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Paul Ryan Cracks Under Pressure and Admits Romney’s Tax Plan is Trickle Down
By: Jason EasleyOct. 2nd, 2012more from Jason Easley
When pressed during a local Wisconsin interview, Paul Ryan admitted that the whole Romney tax plan is based on the trickle down theory that more tax cuts will magically bring growth and prosperity.
Here is the audio:
Transcript:
Charlie Sykes: Let’s talk about some of those TV ads because one of them is hammering away at the Romney tax plan, saying—and I know you and Chris Wallace went back and forth on math, so I want to be more direct about it. The Obama Campaign is saying that the average middle class family could pay as much as $2,000 more under your tax plan. Very specifically, if there is a couple making $60,000 a year, can you assure them that under your tax plan, that they will not be paying more money out of pocket?
Paul Ryan: Unequivocally, the answer is yes. These ads are totally false. That statistic and number has been thoroughly discredited but that still doesn’t prevent the President from putting these things up there on TV. Look, the point—you know, I like Chris, I didn’t want to get into all of the math of this, and have everybody start changing the channel. Look, we raise $1.2 trillion or so in the income tax every year. And we have about a $1 trillion every year in tax preferences. And the people who use most of those are people in the higher income brackets. And so what we’re saying is, we’re going to lower tax rates for everybody across the board by 20%, and we can pay for that without losing revenue by closing loopholes for people at the top end of the income scale. Everybody gets lower tax rates as a result. And you can keep these preferences for middle class taxpayers and have 20% lower tax rates. That means more take home pay, more economic growth. Every time we’ve done this kind of tax reform, whether it was Ronald Reagan or Tip O’Neill or Jack Kennedy, lowering tax rates creates growth and prosperity. More of a wealthy person’s income is subject to taxation because they can’t use tax shelters. And since more of their income is taxed, that allows us to lower everybody’s tax rates.
Not only does Ryan let the cat out of the bag, and admit that their whole tax cut scheme is predicated on trickle down economics, but he seems to be working off of an entirely different script than Mitt Romney.
Just four days ago, Romney told the Toledo Blade a completely different story about how he would pay for his tax plan, “These are the kinds of things that get worked out in Congress, as you go back and forth between Democrats and Republicans, very much like you go back to the Reagan plan, he talked about bringing taxes down.”
Paul Ryan was actually telling several different lies about the Romney tax plan. The idea that the wealthy won’t get a tax cut is a matter of semantics. The Romney plan cuts capital gains taxes, which is where most of the wealthiest Americans make their money. The second central lie is that the middle class won’t pay more. No matter how the numbers are crunched, in order to make Romney’s plan work, someone has to pay more. Since Romney is already on record as believing that the rich are overtaxed, and 47% of America are victims, it is pretty easy to see who his tax hikes will be targeting.
The biggest lie to come out of Ryan’s mouth was the fallacy of trickle down growth.
A recent report by the non-partisan Congressional Research Service found no relationship between lowering tax rates on the wealthy and economic growth,
The top income tax rates have changed considerably since the end of World War II. Throughout the late-1940s and 1950s, the top marginal tax rate was typically above 90%; today it is 35%. Additionally, the top capital gains tax rate was 25% in the 1950s and 1960s, 35% in the 1970s;
today it is 15%. The average tax rate faced by the top 0.01% of taxpayers was above 40% until the mid-1980s; today it is below 25%. Tax rates affecting taxpayers at the top of the income distribution are currently at their lowest levels since the end of the second World War.The results of the analysis suggest that changes over the past 65 years in the top marginal tax rate and the top capital gains tax rate do not appear correlated with economic growth. The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment, and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie.However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution. As measured by IRS data, the share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top 0.1% fell from over 50% in 1945 to about 25% in 2009. Tax policy could have a relation to how the economic pie is sliced—lower top tax rates may be associated with greater income disparities.
Paul Ryan admitted that the Romney tax plan is more of the same trickle down fairy dust that hasn’t worked for the last three plus decades.
The reality is that the economy grows more when the top tax rate is higher, “The economy grew at 3.86 percent from 1950 to 1970, when the average top marginal income tax rate was 84.8 percent. From 1987 to 2010, when the average rate was less than half that (36.4 percent), economic growth was far less robust, 2.85 percent. From 1987 through 1992, the top average marginal income tax rate was 33.3 percent. Economic growth averaged 2.31 percent. From 1993 through 2002, after taxes increased under President Clinton, the average top marginal rate was 39.5 percent. Economic growth averaged 3.68 percent. Finally, from 2003 through 2007, after the Bush tax cuts, the average top marginal rate was 35 percent. Economic growth averaged 2.79 percent.”
What Romney and Ryan are proposing wouldn’t grow the economy. It would increase income inequality.
The Romney campaign has avoided comparing their plan to trickle down economics, but Paul Ryan let the cat out of the bag, and confirmed that the Romney plan is a tripling down of the Bush tax cuts for the rich.
The Romney/Ryan tax plan is really a massive redistribution and institutionalization of wealth at the top. The Romney plan will shift the tax burden to the middle and bottom earners and made economic advancement even more difficult.
Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan would rather protect the wealth of a few than create opportunity for you.
Ryan is proving to be more of a campaign liability than the Romney people could have ever imagined. He is clearly off message and trapped in his own Randian la-la land. Ryan has had a difficult couple of days trying to defend a tax plan that has hidden intentions. Instead of being the ideal numbers guy, Ryan is looking like what he is. Paul Ryan is nothing more than a House tea party darling who is wilting under the pressure of the national spotlight. He is off message, and looking increasingly like he is inching himself off the Romney reservation.
The media is pressing Romney’s boy wonder for details, and the not ready for the big stage running mate is starting to get off message and crack.
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Nefer
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 3:04 pm
“… didn’t want to get into all of the math of this, and have everybody start changing the channel.”
You know, I am getting real tired of this putz and his patronizing, condescending attitude toward we the people.
It would take too long to explain to us, not being wonks like him, and anyway we would just change the channel to Honey Boo Boo rather than think about big old head hurty math things.
Go away, you smarmy-faced weasel.
DragonTat2
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Bravo!
Dan
Oct. 2nd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
“Smarmy-faced weasel” –very nice turn of phrase. The problem with lying is that it’s hard to coordinate 2 people lying, since everyone wings it a different way. None of us should be surprised that the reality of the RR economic plan is to make the richest folks [THEM] richer, and the poor folks [US] poorer. We all know how adept the wealthy are at spreading the joy around. Just knowing that Ann Romeny’s dressage horse has an air conditioned barn makes me glow.
Father R. Joseph Owles
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 3:35 pm
I love how he always says he doesn’t want to get into the math, like he is doing US a favor and not just running from the fact that there is NO math.
The periods of highest growth have occurred during times when there were high taxes on the wealthiest.
The Republicans basically say that if you have a pie and i have a pie, it’s socialism. If I take your pie, you can live off the crumbs that fall to the floor from the two pies. If you don’t have enough, give me pies so there will be more crumbs.
And people keep falling for it…
Elizabeth
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Amen!
Colleen
Oct. 3rd, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Great response!
Pennyson
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 3:51 pm
The mighty republican E-WONK thinks that we [not being able to understand his complex math] would become so bored that we just couldn’t help but drift away looking for something shinny enough to hold our feeble attention span on and miss the little sound bites crafted so as to render it understandable to the ignorant masses that need to be reached and educated in some simple fashion how thoughtful of him
Paws
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 4:40 pm
His contempt, and that of Romney, for the American people is so obvious.
Neither one of these buffoons are ready for prime-time and I can only hope that Romney hangs it up and realizes he will never be President and therefore should not run again and, as for Ryan, I hope this ends his less-than-illustrious political career and sends him home to Wisconsin – or Fox News. I don’t much care where he ends up as long as he is out of Washington.
Jake
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Ok first. i’m a Dem and voting for Obama. BUT listening to your soundbite/ quote do not suggest trickle down which is characterized by lowering top tax brackets more than everyone else. i think your title and conclusion are misleading. however, i agree it is trickle down (third times a charm?). and i agree that the math doesn’t add up. but in the intrest of fairness. this is a misleading article title. you should change the name.
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Fairness to mitt romney?
Candace
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 7:04 pm
I agree. I heard nothing in the portion we were able to listen to that confirmed the title of this article.
I don’t like Ryan or Romney; I think they are both lying to the American people. A hypocrite & an out of touch elitist. They don’t need us; why should they help the middle class?
Obama / Biden 2012
Johnny T
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Synthetic growth and prosperity…. look how historically there is a bump and then an even bigger crash anytime topdown economics are introduced…..
Shiva (Moderator)
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 6:36 pm
There are not enough loopholes to close to make up for this plan.
On top of it all, Ryan is killing poor mittens
SpeedRacer
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Ok, I’ll be the first to admit that I’m no Math Major, but if they have done the math and determined they can do this, let us see the factors of the equation. They also keep saying the Loopholes they are going to close for the rich will be worked out in congress. Ok, I agree, that is where it would happen. But what are the loopholes they have in mind. The loopholes that they used in their math? If they dont know what loopholes will be closed, how can they do the math? Show us the People the math and all the factors in the equation, and to be fair this goes for both sides of the isle, and let us the people decide which we support.
James Thiele
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Math is hard.
– Barbie and Paul Ryan
Rick Shreiner
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 8:54 pm
So what Ryan wants us to believe is that wealthy people are going to pay MORE [in taxes because their deductions will be restricted] so that middle-class and poor people will be able to keep more of their income ? ?
Because the only way his tax-plan will stay “revenue neutral” is if someone makes up for the loss in revenue when others get to keep more of “their own” money.
If that’s the case, then why has he been so steadfast in his opposition to taxing the wealthy more ? ?
Does it really matter if wealthy individuals pay more in taxes, or more total because their deductions become limited ? ?
Sorry Ryan, either way, I ain’t buying it.
D. W. Skinner
Oct. 1st, 2012 at 10:10 pm
crack being the operative word with Ryan since he’s “on it” and his head “has one.”
Joey George
Oct. 2nd, 2012 at 6:43 am
I am no guru of the cost of tax preferences but common sense would dictate that probably the LARGEST tax preference is the earned income credit. And who gets those credits???????
Harry Johnson
Oct. 2nd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Common sense would indicate that the bailout of 2008 and the ongoing no interest loans from the federal reserve are the largest entitlements but common sense is not a CONservative strong point. The next huge preference is the low rates for capital gains which should be taxed at least as high as income people actually work for. The preference has created no jobs and a huge deficit so it should end immediately.
Gary Vaughn
Oct. 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 am
Romney explained it to the Ohioans that he was going to cut the tax by 20% but when he got done closing loopholes, Ins. before taxing, Martgage deductions, etc. That after all that the 20% cut would cost us 40%, gt it now “you people”?
J. Jonz
Oct. 2nd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Big surprise considering that the primary, actually the only, reason that the Republican exists is to cut taxes for the extremely wealthy.
James Threadgill
Oct. 4th, 2012 at 1:00 am
It’s rare for me to agree with any Republican but George H. W. Bush was right when he called reagan’s trickle down plan voodoo economics. It’s pissing on our legs and telling us it’s raining.
REGRRESSIVEWATCH.ORG
John Zaffino
Oct. 5th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I agree that this guy is a weasel, with his cold, beady eyes. The same with his running mate, R. Money. But, make no mistake about it, if the President does not come out swinging in the next debate and take total control of the situation, this campaign is in deep trouble. The same goes for Vice- President Biden. The campaign can ill afford one of his frequent gaffs. The man can brilliantly turn a phrase, but he can just as easily say something that the other sid grabs ahold of and says “SEE! WE TOLD YOU SO!”… Hang on, folks, we are in for a scary month of politics.