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Cutting Through the Hysteria, a Rational Look at the NDAA Ruling
It helps to read a ruling before drawing conclusions about its contents. It helps to recognize the validity of the ruling for the reasons contained in it rather than resorting to headlines that misrepresent the ruling.
The recent ruling by Judge Katherine Forrest in which she enjoined section 1021 of this year’s NDAA is, without question, a positive development.
The ruling means the court has temporarily stopped the government from enforcing section 1021 until a final ruling in this case involving writers and activists who challenged the constitutionality of section 1021 on first amendment and fifth amendment grounds.
In addition to blocking enforcement of section 1021 temporarily, the court ruled:
You may have read such stories that suggest the court ruled on the constitutionality of section 1021. The reality is reflected in the passage above. The court concluded that the plaintiffs will probably succeed in a facial challenge that section 1021 violates the first amendment. Showing a likelihood of success is very different from a ruling that section 1021 is unconstitutional.
Based on the House’s vote of 238-182 defeating an amendment to repeal this odious section in the NDAA bill for 2013, the best chance we have of a real solution to the problems inherent in Section 1021 is with the courts. However, there is an additional problem.
The NDAA is an annual bill, which means the previous version ceases to exist on a certain date. It is replaced with a new version of the bill.
Each time there is a new NDAA it means wondering if the President will sign it, if there will be a similar signing statement (or in fact a more elaborate one to reflect this ruling) and what future presidents would do with this situation. That is why the court commented on the lack of assurance of future government actions in its comments on the President’s signing statement (see below). Assuming the President signs a new NDAA with a section 1021 in it, the facial challenge on any grounds matters. Technically, the court ruling “expires” with the 2012 law. It means, that this would have to be re-litigated with the new law. It is pretty certain to succeed, if this case succeeds on a facial challenge. This happened with laws attempting to ban flag burning, albeit at the Supreme Court level.
It also means we need to cleaning house in Congress, by replacing people who seem to like attacking our constitutional rights repeatedly, regardless of what the courts say.
One of the problems in section 1021 is what the court called vague terminology. In plain English, it was badly written to the point that the average person would be unable to understand what actions are compliant with the law and what actions are not. This vagueness was serious enough for the court to conclude on page 50 of the ruling that a facial challenge on first amendment grounds is appropriate.
“A facial challenge is appropriate here. That does not, however, mean that plaintiffs have necessarily shown a likelihood of success on the merits as to that claim–the Court separately analyzes that below.”
Ultimately, the court concluded a facial challenge on first amendment grounds was likely to succeed. From page 52 of the ruling.
This Court is left then, with the following conundrum: plaintiffs have put forward evidence that § 1021 has in fact chilled their expressive and associational activities; the Government will not represent that such activities are not covered by § 1021; plaintiffs’ activities are constitutionally protected. Given that record and the protections afforded by the First Amendment, this Court finds that plaintiffs have shown a likelihood of succeeding on the merits of a facial challenge to § 1021.
The court did comment on how vague terminology could also compromise our right to due process, as reflected on pages 54-55 or the ruling.
Before anyone should be subjected to the possibility of indefinite military detention, the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment requires that individuals be able to understand what conduct might cause him or her to run afoul of § 1021. Unfortunately, there are a number of terms that are sufficiently vague that no ordinary citizen can reliably define such conduct.
Plaintiffs have shown a likelihood of success on their vagueness challenge. The terms upon which they focused at the hearing relate to who is a “covered person.” In that regard, plaintiffs took issue with the lack of definition and clarity regarding who constitutes an “associated forces,” and what it means to “substantially” or “directly” “support” such forces or, al-Qaeda or the Taliban.”
However, that doesn’t mean that we can conclude a facial challenge on fifth amendment grounds would succeed, as reflected in the following from the ruling (footnote 19, page 47)
Outside the First Amendment context, a facial challenge can generally only prevail when a plaintiff establishes that no set of circumstances exist under which the law would be valid. Washington State Grange, 552 U.S. at 449. In other words, the Court is quite mindful of the nearly infinite bar that applies to facial challenges when something other than the First Amendment is at issue.
Ultimately, the court was silent as to whether a facial challenge on fifth amendment grounds has a likelihood of success for the very fact that it concluded a facial challenge would succeed on first amendment grounds on page 57 of the ruling.
“Because this Court has also found that that plaintiffs have shown a likelihood of success on the merits of their facial challenge under the First Amendment, this Court need not and does not reach the question of whether a facial challenge (versus an as applied challenge) would succeed on the Fifth Amendment claim at this stage.”
This is important to understand. The court concluded that a facial challenge would likely succeed on first amendment grounds. It did note that vague terminology raises serious fifth amendment issues. However, the court did not rule either way on the question of whether a facial challenge on fifth amendment grounds would succeed. As noted earlier, a facial challenge means the provision would be unconstitutional in all applications making it void. However, without a finding that a facial challenge would succeed, we are left to speculate as to whether section 1021 could be constitutional in certain applications.
This is where the court’s comments on the President’s signing statement in a footnote on page 64 offers some insight.
The assertion that President Obama’s Signing Statement erases any reasonable fear of imminent harm does not take into account precisely on what that Signing Statement focuses. It does not state that § 1021 of the NDAA will not be applied to otherwise-protected First Amendment speech nor does it give concrete definitions to the vague terms used in the statute. Rather, the Signing Statement simply assures the public that the Obama “Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens” and “will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law.” Singing Statement, 2011 DAILY COMP. PRES. DOC. 978 at 1, 2. Thus, the question only goes to the constitutionality of the detention authorized by § 1021–not the type of conduct that may fall within § 1021. Accordingly, the Signing Statement does not eliminate the reasonable fear of future government harm that is likely to occur–i.e., the irreparable injury at issue here. (my bold for emphasis)
Sarah Jones explained signing statements,their purpose and parameters very well:
A signing statement is something of a public pronouncement a president might make about a bill they are signing into law. They have been used to clarify their positions or elaborate dissent. In modern times, they are used to direct executive agencies to interpret the law according to the President’s interpretation of the Constitution.
The court made three important points about the signing statement issued by the President when he signed the NDAA for 2012.
Ironically, Jason Easley and Sarah Jones reach a similar conclusion on this point in their analysis of the Signing statement, while others faulted the President for issuing a signing statement at all.
“In his signing statement attached to the NDAA, President Obama made it clear that the language about detentions does not apply to US citizens.
In the second paragraph of his NDAA signing statement, Obama stated, “The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it. In particular, I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists.”
One concern is similar to the restraints the court faced if it attempted to rectify the problems in section 1021 with a limiting construction. A limiting construction means a court can address vague terminology by adopting its own definitions to make it clear enough that a person with average intelligence would understand it.
Second, it runs afoul of the separation of powers between the Executive and Legislative branches at it imports a construction provided by the Executive, and not Congress. Doing so would strip Congress of its power to legislate–and to give statutes the meaning it intends.” (my bold for emphasis)
As noted by Sarah Jones in early January this year.
The President may not circumvent, disobey, or ignore any enacted Congressional Law. The President is granted three options: sign it into law, veto it in its entirety and return to the body responsible, or do nothing.
It is very possible that the Administration didn’t anticipate that section 1021 would adversely affect our first amendment rights.
If individuals like Glenn Greenwald, who welcome any opportunity to attack the president, saw that section 1021 was a threat to the first amendment, they would have been as vocal about it as they were about indefinite detention. Since Greenwald and others didn’t appear to notice a potential compromise to the first amendment, it seems reasonable to assume that the President didn’t notice that possibility either.
In the final analysis, the signing statement did fall short.
There were some critics who faulted the President for signing the NDAA and issuing a signing statement. They overlooked certain political realities.
Doing nothing was not an option since the military would have gone unfunded. If the president exercised the veto, the constitutional issues would remain a reality since an override was likely as noted in Jason Easley and Sarah Jones’ analysis.
Luckily the President got the language changed, because even if he chose to veto it, it would be for naught, as the Senate had 83 votes for it and it takes only 67 to override a Presidential veto.
In the House the first NDAA vote was 322-96. The final vote was 283-136 with 43 Republicans voting no. If Obama would have vetoed and 35 of those 43 Republicans flipped to yes, the House would have had the votes to override a presidential veto.
At the time, the primary concern was section 1021’s ability to subject Americans indefinite detention. That is why the President issued the signing statement. While it fell short on other serious and valid issues, including a violation of the first amendment, the court recognized that, at least under the Obama Administration, the signing statement did address the constitutional issue of indefinite detention.
One limitation of a signing statement is the absence of an assurance that future Administrations will recognize or concern themselves with the issues addressed by the Administration that issued the signing statement. That is always the case, but definitely a matter of primary concern in this case. With this bill, there is the added limit that the signing statement is only applicable to the 2012 version of the NDAA. There is no guarantee that a signing statement would accompany all subsequent versions of the NDAA.
The only real assurance we have that section 1021 will not be used as a vehicle to detain Americans indefinitely is with a court ruling that would render section 1021 void.
Since Congress seems determined to preserve Section 1021, despite the Court’s ruling, we are left with hoping that the courts will see reason, where Congress can’t or won’t.
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Churchlady
May. 20th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
This makes absolutely NO sense, since in the final bill in this section, 4 (b) specifically exempts all US citizens and resident aliens from any actions that might otherwise be attendant upon enemy agents of Al Qaeda (the ONLY group that can be addressed in this manner.)
No less an authority than Kate Martin of the Center for National Security Studies has written of this “pernicious myth” that civil liberties were abrogated in the Defense Authorization Act via indefinite detention of US citizens in the US.
www.huffingtonpost.com/ka...
In one of the responses to her column, the PDF link to the final bill is made.
www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BIL... and go to pages 265 through 267
The hype about detentions overseas is also overstated according to Martin whose voice is THE voice of authority on civil liberties within issues of national security.
Always glad to have courts strengthen issues, clarify what might indeed be weak, but the fact is this bill does nothing at all to increase presidential power or erode our civil liberties. both the bill AND previous court rulings have given no such authority, and Obama is acting precisely as we’ve wished in trying terrorist suspects in the US. He’s also not gearing up anything to do us harm, no matter WHAT Michelle Bachmann and some hair on fire faux liberals claim (odd bedfellows that): no “re-education camps” no nothing. Constitutional protections all around, and improved clarification of detainee rights on review.
The hype is just that = hype. While the CNSS web site is under construction, you can find information on this and other issues. www.cnss.org Keep in touch – they will help quell your incipient ulcer.
Why is this important? If you cannot see what civil liberties have been reclaimed, how can you decide what liberties you still need to define and restore? If you cannot determine when a president does something you want, how can you possibly know whom to trust in the future? Discretion counts. Being as ignorant about policy as the Baggers does not serve progressives well, and it for sure does not serve this country.
Carrie
May. 20th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Thanks for breaking this down to process. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Obana administration uses this as reason to veto upcoming house bill. They already have seven pages of reasons why they are going to veto.
What do you think about their veto possibility?
Adalia Woodbury
May. 20th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
I haven’t read the 2013 version of the bill yet, which could have additional constitutional issues. If there are some additional ones, that could be enough to persuade the President to veto. If not, he may go the route he did with the 2012 version, signing with a signing statement.
The problem though, is even if he vetos, an override is very possible.
Churchlady
May. 20th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Can you explain how 1021 Sec. 4 (b) specifically exempts US citizens and resident aliens and this still is considered dangerous?
In the brief, none of the plaintiffs even referred to that section, and it IS in the final House version the president signed.
I think it’s murky about the government’s role of journalists vis-avis interview subjects, American citizens though the journalists be, in their role overseas, but is that all this legal finding pertains to?
I cannot find anything that remotely authorizes the president to arrest and detain indefinitely citizens and lawfully present aliens IN the US and probably not outside. I have this horrid feeling that they are arguing off an earlier version of the bill. In fact, (I don’t have it in front of me so may be mis-remembering) section 1021 does not exist – it’s 1022 where that language resides in the version signed by the president. In the Senate bill, it was 1031 and 1032. Section 1021 became something about mothballing ships.
Since I have read the final version and trust Kate Martin’s reading of it, I am utterly confused about this case, the perpetuation of language about the bill that just does NOT line up with the official version, and what all this is in aid of. Even reading your excellent analysis, it still makes no sense according to the language of the bill that this case went forward.
Any light that can be shed on 4 (b) would be very helpful.
Adalia Woodbury
May. 20th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
You’re referring to section 1022, correct?. This suit is with respect to section 1021, which is in the text of the final bill at the link you cited.
That said,
Section 1022 4(b) also says “under this section” That doesn’t protect Americans from the contents of section 1021.
Churchlady
May. 20th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
But section 1021 (e) does
Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed
to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of
United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States,
or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United
States
Since we have Constitutional protections already, how does this CHANGE that to make US citizens and lawfully present aliens vulnerable?
I do see the problem for journalists outside the country – that’s not well explained in the House final version, and that IS what Hedges et al. are arguing about. But within the US, the Constitution prevails. Where is the basis for the concern? And section 1022 on indefinite detention DOES guarantee US citizens and lawfully present aliens are NOT subject to that part of 1021 on detention until the end of hostilities.
I think CNSS’s read on the bill is accurate, that the issues for journalists outside the US are indeed legitimate but cannot be backfilled to say they affect them IN the US or that all of us are vulnerable. I think 1021 e and 1022 4 b cover our rights very clearly within the US which is where the flap has all been.
d nova
May. 20th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
depends what that ‘upcoming house bill’ is.
Reynardine
May. 20th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
This was a first rate article, but I’d have known what you were about sooner if you had give a USC cite, a case style and number, and a brief rubric about the subject matter. I have practiced law, and I can’t memorize that much alphabet soup. What about the rest of us poor shotts?
Your analysis was excellent, however. This is a case worth tracking.
d nova
May. 20th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
try googling ‘NDAA’. in your profession, you might profit from such a skill.
Churchlady
May. 20th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
That’s no help at ALL since it brings up hysteria about non-official earlier language. Better to read CNSS and Kate Martin on this – you will be more confused, but you do have THE definitive source on the bill. I noted the links to the bill itself and to her article in Huffington Post in my larger reply.
This is utterly confusing since the language of protection is IN THE BILL signed into law. But the arguments in court omit that section, and I do not understand at all how this could be true.
Reynardine
May. 20th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
No, Mr. D Nova, that sort of search can bring up not only a couple dozen scattershot cites, but also every editorial and article ever written on it, and also every other entity that ever had that acronym. Such a search conducted on Westlaw would be more specific, but when I said I *have practiced* law, I mean I am some years retired; I don’t have legal databases at home, and I’m not going to the law library unless it’s serious. I do have the U.S. Code, and cases tried in the federal courts are often generally available. Now, put that up your nose and smoke it.
Shiva (Moderator)
May. 20th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
It seems to me if you have to issue a signing statement saying you wont use a bill, then veto that part of it.
It his veto was over ridden then the pres had a hammer to use on GOP and dems that voted for indefinite detention. I am all for getting rid of all of them. Our rights are meaningless in the face of the millions of terrorists here car bombing in New York anyways.
The court will do whatever the Koch wants them to do
Note to Reynardine. DO you want ice cream with that?
d nova
May. 20th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
‘veto that part of it’? did they enact a line item veto? i must’ve missed it.
Reynardine
May. 20th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
The President does not have a line-item veto, and empowering him with one legislatively would in effect be enabling him to both redraft legislation and ratify his redraft, without Congress as an intermediary. To so empower him would require a Constitutional amendment, and would come dangerously close to creating the unitary executive the Bush Administration was panting for.
Churchlady
May. 20th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Shiva – while the language seems clear to me, it’s not, apparently, to others. What the signing statement said was not that Obama would not follow the law but that the law itself is not intended to usurp existing Constitutional rights. That makes it a legal, not a political, issue.
Andrew Rei
May. 20th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
For a little more than six months, I’ve been trying to educate people about the truth of the 2012 NDAA; while section 1021 does contain the language that allows the indefinite military detention of suspected terrorists, it also contains subsection e, which states that three groups of people are not subject to it; those three groups of people are: US citizens, lawful resident aliens and anyone caught or arrested in the US suspected of terrorist activities. The fact that Judge Forrest did not recognize this is very concerning to me; it’s not as though the provision was written in “legal mumbo-jumbo”, as most bills in Congress are written in; so, that fact essentially kills the plaintiffs’ Fifth Amendment argument; even more stupid is the opinion that section 1021 violates Americans’ free speech/assembly rights; I’ve read all of section 1021 several times; there is no language whatsoever that limits free speech and assembly rights, which makes that argument null and void; again, how come a FEDERAL JUDGE doesn’t realize this? There’s also a disconnect from the truth about how Congress voted to pass the Act in the first place: the whole act passed in the US House by “unanimous consent”, which means no one present at the time of the vote raised an objection to it; in the Senate, it passed 93-7. So, I dunno where these media people get their incorrect information.
With regard to the 2013 NDAA: the US House voted 299-120 on Friday to pass it; it still needs approval in the Senate and a signature by President Obama for it to become law. In the 2013 NDAA, there are three sections, 1031 through 1033, that affirm American citizens’ right to Habeus Corpus (not being held indefinitely by the authorities); the sections also cite a Federal appeals court decision and a Supreme Court ruling that affirm US citizens’ right to not be held in detention indefinitely by anyone, let alone the military. What this means, simply, is that, if no changes are made to the bill and the President’s signing of it after passing the Senate will mean that indefinite military detention won’t be allowed in 2013, either.
But, again, I’m amazed that a Federal judge would consider the subsection that plainly says that indefinite military detention not applying to US citizens and two other groups of people as “vague”. Give me a break!
There’s something else that the media has not reported that you should know about the 2012 NDAA: the GOP in Congress wrote the bill originally without subsection e of section 1021; that’s right…the GOP were ready to sell everybody out to the military and the whims of the President! However, the authors came to a horrifying realization if they didn’t add subsection e: President Obama could ARREST THEM for suspected terrorism and send them to Gitmo! By the way, both the 2012 and 2013 NDAA’s don’t allow President Obama to close down Gitmo unless the President wants to spend his own money doing it. If you’re thinking that the GOP added subsection e out of the goodness of their hearts and to protect American citizens, you’re sadly mistaken; the GOP simply added subsection e to COVER THEIR OWN ASSES! They’re already suffering from a 13% approval rating; had they written the 2012 and 2013 NDAA’s without protection for American citizens, we may have had a riot on our hands.
The question now is: “why don’t we dispense with the bullshit” and try to get along? Well, the fact that most of the Republican Party took a turn to the criminally insane when Barack Obama was elected President and that a bunch of the GOP “braintrust” got together the night of the President’s inauguration to plan an obstructionist strategy tells us that as few GOP politicians need to be in power as possible in order for sanity to be restored. Newt Gingrich, the “Godfather of Gridlock” (among his many nicknames), attended that meeting and told the others what he did to try and obstruct President Clinton while he (Gingrich) was Speaker of the House from 1995-1999. So, if you’re wondering where the current batch of certifiably insane Republicans got the ideas for the obstructionist philosophies they now practice, you know who’s responsible.