP and stop demanding someone else’s money!
George
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Damn American, you got all that out of Tina’s quote from old Maxi? That’s deep! Anyway, here’s who Maxi was courtesy of Wikipedia:
Maximilien François Marie Isidore de Robespierre; 6 May 1758 – 28 July 1794) is one of the best-known and most influential figures of the French Revolution. He largely dominated the Committee of Public Safety and was instrumental in the period of the Revolution commonly known as the Reign of Terror, which ended with his arrest and execution in 1794. Robespierre’s popularity and appeal to the community came out mostly in the way that he spoke. His speeches were exceptional, and he had the power to change the views of almost any audience. (This is one of the reasons why he became such a strong force in the Terror.) His speaking techniques included talk of virtue and morals, and also quite often he had a few rhetorical questions in his speeches in order to identify with the audience. He would also gesticulate and use ideas and personal experiences in life to keep the listeners’ attention.
Gaf
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
“You WANT anything? Make it happen by the SWEAT of YOUR brow.”
That would be nice if that was how it worked. In the building where I work, the janitors show up at 5:00 am, and they leave at about 9:30 pm, but (and I know this because I talk quite a bit to one of them) most of them live in a trailer park on the outskirts of town. They work more than anybody in the building, and yet they make less than anybody in the building. They don’t have the educational background to “make it happen” because their parents were poor and couldn’t afford to send them to college. They’re surviving because they work their fingers to the bone, but if their trailers burned down and their cars broke down on the same day, they wouldn’t be able to survive that. It’s a lie that hard work means more money. The president of our company works about thirty hours a week, and he makes a high six-figure salary, whereas the janitors work 70-80 (and they really sweat; he sits in a chair and talks on the phone most of the time) and they barely scrape by. It’s not a matter of asking for un-earned money; it’s a matter of asking for equitable treatment. If you bust your butt, you should be compensated for it, but most Americans who bust their butts are being paid barely enough (if it is enough) to support a couple of children, hoping a disaster doesn’t put them on the streets.
amshelby
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 7:04 am
By the way…..Moore donated over 60% of his net profits from his last 2 films to help the underprivileged in his home town of Flint, Michigan. These rightwing bastards need to get off his back!
Trickle-down economics doesn’t work….tried it, it failed. Reagan was the worst president ever. Bush Jr. is right behind. Their dream – a tiny upper class, and a huge lower class. No middle class. damn them them both !
Eykis
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:26 am
American,
This all boils down to one thing and one thing only – so the Rethuggery Obstructionist Party of Teabagging Fascists will have to accept it and join in:
RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH and THE CORPORATIONS, NOW.
STOP ILLEGAL WARS, NOW.
Budget solved, NOW.
Joe Worker
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 8:00 am
States and countries compete to attract business. If a state is losing business there are a number of reasons. High taxes- both business and personal- will dramatically limit the number of companies that will consider basing their operation in Wisconsin. The level of education of the work force is another major consideration (the issue in Wisconsin has nothing to do with the quality of education unless the teachers the union and the school administration decide to negotiate the lowering of standards) . Gov. Walker is correct in his approach. What he’s doing is taking steps to get control of areas of the budget that are currently out of control. If you need to look at a state that has been battling the same problems and losing, take a look at New York state. The state north of the city to the Canadian border is an economic wasteland. Being responsible is difficult that’s what Gov. Walker is doing.
1bohica
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 8:06 am
hmmmm, ‘redistribution of wealth’ why doesn’t he start with some of his to set an example
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 9:00 am
After Walt Disney Co. refused to allow its Miramax Films unit to distribute the controversial Michael Moore documentary “Fahrenheit 9/11,” Miramax co-Chairmen Harvey and Bob Weinstein paid $6 million from their own pockets to acquire the film from the company. Six weeks later, “Fahrenheit 9/11″ is a smash sensation, and the Weinsteins are widely assumed to be laughing all the way to the bank.
If so, the laughter may be muted. Despite their personal investment, the Weinstein brothers will not be the biggest financial beneficiaries of “Fahrenheit.” The real winner: a charity, or charities, as yet unnamed, that will receive about 60 percent of the net profit ultimately generated by the film — a tally that could be tens of millions of dollars. The Weinsteins, meanwhile, will pocket about 40 percent of the net, according to people familiar with the deal.
Do try not to let your lack of any type of knowledge get in your way while being silly
jlt
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 11:15 am
The trolls here are trying to cover the fact that MR. Moore has contributed more proportionally than anyone on the ‘Street’ or in Corporate industry to the under privileged and needy!
He does put his money on the PEOPLE..The rest put it in the Caymans and do not pay tax on it because the republican laws allow it!
Go Wisconsin and go Mr. Moore>
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LES
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Micheal Moore is nothing but a money grubbing idiot. Regardless of what he says the vast majority of intellegent Americans understand we are broke both nationally and at the state level. The GAO, and CBO both publish statistics to say so. And as far as the pro public union support goes I as a private union member and taxpayer don’t understand how union dues can be used to support political candidate who when they get into office give them special deals using yours and my taxpayer dollars. That is a conflict in interest at the taxpayer expense. “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.”That was George Meany — the former president of the A.F.L.-C.I.O — in 1955. Government unions are unremarkable today, but the labor movement once thought the idea absurd. Government workers, however, don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money. When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. F.D.R. considered this “unthinkable and intolerable.” Government collective bargaining means voters do not have the final say on public policy. Instead their elected representatives must negotiate spending and policy decisions with unions. That is not exactly democratic – a fact that unions once recognized. George Meany was not alone. Up through the 1950s, unions widely agreed that collective bargaining had no place in government. But starting with Wisconsin in 1959, states began to allow collective bargaining in government. The influx of dues and members quickly changed the union movement’s tune, and collective bargaining in government is now widespread. As a result unions can now insist on laws that serve their interests – at the expense of the common good.
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 9:54 am
The point of Moores speech went way over your head didnt it
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:28 am
“As a result unions can now insist on laws that serve their interests – at the expense of the common good.”
Much in the way that the Koch brothers can do it with many times more money and influence. Yet you support them
Charles
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Michael Moore for President in 2012!
doug
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:49 am
The average Milwaulkee teacher total compensation is $100,005. That’s $55k salary, the rest lavish retirement and health benefits.
Sarah Jones
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Inaccurate but also irrelevant. They already conceded all of the financial requests Walker had.
Why won’t Walker sit down to talk to them?
Isolino
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Michael Moore is a worthless scum bag.
LOL AT THE HATERS
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
You know what I love. How anybody who is anti moore or true freedom…ALways has to make a negative comment. Like u notice most people who support the same kind of things as moore and other enlightened souls, make positive enlightened comments. For the most part anyways. While all the haters can only say oh you crying liberal fatty fat. I notice any site where real people are discussing real issues those in la la land seem to just want to put everybody down. Wake up please one day all that negativity you harbor and possess is gonna bite you in the bum. Please dont hate on me cuz it only proves my point thanks.
Sarah Jones
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
So true. It’s amazing, but the point is to derail the conversation because if we keep having it without being interrupted, we will all realize we’ve been lied to. The corporations took this country for a ride and all of us who ever invested in wall st via 401k or stocks lost our money to the great heist. Now, these same clowns want us to take another hit while we pay more in taxes than corporations, let alone wealthy people. These folks trying to interrupt the dialogue only want to stop the conversation. They are corporate logos talking. Best ignored.
Oldsun
Mar. 23rd, 2011 at 5:43 am
hidding in the older post inhopes that no will see you just like a troll
Cassandra Vert
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Moore didn’t change the narrative so much as not allow the narrative to be hijacked by the right. It happens so rarely, we might forget what that looks like. He’s not the first to say so, but it bears repeating, and I love how baldly he states it.
There are two ways to get OUR money back from the criminals: one requires criminal convictions, confiscation of ill gotten gains, and redistribution through taxes. The other is revolution.
Terry Grinnalds
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
One thing we have learned the hard way from this is that, if the people ever get back on top,even for a short time, we need two new laws – one to make it clear that corporations are not the same as persons and have more limited rights, and a second antitrust law to limit ownership of newspapers, radio and television stations so that they cannot all be owned by only a very few. It is the takeover of the information media by a relatively few billionaires that has been the most poisonous element of the last decades. We need more diversity, and a protection for the maintenance of that diversity.
Eykis
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Terry,
You are absolutely, 100% correct. We The People, not We The Corporate Fascists own this country. Corporations are not people, politicians are elected to represent PEOPLE.
The voter apathy for the past several years is a huge reason this country has become the Third World nation that it has – the Corporate Fascists.
~M
Mar. 7th, 2011 at 4:19 am
Great points Terry, completely agree. And kudos for recognizing that people = corporations was the big tipping point for the way things are today. It’s obvious you know your history well.
John
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
I live in the same town as MM. He’s done a lot of good for us in Traverse City, MI, and he’s an interesting and motivational speaker, but one needs remember that Michael is all about Michael. He’s great at spinning things his own way.
There’s plenty of money in this country to go around. That 400 people have wealrh equivalent to a whole bunch of us, more power to them.
When it’s time to tighten belts, the private and public sectors both need to be included. The pensions and health care concessions made by our elected reps for the unions will drag our state and local gov’ts down for decades.
What does MM want us to do, pick up rifles and go after Warren Buffet and Bill Gates?
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
The mesage I heard from Moore is that we cannot survive with such vast class differences. Not take the wealth from the rich and give to the poor. There was a time when the middle class overlapped into the upper class, and the lower class overlapped into the middle class. And America was prosperous. We now have an upper class that is light years from the middle class and a sharp divide between the lower and middle class. You may notice we have a great unemployment problem and the class differences accentuate that problem. We are at the point where the upper class spends money, the lower and middle do not spend nearly as much nor is it porportional. That is the Moore message
Sarah Jones
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
John, the unions already conceded to the financial cuts the governor asked for. Way back weeks ago, in fact. So where does that leave this argument now?
Kevyster
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
IF MM is for the working people, why doesn’t he demand the 14 awol cowardly dems get their ass back to Wisconsin to do their job, the working people pay for, to prevent 1500 workers from being laid off? Btw, Sicko was banned according to Wikileads- who MM praised until that got out and then he curse wikileaks and is whining to get his 20 K back? Btw, wehat do you call “a working man” that finds $20 Million not enough to live off? Other than a liar, fraud, and immoral hypocrite, you call him “Michael Moore”.
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 6th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
He doesnt ask the 14 to come back because they are saving the peoples rights.
And you are gone.
Sarah Jones
Mar. 7th, 2011 at 12:29 am
Um, no it was not banned in Cuba.
And no, Wikileaks didn’t say it was. Wikileaks published a cable from a US government employee who had an agenda. At any rate, the movie was shown on TV there and widely distributed.
Canadian
Mar. 7th, 2011 at 3:46 am
love or hate michael moore, attacking him for making money off his living is pretty stupid. he doesnt bash people for being rich.
he is bashing rich people who use lobbyists and holes in the law to immorally gain millions of dollars that belong to others. bashing moore for making money like brad pitt or matt damon is retarded.
how can you sleep at night knowing that many corporations that got given money by your goverment not only do not pay taxes, but now want to remove the rights and rewards you EARNED just so they can get their hands on it.
this is a scary time and i think its the most important time of our lives. WAKE UP AMERICA dont let these bastards do this
Erol Flynn
Mar. 7th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
I am surprise that no body mentionned what happen in Ohio with Gov Niehaus:
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This is called nepotism I think! The Nazis could not have done better!!
Truth Risen
Mar. 7th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Michael Moore obviously missed the fact that money does, in a sense, grow on trees in our current economy. When our government wants to spend money it doesn’t have, it borrows more from the Federal Reserve Bank, thus reducing the value of everyone’s dollars. The lavish lifestyles of the rich require more to support, and the working class foots the bill through the invisible tax that is inflation. Our government is broke, we are in tremendous debt to China, among others, and the Federal Reserve Bank owns the US government. As far as the public workers in Wisconsin go, be glad you have work. There are thousands of people who would love to make 50+k a year, and would probably do it with no benefits, I would. When unemployment and food stamps are setting records, it is time to stop burdening the working class with paying for the perks of public sector workers, when they can hardly afford food and health insurance for themselves. People are looking for short-term comfort at the expense of the bigger picture. There are plenty of places to cut spending, the defense budget for starters. We could cut half of it and double just about every other government service, and still spend less than we are. State finances are a different deal though, a state can’t just go to Ben Bernanke and borrow $700billion. If the taxpayers in a state are suffering, they shouldn’t have to bare the expenses of comforting people who make 4x minimum wage or more, especially when they are going with no health insurance, or even car insurance. The root of this problem is our monetary policy, Michael Moore totally misses this fact in his push for socialism. We have got to restore the Congress’s job to coin sound currency, and remove this leech called the “Federal” Reserve Bank. If they loan dollars to the gov’t at interest, where does the money to reimburse the loan come from? They borrow it, with interest. See the problem here? Perpetual Debt.
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 7th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Moores message was the difference between the very rich and the lower & middle class. A country cannot survive that the vast difference we have today.
Bala Bafoofkit
Mar. 8th, 2011 at 2:55 am
Table 1: Distribution of net worth and financial wealth in the United States, 1983-2007
Total Net Worth
Top 1 percent Next 19 percent Bottom 80 percent
1983 33.8% 47.5% 18.7%
1989 37.4% 46.2% 16.5%
1992 37.2% 46.6% 16.2%
1995 38.5% 45.4% 16.1%
1998 38.1% 45.3% 16.6%
2001 33.4% 51.0% 15.6%
2004 34.3% 50.3% 15.3%
2007 34.6% 50.5% 15.0%
Financial Wealth
Top 1 percent Next 19 percent Bottom 80 percent
1983 42.9% 48.4% 8.7%
1989 46.9% 46.5% 6.6%
1992 45.6% 46.7% 7.7%
1995 47.2% 45.9% 7.0%
1998 47.3% 43.6% 9.1%
2001 39.7% 51.5% 8.7%
2004 42.2% 50.3% 7.5%
2007 42.7% 50.3% 7.0%
Bala Bafoofkit
Mar. 8th, 2011 at 2:56 am
Why are interest rates so low? And yet the recovery is anemic?
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 21st, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Ok jonny, you couldnt pass the “I am over 13 test”. Bye bye
b azui
Mar. 23rd, 2011 at 1:42 am
Hypothetical question #1: If Michael Moore is worth at least $50 Million in liquid assets…why is he so fat and how many other homeless and hungry people has he caused to become fat?
Hypothetical question #2: If Michael Moore’s $50 million dollars in assets are actually a ‘national resource’ why is he hoarding that resource and where is my working man’s piece of that 50 mill?
Hypothetical question #3: If Michael Moore believes so strongly in the redistribution of wealth and hates rich people so much…why is he so rich ($50 million plus) and why hasn’t he redistributed that $50 million to the working man?
Hypothetical question #4: How much of his $50 million has Michael Moore given away to the needy and homeless on Sunset Blvd? And what percentage of $50 million would that be? And couldn’t he just make 50 homeless people millionaires in one fell swoop?
Oldsun
Mar. 23rd, 2011 at 5:45 am
Hypothetical question why didn’t your dad pull out in time?
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 23rd, 2011 at 8:40 am
as usual you have completely missed the point that Michael Moore made. The point is that the balance of wealth in this country is way out of whack.
The point is you cannot survive as a country when less than 20% of the people have well over 80% of the wealth. In order for a country to survive you must have a well-balanced set of classes of people. You are always going to have an upper class, the middle class and a lower class of wealth in this country. But you cannot have the upper class holding 80% of the wealth. It would be reasonable to expect them to hold 20% of the wealth simply because the middle class is really the class that keeps the economy moving through their spending. Due to the fact that the middle class is much larger in terms of population than the upper class you would expect them to hold enough wealth to spend money on homes, cars, daily items etc. But when you take away there part of the wealth they no longer spend.
I could go on but I’m hoping at this point you’re smart enough to get the drift. This is not about Michael Moore’s money, nor is it about any other individuals money. This is about the balance of wealth in this country.
Shiva (Moderator)
Mar. 24th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
an interesting bit of boondongle
“Here’s the audio from Greta Van Susterin’s interview with Sen. Scott Fitzgerald, who got grilled for not just passing the budget repair bill over again, and let the courts do what courts do. Not only did he say he didn’t think he had the votes, but feared the return of…horror of horrors…the public protests.
Greta: “But you got your bill, you got your law. Let the governor sign it, and the secretary of state publish it and your done?
Fitzgerald: Greta, you know that the legislature is always very tentative, and you may have the votes on one day and then you don’t on the next. There are so many different factors that out there in trying to bring this together
As UppityWisconsin pointed out, the transcript was changed by Fox News to help the two Scott’s, Walker and Fitzgerald, to maintain the appearance of having confidence in the final court battle. Instead of “you may have the votes on one day and then you don’t on the next,” the passage of time had an odd “skip” effect in Fitzgerald’s statement:
Fitzgerald: You know the legislature is always very tentative. (SKIP) There are so many different factors that out there in trying to bring this together.
But Fitzgerald really doesn’t want to be inconvenienced by protesting mob that would show up at the Capitol.
Fitzgerald: “We know the protesters would come back immediately if we said or announced we would run this bill through again.”
Accountability to the people is so damn messy for the authoritarian one party rulers.
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