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The Obama Hate Machine Hits An Absurd Low Over Thanksgiving Speech
By: RmuseNov. 26th, 2011more from Rmuse
For the past two days, Americans around the country have used Thanksgiving to express gratitude for family, friends, and good fortune, and in keeping with that sentiment and tradition, the President gave a special Thanksgiving radio address to express his gratitude to America’s service men and women for their dedication in protecting our country overseas and at home. The President also gave thanks to volunteers around the country who gave their time and resources to help feed less fortunate Americans as well as his personal list that included “pilgrims, pioneers, and patriots.” Apparently though, President Obama forgot to clear his “gratitude list” with Christians who are outraged he did not give thanks to or acknowledge god.
The fact that the President of the United States did not use his Thanksgiving address as a personal testimonial of his religious beliefs should be a welcomed sign that, for once, religion did not play any part in a government function. The fact that his omission of religious references outraged Republicans and religious leaders is another reminder that America is still under assault from the religious right whose intention is transforming the country and government into a theocracy. There are myriad posts and comments on the Internet using the President’s speech as proof he is not a Christian and oddly, a liar for claiming to be a Christian but not making his entire address an act of obeisance to god.
The title of the President’s speech; “On Thanksgiving, Grateful for the Men and Women Who Defend Our Country,” was not a sermon and it should not have been either. The religious community thinks otherwise and it is a continuing battle that non-religious people are facing more as fundamentalist nut-jobs attempt to impose their beliefs on the entire country. Republicans have tapped into the religious right’s notion that every citizen is obliged to follow Christian beliefs and have spent the 112th session of Congress legislating the bible instead of governing the country.
There is a feeling within the religious community that without god, America is doomed. It is an insane notion that diminishes the sacrifice of generations of Americans to build this country into the great nation it is, and to criticize the president for not attributing to god what human beings accomplished is the height of foolishness. President Obama was right to give thanks to the people that built this country, and omitting a mythological creature showed intelligence religious fanatics lack.
One rural Oklahoma Baptist preacher wrote that “to give thanks for luck is to deny god, much less omit!” Other critics wrote that Obama’s perceived omission was “so sad” and for fundamentalists, perhaps it is sad, but the president is not a preacher; therein lies the crux of the problem. A majority of Americans are clueless when it comes to the threat the Christian Dominionist movement poses to America, its people, and democracy in general. Dominionists have made little secret that their only reason for existing it to control every aspect of American life. Dominionists are working to control the so-called seven mountains of influence in culture and once they control each segment, their theocratic conquest will be complete. The seven mountains are; arts and entertainment, business, education, family, government, media, and religion.
Whether or not Dominionists succeed in controlling the entire country is dependent on their control of the government, and they are gaining power and influence every time Republicans propose legislation based on the bible or the President acknowledges god in a speech. It must have been a slap in fundamentalists’ face for President Obama to fail to acknowledge god in his speech, but for many Americans, it was refreshing to hear the President give a speech without a reference to god.
The outrage at Obama’s omission of a deity is another reminder that there is nothing this president can, or cannot do that will not evoke anger and hatred from a segment of the population. Regardless that President Obama presides over the lowest tax rates in 60 years or has killed more terrorists than Bush, the Obama-haters will criticize his every move; so he may as well do the right thing and keep god, and religion, out of his speeches.
In this instance, Obama clearly was thanking volunteers in the military and those who give their time at soup kitchens and shelters in what the President called “‘a celebration of community,” and not a celebration of Christianity, god, or any other mythological fairy tale that millions of Americans depend on to know what it means to be thankful. There are plenty of Americans who are sick and tired of religion being imposed on their lives and injected into every speech, conversation, and debate and a good bet is that they are very thankful that the President said absolutely nothing about god. Thank You President Obama!
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Matty
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 10:14 am
DEMocracy … not THEOcracy !!
Eykis
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 11:52 am
RMuse,
Great column, as always.
The FACT that these very same Dominionists are making EVERY ATTEMPT at DENYING Veterans their duly-earned HealthCare is another sign of their Xtian Stoopidity and desire to CONTROL the rest of us.
Our best chance is to keep them out of elected positions and vote them out in 2012.
clorinda sheridan
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
One of the reasons settlers came to this country was to have the freedom to worship to whatever god they wished to do so with.Granted unless you were King Henry and could behead your wife for not giving a male heir what possibly could be the point of copulating in the first place. We have not only become a nation of have vs have nots but one in which you cannot be far enough to the far right or left enough to be left.I want to be able to pray to my inner child that once had the innocence of youth before it was stolen or just to look at a photo of what once was my granddaughter looking at the sun rise with the wonderment of that inner child that lies within all of us at times.
I was thankful for my family,until they decided I was not dying quickly enough for them,have to rectify that soon I suppose.
However,it is our right to worship to whomever or whatever we wish to do so,and not to complain about it.Is that making it any better? I tend not to think so. Better you had stopped your hate mongering at the table of families or into a reporter`s ear and gone to help at a homeless shelter.
dcoronata
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Actually the opposite is true. Pilgrims didn’t seek religious freedom, they wanted a place where they could practice their discrimination again others. They had a habit of executing Quakers, which they
followed by holding mock trials and executing innocent men for alleged acts of beastialty. This was soon followed by the more infamous witch trials.
Some of our founding fathers were amongst the worst people you could possibly imagine and if you could meet them today you would find see how twisted our history books have become in order to protect their reputations.
D. Jack
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Opposite in more way than one. Actually King Charles stopped the Puritan colonies from continuing their executions of religious minorities.
I’m not an absolute monarchist (just a Canadian) but to tell the truth, by the time of the revolutionary war the U.S. wasn’t fighting for freedom from monarchy either, but rather freedom from the British parliament.
Donna
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
And it takes a Canadian to remind Americans the reason for the Revolutionary War…and that is a sad commentary on how little the people in this country know about their own country and its history.
Many also forget that Jamestown was NOT a colony founded on a religious basis either, but was a way for the king to gain more land in a new country. New Amsterdam had nothing to do with religion; the Dutch also wanted a foothold in this new land. Georgia was founded basically as a penal colony and a way to expand England’s holdings and trade routes. And, you are quite correct about the Pilgrims (Puritans) who settled in the Massachusetts Bay Colony and then proceeded to do to others what had been done to them and they had escaped from. They obviously had learned very little.
Gayle Main
Nov. 28th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Since when is Thanksgiving about religion? Christmas is people, not Thanksgiving! Seriously, I am sick and tired of people making crap up just to make our President of the United States look bad! He has not done anything stupid like the last several so you have to make stuff up? I can guarantee even if a republican gets voted in, IT’S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING UNTIL CONGRESS GET’S THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR ASSES AND DECIDE TO GET TOGETHER AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE INSTEAD OF BEING MORE INTERESTED IN WHO GET’S THE CREDIT! I’m sick of it!
Papa G
Nov. 29th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
And Christmas is paganistic
Zookeeper
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 10:26 am
The Christ-bots are ruining this country.
jlt
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Actions speak louder than words..These ARE NOT CHRISTIANS!
Jesus would throw them out of the temple!
Watcher
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Exactly!!!
Dale
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Actually they are what the Christian church has become. They get a little further from the teachings of Jesus every year. But that doesn’t seem to stop them from pretending to represent him.
What they are is the christian version of the Taliban. They aren’t as violent yet but rest assured if they are allowed to continue on the current path they will make the Muslim extremists look like pacifists. These people and their political wing (the Tea Party) represent a serious danger to our freedom and our country.
Kip W
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 10:59 am
When I see a church with the huge crosses outside on the lawn, I say to myself, “If Jesus comes back, they’re ready for him.”
as promised
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 10:59 am
They and Dominionism/Theocracy are a far more ‘clear and present danger’ than any Sharia Law or Taliban.
I would love to see all the “Faith-Based Initiatives” instituted by Bush ABOLISHED.
Reynardine
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 10:32 am
President Obama is occupying the White House while being black: that is his offense. Had he pronounced an orison to “Gahd”, these people would have proclaimed he was actually praying to Mumbo Jumbo God of the Congo (which work of Vachel Lindsay I hope has been permanently retired from public view)
dz
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Historians and scholars had to dig deep to find enough material on many of the earlier presidents to write their numerous biographies. It will be much easier when the history of President Obama is written. They will have every filthy word and lie uttered by the right-wing propaganda machine memorialized in print as backup. It will show the fine character and personal bravery of a man who didn’t waver in his role despite the waves of hatred directed at him and his family and expose the goal of the right to take us into another full-out civil war on our own soil.
My father warned me not to trust Republicans way back in the 60′s. I’m almost glad he didn’t live to see the depth of their current ruthlessness and hatred for Democracy once they fully aligned with the extreme far right religious zealots. That alone would have ended his life.
Travis Staton
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Well-stated
Richard
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Your post reminded me of my father saying something similar back in the early 60′s. To the best of my recollection what he said was “if the Republicans ever take over control of this country they will end up destroying it.” Of course, at the time I did not know enough to understand the significance of what he was saying.
Linda1961
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 11:00 am
I think the real problem with the Faux christians “outrage” over President Obama not mentioning God is that their faith is very weak, and possibly non-existent.
clarence swinney
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 11:39 am
6700
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sort of one sided
Many of 6700 seem to be doing ok
Get it?
newmeximan
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Add this to the list of Bush failures: the President is not a preacher/daddy figure. He or she is the head of the executive branch of out government.
If the theocrats want to see another civil war on our soil, this is how to start one. If they only represent 25% of the population, then they also only represent 25% of the current military members. The conservatives would wipe themselves out – leaving no one behind to remember them as the martyrs they so deeply desire to become.
A Walkaway
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
- “The religious community thinks otherwise and it is a continuing battle that non-religious people are facing more as fundamentalist nut-jobs attempt to impose their beliefs on the entire country.”
The UU churches are part of the “Religious Community” and face the same battle as “non-religious people”. Ditto for many others, including a lot of Christians and people who have other beliefs. They (the dominionists/fundamentalists) are imposing their beliefs on EVERYONE.
I’m as glad as any that President Obama didn’t turn the speech into a sermon and I really appreciated what he said.
- “There are plenty of Americans who are sick and tired of religion being imposed on their lives and injected into every speech, conversation, and debate and a good bet is that they are very thankful that the President said absolutely nothing about god.”
That goes for me too, and I follow a rather esoteric form of Christianity. I think many of the readers know by now that I am a walkaway and as opposed to theocracy and fundamentalism as anyone can get.
Fundamentalism is the problem, not religion. I would remind people that ALL religions (including atheism, which can be defined that way as it involves belief – or the lack thereof) have fundamentalists and militants, who do become quite obnoxious to those who don’t follow their beliefs.
crystalwolfakacaligrl
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
What “God” was he supposed to mention? Hindu god? Buddhist? DoG? Muslim? The Great Spirit? Higher power?
To which god was he supposed to mention?
My god what idiots! Next they will say the WH served a butterball turkey!
Deborah
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
that was a good one! the butterball turkey. love it
VeggieTart
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
The fact that people are angrier over Obama not mentioning the invisible sky dude than, say, the fact that there are people in this country without enough food, people in this country without adequate shelter, and people dying for want of health insurance is telling.
Travis Staton
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Amen!
Dale
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
WWJD? I’ll bet he would whine about the lack of a shout out.
KarenJ
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Proof that the religionists are displaying a knee-jerk hate reaction to President Obama, AGAIN:
1) “Though our traditions have evolved, the spirit of grace and humility at the heart of Thanksgiving has persisted through every chapter of our story. When President George Washington proclaimed our country’s first Thanksgiving, he praised a generous and knowing God for shepherding our young Republic through its uncertain beginnings. Decades later, President Abraham Lincoln looked to the divine to protect those…”
2) “As we gather in our communities and in our homes, around the table or near the hearth, we give thanks to each other and to God for the many kindnesses and comforts that grace our lives.”
3) “I encourage the people of the United States to come together whether in our homes, places of worship,…”
4) “IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this sixteenth day of November, in the year of our Lord two thousand eleven, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-sixth.”
www.whitehouse.gov/the-pr...
Doug Ogden
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Your outrage over their outrage just helps them determine what outrage will get some traction in the days to come. Either ignore them, especislly if it’s one rural Baptist in Oklahoma, or barring that, point out on religious voice who’s doing it right. We religious types on the non-crazy side are tired of getting smeared with the same wide brush. And in a nation committed to free speech, we can’t silence the idiots, we can only counter with better speech. Let the mantra be “grace and humility” for this holiday season. Liberals might actually lose the white house someday to the nuts, but no sense selling your souls to the same techniques
Johnee
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Yes, and thank you for articles like these! The Democrats, moderates, and independents that shake their heads, roll their eyes, and dismiss these very dangerous people with a wave of their hand, need to wake up!
Those of us that live in Texas and the southern states are extremely aware of the dominionist/religious right threat. People like A Walkaway and myself harp on this issue all the time, but these things need to be constantly reinforced.
A lot of liberals and progressives will say, “gee what’s the big deal, why can’t these people just stay out of our pants and our bedrooms and quite trying to enforce their religion as public policy?” Yeah, as if the light of reason is somehow going to come on in these theocrats’ minds.
If people would just get these basic points about the religious right through their heads:
Most (dominionists) DO NOT have anything resembling a live and let live attitude.
Fear of the other is their calling card.
Most do not feel ANY empathy towards gays, atheists, or other religions.
They feel western society is intolerant and persecute them, because it “forces” them to co-exist with said gays, atheists, and other religions.
They are ALL about big intrusive government- y’know the dangerous Orwellian variety – and will use any means at their disposal to enforce their version of Biblical law on the rest of society.
mathazar
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
THANK-YOU Mr President.
I’m sooo glad to be living in a country that has an atheist Prime Minister (Julia Gillard). And one of my prized possessions is a US dollar old enough to lack the “in god we trust”.
Atheist_Pilgrim
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
The point to remember about our atheist Prime Minister is that, in our country, her atheism is irrelevant to the way she manages her government, or anything else she does. Most people, in my opinion, don’t give a rats arse whether our politicians are religious or not, but they do give a rats about the way the politicians run the country. Julia Gillard is not the first admitted atheist to be Prime Minister and no doubt she won’t be the last. Similarly, we have openly gay senior politicians, including a Cabinet Minister and the leader of the Greens party, both of whom live in committed same sex relationships. Of course God is everywhere, but he/she/it has little obvious influence within the parliament and over our parliamentarians. We may be far from being the perfect democracy, but compared to what I read about the US, we are indeed “The Lucky Country”.
David Ashton
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
As an evangelical christian myself I want nothing to do with the christian Right. They do not worship a God of grace. Christ did not seek dominion, and tells us not to do so. Rather , He taught to love and to pray for those with whom we most disagree.
These conservative christians fix on little points of legalism and revile those they see as non-christian.
I include a few words from 1 Peter:
“And all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
“But set Christ apart as Lord in your hearts and always be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks about the hope you possess. Yet do it with courtesy and respect, keeping a good conscience..”
“Finally, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, affectionate, compassionate, and humble..”
I see none of this in them.
Watcher
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Thank you. You said it better than I could . The fakes twist and pervert His words, for their own secular a control and power. They worship themselves and self aggrandizement!
marpwv18
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 9:20 am
It is important that we understand the difference between these fascists and mainstream Christians. The Dominionists hold in contempt not only non-believers and members of other faiths, but mainstream Christians as well. There is no mistaking their searing hatred and contempt when you encounter into it. They find the prospect of controlling the rest of us so intoxicating that they are beyond any hope of compromise. And because they have formed an unholy alliance with the corporatists and extreme right, they are now a potent political force.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 9:26 am
I agree, when many see the word christian in an article critical of dominionism they go off the rails first thing thinking it is regular “normal” christians being talked about
Jo Hargis
Nov. 28th, 2011 at 9:16 am
I liken it to the Holy Crusades of centuries ago. These people today really believe they’re on a mission to defend their Christianity, even though their model of Christianity doesn’t even remotely resemble the true faith anymore. It’s all about power and control, forcing people to believe only what they believe, and anything else is evil, “anti-American” and must be destroyed. Their intolerance of anything remotely outside their narrow sphere is sooooo like Islam (just switch the Big Dude’s names out) and they seem utterly incapable of seeing just how like radical Islam they are. They want a society where gays are persecuted and prosecuted, perhaps even executed. They want a society where women are no longer equal to men, but are subservient baby makers. They want ALL other religions, or non-religions, banished from this country. They want a theocratic dictatorship, in short. It always amazes me that they are incapable of seeing that Norquist’s agenda of destroying the US government and making the republican party the ONLY party is the equivalent of a dictatorship. It amounts to a coup, and is treason.
Sadly, their rhetoric gets far more attention, and mainstream Christians trying to be good Christians and do the right thing are being widely painted with the “crazy brush”. Personally, I have no use for organized religion and the last three years in this country have pushed many people farther into that same corner. But I do try to live by Christian principles, as many others do also. These radical rightwingers are not Christians; they are nothing more than trash, using religion as a tool to rally a base. People are seeing through it fast, and this is why their numbers continue to dwindle. The more they dwindle, the more panicky and desperate they become.
SOPHIA
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Wonderfully said David.
You give me hope that THERE ARE christians out there that live the word.
thanks!
Mike B
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
I’m just thankful that “Free Masons” created the United States of America, and not “Christians” or we’d be living in a christian version of Iran. The Masons were not dummies. Speaking of Masons, when are they gonna grow some balls and come out say whats rightfully true. That they, the Masons founded this great nation, and set upon each corner stone of the capital with Scottish rights. They should before it’s to late, for if the christian right revisions the history of the USA they will surely erase the Masons from it, and that would be sad.
James
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Now, I’m not at all proposing that we strap scads of these yokels to seats, a la “Clockwork Orange”, and make them watch video of the results of their insanity, like that murder of James Bird, or all the Republicans who mouth platitudes about family values, while playing footsie with people in public toilets (Democrats….don’t crow too loudly; you have your poster boys, too.), but wouldn’t it be nice if we could?
I can barely restrain a laugh at these religious nuts because it is certainly clear to me their attention spans are those of ducks, who wake up to a brand-new world, every day. The reason? How about the recent news that the head of that much-vaunted “Crystal Cathedral” has been reading from Jack Abramoff’s play book?
Dominionists aside, this mania for control on the part of a party which has long been characterized as inclined to solve problems much like a man in a rowboat, trying to kill a rat with a twelve-guage shotgun, is reaching its apogee and I fear we will, indeed, be faced with a time when extermination will be the only way to cure this ill.
I take my cue from the spectators at various Civil War battles……Lawn chair. Check. Beer. Check. Binoculars. Check. Sako finnbear 30-06. Check.
Stephen Ogley
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
I agree fully with your article except for one thing, I was always taught that a name started with a capital letter. Thus you quote Obama and not obama. So what’s with writing god instead of God when you use it as a name? Is this a new journalistic convention of which we have previously been unaware?
tracy wisneski
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
I hope I’m answering this correctly. I believe the writer did not capitalize God because he doesn’t believe there is a god, therefore, god would not be a proper noun. Even if one did believe in gods- plural- then you wouldn’t use a capital letter either since it would be like mentioning mothers as a noun and not a proper noun. However, President Obama is indeed a person and that is his title & name, so capitalization is in order.
As for the rest…AMEN!! I was raised Catholic and I’m totally okay with that. The prayers, community, and most especially the teachings about Jesus were all good. I am now spiritual and quite convinced that Jesus would overturn what The Church has become. The hate and abuse and arrogance committed in His name (yes, I will still capitalize Jesus) are so deeply wrong on every level. If there is “a” god, then surely he or she speaks every language and celebrates all love.
I am so thankful that President Obama gave a secular speech and, by doing so, did not make anyone feel excluded, except those who wish to exclude others and they deserve it!
Stephen Ogley
Dec. 3rd, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Indeed, but belief in a deity is not the issue here. I do not believe in Zeus or Hercules but I still use capital letters for their names. ‘God’ is sometimes used as a title, sometimes used as a generic description for a deity and sometimes as a name. “My god, my god, why have you forsaken me?” is using ‘god’ as a generic description where lower case is correct. But in all 11 instances in his article, Rmuse quotes God’s name and not his title or generic description.
Think of it this way, if you substitute ‘Zeus’ for ‘god’ and the sentence makes sense, you are using ‘God’ as a name, and an initial capital is called for. If you substitute ‘President’ and it makes sense then you are using ‘God’ as a title and the choice is yours whether you use capitals or lower case. Thus “he did not give thanks to or acknowledge Zeus” is just as correct linguistically as “he did not give thanks to or acknowledge god”. Similarly, “O God” and “O President” are linguistic equivalents. If, on the other hand you substitute ‘deity’ for ‘god’ and it makes sense then you are using ‘god’ as a generic description, and lower case is appropriate.
It is a mistake to think ‘god’ is always used as a title or generic description and never as a name.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
I write obama and I write god. Were I writing formally I would write Obama. If I thought there was a god I might write it God, but I doubt that a god has little time to worry about who writes his name with caps. You see, he is very busy telling all the GOP candidates to run for president. I will call him a Practical Joker though
BPI Squirrel
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 4:08 am
That is an old grammatical convention. “God” is a title, not a name, and titles are common nouns (uncapitalized) unless:
(1) The full title is given, e.g.: “Mayor of New York” or “President of the United States” (full title, proper noun, capitalized); or,
(2) The abbreviated title is attached to the name, e.g.: “Mayor Bloomberg” or “President Obama.”
Note that you would not capitalize “mayor” or “president” without the name attached, e.g.: “The mayor said …” or “The president vetoed….”
Capitalizing “God” and the pronouns “He” and “His” is a convention but not a rule when referring to the Christian god, whose name is “Jehovah” in English or “Yahweh” in Hebrew. “Allah” (which means “my god” in Arabic) is usually capitalized under the same convention.
Interesting note: among Jesus’ last words on the cross, as recorded in the Gospel of Matthew, were these: “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” (“My god, my god, why have you forsaken me?”). “Eloi” is the Aramaic version of “Allah.”
rab
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Obama’s very presence on this earth is problematic in the minds of his critics. He is an alien—not from this planet. EVERYTHING he does is wrong. Of course, what else should we expect from an intelligent, arrogant Negro with that “uppity” wife?
Jolene
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
And I’m one who is sick and tired of the religious right trying to inflict their beliefs on everyone else in this country. Good grief, Pres. Obama says “God bless the United States of America” every single time he ends a speech, but that’s not good enough for the knee-jerk Obama haters. Well screw them and their narrow-minded nightmare visions of a Dominist America. I just re-read “A Handmaid’s Tale” by Margaret Atwood, and it seems this is where the right-wing zealots are striving to drive us all. We can’t let them take away our freedom of and from religion.
Wilma Gibson
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
False Messiah: the true Messiah brings true morality by changing the heart of men False Messiah’s bring false morality
by changing society. When a civilization is controlled by the “Moral Majority” it should take care that it has not traded
the true Messiah for a false Messiah of “good works”,
The “best citizen” award will not save you, and you could be the best citizen on earth–without being a citizen of heaven
at all. False religions really could no exist without them.
I read this a long time ago can’t remember where,but wrote it down & have taken it out to read numerous times. I want
politics out of churches where Pastor’s tell their members how to vote. Jesus never attended political meetings..his messages were against the self-righteous leaders of that time. They were to busy jugding others that they missed the True
Messiah Jesus Christ.
were against the self-righteous leaders
Wilma Gibson
Nov. 26th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Jesus was against the self-righteous leaders while he was on this earth. If you were poor you were worthless in the eyes
of the religious leaders of that day. I think that is exactly what the 1% think about the poor, the working class, and all who are not in the 1%.. Jesus in my way of thinking went about seeking the down out, healing the sick, feeding the hungry, he wasn’t on this earth to line the pockets of the rich , he was here to make life better for ALL who would accept Him. The
Romans were occupying Israel @ the time Jesus was on this earth, he didn’t rail at the Romans, He was against the self-righteous religious leaders. I believe in separation of church and state. Jesus said to render to Ceasar the things of Ceasar,and to render to God the thing of God. That means the 1% are to pay their share of the tax burden, and I
pay my tithes to the church. We paid our taxes to our government while working.
Eileen Ciancaglini
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 12:22 am
There is no pleasin these zealots. If Obama stood on his head and recited the ‘Act of Contrition,” they would criticise that, just as vigorously.
Mikecfly
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 7:26 am
I can think of a dozens of things to criticize about and they choose God.
If there is a God, he’s long forgotten the people, just like our politicians.
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 9:12 am
To be sure, given the number of politicians that say god made them run, god must be the god of politicians and not the people
ed-words
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Rock Beyond Belief Fort Bragg March 31,2012
“God” will be mentioned (sort of).
ian
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 9:47 am
They are an odd sort of Christian. They aren’t about faith, hope, and charity. They are banking on fear, hate, and greed.
freeportguy
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 9:58 am
I just wish Republicans spoke less about God AND acted more in accordance with his teaching…
earthman
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Dominionists are the Christian Taliban. They will not be satisfied until they become the despots that rule everyone’s personal life.
prddem
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 10:43 am
God, my “God”, your “God”, anybody’s “God” is being USED by the far right Republican machine to their shame. It is disgraceful and dishonorable and disrespectful to continue to hate the unemployed for asking for help; to hate the people who Occupy Wall St(s) to bring attention to the expanse between the haves and have-nots. What “God” in his right mind could follow those tenents?
boil
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 10:44 am
when i see these jesus licking fools stop building their multi million dollar golden palace churchs that serve no one but their own kind, and get out in the street on a full time basis washing the feet of the poor, spreading their wealth into helping their ‘fellow’ man, [you know the REAl christ lessons...] then i will join that cult…. but as long as i see these foxbots driving into the mega church in their benz’, and think because they can wave their hands in the air like they just dont care, and think its salvation…. well you know the rest………
just read the ‘jefferson bible’ to understand how the founding fathers really felt about these bible thumpers………
as promised
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 11:05 am
One of my favourite aspects of Thanksgiving is that is it NOT a religious occasion/holiday! It is simply a time for reflective appreciation of what we ‘do’ have. We have Thanksgiving in Canada too and it sure as he-L-L ain’t no religious occasion. I think we’re mostly thankful that we don’t have all the fundamental religious wingnuts that the US is burdened with. :D
I even cringe hearing the President say “God Bless America” at the end of every speech. Did you know that wasn’t in vogue until Reagan? Even Kennedy the *gasp* Catholic never invoked god’s name.
Ross
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
You know as much as I refuse to believe without proof that the earth and for that matter, everything right down to the last little atom suddenly sprung from some guys fingertips, (let’s not even get into the fact it has to be a man as opposed to a woman) I SO hope that he returns one day as the whack jobs prophesize, because if he does, he gonna be REALLY pissed off at the people he “supposedly” left behind to spread his word and way of life. The current crop of idiots spouting his “word” are so far from what the original ideals were about that it’s absolutely ludicrous. The first ones that are gonna be sent on a fiery plunge are the ones perverting the idea for their own gain. Yes, that’s right I’m talking to you, the church. What a load of crap. I find it most ironic that the church always espouses tolerance towards others and yet it is they and not the so called “atheists” who can’t let others just go about their business and believe what they want. You rarely find the “atheists” pushing THEIR beliefs on others at street corners or knocking on your door at random to spread the “Word”. Give me a break.
Reynardine
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Damn right. God is coming, and is She pissed!
Chris
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Finally we are addressing the things that actually matter.. Sorry but religion isn’t important to everyone and if our president can actually see this then damn what the Christians think. Everyone should have the right to believe in what they want but to be outraged because it wasn’t addressed during a speech of thanking those that are actually physically present and doing something is ridiculous… Some of us don’t believe in the magic cloud man and if you do that’s fine, it is your right and I wont tell you not to do so..
But how dare you be hypocrites and get angry over what someone else leaves out of their speech.. As Christians you have no right to impose your beliefs on anyone else and if you weren’t mentioned then boo hoo cry me a fucking river… Go back and relearn what it means to be a Christian because getting angry over someone not thanking God and Other Christians in a speech is hypocritical to your very own beliefs!
marpwv18
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
In seeking the restoration of our Democracy, it is imperative respect the differences between Evangelical Christians and Christian Fundamentalists on the one hand, and the “Christian Right” on the other. Failure to respect
these differences would potentially drive would-be political allies into the embrace of a dangerous political foe, and only serve to strengthen it.
We MUST NOT allow this to happen!
Evangelicals and Christian Fundamentalists believe that the Bible is the literal word of God. This informs their beliefs regarding political hot-button issues such as evolution, abortion, homosexuality and gay marriage. They routinely speak out against government policies that conflict with their beliefs, which is their right, and generally recognize that one’s spiritual beliefs are a matter of personal choice. Although I am not a member of one of these faith communities, I believe that Conservative Christianity, including Fundamentalism, represents a force for good and contributes to the richness and diversity of American spiritual life.
On the other hand, the political movement referred to as the Christian Right appears to me to hold in contempt not only non-believers and people of other faiths, but mainstream Christians as well. In my opinion, the Christian Right constitutes a significant threat to our democracy, and a destructive force in American life in general.
My views regarding the Religious Right are my personal opinions only, and
should not be interpreted as statements of fact on my part. I am reluctant
to say more regarding the Christian Right without proper citation of sources. To better understand the Religious Right, you will find Wikipedia
and the following links useful:
George Bush and the Rise of Christian Fascism
Rev. Rich Lang
Trinity United Methodist Church Seattle, March 8, 2004
www.chalicebridge.com/OnC...
The Christian Right and the Rise of American Fascism
by Chris Hedges,
November 15,2004
www.thirdworldtraveler.co...
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Not to argue Reverend, and with respect, but I think there are factions of the conservative right and Fundamentalists have taken a deep hard right turn down the rabbit hole. And in my mind both constitute a threat. However neither group in my thinking includes the “normal everyday Christian person at this time. However the regular everyday christian is in danger if their leadership doesn’t do its job of informing them.
I hope my use of normal everyday christian is not offensive, It is not meant to be so.
marpwv18
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
The rabbit hole IS the radical movement as I see it. But not all Evangelicals and Fundamentalists have taken that turn, and some might consider voting with “normal everyday Christians” and heathens like myself on a Constitutional Amendment for campaign finance reform or to end corporate personhood. It would be unfortunate if we drove them down the rabbit instead. That is ALL the “Reverend” was trying to say, but these labels can be traps.
karen teegarden
Nov. 27th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
President Obama is not the only President who has had no reference to God in his Thanksgiving Proclamation. Here’s just one example. You people need to get a life!
www.presidency.ucsb.edu/w...
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Srikar
Nov. 28th, 2011 at 5:44 am
Well I was hurt all these years that the US presidents never thanked the Flying Sphagetti Monster too. I hate president Obama. he had the audacity to not thank a non-existing entity.
RS, CA
Nov. 28th, 2011 at 9:07 am
REALLY? Obama can give publicity to a turkey but cannot mention the word “god”? What is wrong with you people? Acknowledging a higher being gives you cramps? No wonder this country is in trouble!
Shiva (Moderator)
Nov. 28th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Out of curiosity, what is the purpose or reason that he should have to do that? Does he have to mention god in every speech? Today is Thursday does he have to thank god that is Thursday? Why would you force him to say what you want him to say?
I seriously doubt that Obama not mentioning god causes this country to be in trouble. In fact if you look around you and see some of the people such as the New Apostolic Reformation and the American Family Association, the Less we mention god the better off we will all be. By the Way, Sarah Palin did not mention god in her Thanksgiving speech. Shall we nail her to the cross?
coach1640280
Dec. 1st, 2011 at 1:24 am
Obama cannot even enjoy Thanksgiving without giving a speech.
When does his job end? Critics everywhere.
POTUS is the worst job on the planet.
We’re lucky anyone even runs for the job.
I’m not holding Obama for another 4 years.
He’d be advised to give the second 4 years to Hillary to manage.
We wear out our leaders wayyyyy too rapidly.
Why is that?