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Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor Are Trying to Con You Into Paying Their Debts
By: RmuseMar. 21st, 2013more from Rmuse
Most Americans go through their entire lives without experiencing an event they expect to lead to an unstable and dangerous situation affecting their existence, because a crisis typically means a life-changing emergency event is imminent. It is prescient, then, that for the past two years (at least), America has went from one crisis to another with hardly a moment’s respite, and it turns out that as many have surmised, Republicans manufactured and masterminded each crisis for political expediency and to further their two primary goals over the past four years. Central to their goal of portraying President Obama as a poor steward of the nation’s economy after they sent the nation into a Great Recession, was thwarting his economic plans at every turn through obstruction and creating dangerous situations for the nation and its people.
Regardless the particular economic crisis America has gone through over the past two years, they were all down to Republicans and their never-ending warnings that the nation is broke, in a debt crisis, and cannot spend one penny on anything other than entitlements for their favorite charities; the oil industry, tax cuts for the rich, and defense. All of the economic crises America suffered through the past two years stem from the debt ceiling crisis and credit for all of them belongs to Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan. The debt ceiling debacle did more than just cost America a credit downgrade, it risked the sovereign credit of the United States, spawned the failed super-committee, and delivered brutal sequestration cuts that all were the result of Republicans’ contention that America has a spending problem and a debt crisis.
The Republicans refused to raise the debt limit in 2011 unless there was a dollar-for-dollar amount of spending cuts that led to President Obama and Speaker John Boehner working out a so-called Grand Bargain that included new revenue and budget cuts, but House Republicans demanded spending cuts only. Eric Cantor recently said that Boehner wanted to accept the Grand Bargain, but Cantor and Paul Ryan said no. Cantor, in particular, told Boehner ”Don’t do this deal, because that deal was basically going along with this sense that you had to increase taxes, you had to give on the question of middle-class tax cuts prior to the election, and you knew that they had said they weren’t giving on health care.” Cantor continued, “Let’s just get what we can now, abide by our commitment of dollar-for-dollar, and we’ll have it out on these two issues in the election.” The deal was scuttled, replaced with the Budget Control Act, created a super-committee Republicans failed to support, and led to sequestration.
It is important that Americans understand all of the subsequent economic crises originated with the failure of the Grand Bargain including the debt ceiling crisis, credit downgrade, fiscal cliff, and sequestration because Cantor and Ryan said since the President would not budge on taxes or let Republicans repeal the Affordable Care Act, they would “have it out” on those issues in the 2012 election. Cantor wanted to take the issue of taxes and health care to the voters in the 2012 election rather than strike a big deal with President Obama, and although the Grand Bargain was not an ideal compromise, at least it would have prevented the perpetual economic crisis dysfunction, and provide a relatively complete fiscal solution to America’s so-called “debt crisis.”
The voters sided with President Obama on the issues of tax revenue and the health law when Republicans lost the election, but they still opposed new revenue and connived to defund the ACA under the guise that raising taxes on the rich and keeping the health law contributed to the debt crisis. Republicans, including Cantor and Ryan, disregarded the election’s results at the beginning of the 113th Congress and still oppose new revenue and plan on repealing the ACA either outright or through defunding because of the “debt crisis” and out of control spending. However, on Sunday, after three years of outrageous cries that America has a devastating debt crisis driving Republicans’ fetish to destroy social programs and safety nets, Boehner and Paul Ryan confessed America does not have a debt crisis.
If America does not have a debt crisis now, then America never had the debt crisis Republicans used to create the debt ceiling crisis, credit downgrade, super committee failure, and sequestration the country will suffer through over the next ten years. One wonders if Republicans decided to fabricate a debt crisis when they met secretly on Inauguration night to obstruct President Obama’s attempts to save the economy, and it is reasonable to assume that is precisely what they did. Both Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor attended the secret strategy meeting, and their primary tactic was to “show united and unyielding opposition to the president’s economic policies” that began eight days later when Cantor held the House Republicans to a unanimous no vote against President Obama’s economic stimulus plan because America could not afford it due to the nation’s dreaded “debt crisis.” Subsequently, for the next four years, and counting, Republicans obstructed job creation measures, went on Draconian spending cut sprees targeting everything from Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, regulatory agencies, education, and disaster relief all due to a phony “debt crisis.”
There are plenty of reasons to cast aspersion on John Boehner and the rest of the Republicans in Congress, but Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan are the culprits responsible for refusing to go along with the Grand Bargain that, although not ideal, would have prevented the debt ceiling fiasco, credit downgrade, super-committee failure, and sequestration cuts. Maybe if Boehner had been a stronger Speaker he could have reined in recalcitrant teabaggers and the rest of the Republican caucus, but he did not and he did parrot the debt crisis canard for four years, but he was not at the Inauguration night meeting and he did want to pass the Grand Bargain deal with President Obama. What is stunning is that Cantor accepts responsibility for scuttling the deal between Boehner and the President and was willing to stand by the results of the election; until Republicans lost.
There is little reason for joy that Boehner and Ryan admitted there is no debt crisis, because Ryan said there will be one in the near future and Boehner says Medicare and Social Security have to be slashed for long-term fiscal health. It remains to be seen how Republicans react to Boehner and Ryan’s admissions, but it is doubtful they will abandon their slash-and-burn approach to upcoming budget fights and Medicare and Social Security cuts. It is important, though, that the American people are aware that every economic crisis of the past two years began with Cantor and Ryan refusing to go along with Boehner and the President’s Grand Bargain, and that they were more concerned with sabotaging economic recovery and President Obama than governing and serving the American people. There are myriad reasons to detest Republicans for lying to the people about a phony debt crisis, but for the damage they have wrought on the people and the economy, extra malice must be reserved for Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan for purposely creating crisis after crisis borne of their pledge to “show united and unyielding opposition to the President’s economic policies,” and for scamming the American people into believing there was a debt crisis, because they will be paying dearly for the next decade.
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Jed Wunderli
Mar. 21st, 2013 at 11:40 am
You really believe the crap you just wrote? Everyone of Obama’s policies is anti-capitalist and pro-socialism / communism – NOT what America is about. He’s dragging our country down with his regulations that inhibit free enterprise and the spending that is an albatross around the neck of our children and their children. You can’t possibly blame this on the Republicans. Yes it was bad at the end of Bush’s term but he warned about a housing crisis shortly after he was elected the first time and the democrats didn’t want to believe any of it so it was full steam ahead. We’ve got the most anti-American president with NO leadership skills or anything that remotely resembles any business or economic experience and you write this crap? It’s Obama that loves to create crises. Stop drinking the kool-aid.
Shiva(Moderator)
Mar. 21st, 2013 at 11:45 am
I am leaving this litany of stupidity here so everyone can see what brainwashing is about. If I were to ask Jed what policies of Obama’s are socialist or communism he is going to be totally unable to answer. He is following the Breitbart website line of bull. and of course he has to use the stop drinking the Kool-Aid quote.
also if I was to asked dad what regulations that are inhibiting free enterprise and what spending is occurring he would be unable to answer. Simply because corporations are posting record profits and the stock market is producing record levels, he will not have any answers. As we seen yesterday, spending under Obama as a percent of GDP has fallen every year since his inauguration.
This is stupidity at its highest, and probably at his best. He doesn’t understand that the housing crisis started in 2007, and he’s trying to blame it on Obama. He doesn’t understand that President Bush started the housing crisis by deregulating the banks and creating a program that got people into homes with no down payments.
He is simply copying and pasting from someone else’s post. So please enjoy yourselves
RJJB
Mar. 21st, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Thanks Shiva – we see this same rhetoric on every conservative website on the Internet, but it’s important for Politicus readers to understand the level of stupid inherent with true believers, and where teabagger and GOP support eminates. What is curious is the question of whether the author believes what they wrote or drinking kool-aid.
Shiva(Moderator)
Mar. 21st, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Both. He beleives it and he believes it because he is drinking the strong stuff
djchefron(Moderator)
Mar. 21st, 2013 at 12:05 pm
For one so stuoid and thats an insult to stupid people I just have one question.How did you figure out how to turn on a computer?
gloria davis
Mar. 21st, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Pres. Obama is the smallest government spender since Eisenhower, look it up.
djchefron(Moderator)
Mar. 21st, 2013 at 8:28 pm
I think you’re asking too much for right now.He just figured out how to turn on the computer.
Reda StCyr
Mar. 22nd, 2013 at 4:33 am
Your the one crazy as hell Your so busy watching the thugs on Fox News tell you what a bad guy this brother is You can even see them toting all your money out the back door
What a damn fool you are!
Rich
Mar. 23rd, 2013 at 6:25 pm
a big thank you
Shiva(Moderator)
Mar. 21st, 2013 at 11:53 am
these guys are pulling the same thing that the great traitor Ronald Reagan pulled. Under Reagan the country was solvent, he dropped taxes on the rich and then increase spending and created a crisis on purpose. And that’s exactly what the Republicans are trying to do right now in order to raise taxes on the middle class and the poor while lowering taxes on the rich.
Many people think that taxes were lowered for the middle class and the poor under Reagan. If you are old enough to remember those times and were paying taxes at that time, you will remember that you also lost a ton of your deductions. So while your effective rate went down, the amount you paid went up.
Ronald Reagan was the beginning of the downfall of certain areas of this country including employment. The current house Republicans are trying to continue the Ronald Reagan dream of destroying the poor and middle-class.
hi
Mar. 21st, 2013 at 2:18 pm
I’m going to leave aside the manufactured debt crisis, because I don’t entirely agree with the way the republicans dealt with them. But to allege that the fault lies solely with the republicans is what makes your argument look ridiculous. Because you know, just as well as I do that it was both parties causing much of it.
However, first, by looking backwards at past tax cuts and increases it would make sense that raising taxes on the rich wouldn’t provide a long term increase in revenue, instead a decrease. And even the short term benefits aren’t enough to even scratch at these fiscal issues. They are simply symbolic – and idiotic. Looking at 1980, with income taxes I would imagine you approve of, the top 1% of income earners paid 19.3% of income taxes, right now you would think that is too little, correct? Six years later after tax cuts, it was 25.7%. Do the means justify the end for you? or is it only the means that matter? Because after the income tax rate was cut to 28% and the share paid by 1992 again rose, this time to 27%. In 2003 it had risen to 34.3%. Though total revenue fell after the initial tax cuts, it would seem logically that the tax cuts should only have been on the rich, because the amount they paid into the government actually increased. And as you said with the loss in deductions AND the share paid by the top 1% increasing – it makes sense that they shouldn’t be overburdened with taxes. With your attacking of Reagan I get the feeling you dont appreciate that while he may have dropped taxes by 275 billion or so, he realized that was too much and raised taxes 132 billionish to fix that. Seems responsible to me.
From what you have written I get the idea that you think not giving handouts to the poor and middle class means destroying them. Am I wrong for that takeaway? I think that is just an ideological difference that wont be settled, ever. You believe it is the governments job to take care of people, where some simply do not. You think that the rich owe something to everyone else, where some do not. Just as I doubt I could change your belief on that, you wont be able to convince me that the rich, corporations or government owes me something.
djchefron(Moderator)
Mar. 21st, 2013 at 2:38 pm
1.The bush tax cuts ran up the deficit.Cheney had to cast the tiebreaker so it can pass
2,The wars.While it is true that more than half of the dems in the Senate went along they did not go along with not paying for the wars
3.Medicare prescription drug plan.The republicans had to bribe their own caucus to pass it.Again not paid for
Conclusion Your argument that its both sides fault,whats the word I’m looking for?Oh yeah BULLSHIT
We have always said that Reagan raised taxes in fact he did it 11 times so I dont know where you are going with this argument unless you are trying to find some justification to why the rich needs more money to buy I dont know,car elevators?
Hand outs to the poor and middle class? imageshack.us/a/img829/47... Tell you what,explain to me why in this country can tolerate 50 million americans going hungry www.guardian.co.uk/world/... but in your world this is perfectly acceptable Remember That $83 Billion Bank Subsidy? We Weren’t Kidding www.bloomberg.com/news/20...
Shiva(Moderator)
Mar. 21st, 2013 at 3:44 pm
You You seem to not notice a very important thing. Today the 1% own almost 80% of the wealth in the country. They are the only people you can raise taxes on.
Back when Gov. Reagan was in charge the middle class had a far higher stake in what was happening. They owned a goodly part of the tax block. And everyone paid a higher share of taxes.
You seem to think that the government gives handouts of people. I would ask you what would these people do without them? It is obviously your preference the people die in the streets and starve.
The middle class and poor are being destroyed because they do not have the share of wealth that they should have. The distribution of wealth in this country should be 20% at the top, 60% in the middle class and 20% in the poor in order to be successful. I’ve already told you what it is now, 80% at the top and 20% on down. Now you tell me how the poor are going to survive in that?
And stop quoting this stupid BS that others believe it’s governments job to take care of people. Capitalism certainly isn’t going to take care of them, are you? Stop the BS
hi
Mar. 21st, 2013 at 3:11 pm
I agree they did, but Obama’s failed stimulus bill didn’t seem to help, and he racked up considerably more than Bush did. Not justifying what Bush did, but great job diverting it.
With the wars, there shouldn’t have been a tax cut while we were at war. But again, look to how much Bush went into deficit and then Obama. I don’t agree with either, but don’t try and shift the whole blame.
And I get this idea where you feel as if I am bound to the party I generally vote for. Now I can understand why you would generalize that; anyone who opposes you falls into the group you oppose. Lot’s of people do it. I don’t agree with that either.
Now you seem definitely to be bound by that, because you can’t accept that the $831 billion failed stimulus increased the deficit. Now if I couldn’t do math I may think the same. The proposed democrat increases the deficit spending. So if you can’t realize that I am typing to the stupidest wall ever.
Yes, Reagan did increase taxes 11 times, but that only amounted to half of his tax cuts. I was saying that in response to the other moderator on here, your critical thinking skills don’t seem to be to good. I am saying tax increases on the rich wont achieve your desired outcome. Again with the critical thinking.
Now, I hate to bring up the critical thinking again, but I never said I supported giving money to banks. If you were going to be presumptuous, you should have gone the path supported by what I said, limited government involvement. So I don’t think that money should have gone to the banks, or anyone else. It should have not been taken away from the taxpayer.
Protip: make assumptions based on what someone has said.
djchefron(Moderator)
Mar. 21st, 2013 at 3:36 pm
You know a simple google search would have saved you a lot of typing unless you just want someone to talk to so I’m here to help
Did the stimulus work? A review of the nine best studies on the subject .Its a nice read on different economic models but its conclusion, yes it did work
www.washingtonpost.com/bl...
Your words now so it wont be any diverting “But again, look to how much Bush went into deficit and then Obama.”
From 2001 to 2009, Bush’s policies, including two wars, higher Pentagon spending in addition to those wars, tax cuts, higher discretionary spending and the prescription drug program contributed $5.1 trillion to the nation’s debt. From 2009 to 2017 (using projections for 2011-2017), Obama’s policies have added or will add $983 billion. Not even in the same ballpark.
www.washingtonpost.com/bu...
I dont need to go down the ideological path to support my position.As they say Facts, it just seems to have a liberal bias
j
Mar. 22nd, 2013 at 8:47 am
For those poor rethugs who do not understand – Thom Hartman had a good program to put Reagan’s ‘supply side economics and trickle down strategy in simple terms so anyone can understand it.
Obama’s stimulus stopped the country’s slide into oblivion, the rethugs when they got the house have done everything in their power to stop progress.
I think the all went to the Bachmann school of economics.
djchefron(Moderator)
Mar. 22nd, 2013 at 9:00 am
You want simple terms to describe trickle down economics?I’ll give you simple:
Dick Cheney said, “Pi$$ on ‘em!” And, Ronald Reagan replied, “That’s a Great Idea. Let’s Call it ‘Trickle Down Economics!”
tz
Mar. 22nd, 2013 at 11:38 am
“Boehner says Medicare and Social Security have to be slashed for long-term fiscal health.”
That sums it up. Republicans ostensibly care more for “fiscal health” than human health.
Douglas Pensack
Mar. 22nd, 2013 at 1:38 pm
In 1950s, Sen J McCarthy claimed there were “Fifth Columnists” inside the government. He claimed they were trying to sabotage the government from within. He meant communists, and he was wrong, of course.
However, 2013′s “Fifth Columnists” are Republicans, who DO exist–and there are sabotaging the government, in plain view.