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Right Wing Insanity Boils Over With Claim Marriage Equality Caused Noah’s Flood
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I wrote yesterday about the Religious Right’s renewed assault on Marriage Equality. The bullshit is flying fast and furious, but there are always standouts even when it comes to “OMG Tell me you didn’t just say that” moments. Enter Pastor Scott Lively.
Lively is the president of Abiding Truth Ministries, another group considered a hate group by the SPLC, and with Kevin E. Abrams, is the author Joseph Farah’s favorite piece of pulp fiction, The Pink Swastika, as well as a supporter of gay genocide laws in Uganda.
Lively, who formerly oversaw the American Family Association’s propaganda in California (another SPLC-designated hate group), was interviewed the other day by Sandy Rios of the AFA about Marriage Equality and the End Times.
Turns out they’re connected.
According to Lively, our culture’s embrace of equal rights for gays and lesbians will bring about the open persecution of Christians. He says this will be like the early days of the church (when no such thing occurred, as I have previously explained). In other words, he is saying that something that is not happening is going to be exactly like another thing that never happened.
If you ask, how does he know this, he will tell you that it’s because “the last straw for God before He brought [Noah's] Flood was when they started writing wedding songs to homosexual marriage” and said homosexuality “represents the outer extent of rebellion against Him in a society and the last thing that happens before wrath comes.”
Lively: We need to remember that in the time leading up to the Flood what the rabbis teach about the last straw for God before He brought the Flood was when they started writing wedding songs to homosexual marriage and Jesus said that you’ll know the End Times because it will be like the days of Noah. There’s never been a time in the history of the world since before the Flood when homosexual marriage has been open and celebrated, and that’s another sign that I believe that we’re close to the end.
Rios: You know Scott you’re talking to thousands of the people across the country and some of them are probably pastors. What would you say to pastors out there who are facing, you know they’ve come up with these issues, these issues have come across their knowledge, they can’t escape it, whether it’s domestic partnerships or its benefits for homosexuals or whatever and it’s hurdling toward gay marriage in every state, what would you say to them by way of preparing themselves and how they should respond?
Lively: It’s time to adopt an apostolic mentality as Christians and to look to Revelation. How did they prevail? They prevailed by the blood of the lamb, the word of their testimony, and I think is most important, they did not love their lives unto death. We’re entering into a time in which standing for the truth of God is going to cost you more than just a few people walking out of your congregation and the temptation to compromise with the world, especially on this issue. I think this is the issue of the End Times, homosexuality. It’s present, if you do a careful investigation of all the scriptures dealing with this from the beginning and all the way to the end, God is painting a very clear picture that this represents the outer extent of rebellion against Him in a society and the last thing that happens before wrath comes.
He ignores the fact that gay marriage existed after Noah’s flood in other cultures and God was apparently fine with it. But then, you can’t be a Religious Right nut-case without ignoring all the relevant facts.
And really, was Noah’s Flood all that bad? It gave us the Grand Canyon, after all, a true natural wonder of the world. We know this is true because the fundamentalists have written books that say so. Who is to say another flood won’t leave us even more incredible wonders?
People wonder why we write about such things here, on a political blog. It is because people like Scott Lively have influence. World Net Daily peddles his crap and just this year, the San Diego Tea Party was indulging in these fantasies, saying of the Pink Swastika,
A documentary on the under-culture of homosexuality in the sadistic Nazi S.S., Nazi Party, Gestapo and Hitler Youth. The book offers new compelling counter evidence to the well known photos of Nazis labeling homosexuals with pink stars for dispatch to concentration camps. Equally revealing are the Nazi pagan earth worshiping rituals directly parallel to the Gaia followers of today.
The San Diego Tea Party pays homage to Joseph Farah, as though his approval of the book is all the evidence they need:
This is a deeply disturbing book,” said Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND, who recently added a new 4th edition of the book to the WND Superstore. “Perhaps not until very recently, with the mandating of open homosexuality in the military and the widespread promotion of same-sex marriage, could Americans have been expected to see the relevance of this remarkable work to their own society. We say, ‘never again.’ But do we mean it? Do we even understand what actually happened? I didn’t – until I read this book.
But as the SPLC says of the Pink Swastika,
The book makes a series of claims that virtually no serious historian agrees with: that Hitler was gay, that “the Nazi Party was entirely controlled by militaristic homosexuals,” and that gays were especially selected for the SS because of their innate brutality. The claims are entirely false; in fact, the Nazis murdered significant numbers of gays and made homosexuality a death penalty offense in 1942. In the foreword, Abrams adds that homosexuality is “primarily a predatory addiction striving to take the weak and unsuspecting down with it. … They have no idea of how to act in the best interests of their country… . Their intention is to serve none but themselves.”
People – liberals and progressives – need to understand how pervasive this thinking is. It is not the unique property of a small clique of religious fanatics like Scott Lively and Sandy Rios and Bryan Fischer, but is widely disseminated. Lively’s thinking influences voters. It drives and is driven by Tea Party extremism. It is all interconnected.
We cannot write about Republican politics in 2013 without writing about religion.
Given that he also thinks homosexuals were responsible for the Third Reich, I think you know how much trust to place in his End Times hypothesis that Marriage Equality is “another sign that I believe that we’re close to the end.” But of course, I am addressing myself to you, for the most part, reasonable readers. For the Tea Party and others, Scott Lively’s say-so, and maybe Joseph Farah’s endorsement, is all that matters.
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stumptownhero
Jan. 10th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
You can’t sell books or magazines unless the flock is frightened! Keeping them in a constant state of anxiety is all about fleecing the weak minded. The only end of times for Farah and Lively will be when the flock runs out of money to spend buying their lies and distortions.
djchefron
Jan. 10th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
They say prostitution is the worlds oldest profession.I beg to differ
robyn ryan
Jan. 10th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
The REAL first profession was Shaman.
diane
Jan. 10th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
“represents the outer extent of rebellion against Him in a society and the last thing that happens before wrath comes.”
And I thought it was worshiping false gods.
You know, before gay marriage, we were always taught that it was licentious behavior, immorality and greed that made god angry and wrathful.
When did the bible change?
Reynardine
Jan. 10th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
To the degree that Noah’s Flood has a historical basis at all, it probably had to do with one or more catastrophic flooding events that took place at the end of the last glaciation, probably the Black Sea event. Glacial meltwater didn’t just flow quietly to sea. Quite a bit of it was trapped in glacial lakes and released suddenly when ice dams or silt dams broke, raising sea levels catastrophically. The rise in the Mediterranean levels broke the dam at the Dardanelles, and there may have been similar breakthroughs at the mouths of the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea. If we have another flood like that, it won’t be because of who’s allowed to marry. It’ll be global warming building up an Agassiz-size reservoir under the Greenland glacier, and a catastrophic release. No doubt the God ghouls would say it’s for our sexual sins, but the greatest of all floods, the Zanclean, which refilled the Mediterranean, occured when the ancestors of our ancestors were cute little things that lived in trees and ate fruit.
Virginia
Jan. 10th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Well, hell, why are they complaining? Don’t they want the end of the world so they can race to their heaven and walk on streets of gold? If that is the end goal, then they should be truly happy! Too bad these people didn’t grow up believing other fairy tales; then they would have been searching for a magical beanstalk instead of attempting to destroy other people’s life because they believe everyone should believe in their fantasy world!
majii
Jan. 10th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
People like me who read their Bible for themselves are the enemies of Farah, Lively, Warren, and the other bible-busters. I was reading in the book of James recently where it was stated that Christians are to mind their own business, something that I endorse and live. If these religious shysters would read this, they’d ignore it and continue meddling in others’ business, because they have to keep getting the attention they’re receiving to feel good about themselves, and they have to keep the big bucks flowing into their bank accounts. I don’t believe they’d know what to do if they had to live the way Christ lived.
KatzKids
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 4:44 am
That’s an easy one majii. If they had to live like Jesus did, they’d start another religion that allowed them to live like kings & fleece their sheep of millions.
Reynardine
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
They already did.
Judy
Jan. 10th, 2013 at 11:12 pm
This reminds me very much of documents written to “prove” that African Americans were of less worth than White people, or women were inferior to men. Well, okay, that stuff still happens, too. It’s just more patriarchal hegemony, and, in the future, these folks will be filed along with so many others who fomented fear in order to protect privilege. It’s sad, and alarming that there are people who really pay attention to this.
Ian
Jan. 10th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
No one said it best quite like Mark Twain, “Nobodies habits quite need reforming like other people’s habits..”. The right wingers want to force every one live as they do but they live as cowards and are too afriad to read anything inculding their Bible. I have read the bible and it is intresting. Sadly Lively has sway but we are seeing the slow creep of progress. Lively is a tragic figure but hopefully his views will disappear with time.
Herculano Fecteau
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 4:00 am
“Who is to say another flood won’t leave us even more incredible wonders?” Silly man,don’t you realize that God, in the Book of Genesis, gave us a promise that the world would never again be destroyed by a flood? And what was the symbol of that promise? “I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth.” Genesis 9:13
So you see, the banner which celebrates gay rights and equality has Biblical roots!
KatzKids
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 4:49 am
Isn’t it interesting that they believe that because Gawd is so outraged about gay marriage, he’s going to punish the “Christians” you know, the haters who are against it – according to their own words. No surprise that “their Gawd” is just as crazy as they are.
Brian Anthony Bowen
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 4:56 am
Genesis 6 makes clear the flood was caused by fallen angels who mated with human women, who then bore them offspring….which I believe was a very heterosexual act, even back then! :)
Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 8:38 am
groan
Rho
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 6:45 am
original flood tale came from the Epic of Gilgamesh…. history-world.org/sumeria...
Just thought we should know.
Singhx
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 7:47 am
AFA is nothing more than a coalition of Mini-Me’s that have strapped themselves to the belly of the almighty. Their sociopath-psychopathic personalities compel them to act out, abuse and control others in order to fulfill their personal, most deepest insecurities, predatory depravity compulsion to be the center of attention. They can’t be “The Man” but, they can attach themselves as self-appointed surrogates.As David Koresh was a self-appointed “messiah”, they too are self-appointed prophets, apostates, etc. They all come from the same old Cookie-Cutter-Messiah School of Cult Leadership; they aren’t original…
THE most important thing to understand about their depravity is their sick compulsion to make people believe them, adore them and follow them, do what they say; if not, how else will they “breathe” let alone make an income? If they don’t have followers giving them energy, time and money, they are susceptible to mental melt down/break down (right now we are witnessing huge tantrums from these cultist of a Jim Jones proportion; this is a sickness).
…and of course, the thing they fear the most is the thing the desire the most; the power they get from predatory sex with anything that moves in order to have MORE power and control, MORE admiration from their followers who then wind up being their victims…(I left out MORE money…)
James Bradshaw
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Where do the SUPER BIBLE SCHOLARS get these things. They are not in the Bible. They just make up stuff and add it to the scriptures. God is not happy about this. You have right to spew your hate, but not to change or add to the scriptures, You desecrate what many of us considr holy.
HG
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Repeating “equality” ad nausaum is no argument for redefining marriage. Equality doesn’t prevent all discrimination. We discriminate all the time and for good reason… some things just aren’t the same. Take gender discrimination for instance. We have male and female exclusive restrooms, locker rooms, dorms, gyms, clubs, schools, etc., etc. Wherever respectable differences occur, it is completely appropriate to distinguish between the genders in society. Such is the case with marriage. The union of two opposite genders is unique and different from same sex unions in many, many ways. Marriage respects and honors the union of a man and woman. This is acceptable and has been for ages.
Reynardine
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Respecting and honoring one couple’s union does not require us to dishonor and disrespect another’s.
HG
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
There are many relationships we don’t call marriage. We don’t call them marriage because they aren’t the same.
Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
but they are the same. Two people living together who love each other. The only thing different is the sex or gender of both couples. Far as I can tell it’s nobody’s business but their own. The only people who would fight against it of the people who fear their own sexuality.
Reynardine
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
No two relationships that *are* called marriages are the same. Some are loving partnerships. Some are business partnerships. Some are arrangements. Some are Hell.
The best quote from Lady Chatterly’s Lover was that of Oliver Mellors to Lord Chatterly: “If folks would do their own fucking, they wouldn’t talk a lot of clatfart about other people’s.”
Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
and some are the kind that when you marry a woman its just simply to get her an American citizenship. And then she offs you
Reynardine
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I promise you, Shiva, it isn’t just women who do it.
djchefron
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Marriage was not in the beginning to honor man and wife.The purpose of marriage just until recent history was about property.My family will give my daughter to your family and together we could have more property,we wont fight each other etc.
So most if not all people who object to same sex marriage does so on religious grounds when in fact it was more about the civil grounds why people became married.
SinghX
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
…” We have male and female exclusive restrooms, locker rooms, dorms, gyms, clubs, schools, etc., etc,…”
Most all civilized industrial 1st world countries have very few of any of the above, to include this country.
Unisex bathrooms are everywhere. I go to a health club where the dressing areas/bathrooms are private/unisex stalls. The only colleges with gender specific schools/dorms are religious schools. Most “clubs” are not public; if they are gender specific, it means they cannot raise any revenue by renting any of their space to the public (halls for dinners, parties, meetings, etc)…they cannot discriminate once the public enters their domain.
I bet you can’t name 3 clubs of any notoriety that remains “gender specific”. Only one comes to mind; the Piranha Club, and they’re always broke…
If you think gender specific enclaves are still prevalent, dominant, or the norm in America, you must live in a cave or a hollowed out log in a swamp or something…you don’t get out much, do you?
…”We discriminate all the time and for good reason.”
No, “we” don’t; maybe you do, but you do not speak for “we”. “Good reason” is no reason as an “answer” to deny civil rights based upon race, color, creed or gender. That’s like saying “I’m the parent and I said so” because you’re too lazy to understand the needs of another person.
Cliff Sees
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
What’s SPLC? Please clarify acronyms. New readers, such as me, do not always know what they mean. Don’t lose your audience by confusing them.
Shiva (Moderator)
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Southern poverty Law Center. I’m not sure what the website link is that you could just Google it. They pretty much document the hate groups within the United States like the Nazis, skinheads etc.
Inez
Jan. 11th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
I would gladly get involved in a contract to supply rubber rooms. The initial order would probably be filled ina week or two, that’s 20 or so. I can add on additions in 24 hours and guarantee comfortable lodgings. We’ll locate 5 miles off the coast to prevent runaways. They can preach their retoric to fellow residents. Anyone interested in a partnership?