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Oops: Michigan Republicans Have Passed a Right to Work Law that may be Impossible to Implement
Did Michigan Republicans even read the ALEC-Koch “Right-to-Work” legislation they just passed?
It doesn’t appear likely. Why? Because the law may not be able to be implemented as intended.
Just as the Wisconsin law violated their state constitution, so it appears the Michigan law does the same, albeit for different reasons. In addition to the violation of the state constitution, just as in Wisconsin, we also have a lawsuit filed over the violation of the Michigan Open Meetings law. But to the constitutional issue…
Michigan Senate Democrats report, “The Michigan Constitution gives clear authority to the Civil Service Commission over conditions of employment for the state’s workforce. Experts have suggested today only a vote of the Civil Service Commission could enact Right to Work policies for state workers.”
Oopsie.
This is the sort of thing that happens when a national organization is writing your legislation for you. But one assumes that the big boys at ALEC did not count on the uber laziness of the Republicans. Surely they were meant to fine tune the bill to suit their state. But then, when you shove a bill through in a lameduck session and don’t hold it open for debate, these things tend to happen.
Senator Bert Johnson (D – Detroit) pointed out that not only the public, but also the lawmakers were not given a chance to read the bills, “The public was not given an opportunity to read these bills, legislators were not given an opportunity to read these bills, and we now know that the Governor himself either didn’t read or didn’t understand these bills himself. This process has been a complete affront to Democracy from the start and was nothing more than a political gift to the Koch Brothers and ALEC who bought and paid for this legislation.”
Over and over again, we see Republicans violating the law to pass ALEC legislation, and we also see them refusing to even read the bills they present let alone the bills of the opposition. What, exactly, are they being paid by the people to do, if not read and write legislation that actually fits the laws?
The same law that Governor Walker passed in violation of Open Meetings laws and in violation of the state constitution was struck down by the courts in September. The millions wasted on passing legislation illegally and fighting it in courts speaks to the seriousness of Republicans when they talk about deficits. There’s always money to enact a political agenda aimed at the opposition party, but there’s no money for starving kids.
Further irony is provided by Michigan State Rep. Lisa Posthumus Lyons (R-Alto), who called the passage of the “right-to-work” law “freeing” the workers. Apparently Ms. Lyons didn’t want her husband freed. He is a corrections officer and Ms. Lyons fought to have corrections officers exempted from the law. She explained, “When we talk about the brave women in police and fire we need to remember people in corrections. These guys work in conditions that we can’t even begin to imagine. It’s not financial. It’s philosophy. I am saying we need to treat our corrections officers that way we treat our police men and women and firefighter men and women.”
So, Ms. Lyons believes that we should treat our corrections officers (like her husband) the way we treat our police and firefighters, which she implies is better than we treat the other workers, because they work in tough conditions and therefor deserve or have earned the right to be treated better. And yet, she calls denying the right to collectively bargain freedom. What we have here is an admission by a Republican that when it comes to their own personal lives, they’ll take the union, please. No doubt Ms. Lyons is familiar with all that the union does to protect her husband. If she’s lucky, the law she supported will be struck down.
Ms. Lyon’s amendment was not taken up by the Michigan legislature, but then, seeing as they appear not to have read the actual bill they passed, she should take heart that it wasn’t personal. ALEC doesn’t recognize corrections officers as worthy; aka, voting Republican.
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75 Responses to Oops: Michigan Republicans Have Passed a Right to Work Law that may be Impossible to Implement
Nic
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
How is it even legal that they can pass a bill without reading it? It should be a question that is asked to every individual law maker before every state and federal bill is voted on, “Have you read the bill as presented before you?” And they must answer yes or no and perjury can be levied against you if you lie.
Daniel Etherington
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Sounds like the way obamacare was passed. I myself don’t like the way this bill was passed.
Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Except for the fact that representatives had almost a year for the reps find out what was in Obamacare
Anne
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Actually, the president discussed the health care bill at great length with Congressional Republicans and even invited their active participation. But because they were invested in seeing him fail, they did all they could to thwart him. So, your comparison of his actions with those of Rick Snyder amounts to a flagrantly false equivalency. No one, but no one, overreaches like Republicans when they gain power.
Daniel Etherington
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
I disagree Anne, both parties are the same, all they care about is the party line and making their party stronger
SickupandFed
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 7:26 am
The stupid, it burns.
That war is over, and you lost. Moron.
William Kostric
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Yup
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Rick Shreiner
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
This is actually a case reminiscent of when [followig the 2010 mid-term elections] the TEAtards demanded that EVERY federal law passing the halls of Congress include documentation of how it was supported by the Constitution.
First in Wisconsin, and now Michigan, it would appear that TEAtard failure to enforce at the state level those standards they demanded of legislators at the federal level, is coming back to bite them in their silly little a$$es .. ..
One might wonder just how VERY COSTLY these mistakes turn out to be for [self-proclaimed] “fiscally responsible” TEAtards.
Daniel Etherington
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
I guess I should have made it clear, it is the way the RTW bill being passed that I don’t agree with. Something this big SHOULD be voted on by the citizens of Michigan. But still it,was the speaker of the house Nancy Pelosi that said something like ” if you want to know,what’s in it, vote on it then read it”
Ted Powell
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
“I guess I should have made it clear”
You aren’t helping yourself with all the misplaced punctuation.
Could it be that Pelosi actually said:
“if you want to (a) know what’s in it, [and] (b) vote on it, then read it”
Daniel Etherington
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Sorry but my I-pad only has one choice for quotation marks and I accidentally hit a comma. And since I did not have the exact quote I said “something like” excuse me for that
Ted Powell
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
But I did not question your recollection of Pelosi’s words. In fact, I copy/pasted them in writing my reply, before changing the punctuation. But you punctuated her words to make it sound like she had said to “vote on it then read it” (again, this was copy/pasted from your post, this time with no change to the punctuation).
In view of your stated perception elsewhere in this thread that “both parties are the same” it’s unlikely that any more detailed explanation would be worth my time.
Daniel Etherington
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Use my exact quote please ” both parties are the same, all they care about is the party line and making their party stronger”
Moongal6
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
It’s sooooo easy when you omit the complete quote, isn’t it?
“you have to read the bill to see what’s in it, AWAY FROM THE FOG OF CONTROVERSY”.
Sorry to yell.
I think out of all the political quotes misstated, that one makes me the most angry.
BTW, the PPACA was available for anyone to read, MONTHS before it was passed. And, if you didn’t want to read it, C-SPAN had it on their website, in audio form and people read it to you, word for word.
Daniel Etherington
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Can tou tell me what her exact wors were. If I am wrong then I apologize, I am just going by the clip I saw on my local nes
Daniel Etherington
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Sorry words*
Merrily Snider
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 2:05 am
The entire quote from Nancy Pelosi, previously the so-called 16 words – was actually: “You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.”
This comment was bastardized by Fox News and it just got a life of its own. It is reminiscent of Mitt Romney saying that President Obama took “work” out of the “welfare bill”! If you heard the original quote – which I did – you would have known that Fox had taken it out of context – President Obama never said he took “work” out of “welfare” but, it made for good media. And, remember the familiar line about “you didn’t build that”? Another one of Fox and Mitt’s ability to take something out of context and getting away with it. Evidently, it didn’t fly with many people because Mitt lost!
Redshift
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
This quote is a common right-wing myth. Pelosi said “we have to pass the bill so *you* can find out what’s in it.” She was talking about the public understanding what was actually in it (which wouldn’t be definite until it was passed), not about legislators finding out what was in it.
NASCARlady
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
You all are saying the Republicans were filled in on what was in it. Maybe they should’ve let the Democrats in on it, as they are whining about the Medical equipment tax they said they didn’t know about. LOL
Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
The reps had a year to read it if they chose to. If they didnt they didnt. But none can honestly say they never had a chance
Frank
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 2:30 am
I’m not surprized that the legislators did not read the “right to work” bill…sounds just like what happened with “ObaamaCare”…now…even the Dems who voted for it…are having second thoughts!
Pete
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
“Senator Bert Johnson (D – Detroit) pointed out that not only the public, but also the lawmakers were not given a chance to read the bills, “The public was not given an opportunity to read these bills, legislators were not given an opportunity to read these bills, and we now know that the Governor himself either didn’t read or didn’t understand these bills himself. This process has been a complete affront to Democracy from the start…”
Wow…kind of like…Obamacare
Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Except for one very minor point. The congress had a year to read Obamacare before it was approved. ANyone who said they didnt read it had the chance and didnt do it.
Vita
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Even though what you are saying has been debunked like five times on this page, you STILL insist on lying.
Republican mantra: Lie, lie, lie, when you’re caught, lie harder.
No wonder the fascist right has such a brain drain!
Harold P. Donle (Butch)
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Only one person read the Patriot Act and that person voted against it.
Sam
Dec. 15th, 2012 at 9:49 am
They Repubs don’t read anything because they vote in lock-step.
goldcoater
Dec. 16th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Again, the Republicans prove their idiots. If only they could keep their mouths shut. They would look far more intelligent if they just didn’t speak!
William Kostric
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
“Again, the Republicans prove their idiots.”
How embarrassing for goldcoater..
Brandon Childs
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
I know right. Every single person read the Obamacare bill before they passed it and that turned out really great for the American people right? RIGHT!?
Shiva (Moderator)
Dec. 19th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Yes Obamacare is turning out great. It has cut fraud by billions. It has cut seniors payments on drugs over 90 billion just last year.Children and women(and men) cant lose their insurance because they get sick. These are things you want to go back to. Higher payments and less people on insurance
But those are things you are not told.
Reynardine
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
If ALEC could be found to be an insurrectionist government, we might have a truly interesting legal situation.
Shazbat
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 3:39 am
Reynardine, along those lines, please consider this man’s legal analysis:
www.facebook.com/notes/da...
DowneastDiva
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Sweet justice. :)
DownriverDem
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
There is a God. Please Dems make us proud of Michigan again.
Sam
Dec. 15th, 2012 at 9:53 am
We’re proud of Michigan, they rejected Romney for us, the majority voted for our guy President Obama. It’s their Repubs we don’t like.
Shane
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
What is the big deal??? Those that are union members in the state of Michigan make up 17.5% of the total number Of workers in the state of Michigan. Why are we worried about this small number?
" Mark... the educator "
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Uh….duh, non union employers have to compete with the unions with wages and benefits, therefore driving the wages up for EVERY hard working middle class americans….THIS IS A HUGE DEAL !!!! GET A CLUE …
Whata Toolsack
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Thank you for highlighting the problem of ignorance in this country. Now, move along, please…
lowmax1313
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Well if this DOES turn out to be the case (and hopefully it will) then Democrats not only in Michigan but elsewhere better become more vigilant against further attempts to destroy union rights and de-fund the Democratic Party. Because they WILL be coming …the Koch Bros.,Adelson and others of their ilk will not cease in the efforts to gain full control of out govt.THEY MUST BE STOPPED
Inez
Dec. 15th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
i have been complaining about the koch brothers for almost a year. look at wisconsin and walker bought. &paid for by the kb, as well as the entire legislative body. with the numerous companies that they own they are consiste pollutors, because they can afford the fine$……. check out all of the busine$$ they own….you’ll be floored.
djchefron
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Didn’t little grover norquist state”We don’t need a leader only someone with enough digits to sign what we put in front of them”And that my friends is the republican party in a nutshell.Spineless idiotic cowards all of them.From the chairman to the brainless marks who vote for them.
Dog Gone at Penigma
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Why would anyone read the legislation?
They aren’t being bribed to think! They are being bribed to do as they are told, through ALEC and whatever other substitute more hidden avenues they have sought out, now that 48 corporations have bailed on ALEC after the attention they received for shoot first, RTW, etc.
It is ironic that some of the most well-regarded research that shows a 56% increase in occupational fatalities in conjunction with right to work laws was done at…….wait for it! …..the University of Michigan. Want to bet none of the legislators or the governor read any of those studies any more than the actual legislation?
You have to expect that when everything is done behind locked doors, without hearings, without committee meetings, without input, and where no one has time to read the legislation, there has to be something really dirty at the bottom of it all.
Nice post Sarah! Happy holidays to you and yours from us at penigma.blogspot.com.
Rosie Gildenstern
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Why does this remind me of the way goppers and TP characters howled a couple of years ago about congresspeople not reading the Obamacare legislation?
djchefron
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
I think they never grasp the concept of Reading is Fundamental. SMDH
Thomas Johnson
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Who can forget the point John Stewart made when he had the NJ gov on his show: when it affects repugs it is critical, when it affects others it is superfluous. So, for Ms Lyons, if it affects corrections officers then that is critical while other unions can go pound sand. The denigration of the social contract is just sad.
Tom Leist
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Sounds a little like Obamacare, they never read that piece of garbage either, now we can’t afford it, and 62% of the people don’t want it.
djchefron
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
We cant afford to get healthcare cost under control?This right here is the ignorance that needs to be stamped out like a infestation of the crabs.
Andrea
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Well, Tom, you’ve had a couple years now. Have YOU read it? Or are you just repeating the familiar (and by now very, very tired) complaint?
Andrew Norton
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 12:20 am
You didn’t read it?
Funny, I’d read it all the way through before it even left committee.
It’s not hard to do, unless you have a bill, like this one, or the Patriot Act, that only has a few days from introduction/publication until being signed into law (And if you didn’t know, the USA PATRIOT Act – a contender in the most ironically named bill competition – was 3 days from introduction to signing. Congressmen were literally given 6 hours to read the entire bill, and sleep)
C
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 2:08 am
you had time to read a full 11,000 page bill before it was even brought to the full congress? Yea…. riiiight. you may have looked at the version that obama put up on his site, which was just over 50 pages, less than 1-200th of the bill that went through congress to be voted on. and the media let you believe it.
the same media who has failed to mention a bombing at a social security office during this very week or that protests against the new Egyptian president are already getting broken up by masked gunmen, among a myriad of other things.
A Walkaway
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
If you’re talking about the health insurance reform bill, you obviously have ignored or not heard the rest of the story.
From what I’ve read, the “11,000 pages” was done by putting extra lines between each sentence AND typing it in a large font (so it was only a couple of sentences worth of words per page).
Rather easy to turn a couple of hundred pages or less into a monster like that.
It would also be very difficult to read and follow – another bullshit claim by Republicans.
smarterboy09
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Can you imagine if these idiot republicans were in the private sector, and they performed in their corporate jobs the way they perform as legislators? They’d all be summarily fired. It’s just too bad that republican voters have to be the most ignorant, forgiving bosses on the planet –
djchefron
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Please!!We live in a society rewards failure.I submit into evidence exhibit A:The financial incompetence of Wall Street and their partners in crime the big banks.
A Walkaway
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
You haven’t been around some of the businesses I have.
One of my customers (back when I had my own business) sold his machine shop to an “investment company”. The manager they sent in to run the place was so ignorant that he was demanding people do things with equipment that wasn’t possible (while the next machine over was DESIGNED to do that job – he didn’t want them to use it), and he fired two machinists who tried to tell him it was almost impossible, and the only way it COULD be done would take far longer per piece than he’d allowed for the entire job.
The place went belly-up, and about 100 people lost their jobs (they came to hate working there anyway).
(For those who are curious – he wanted them to drill complex bolt hole patterns on a CNC lathe, but he’d assigned other work for their vertical machining center [cutting a o-ring groove in a round fitting as I remember] and insisted that the machinists were just too lazy to do their job).
He was one of those “My way or the Highway!” types.
galactusx
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
God rid the land of these lazy,stupid and greedy ass republicans! A worse bunch of Kochsuckers these assholes are!
djchefron
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
I know we have been scratching our heads trying to figure out rethuglican.By the love of the flying spaghetti monster I have tried so hard that I am Turing grey.Then while surfing the intertubes I came across a article that if true explain it.Click the link and decide ,do you want the red pill or the blue pill
Whoa: Physicists testing to see if universe is a computer simulation
news.yahoo.com/blogs/side...
Shazbat
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 3:34 am
dchefron! You’re on to something! Problem is, for this crew of lame dicks, er, ducks, they would deny its truth as work of Antichrist.
Gray
Dec. 13th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
What Republicans do is not the real problem when you think about it. It is their nature to believe that what they believe is correct, so they are just keeping the rest of us from getting it wrong.
The best way to keep you from dropping the ball is not to let you play the game. So they get their sheep all bleating “We want the government to get their damn hands off everyone’s money!” “You are taxed enough already!”, especially since we are about to repeal the minimum wage and take your money away before they can tax it, saving you even more on taxes! You’re welcome.
grapefan
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 2:40 am
Hopefully the general public and indepenant voters will begin to pay attention to these types of political tactics. Republicans campaign with the old slogans of bringing jobs, God and family. What they actually mean is, we keep our jobs, we transfer all public works to private organizations that we are (blind trust, yea right) invested in and then we get to use the capital gains tax and we can blame the lazy poor for all of the sates or nations problems.
Hopefully…. the voters will begin to rid themselves of these types of politicians. Not a good idea to privitise govt work, it isnt going to be successful as a program, it leads to corruption and even more money changing hands through the lobbyists.
Time to get our states and the nation on then correct path, and if these so called “job creators” want to close or lay off employees, stop purchasing from them, see if they can sustain their business without the help of the consumers, the people, like us, that pay for the products so they can be successful.
I can NEVER vote for a republican politician again, ever.
Hopefully 80% of the country will soon feel this way too.
A Walkaway
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 11:31 am
I was a Republican until around age 44, and became a Democrat at age 47.
I now am ashamed of my stupidity and foolishness, and yes, the things I thought were good back then (especially when I was REALLY brainwashed and still active supporter of a mainstream church) came back to bite me in the ass.
Jason Roder
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Props to you for managing to walk away. Not many succeed.
Bliss Street
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Is this who you elected?
The Legislative conference known as ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) is very much funded by, and is very important to, the Koch Brothers, the multimillionaire duo who seem to be tugging on conservative heartstrings everywhere. Evidence abounds that a great deal of the legislation that comes out of the ALEC conference is written by corporate lobbyists, with tight affiliations with the Brothers.
Hundreds of ALEC-written laws are passed in state houses every year, and very often, the legislators themselves don’t actually realize who wrote them.This written up legislation then gets taken verbatim over to the various state houses, where the ALEC-attending R’s vote for it, and the D’s vote nay. Depending on your state house, if the R’s are in the majority, then the legislation passes. That’s happening in a lot of states.
When it passes, it then becomes the law. Only, these representatives didn’t create the law, they only passed it. They didn’t write the law, they only voted for it. Is it conceivable they didn’t even read it?
So, here’s my question. Did you elect the Koch Brothers to represent you? Perhaps you did. Maybe not by name, but everytime you vote for one of these representatives, (most democrats don’t attend this conference, they go to the NCSL, fyi) , it’s just as if the Brothers were on the ballot. But, they’re not on the ballot. So, how can they be having their self serving legislation passed into law all over the country, when nobody voted for them?
Now, the key thing here, is, it shouldn’t matter whose side you are on in the debates that are raging. It shouldn’t matter whose side the Koch Brothers are on. It doesn’t matter whether you agree with them or not, or if you agree with my other thoughts on politics or not.
This should not be happening. It’s not right, it’s not democratic. No one voted for them. They shouldn’t be allowed to power play our democracy…
Jessica Smith
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 5:43 am
RTW is bad for everyone. VW and Kia were never going to come to Michigan union or not. They talk about us losing those jobs to Georgia and Tennessee and it’s just not true. There is not one study out there that shows RTW improves the quality of life. However there are many studies to prove that if you are not a white male you make less money without as union.
A Walkaway
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Right to work in this area means that the employer (especially in lower-wage industries) often thinks they have the right to treat their people however they want, UP TO AND INCLUDING PHYSICAL BEATINGS.
I have the scar to show for it.
(Thanks to the goddamned churches, I did nothing about it and soon couldn’t – the company folded shortly after I finally left – about the same time I walked.)
Ann
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 9:58 am
ALEC is at it again. Stand Your Ground, Right To Work, what else? Grover Norquist No Tax Hikes and the Debt Ceiling which pays the bills we said we would pay. What else are we going to allow our politicians to honor, before honoring our contract with them for electing them and the pledge they took to uphold the Constitution?
I feel overwhelmed by the amount of bullsh!t we are being forced to endure and fight through because of the traitor republicans.
The Republican governors of these states must be replace with moderates or Dems. The state houses must be cleared of the republican stronghold. We must return to democracy, before we lose our right to vote as they gerrymandered the districts that keep the state red.
Grayfox007
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Ok, you have the right to work for less and less. Let’s have a Coke (Koch) & tell my Coke(Koch) brother, wow it sounds like drugs. Are you refreshed yet, so you can work for less but you cannot organize, maybe the collective brains may realize you are just ripping them off and making them total economic slaves, I though slavery was band in the country after the Civil War, but now we are fighting the Economic war and the Reps have changed side, they want the slavery of all to the 2% rich, I guess the Aristocrats have arisen from their graves again, if they do not realize that we will not take it anymore, there will be a revolt of the masses, so wake your supposed brains up and get into the 21st century and see we are not peasant who will sit and take your bologna, at least not for long. Remember the French revolution, “off with their heads”. Hunter
Brian Loudermilch
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
They DON’T read the Legislation because they
CAN’T read anything. That’s one of the Benefits of Home Schooling.
So what if they Piss Away a few Million of the Taxpayers Money in Court.
If they don’t spend the Money in Court, those Silly
Taxpayers will just Waste the Money on Public Schools, Police, the Fire Dept, Bridge Repairs,
Sewer Repairs, The Fresh water supply, and the Grid.
Or as Some of US refer to it, “Civilization”.
Victoria Smith
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
It’s almost as if someone had a gun to their heads.
A Walkaway
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Maybe a figurative gun?
If they’re like the usual “Good Christian”, they are hypocritical to the max and have their own “secret sins” (like those types like to rant about but never admit to). You probably know the type – e.g. the ones ranting against LGBT people but ignoring the strictures against adultery.
Maybe the damned Koch brothers have gotten the “smoking gun” and is using that over them?
Nah. They’re that unethical and greedy to pass laws like that… and obey the Koch (and like ilk) willingly for a few bucks more.
Inez
Dec. 15th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
have you ever heards of “selling your soul to the devil”? that’s the answer!
Oosik
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
str8frm
” What we have here is an admission by a Republican that when it comes to their own personal lives, they’ll take the union, please. No doubt Ms. Lyons is familiar with all that the union does to protect her husband.”
I have been reading several reports of union busting GOP legislators have significant links to the benefits that unions strive to insure. I ask, is it willful
their ignorance?
Inez
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Once again the Republicans are showing that ignorance of the law is no excuse. TheKochnuts have to realize that THEY do not always get their way, no matter how many puppets are pulling the strings. I love another defeat for the Kochs. Let’s keep beating them down. Millions spent on Mittshit and putting their candidates(puppets) in office are a pox upon this country.
David W. King
Dec. 14th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Surely this was meant as satire. This cannot be real. As a Michigan resident all of my life, although I haven’t always been a union employee, I was outraged that this party would undermine the people’s rights to collective bargaining and would take another swipe at the middle class. When will this news break into the mainstream media?
Inez
Dec. 15th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
when the majority of local, state and national office holders are democrats, they are the party of the people…….those voting for republicans are living in the lala land of the wealthy.
David W. King
Dec. 16th, 2012 at 5:54 am
@Inez, the elected Congressmen are the wealthy. 47% of Congress Members Millionaires — a Status Shared by Only 1% of Americans. Whose rights do you think they would protect. For the most part, many of them are proving self-serving.
“About 47 percent of Congress, or 249 current members are millionaires. … In 2010, the estimated median net worth of a current U.S. senator stood at an average of $2.56 million,” according to the Center’s research.
“Despite the global economic meltdown in 2008 and the sluggish recovery that followed, that’s up about 7.6 percent from an estimated median net worth of $2.38 million in 2009 … and up 13 percent from a median net worth of $2.27 million in 2008. … Fully 36 Senate Democrats, and 30 Senate Republicans reported an average net worth in excess of $1 million in 2010. The same was true for 110 House Republicans and 73 House Democrats.”