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From the Pulpit Comes a Call For a Gay and Lesbian Final Solution
It seems that Amendment 1 isn’t enough for some people in North Carolina. They aren’t willing to simply live with denying gays and lesbians any official recognition of their relationship.
During a sermon in response to the President’s announcement that he supports same sex marriage, Pastor Charles L. Morely said that he wants to kill off gays and lesbians.
According to the Huffington Post, among other things, the Pastor said the following:
“Build a great, big, large fence — 150 or 100 mile long — put all the lesbians in there,”
And here’s the really compassionate part of his “sermon”:
Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can’t get out…and you know what, in a few years, they’ll die out…do you know why? They can’t reproduce!
Assuming you haven’t eaten recently, watch this “sermon” here.
“Containing” a target group of people, and perhaps dropping them the occasion tidbits of food invokes anything but compassion or the sort of values one associates with Christianity.
It’s one thing to disagree with the President’s support for same sex marriages, but quite another to advocate what amounts to the extermination of an identifiable group.
According to the great Christian Pastor, this proposal that sounds a lot like a “final solution” is justifiable because it will mean that gays and lesbians can’t reproduce. The logical extension of that thinking is too horrific to imagine.
The pastor also said: “It makes me pukin’ sick to think about– I don’t even whether or not to say this in the pulpit — can you imagine kissing some man?”
This words of this so called pastor, who professes to be a Christian, make me pukin’ sick.
It’s one thing to disagree with recognizing same sex marriage, but advocating– there is no other word, Godwin’s Law be damned – the extermination of people because of who they are invokes the very things we fought against in World War II. This man wants to establish something akin to a concentration camp for gays and lesbians, with the hope that they will die. As much as one may wish to resist invoking reminders of Hitler and his regime, there simply is no way around it.
Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.
Unfortunately, it’s not a huge leap to go from sustained, prolonged and irresponsible hate speech to calling for the extermination of the targeted group of people. We can be outraged, but hardly surprised. They defended the hate speech even as it led to bullying and too often, the suicide of young people. Now it’s lead to a direct call for the death of the targeted group. The question is, where will it end?
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51 Responses to From the Pulpit Comes a Call For a Gay and Lesbian Final Solution
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Mitchell S. Gilbert
May. 21st, 2012 at 7:03 pm
“How To Get Rid of all the Lesbians, Queers & Homosexuals” wp.me/p1Jt6N-Fa
Shiva (Moderator)
May. 21st, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Doc its ok to advertise your site here, but you might want to comment on the authors article as well. Kind of make it mutual
Sally
May. 21st, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Sickening. And there was Bachmann two years ago, all worried that President Obama was planning to put young people in re-edcuation camps, whatever that was supposed to be. And here is this ‘man of God’ calling for the death of homosexuals. I certainly hope some compassionate, rational people left that sermon and his ‘church’ of hate. And these people pay no taxes for preaching this stuff either.
Rebecca Eaton
May. 21st, 2012 at 7:24 pm
As long as the conservatives believe that 1) it’s a choice and 2) the verse about men lying with men is the only law to be obeyed in Leviticus, it won’t end.
For that pastor to say “Can you imagine kissing some man?” Methinks he doth protest too much. In our family, the men hug AND kiss one another. Do you think that when Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss in the Garden of Gethsemane, the thing that upset Jesus the most was that he got kissed by a guy?
Incidentally – Jesus said NOTHING about homosexuals. I’ve already read a blog from a fundamentalist woman where she has inserted the word “homosexuals” into Paul’s letter to the Corinthians. None of the translations available on Bible Gateway (King James, Revised Standard, New International, Living Bible) features that word. So, you see? As long as they can insert words to meet their needs, and people are too lazy to research for themselves…. it isn’t going to end. And that is a tragedy.
A Walkaway
May. 21st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Have you heard… Peter Wagner has proclaimed that they can add to the Bible, as long as it doesn’t contradict any other scriptures?
( www.talk2action.org/story... )
The woman you mentioned is just doing what their top people says is OK.
SinghX
May. 22nd, 2012 at 8:30 am
C.Wagner has a long history of inciting all kinds of “devilish” antics as he is the “dog whisperer” of the radical fundamentalist movement. He “whispers” in the ear of his followers all kinds of subliminal, covert messages that he’s the new leader of the Christian Nation, that Jesus speaks directly to him; that he and a few of is chosen hence men (and women) are apostles reincarnated…
That is how the justify their relationships with people like Todd Bentley, the Saddleback Megachurch. Ted Haggard, et al. He pulls all the strings.
It has been said that he and his band of Jesus Warriors (of which he is General)has an actual “war room” where they have mapped out the USA by neighborhoods…and don’t pretend you don’t know why if you’re LBGT, of color or “the other” faith…
A Walkaway
May. 22nd, 2012 at 10:00 am
Yeah… the spiritual mapping project.
I think it’s actually in Colorado Springs, and they make use of GIS (Geographic Information Systems) and things like that – record keeping stuff that is very powerful and useful if they decide they want to purge the country of those they call evil. (It really grieves and pisses me off that these very effective tools are being used for such evil purposes!)
We’ve known for many years that the dominionist churches keep records… there has been evidence that they even keep records of things “confessed” to their “ministers” for later use against the person. I’d sure love to get hold of my “record”… with all the things they’ve done to us, it might prove a valuable piece of evidence against them.
They record where non-”Christians” live, where LGBT people live, who opposes them on their political crap, and so on. If they can get it they even have things like who has had an abortion and who was “living in sin” (their terminology). They also have been known to keep records of people who have higher degrees, for instance in the social sciences which disproves their nonsense.
Think about “enemies lists” and you’ve got it.
You combine that with their penchant for things like “spiritual warfare” – calling down harm and curses on the people they don’t like, which is usually accompanied with attempts to bring about the harm they “pray” for, and it gets pretty ugly. (We’ve caught them sneaking onto our property with oil-covered hands – an attempt to “hex” our vehicles and home. I won’t mention the actual harm they’ve done which I’ve discussed in other threads.)
robyn ryan
May. 22nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
Notice all the people in the seats behind him? He doesn’t even have a choir to preach to.
Darcie moulton
May. 22nd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Please, do not put all conservatives in the same catagory! I am very conserative but believe all people are created equal. I believe all committed people deserve to be married, if that is the road they choose. I feel this man of the church is a complete fool and should be put out to pasture. Fools rush in were wisemen never go! In the long run he will get his, they always do!
A Walkaway
May. 22nd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
I wish that were true. The fact is, they rarely do.
At worst they get handed a small set-back, wail about their sins and get “treated” by their church, then back in the saddle to hurt more people.
A Walkaway
May. 21st, 2012 at 7:37 pm
This sort of talk has been going on for years, albeit a little quieter in volume.
The last time we set foot in an Episcopal church, we heard this stuff (advocacy of murdering gay people by stoning them in that instance). That and the support of “Intelligent Design” were the last straw and we walked out never to return.
Language like that has been reported with greater frequency and volume since then. The virulence of the language has increased as well.
I’m expecting the violence to begin. They’re going to try to make it all happen in real life. In the meantime my heart cries out for some sort of intervention against these “Good Christians” and their hate-filled and controlling ways.
BTW… “Godwin’s law” doesn’t apply when the comparisons are accurate and justified – and those are.
SinghX
May. 21st, 2012 at 7:55 pm
…”Language like that has been reported with greater frequency and volume since then. The virulence of the language has increased as well…”
And, where is Homeland Security? Are they listening to these ultra-radical clerics preaching death to the infidels, stirring up a “holy war” against citizens who have done nothing to them but live under the same democracy?
I expect violence to come raining down on Gay Pride Parades in the near future…in places where the mayor and police will turn their backs and the media won’t allow in to record the story.
A Walkaway
May. 21st, 2012 at 11:14 pm
I do too. I should ask my LGBT friends if the violence has noticeably ramped up in the past few days. Hearing about some gay person or couple being burned out wasn’t too uncommon in the past, and none of it made the news or was reported (probably like when they torched my workshop, it was written up as “faulty wiring” or some such bullshit like that)).
Churchlady
May. 21st, 2012 at 7:38 pm
This is beyond comment, Adalia. Beyond anything that can be said at all. Thank you for linking us to these extremists. Every caring human being MUST be aware of those who spew this vileness.
David
May. 21st, 2012 at 7:39 pm
No WONDER they were thrown to the lions. Might be time to start that tradition again.
Reynardine
May. 21st, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Dammit, I’m more careful than that about what I feed my cats!
A Walkaway
May. 21st, 2012 at 10:47 pm
It’s not nice to advocate poisoning lions, don’t you know?
Though from their language, I think they’d be so toxic that any cat would know better.
A hyena, on the other hand…
novenator
May. 21st, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Ya know, it’s ironic because I had a dream about this last night. Sort of. The christian conservative Republicans in the US were literally screaming for LGBT folks to be forced to wear pink triangles and get put into concentration camps. The Democrats “compromised” with them, averting the concentration camps, but still allowed the pink triangles to be worn, and even then the GOP only grudgingly accepted the “compromise”.
/must stop dreaming about politics
Carrie
May. 21st, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Democrats would apologize for being so mean. Speaking the truth about republicans isn’t “nice”
Your dream sounds like what happened yesterday with dem apologizing for Obama talking about Bain. Democrats think he shouldn’t talk honestly about the issues because it makes mitt look bad
Grow a pair dems!!
Reynardine
May. 21st, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Ah, well, Carrie, I suspect a tempting amount of money changed hands to elicit that condemnation of meanness to Bain Capital, and I also suspect this is only the beginning of what the root of all evil may accomplish. This is likely to be the most corrupt, the most violent, and the most fraud-ridden campaign we have seen since the beginning of the Twentieth Century, let alone the Twenty-First.
A Walkaway
May. 21st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
They’ve already advocated for that very sort of thing. It’s coming unless we can stop them.
Read Rushdoony and what he advocates… but beware, you will have nightmares after you do.
Shiva (Moderator)
May. 21st, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Thou shalt not kill.
You have to love christians in action
But let us balance that with the article politicus did on a church some time ago that voted and decided to accept all types of people as their gods people. They are the christians
There are christians out there, I just dont think any are in the south
A Walkaway
May. 21st, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Ah… there are a few of us. We’re found near bastions of liberal thinking and common sense like universities and places like that.
sdcvan
May. 21st, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Have you ever been asked the philosophical question, “What would you do if you could go back in time to before Hitler became dangerous – perhaps, when he was a boy?”
I know exactly what I would do!
This thought came to mind while watching this video.
A Walkaway
May. 21st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Yes, and I think I’d try to plant some seeds of decency and acceptance of the Other in him while he’s still young and can learn better.
If that didn’t seem to work, then I’d try to get him where he could get real help – or be institutionalized where he couldn’t hurt anyone (if he was incurable).
Who knows… maybe even a smile or kind word at the right time could have prevented WWII?
Reynardine
May. 22nd, 2012 at 8:54 am
The only right thing to do would have been to get little Adolf away to someplace wholesome, or to stay by him and counsel him heavily if that wasn’t possible. A very few people are born capable of nothing but malice, but I don’t think he was one. I think Eichmann was.
newmeximan
May. 22nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
After the war, a group of economists got together to ask each other what went wrong with fascism. The agreed the problem was not with the ideology, the problem who they picked as the leaders.
This group is the same Austrian School of Economics that bred Milton Friedman, who taught at the University of Chicago. Friedman went to Argentina to help Pinochet set up the economy after the military coup that gave the General his power. Friedman influenced the economists who labeled “supply side economics”. Friedman also influenced Greenspan, who had to testify to Congress that “he didn’t understand what went wrong when the government lowered the liquidity requirements when they allowed commercial banks to merge with investment banks.”
I can’t recall the name of the fascist group, but they still meet annually. Many of their members are members of the Eagle Foundation, the Council for National Policy, and the usual right wing secret group suspects. These are the people who helped make right wing think tanks tax deductible.
susan
May. 21st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Shame! Shame on this man!Preaching hate from the pulpit! Shame on him!
Paman Miner
May. 21st, 2012 at 10:52 pm
This kind of thinking is all too common for people in this kind of churches. It’s a willful ignorance they are proud of. It’s hard to know why though.
For regular tea party GOP, I blame it on faux euws. And of course the Koch brothers.
This surpasses a the regular tea party ignorance. I lived in the south once and witnessed the mindset.
amanda
May. 21st, 2012 at 11:22 pm
I’m a Christian. I live in the south. I’m. Conservative. I don’t believe all gays should be killed off. I may not agree with their lifestyle, and may not want it forced upon me to accept it to some extreme degrees, but please don’t lump me with the likes of this self-proclaimed “pastor.” Spewing hate, encouraging murder and genocide… that is NOT Christian, and Jesus would not have tolerated this “pharisee’s” disgusting rant. THIS IS NOT WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS ABOUT, SO PLEASE STOP GENERALIZING US ALL TO BE OR ACT THIS WAY!
Shiva (Moderator)
May. 22nd, 2012 at 12:22 am
You dont have to accept their lifestyle, all you should do is let them live their life the way you live yours.
Im in Knoxville and Im not sure I would call too many baptists here christians.
Alan Morgan
May. 22nd, 2012 at 3:19 am
As long as the only vocal Christians are the ones spewing hate, you WILL be tarred with the same brush. Don’t like it? Get together with some other (real) Christians and make some noise of your own.
Shiva (Moderator)
May. 22nd, 2012 at 7:54 am
Little could be more true. The more silent the “real” christians are, the more guilty they look by their own silence. That makes it easy to lump them into the open box the fundies are creating for them
SinghX
May. 22nd, 2012 at 8:17 am
Join Rev Welton Gaddy’s Interfaith Alliance, go to Talk2Action.org and sign up to comment/fight along side others…the more democratically aligned Christians stay silent, the more they are seen as complicit. You should be just as afraid of the radical clerics that have infested your faith as they won’t tolerate you or your “beliefs” either…
A Walkaway
May. 22nd, 2012 at 10:20 am
You might be glad to know that I’m Christian too, but people who talk like you do end up trying to force us to be like you. When we disagree, we suffer the consequences at the hands of “Christians” like you claim to be. (I’ve told of some of those “consequences” that we’ve gone through in other threads.)
The KKK, for instance, insists that they’re “Good Christians” like you. Westboro Baptist Church insists they’re “Good Christians”, and the Assemblies of God have been known to support them not only with words but with deeds (helping to support their hate-filled marches, for instance). The Assemblies of God… all claim to be “Good Christians” but I can attest to their hate and violence and rejection of anyone “not like them”. The Southern Baptists? I’ve spent as much time trying to help people whose souls and lives were destroyed by those “Good Christians”.
You want to know the most horrible thing of all? The more “Good Christian” a church is – ESPECIALLY THE MORE CONSERVATIVE, the more likely that young people have been raped by the preacher or clergy. I’ve heard it enough to know the story well… and for instance, if I ever hear that a woman had been called a “Jezebel” at some point in her life, I know she’d been raped by her preacher or church elder and tried to get help – and the church found out.
When you stop following the ideology ABOUT Jesus and start paying attention to His words (and the focus shifts from what you think about him to trying to live according to the way He tried to guide people, then you’d be a Real Christian.
It doesn’t matter what you believe, what really matters is how you treat the Other.
jokr8790
May. 21st, 2012 at 11:56 pm
This guy’s a “Christian” alright. He sounds like the Grand Kleagle of the KKK.
j
May. 22nd, 2012 at 8:29 am
Do any of these so called christians know the history of christianity, approximately 12th century christians had a rite of the church to join two men in marriage, just like the modern wedding ceremony.
Christianity did not begin 200 years ago!
A Walkaway
May. 22nd, 2012 at 10:43 am
There are a lot of Real Christians who are well aware of the history of the church (including the two millenia of abuses), or who are learning. I’ve known about the rite for years, but would like to find a good source for that information (NOT an internet source – something peer-reviewed and acceptable to academia).
In fact, I spent about a half-hour yesterday trying to find a decent source, without luck. I admit my “Google-fu” is pretty much worthless (I got a ton of hate sites and advertisements), but still… that information should be available somewhere in acceptable and quotable form.
Feila L.
May. 22nd, 2012 at 11:04 am
Interesting. He doesn’t say we lesbians and queers should be killed. He’s says we’d die off.
It would be a strange awakening for this man and all those hollering “Amen!” from the pews when their little grandchildren grow up to be queer.
Secondly, is there anyone from the IRS ready to go after that church for participating in partisan politics?
Cassandra Vert
May. 22nd, 2012 at 11:13 am
When the corporatists/dominionists were planning the panic that would induce people to accept extreme actions and the “common enemy” that would distract them from the real cause of their misery, gays were going to be set up as the common enemy. Remember the “kill the gays” bill in Africa, created with knowledge and input from U.S. neocons? Enough people here stood up against those early efforts that they switched to demonizing Muslims, but a few with stronger feelings against gays have kept up that campaign.
And not that logic plays any part in this, but by this lovely pastor’s logic, you don’t need to quarantine homosexuals to prevent them reproducing. They won’t anyway. And yet throughout history, there have always been homosexuals. Hmm, where are they coming from? (I probably shouldn’t say that, next thing you know they will come after female athletes and other high-achieving women)
Lauren Rogers
May. 23rd, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Thank you for your brilliant and insightful response! I wish more people knew what you know! I agree with everything you wrote and am so glad that you took the time to write it!
matt the butch gay homo
May. 22nd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
hahahahahaha ok and where do you think we come from ??
its not from ourselves but from the church people
i was raised in the pentecostal church where do you think
i realized i was gay at where do you think i lost my verginity at?
my mom made us go to church 5 day out of the week and sunday was normal church
monday was bible study at the church tuesday was prayer night
wednesday was church again thursday was outreach so tell me how a
church going son of a god fearing woman can turn out the way he turns out
oh and by the way its not just me that turned out to be gay
my brother is gay also so not just 1 but 2 sons are gay also
why is he so hatful againts gay people is it because
“people hate the most in others that they see in themselves??
mabe have a great day blessed be!
Mark Bousquet
May. 23rd, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Wow! That’s a lot of church going. Not much time left to do God’s work to go out into the world to heal the sick and enrich the lives of the poor… ;)
cheyenne
May. 22nd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
and this is why I don’t go to church pastors are all FULL OF SHIT!!!! if there not touching there little ones in the back rooms there filling your head with bullshit and brain washing people …
Dan Skinner
May. 23rd, 2012 at 12:11 am
Proof again that the only good Republican is an UNELECTED one!