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Millions of jobs lost as corporations continue to set up overseas call centers
My Upstate South Carolina, November 25th Sunday paper was late. That’s unusual. Its really only happened a few times before. I traipsed out into the chill of a South Carolina late fall morning wearing my ratty jean jacket tucked under my decade-old down parka with a flying goose emblazoned inside a circle on the left pec area. And yes, we’ve been having desert-like weather here in the Upstate, with warm days and very nippy nights.
I have a big front yard and acres of backyard in my rural setting and as I climbed the rather steep, short hill to take me across the road to the green box housing my paper (Peyton Manning couldn’t throw the paper far enough to reach my porch), I noticed the green box housed nothing, certainly not the paper. It was 7:10 AM, well past the usual arrival time for my right-wing reading matter.
I decided to call the circulation department. Granted, it was early, but still late in terms of the paper’s normal delivery. I was advised to wait for the “next available agent.” As I always do in such cases, I clicked on the speaker-phone and continued reading a recent New Yorker magazine article called ‘Washington Man’. About 5 minutes into ‘Washington Man’, I heard a male voice and picked up the phone. I provided my name and address and was informed that the voice had been told there were technical issues at the paper and, fear not, it will show up as soon as those problems are settled. Fair enough I thought and thanked the man for his help and information.
It was only after hanging up that it dawned on me that the usual charming southern drawl for these parts had been replaced by a distinctly foreign accent. An accent I erroneously identified in my mind as Indian. Outsourcing for a small Upstate South Carolina newspaper? An hour later my second journey to the skinny green box was rewarded with the log-shaped rolled up clump known as the Sunday Paper. USC 27, Clemson 17 dominated the front page. Football is a huge deal in SC.
I told my wife about my earlier international phone sojourn to India (still misidentifying the country) and how I should have asked the fellow where he was located.
Being a child of the South, my dear spouse, who we shall call ‘Red’, not because of any socialist tendencies, but because she’s a genuine and gorgeous redhead, continues to be mortified by my Yankee impertinence and unseemly directness in defiance of civil convention. To wit, I stick my nose in other people’s business. It stuns me that after 32 years of such husbandly behavior, she’s still mortified. I would have divorced me long ago. She’s never done so, proving once again that even in the Deep South, there can be something to love about a Yankee.
I decided to call the circulation department once more under the guise of informing the person at the other end of the line that the paper had arrived and my thanks for all their help. This is exactly what I did and as my wife’s attentions were directed elsewhere, I asked my question, “Where are you located?” This different, but equally-accented male voice politely answered “The Philippines.” I had all I needed. I thanked him once again for his swift and effective response and replaced the receiver. It was time to go into research mode. First of all I realized these Filipinos were 13 hours further into their day when they fielded my call. When the clock passes noon in your domicile, it’s the next day in the Philippines. Many workers in that archipelago are pulling all-nighters just to serve their American base.
I soon found out there was a veritable call center revolution going on in the Philippines. American companies were flooding the estimated 800 call centers and according to CNN leaving over $11 billion dollars to be converted into Philippine Peso’s (PHP’s). That’s 800 call centers employing 600,000 workers who serve primarily American businesses. On the GlobalSky, Pasig City, Philippine’s call center Headquarters home page, the American Chief Operating Officer, Tony Cassar talks of the “importance of bringing in the Western Business Culture.” The site describes GlobalSky as “Your outsourcing business partner.”
India adds some 400,000 call center workers to the mix. That’s 1 million jobs between the 2 countries. I would estimate that at least 750,000 U.S. workers were victimized by the switch to these overseas cheapos.
My wife, a committed true-believer liberal (none of that Carville/Matalin thing for us) is, nonetheless, much less emotional and far more pragmatic about this issue. She says, given the large wage differential, there’s no way you’re going to persuade these major corporations to locate their call centers in the U.S. To which I responded, you’d better persuade major corporations to set up their call center in the U.S. In this one sector alone, there are likely well over a million jobs slingshotted out of America to India, the Philippines and other faraway slightly accented venues. That’s serious job loss.
In U.S. corporate dollar terms, a Philippine call center employee hauls in about $300 a month to jabber with pissed-off Americans. Probably pissed off because they lost their jobs to Philippine call centers. Executives told the N.Y. Times that it really wasn’t a matter of wages insofar as a Filipino call center employee actually makes $100 more a month than his or her counterpart in India. That’s not the point. The point is the differential between either of those countries and an American worker. That figures out to be 5 to 6 times less pay in the Philippines than the equivalent in the U.S.
One of the companies quoted was AT & T. They average around $20 billion a year in profits, though some years due to write-downs, noncash charges, acquisition mind changing and other financial esoterica, that number can appear to be less. The company is worth hundreds of billions, but apparently desperately needs the relative chicken feed that American call centers would represent.
There is supposedly a move to bring call centers back to the U.S. I doubt that will impact net job loss. To ensure that Congress saves call center and millions of other jobs from outsourcing makes the 2014 election even more important than 2012.
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Reynardine
Nov. 25th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Bring back tariffs.
A Walkaway
Nov. 25th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
My best friend worked as a programmer in California (silicon valley). When President Obama won the election (2008), his employers laid him off and shipped his job overseas, because they were afraid President Obama would crack down on them.
He’s been almost constantly unemployed every since. He’s written some really awesome software, but can’t get a decent paying job at it (they want to pay him minimum wage for a software designer and programmer)!
I’ve been seeing things like this from almost the first days I opened the business I used to have (28 years ago), through just a few months ago. I’ve been present when shops full of experienced and skilled craftsmen (they never hired women) were laid off and the equipment shipped overseas. In one, I was present when the owner said (reasonably close quote) to them “Why should I pay you jerks $15 an hour (the minimum wage was like 5-6 an hour) when I can pay someone in Mexico $8 a DAY to do the same work?” Then he gave them like two hours to get all of their tools out of the shop and closed the doors.
That’s when I also learned to make sure to get your money the instant you hear they’re outsourcing. I lost equipment in shops (shipped with their machines overseas), as well as many thousands of dollars in unpaid bills – after I’d fixed the machines so they could make money with them. They liked to wait until everything was running before the doors shut (and not pay bills).
BTW… Sallie Mae, which handles the Federal Student Loan program… most of those jobs were shipped overseas, and they’re having a real problem with the people over there being nasty, insulting, and impossible to work with (including telling lies). An American rep actually admitted that to me. My student loans are much higher than they should be and we’ve had many problems because of lies told by Indian “representatives” who gave wrong information.
Fedup
Nov. 25th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
This is and has been why the recovery is so slow. And to think corporations blame the POTUS knowing all along they have permanently removed the jobs we need. With the 1% ers its always about there profit margin not helping the people that could really use a hand up.
DobieTracker
Nov. 25th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Capital One Mastercard has also outsourced it’s call center.
I am no longer a Capital One Mastercard customer ! ! !
It took me :45 min to get to the United States located live human after I INSISTED AND INSISTED and got SENT BACK TIME AND AGAIN to the foreign contact.
I was “sent back” 3 x AFTER I ASKED FOR AND WAS ASSURED THAT I WOULD NEXT BE SPEAKING TO SOMEONE LOCATED IN THE UNITED STATES.
Then it was a low level person who I felt guilty about venting on so I INSISTED ON SPEAKING WITH HER NEXT HIGHER UP who I totally unloaded on, in a polite way, and cancelled my card.
I also refuse to pay the outstanding balance of approximately $2,000 knowing they will never sue as it would cost them too much AND since I have nothing they can assign, lien (got a reverse mortgage LOL) or garnish.
I told them I would pay the outstanding balance when they brought these jobs back to the United States. I told them I do NOT care about the person’s nationality, ONLY where they are located and that their English is good enough so I can understand them.
I’m bad :)
Brigita Petrutis
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 1:15 am
As long as it is legal for US-based corporations to exploit workers outside our borders, by engaging them to work for wages NOT legal within our borders, then these corporations will continue to rule rampant and rage with profits. Time for some regulation, and an end to exploitation of those workers most likely to be exploited. WTF!?! These corporate assholes should be shamed and worse — tarred and feathered for their immoral abuse of the most vulnerable of humanity!
Deborah_
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 2:59 am
Two days before the election I got one of those annoying political callers doing a “survey”. I could barely understand her, and asked where she was calling from. She said That their headquarters were in Utah. I asked her where she, personally was calling from. She said Utah. When I asked her what city in Utah she was calling from, she could only say, “Utah”. She couldn’t name a city in Utah. I told her I was voting for Obama, and hung up.
NativeSonKY
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 4:25 am
Yeah – check out a company called SiTel if you want to see true capitalism at work. They are based in Tennessee and have most of their call centers in other countries. The jobs they provide here to the average worker are digital slave sweatshops which pay just enough to keep a worker on food stamps, just like Walmart. The American worker is getting screwed worse every year since the day I started working in 1973 at the age of 14. And now they want our Social Security…
aspeenat
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Out in the semi rural areas of GA and AL there are new call centers. The pay is minimum wage with no benefits as you are considered a contract worker therefore you also pay a hire payroll tax rate 14 instead of 7. How much cheaper can US call centers get to persuade AT&T to come home. This running to the bottom is effecting other jobs as the pay is drastically less. In modern factories you need at least an associate degree that covers programing, certification in solid works, and metallurgy. The base pay for this type of factory worker with 2 years of collage has dropped to $10. With years of experience you can only go up to $15. I am just wondering who does AT&T think will be left to buy there products when no one is making a living wage ($14 an hour up)? Walmart is learning that the hard way. They pay their employes as little as possible (actually had to be told to stop paying Mexican Walmart workers in Walmart certificates) and now Walmart is in a sever slump as their key customers are to broke to shop at Walmart.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 7:18 am
This is what we call American values. We must have jobs here but we don’t mind if the corporations send their jobs elsewhere. It’s the global market you understand.
I would also like to know why if I call India on my own it cost a great amount of money. How come it is that a large corporation can pay relatively nothing? As far as I’m concerned, every corporation that does this needs to have any tax breaks they get taken away.
Every company does this. I used to have to talk to General Motors website support And they went from Canada, to Mexico, to India, and back to Canada again. You’d ever do what country you are talking to with them. I almost had a heart attack in two weeks ago when I had to call Comcast over my Internet connection. I was actually talking to a guy no more than 12 miles away from me.
Tracey
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 9:20 am
I cancelled my city paper because I was having real problems with deliveries and, like you, my call was being taken by people in the Phillippines, many of whom were unfamiliar with the English language. There was no way to speak to an American, so I cancelled my subscription–after all, I wasn’t getting the paper I was paying for in the first place, and nobody in the P.I. really gave a hoot.
fedded-up
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 10:04 am
The only way this is ever going to be stopped in its tracks is to levy a tax or penalty on each and every corporation that engages in this utterly shameful practice EQUAL to the amount of money they would have paid an American worker to do the same job. At least that way, the country can break even on the food stamps and unemployment those RW nutjobs complain about so bitterly.
Maranon
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 11:02 am
In Germany and the scandinavian countries have a tighter control of their corporations, and if you want to come and open shop, then your corporation is to be resposible for local workers and when the corporation decides to leave, then must provide re-training for the displaced workers and several months pay.
Have the corporations gone broke? no, but they make less money but it is better for the entire country.
It should be the government representing the people against the corporation’s greed.
clarence swinney
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 11:12 am
HP Computer–
call trouble number
Nice expert lady. Where you located?-Phillipines
Next time. same number.
Man not so expert.
where yu located? India.
what the XXXZZAAZZXXX?
Tiffany Lathrop
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I lost my good paying tech support job with Dell computers to someone in India. That was eight years ago.
Then I was on unemployment for 2 years. Since then I have not had a job as good as the one I lost to India.
Gentwo
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
It’s incomplete when we know that U.S. corporations are outsourcing to foreign countries with cheaper labor costs. We need a good list of the corporations that are outsourcing to foreign countries – so we can boycott their products and services! List, please?
tyburon
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
I can velived this is happening in this Country if you go to the addvertizing for jobs is only 1 page and they said of more cuts on Companys personal that gets me scare.I know is not Obamas fault.but I sure blame it to the Bush administration.that was the worst president of USA.
Jerry Blackburn
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
I used to work at Convergys. Watched thousands of employees who had families to feed go from supporting their families and moving up in the world to the food stamp line and the for profit college line – only to be processed into bits of part time labor who get no healthcare, no benefits, they are lucky to not be dead is the new degree you are awarded when you graduate college.
My personal channeling of the Jim Orr’s of my time:
Don’t like slave wages? I’m sure there is a bridge nearby from which you can leap – signed, the business community.
A Walkaway
Nov. 26th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Yeah, and they’re trying to turn regular universities and colleges into copies of the “for profit” ones.
Our POS “Great” governor, Scott, just challenged the schools to provide degrees for $10,000. I know where that’s headed… glorified tech school city (just as the local branch of my school was taken away and turned into a “Polytechnic University”, and as I understand without tenure or protection from political discrimination – which has been advertised as being legal in Florida). They will turn out good employees… but people not educated enough or with sufficient critical thinking skills to cut through the bullsh*t and see the propaganda for what it is.
They’ve been trying to eliminate disciplines like my own (archaeology/anthropology) for years, supposedly because they aren’t of value (a degree in anthropology could be the most useful of all, especially the higher degrees) but more because we challenge the ideology of the elites and teach things like evolution.
Sad thing is that I think the Schools of Business around the nation are teaching their students the sorts of things we fight against… the greed, the two-faced lies, the playing legal games and just skirting the edge of the law.
They’ve forgotten the old maxims I grew up under and ran my business by – long term commitment and planning, honest and fair treatment of everyone, and don’t screw the customer! (Yes, we just about starved because we were living in a state being run by the “new” business rules.)
Chappy
Nov. 27th, 2012 at 1:22 am
Sprint has moved everything overseas as well. I used to work at a call center as a Systems Administrator and Sprint was one of our clients. Sprint decided to move overseas. Good by job!
allen
Nov. 27th, 2012 at 2:49 am
Outsourcing is, in my estimation, the single biggest driver of inequality in the USA.
Corporations have decimated the middle class, destroyed unions and boosted their own profits and the investment returns for the 1% at the expense of the middle class.
Outsourcing is class warfare! And the middle class has lost.
BTW, anyone remember getting to vote on implementing NAFTA or MFN for china? Neither do I.
Maranon
Nov. 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
NAFTA has also been having a devastating effect in Mexico, with flooding of junk chinese products thru the walmart (via theUSA market) the shoe industry has tons of displaced workers, the cheese production and jam is in ruins.
For the coffee makers, is costing them more to produce a bag of coffee, than they can sell. (please buy fair traded coffee).
Consequently, many displaced workers are having to migrate to make ends meet, while abandoning their shops and small farms.
All while the corporations profit from the misery of many.