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Pastor Wants Atheist Registry to Track Atheists like Sex Offenders
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“No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him.” – Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson and his idealism be damned. What internet pastor Mike Stahl wants is an “atheist registry” to keep track of these dangerous elements in our society, like people who don’t believe in god, or any gods. This is a story right out of Nazi Germany. What’s next? Will we have our children “outing” us as atheists and pagans and heretics, and turning us over to the fundamentalist morality police to be conveniently culled from the herd?
Now as a disclaimer, I’m no atheist myself. I’m a polytheist. I should make that plain at the outset. But I don’t lose any sleep over people believing or not believing in my gods. I take Thomas Jefferson’s attitude toward the whole belief thing: “it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” Live and let live. I really don’t care what other people believe unless they try to force their belief or non-belief on me. Then we have a problem.
Here’s Stahl’s logic, which we have thanks to Ed Brayton at Dispatches from the Culture War because the cowardly Stahl is in hiding: he opens his blog to invitees only:
Brothers and Sisters , I have been seriously considering forming a ( Christian ) grassroots type of organization to be named “The Christian National Registry of Atheists” or something similar . I mean , think about it . There are already National Registrys for convicted sex offenders , ex-convicts , terrorist cells , hate groups like the KKK , skinheads , radical Islamists , etc..
This type of “National Registry” would merely be for information purposes . To inform the public of KNOWN ( i.e., self-admitted) atheists . For example , let’s say you live in Colorado Springs , Colorado , you could simply scroll down ( from the I-Net site /Blog ) I would have , to the State of Colorado , and then when you see “Colorado Springs” , you will see the names of all the self-admitted atheist(s) who live there ( e.g., if an atheist’s name happened to be “Phil Small” ) . The individual’s physical address , and other known personal information would NOT be disclosed ( though , perhaps a photo could be ).
If this all seems completely incomprehensible and pointless to you, Pastor Stahl has his reasons:
Now , many (especially the atheists ) , may ask “Why do this , what’s the purpose ?” Duhhh , Mr. Atheist , for the same purpose many States put the names and photos of convicted sex offenders and other ex-felons on the I-Net – to INFORM the public ! I mean , in the City of Miramar , Florida , where I live , the population is approx. 109,000 . My family and I would sure like to know how many of those 109,000 are ADMITTED atheists ! Perhaps we may actually know some . In which case we could begin to witness to them and warn them of the dangers of atheism . Or perhaps they are radical atheists , whose hearts are as hard as Pharaoh’s , in that case , if they are business owners , we would encourage all our Christian friends , as well as the various churches and their congregations NOT to patronize them as we would only be “feeding” Satan.
Frankly , I don’t see why anyone would oppose this idea – including the atheists themselves ( unless of course , they’re actually ashamed of their atheist religion , and would prefer to stay in the ‘closet.’ ).
The dangers of atheism? Seriously? Shouldn’t we be more worried about the dangers of theocracy, the threat posed to the U.S. Constitution and First Amendment and the possibility of morality police invading our homes?
So why is it anyway that fundamentalists get so riled up if we don’t all believe in their god and their god alone? Well, they seem to think that their god is going to punish everyone, including (especially) them if we don’t all obey the rules – that Old Testament collective guilt thing with America as the next Sodom and Gomorrah.
Personally, I think a better solution is jettisoning any god who is going to punish us for any reason whatsoever. I wouldn’t waste spit on such a deity. That was one of the reasons I left Christianity behind in the first place. And seeing obscene ideas like this just makes that decision seem ever better in hindsight.
Maybe we should have a list of fundamentalist Christians. Why would any fundamentalist Christian oppose this idea? I mean, why would they unless they’re ashamed of their religion and want to stay in the closet (to use Stahl’s own words)? I mean, don’t we all have the right to know if our neighbor is a right wing lunatic who might open fire one day because he thinks his god told him to? I don’t know about you folks, but I’ve yet to hear of an atheist (or a polytheist for that matter) opening fire on folks because a god told him to.
I’ve known atheists and I’ve known Satanists and they were all much more reasonable and well-adjusted folks than Pastor Rick.
What’s amusing about Stahl’s attitude is he talks about being fearless and above board unless you have something to hide. Then when it all explodes in his face and people get angry with him for being a bigot, he makes his blog private and deletes his Facebook link. Even the cache is gone. I guess only atheists are supposed to have the courage of their convictions, eh, Pastor Mike? Some witness for your god you are! Seems like a lot of cowardice going around lately, what with Bryan Fischer, as I reported here this morning, refusing to stand up for his beliefs in open debate with the public he wants to force to go along with him.
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NoMooseStew
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 7:44 pm
I read his blog the other day. These people are truly scary. No one is telling them they can’t believe in their God. They can believe in a Marshmallow Bunny for all I care. When they try to make laws to exclude people or take away rights that is a different matter. Why don’t they go to church and worry about themselves? I think anyone can find a Bible if interested in reading it AGAIN.
Yeah I want to be on a list so those nuts can egg my car or key it. Or worst hear voices telling them to shoot me. I tried putting a bumper sticker on my car. I live in a fairly liberal area but I stirred up some “spiritual” person who thought God wanted him/her to key my car.
maggy519
Sep. 11th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
They need to be called out for what they are:fascist bigots
buckeyewill
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 7:47 pm
Has this poor pastor read the First Amendment to the Constitution??????
I don’t agree with atheists…or communists,infidels ,the Klan….
But they have a right to express their opinion.
I think we call that free speech.
Maureen J Bocardo
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 12:35 am
Yeah. And, to think. The poor Founding Fathers must be rolling over in their graves. They quibbled and argued. Some wanted “freedom from religion”. The “freedom of religion” gang won the debate over the wording.
Brent
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 1:15 pm
You’re equating atheists to infidels and the Klan? WTF? Communism is just a economic structure, so I’m not sure where you’re going with that.
Ember
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Sign me up on this list. If being an athiest means that I believe in my own logic, in what is reality around me before I give in to blind faith, then I am an athiest and proud of it! “Good little Christians (or muslims, or wiccans, or…)” may avoid my doorstep like the plague, or they are more than welcome to come in and have a lively debate.
Because one of the things that I’ve found? That heathen, infidels of Egypt that God so joyfully slaughtered for their biblically supported slavery practices? Their religion shares a great deal in common with Christianity. Including the God Amun-Ra, also commonly spelled and pronounced(coincidence?) “Amen”… which predated the supposed Slavery in Egypt by several hundred years as the primary God there and across Nubia and Syria… not to mention being a local prime diety in Thebes for who knows how long before that.
“Yea though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death” (valley of kings, anyone?) “[...] Your rod and thy staff, they comfort me.” (What’s the pharonic signs of power? A Crook (staff) and a Flail (rod).)
So, yes, call me an athiest, when I consider that your God is Ra, and Jesus is Horus.
Dalton
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Your just as bad as the pastor. Equating Infidels and Atheists to the Klan is horrible. The Klan was a very relgious group. Communism, in its purest form, is undoubtably the best form of government. however, corruption was high. It is the same way with the roman republic. It was a great idea, but corruption led to its downfall. Im fine with marxists as long as they are MARXist. Not corrupt people labled as MARXist or COMMONist. See what i did there. Common? common people. F**K YOU.
Chefbob50
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 7:58 pm
With the rise of Dominionists like Perry, Bachmann these nut jobs feel empowered to force their bronze age mythology on everyone regardless of their individual beliefs. I know nothing like this would really happen but the fact that the climate is such that people like this can spew this nonsense is very disturbing indeed…
JahLove63
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 7:59 pm
“In which case we could begin to witness to them and warn them of the dangers of atheism.”
What are the dangers of atheism? I’ve never known anyone to be directly affected adversely through their association with atheists. What in the fuck is this guy talking about? I fear God-fearing religious fanatics more! Lord, protect me from your followers.
Wilson201
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 9:53 pm
The only danger of being an Atheist is that we will be attacked and/or shunned by religious zealots. We are not allowed to question their faith without repercussion. It is dangerous not believing in a god.
A Walkaway
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Depends on if you attack, or if you just defend yourself.
I know a few atheists… and there seems to be two general mindsets. Those who don’t care if others are religious, but who don’t believe in God (they just don’t want religion forced on them). Those don’t go out of their way to attack religion (or Christians) and there are a couple that I consider friends. Then there are the militant ones, the fundamentalist atheists. The ones who have to belittle and attack people who are religious/theistic and try to convert others.
I’ve had pleasant discussions of religion with the atheists I know who aren’t militant. It doesn’t bother me at all that they are atheist (and since I don’t force my faith on them, but delight in intelligent conversations, they are not bothered by my faith), and we find many interesting points in common. We’ve learned from each other.
At the same time, there have been groups on campus that went out of their way to offend everyone they could. If you believed in anything, you were fair game. (They even attacked my culture in a sign that attacked some of our religious symbols.) In my opinion, they’re not much different than the dominionists – a few individuals have even called for the banning of religion in general (mirroring the dominionists in their attempt to make everyone their type of “Christian”). It really irritates me that they think they have to turn me into an atheist, and deride me because I won’t.
I have been attacked as much as any atheist, by the way… by the dominionists and fundamentalists.
Greg
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 7:38 am
“Fundamentalist” Atheist? Atheism doesn’t really have fundamentals… Only the common lack of belief in a god.
Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 8:02 am
There are indeed fundamentalist atheists, who are every bit as inflexible and dogmatic as fundamentalist Christians, and just as eager to push their beliefs on others.
Alikhat
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Oh, please. In order to be labeled “militant”, a religionist has to either gun down an abortion doctor, blow up a clinic, murder a market full of shoppers with a vest full of explosives or take out a skyscraper with a 747. In order for an atheist to get labeled “militant”, he/she merely has to protest compulsory prayer in school, creationism in science classes, the ten commandments on government property or call the Christian god a “sky fairy”. Seems the requirements are a bit lopsided.
Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 12:55 pm
mil·i·tant
1. Fighting or warring.
2. Having a combative character; aggressive, especially in the service of a cause: a militant political activist.
n.
A fighting, warring, or aggressive person or party.
Alikhat
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 5:06 pm
I’m curious as to what profound point “Shiva” thinks he/she/it is making by cutting and pasting from a Dictionary.
I’m also curious as to why I can’t reply directly to “Shiva” (and a bit annoyed, besides).
Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 5:13 pm
What “Shiva” met by posting from the dictionary is that is a little bit difficult to define a militant by saying in order to be militant you must be this or that.
And you basically did reply to “Shiva” directly. the threads only go so far before the reply button stops. Are you going to go to anger management?
A Walkaway
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 8:00 pm
No, you’re giving examples of TERRORIST.
Shiva has it right. I don’t like people in my face making fun of my faith or belittling me for it, just as I don’t like them in my face trying to convert me to their religion and insulting me because of what I believe.
It really bugs me when fundamentalists try to get into a fight… whether fundamentalist atheist trying to convert me, or fundamentalist “Christian” trying to convert me. And the word aggressive certainly is appropriate.
draec
Sep. 5th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
according to Shiva’s definition, then, any proselytizing religious person is militant.
Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 5th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
If you have problems with reading, you can get help by attending summer school
Keith
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 2:30 pm
“They even attacked my culture in a sign that attacked some of our religious symbols.”
You keep using that word [attack]. I do not think it means what you think it means.
A Walkaway
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Uh… I think I know what the word means, and it’s connotations.
Steve
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Wait what? It’s OK for Christians to spread their word and evangelize, but if a atheist speaks out about that its an “attack”. Most of your so called “militant” atheists are people who just TALK about it, that makes them militant, since it’s what, not evangelizing YOUR message?
Logic Fail.
A Walkaway
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 8:29 pm
(SIGH!) I’m not defending the damned dominionists or fundamentalists. I don’t like them shoving their crap on me, just as I don’t like it when people try to deny me my own identity and faith.
Let’s put it this way… you’d be insulted if a sign was put up calling all atheists stupid and fools, right? (I actually saw one put up by a dominionist megachurch a few years ago.) Look at the topic for this thread… talking about a registry for atheists – that’s insulting, isn’t it? The very idea of “Atheist = bad person”, that’s insulting (and wrong).
Well, I don’t like it when I go into public and encounter people telling me that I’m stupid or a fool because of what I believe. When people tell me I’m ignorant and backwards because I follow a religious tradition (one that is very old and predates European contact, btw) I get angry. That doesn’t fit at all and denigrates the years of hard work I’ve put in learning the things I have. (It’s also an insult to an ancient religious tradition that considers proselytizing and religious supremacy to be Wrong, if not “Sin”.)
I wish I had pictures of the atheist group on campus I’m thinking about… it would illustrate my point perfectly. The people were militant and insulting. I can understand them (probably got sick of having religion forced on them), but as the saying goes, two wrongs don’t make a right. If they’re looking for a fight with the fundamentalists/dominionists… leave me and mine out of it. Leave people who haven’t harmed them alone.
At the same time, I was really tickled when the Atheists of Florida launched a sign campaign that essentially told people that if they didn’t believe in God, they weren’t alone. People need to be encouraged, and I know how painful it is to be isolated and thinking you’re the only person in the area who doesn’t fit in with the general population. I know how bad this area is, and how tough it must be to be an atheist around here. The point is, the message was positive and not demeaning towards others. That is SO much more effective (and yes, it does set off the dominionists big time)!
The fact that someone thinks different or believes different is not important to me… how they are treated and how they treat others IS. I don’t go out of my way to insult people or to force my beliefs on them, why should they do so to me? What about a little respect for the person??? (That is a two-way street, and I think I’ve been respectful towards you and towards atheism in general, haven’t I?)
J
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 8:09 pm
at least you’ll never hear a priest wanting to treat anyone like a sex offender …
Artemis
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 8:20 pm
That’s a hanging curveball if I ever saw one.
Shiva (Moderator)
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Quite frankly I get confused when we switch back and forth between these over the top fundie groups. I think I may need to make a chart for myself or see if Leah Burton has one. Cause I cant keep up with who is who and who is defunct anymore.
I think Herr Field Marshal Stahl need to be given to understand the government maintains the lists of sex offenders etc. Atheists do not fall under the purview of the government yet.
Vote republican and they will
Artemis
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Convicted sex offenders, ex-convicts, terrorist cells, hate groups? Sounds like an NAE convention.
Artemis
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 8:36 pm
NAE, as in National Association of Evangelicals.
Akira
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Can I sign up for this list somewhere already ? :)
mikeyhatesit
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 3:05 am
this isn’t pastor mike’s list, but here’s a neat alternative: www.facebook.com/National...
Marc McKenzie
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 10:51 pm
I’m not an atheist, but I will defend anyone’s right to believe or _not_ to believe. It’s all right there in the US Constitution. Belief or non-belief is an individual’s right and his or her own personal business.
This pastor has no damned clue what being a Christian is. He also has no damned clue that one of the greatest things in the US is that we can accept–not tolerate–different belief systems or no belief at all.
If this guy’s faith is so shaken by the thought of someone who doesn’t believe in God, then maybe his faith was never that strong to begin with.
boil
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 10:52 pm
First they came for the communists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
and the hits just keep on comin……………
A Walkaway
Aug. 31st, 2011 at 11:30 pm
It’s coming. Atheists now, Liberals and others later.
We have GOT to stop them.
mikeyhatesit
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 3:43 am
I just found out- the next step has already been suggested by Tom Willis, who advocates putting evolutionists in work camps until they die: scienceblogs.com/dispatch...
Pastor Mike is a few pages behind in the right-wing playbook, and amazingly, so is Bryan Fischer…
Mikeyhatesit
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 12:31 am
Hey! I live a mile or so from this idiot! Oh, sure, he says he won’t print my address, but how do I know he won’t try to run me over when he sees my darwin fish tattoo?
mikeyhatesit
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 3:24 am
More seriously, considering that abortion providers have their addresses posted online, how do I know that mine wouldn’t be leaked, accidentally or not, or hacked and posted. Who was the democratic politician whose brother’s address was posted online, and had the house’s gas line cut?
I make no secret of my atheism, but just as I don’t have the right to approach strangers I see wearing a crucifix to convince them that Hawking is correct, they also don’t have the right to harangue me when they see my tattoo. Years ago I used to have a spare tire cover that I painted the words “HMS Beagle” on; one day I discovered that someone in my neighborhood had slashed it to ribbons. Pastor Mike’s desire to post my name and picture doesn’t inspire any confidence in me, should anyone take issue with my ink, which also includes various pagan and alchemic symbols.
On another article at Politicus, I promised to post this story on my blog, but I’ll post the quick and dirty of it here, since it is apropos, and explains why I am so bothered by an Atheist Registry. While visiting a friend in Pensacola for his wedding, my girlfriend and some members of the wedding party were leaving the reception when a college student approached us. Since Florida can get quite warm, I was rolling up my shirtsleeves while the student explained that he was getting class credit from the local religious university by speaking (testifying) to those he encountered in the city. His eyes lit up when they saw my darwin fish, and followed us for several blocks, trying to convert me. Even the threat of violence wasn’t enough to make him go away. He wouldn’t leave until he asked me when I lost my faith in god. My answer to him: “When I learned how to masturbate.”
A Walkaway
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 11:52 am
Good answer.
Their violence is why I use a pseudonym. I’ve suffered enough at the hands of those people and don’t want it to get worse.
Reynardine
Sep. 2nd, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Damn straight!
Deckard Cain
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 12:53 am
“ashamed of their atheist religion”
yeah, I see a lot of bald people ashamed of their hair’s color.
Earth
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 1:37 am
I’m guessing this goes nowhere…as vile as it is…he’s nobody and never will be. Why get worked up about it?
gatesofcerdes
Sep. 6th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
It already has gone somewhere. This nut has followers. He is himself a follower of years upon years of Religious Right lunatics that nobody got worked up over begause everyone thought that they were so far out on the fringe that they’d never go anywhere. Now, look what we’ve got. Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry running for President. Twenty years ago, no one would have believed it, but here it is!
harleyblueswoman
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 3:03 am
Like there is some kind of a freaking list somewhere…..what a nutcase this guy is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are crawling out of the woodwork now!!!!!!!!!!! Did someone open up all the mental hospitals and let everyone out or what?
mikeyhatesit
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 4:21 am
Apparently there is- I just found this link on pharyngula: jcsm.org/1on1/AltAtheismA...
A Walkaway
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 11:54 am
The Assemblies of God (and others) are known to have an “Enemies of God” list.
I expect my name is on it, along with a lot of other people, who just want to be left alone by those jackasses.
carver
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 1:06 pm
The Assembly of God churches are the core of the Dominionist movement.
Mike
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 8:14 am
Mike Stahl is no “man of God”, but rather one who would fashion himself a God of men, passing judgment and determining worthiness through his own twisted interpretation of Christian doctrine. It’s unfortunate that the “I-Net” gives such abject morons a pulpit from which to spread their perverse hatred, but refreshing and fulfilling in that it allows the light of truth to disperse the shadows of their dark souls.
Walter
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 8:55 am
His thought processes and punctuation are those of a third grader. Ignore him.
Athst
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 8:55 am
I understand where the commie and atheist link originates but I never got why atheists get thrown in with the KKK and other hate groups who are often religiously motivated.
I wonder how many of these people have ever met an actual atheist. I think I’m a pretty nice guy.
Chris
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 9:18 am
Frankly , I don’t see why anyone would oppose this idea – including the atheists themselves ( unless of course , they’re actually ashamed of their atheist religion , and would prefer to stay in the ‘closet.’ ).
Atheist religion?? Really? Get a clue, wingnut – atheists don’t have a religion, that’s why they’re atheists.
BigPaps
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 10:05 am
I’m also pretty sure that most atheists will reject the notion of a ‘devil’ too. I am, and do. So, people who don’t believe in either God or the Devil are feeding the latter by not believing in the former? Does. not. compute.
Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 10:46 am
even if I was religious I would have to reject the notion of a devil. Basically the idea that a devil exists and causes havoc in the world simply tells me that the God people believe it is not as all-powerful as he claims to be. what kind of a God would create this fantastically mindnumbing huge universe and also create or allow a devil to exist?
Joe Goebbels
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 10:17 am
Yeah, well, if some fellow Nazi dimbulb like Rick Perry gets elected, he’ll probably GET his list.
Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 10:21 am
Bingo. Exactly right
Brown cow
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 10:31 am
Jesus H. Christ !!! They just need to go away somewhere and have their own country.I’ll stay here and be my atheist self living with my atheist dogs.
Brown cow
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 10:34 am
Oops ! I may have sent that twice by mistake. Sorry if I did.
Someguy
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 10:55 am
How many people have died and how many wars were fought in the name of religion? How many atheists are criminals? All this dumb-ass wants is a nice list of people to make his job of neighborhood harassment easier. I can’t stand it when I’m sitting home on a weekend with my family when someone comes to my door trying to enforce their brainwashed religious thoughts upon me. I’d be interested to see how many registered sex offenders are theists (or Catholics) vs atheists. It’s about time the church learns that preaching to instill fear, guilt, and mindless following does not promote true ethical moral individuals. This thought of as long as you admit your guilt and say some hail marys and put your coins in the churche’s bucket and “all is forgiven” needs to go. I think Atheists need to start walking from door to door trying to teach people right from wrong with a copy of Plato’s Republic under their arm.
asdfere
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 11:20 am
I’m up for it if all Christians get a database up also, so that I can boycott them as well. Fair is fair. The idea of boycotting someone because they don’t share your religious beliefs is quite bigoted. Stahl can choke on his pompous words and die for all I care.
(As long as he suffers no torment or excessive pain, and as long as it is a natural death. Take that moralityfags.)
A Walkaway
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 11:57 am
They already have something like that: the “Christian Yellow Pages”.
I recently tried to get help from a “Christian” agency, who referred me to three “Good Christian” (his words) businesses. One had an “F” rating with the BBB, the second was to a cell phone.
None were licensed as far as I could tell (checked up on them).
A Walkaway
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 11:58 am
BTW… the three businesses were supposed to be highly rated in the “Christian Yellow Pages”. I wonder what they were rated on. How loudly they could pray and preach on the street corners?
Stucifer
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 11:43 am
75% of America is Christian.
75% of prisoners are Christian.
10% of America is Atheist.
00.2% of prisoners are Atheist.
- Federal Bureau of Prisons, 1997
I believe that is enough said.
ToniDaTyga
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 11:44 am
I have some bumper stickers like a rainbow lettered Humanist one and a Freethinker one. That caused me to receive two parking tickets for parking on my own grass in front of my house. Such BS.
Someguy
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 11:57 am
Don’t confuse morality with justice. Eye for an eye. All the priests who molest kids should be crucified while the parents of the children throw stones at them.
MurrayC
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 12:09 pm
The comparisons to the other registry’s is just plain STUPID. Every group example he gives (sex offenders , ex-convicts , terrorist cells , hate groups like the KKK , skinheads , radical Islamists) are all people condone and carry out the act of VIOLENCE.
NO ONE has ever died as a result of someone else’s mere THINKING!
reen
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Atheist Religion??????
miker
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 5:04 pm
I vote for a “National Registry of the Stupid, the Ignorant, or Idiots” and Mike Stahl can be the first entry.
Harold BBailey
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Sounds like a return to the “Burning Times”. And as for registering people, it is the christian priests who have been getting got breaking the3 laws, re: the catholic churchs sex scandals. Fundamentalist should be registered, for they are just another flavor of taliban. They want “church rule” and a return to “christian law”. What’s next, the return of the Inquisition?
A Walkaway
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Already have it, but it’s still internally focused.
Roxanne Walter
Sep. 1st, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Next thing you know he’ll want a list of all the Gay people or Asians or some other minority group.
kathy anderson
Sep. 2nd, 2011 at 12:29 am
free will is often overlooked and unappreciated by fanatical groups. in the end we simply and justly reap what we have sown in our lifetime. we make our choices based upon what we know, and the choices are to bow to our Creator or worship self. because eternal life is inherited by Gods children those who choose not to love Him will cease to exist at the end of time.
Norman D. Landings
Sep. 2nd, 2011 at 9:30 am
Hello from the UK!
Guys, we love you, but… y’know… you’re not doing yourself any favours as far as your image abroad goes, are you?
Unfortunately, this is exactly the kind of thing which is picked up by the UK media (and doubtless elsewhere too) and presented as ‘typical’ US behaviour.
The image we are presented with is that of an America doing it’s best to embrace the delusions, denial and extremism of the middle ages.
Oh well… we can always say we knew you before you went crazy!
Be happy!
Hrafnkell Haraldsson
Sep. 2nd, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Welcome, Norman. We liberals fully realize our image abroad is suffering and has been suffering – and badly. We hope to do better, but meanwhile, no matter how it makes us look, our best defense is putting the truth out there and making folks aware of what’s going on. We’ll take the hits and hope for a better tomorrow!
Michael Scott Peterson
Sep. 2nd, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Ok cool no problem I’ll start one to Identify Christians then. I’m so over this holier than thou attitude that these people posed. Its ok to be Christian but soon as someone else has an opinion expresses their own its a goddamn problem. Well you know what? Jesus smoke Pot, Jesus cursed, and Jesus is a JEW. Religion is a stepping stone back to slavery, no one man should have all that power and no one group of people should submit to a mythological entity that NO ONE can see or hear. Get a life, stop falling into the pseudo-social tendencies of a generation of folks whose forefathers owned slaves and used “Jesus” as a tool of control on the masses. GOD isn’t gonna save your house from being foreclosed on, he’s not gonna cure you of Cancer, and he’s not gonna give you the strength to overcome your fears. Only YOU have that power, SO STAND THE FUCK UP AND MAN THE FUCK UP.
Reynardine
Sep. 2nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm
I never thought about Jesus smoking pot, but, you know, they didn’t have tobacco.
A Walkaway
Sep. 2nd, 2011 at 11:21 pm
I don’t think so. I know it was used for rope and cordage (and maybe cloth) a long time ago… and even a butter-like substance (for food) was made from it in some areas (Southeast Asia as I remember), but as I remember it wasn’t used for smoking except in a few areas – my memory of the article says “Far East”. I’d have to look, but I don’t remember any sort of smoking implements found in the archaeological record (at least, for that area and time). Censors for incense, yes… but that’s not smoking. There were other things available to them, and my memory was that those drugs were generally ingested or imbibed.
People also think that Native Americans used Cannabis, but at least for my tribe, it never was used for getting high. It WAS used for rope, cloth, and string. Elders from other tribes have said that it was the same for them, and one archaeologist I know who specializes in North American prehistory is adamant that it never was used as a drug (the version of hemp we had was very weak as far as the cannabinoids). We smoked tobacco or bearberry, and that sometimes cut with herbs that made it less strong but more medicinal – never to get high. Other herbs were used for spiritual matters… by some tribes, with different plants used in different areas and contexts – again generally ingested. (In Mesoamerica, they used a snuff – I’ve forgotten the main ingredients.) Indeed, it is an insult to the traditionalists (from the West, we never used it) I’ve met to even suggest their use of Peyote is to get high… its use is strictly religious.
Archaeologists can analyze the residues from pipes that are very old and very quickly determine what was smoked in them. I don’t remember ever reading an article about finding evidence of the smoking of marijuana (aka hemp) in an archaeological context for the Mideast of around 2000 years ago (but I admit I haven’t ever looked).
Andrea W
Sep. 3rd, 2011 at 12:14 am
After reading this article I searched the internet to find another of Pastor Mike’s postings on gays and lesbians. Since he closed his blog off it is in the cached version. This guy is really out there.
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Shiva (Moderator)
Sep. 3rd, 2011 at 12:36 am
Whackos
Conway193
Sep. 4th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
The creepy, superstitious pastor can sign me up too; screw his impotent, laughable god and all other non-existent deities.
Chicken Dinner
Sep. 4th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
It’s people like this that make me very sad. People should be allowed to believe what they want to believe without being put on “lists”. This is a joke. Beliefs are a personal thing-No one’s da*n business.
Mark Bousquet
Sep. 6th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
They are trying to create a conformist society where freedom of will, freedom of though and all freedoms will be eliminated. Who wants to continue to live on in such a hellish place? I for one will not. When they come for me because I am gay and will not convert they can kill me. I would rather be a martyr than live in 1984. Give me liberty or give me death. What profit a man to gain the world but lose his soul?