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Rachel Maddow Explains How The Wisconsin Protesters Are Winning
On her MSNBC program Rachel Maddow not only explained how Scott Walker and the right are losing their battle to bust America’s public sector unions, but also how the protesters are winning. Maddow said, “It looks like it is turning into a national fight, and it looks like it is a national fight the Republicans may be losing everywhere.”
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Maddow began by suggesting that the Republicans’ union busting plan is not going so well, “Republicans in Wisconsin threw the first punch this month in what they hoped would become a national fight. It looks like it is turning into a national fight, and it looks like it is a national fight the Republicans may be losing everywhere.”
She explained that Walker’s union busting movement isn’t catching on, “What Scott Walker was saying to this guy he thought was a billionaire was how all the other states, all the other states are going to follow in his Scott Walker footsteps, because he is doing the big great thing in Wisconsin in taking on and taking apart the unions. Not only is that starting to not work out for the governor in Wisconsin, it is also not working out in the other states he mentioned so excitedly. You heard him mention his pal Rick Snyder from Michigan. Governor Snyder is facing police and firefighters protesting in Lansing. That’s Michigan. In Ohio, things are yet unresolved. No matter how often Governor Walker says he is talking to Governor Kasich in Ohio, things aren’t going the Republicans’ way there either. Republicans are caving on key portions of their union stripping bill and protests against it are still growing.”
She continued, “In Florida, also mentioned by Scott Walker as a place that would follow in his big Scott Walker footsteps, that is seeming more and more unlikely. These very, very Tea Party Republican Governor Scott came out in support of bargaining rights, even for public employees. They started this fight. Wanted it in all these states across the country, and they’re getting it. And it’s really not working out all that well for them.
Rachel Maddow dissected Scott Walker’s disastrous strategy, the strategy in Wisconsin, the Republican approach to the fight was essentially to hunker down and wait it out as long as possible. Right? That is the type of strategy you employ not only if you think you’re right, but if you think you have the public on your side. Let things drag out so people can see how wrong your opponents are. That was the Republican strategy for Wisconsin. They weren’t going to budge. They were going to dig in, not compromise. Wanted to wait, wait, wait, and let things drag out as long as possible.”
She discussed the fatal flaw in this strategy, “Here is the problem with that strategy. What we know from recent political experience is that sometimes when protests go on for a really long time, people start to associate the thing that is being protested with the chaos and division and disruption that comes from big sustained protests. The summer of 2009, when the health reform battle was going on. Remember the summer of the screaming town halls? The impression it had on most of the country, on people that weren’t prone to go out and yell about anything, was that there must be something wrong with the healthcare reform bill. Whenever I hear about it, people are screaming. It seems like it is divisive, makes people hate each other. Makes me have a bad feeling, even if i don’t know why. how about we talk about the policy merits of the debate the screams probably served to weaken support for healthcare reform. It went on for a long time, became divisive and loud.”
Maddow explained that the longer the protests go the more sympathy they gain, “Same idea in Wisconsin. Republicans are the ones dragging it out. You don’t necessarily have to sympathize with the protesters. If people are protesting against something for a long period of time, making a big ruckus about it, then that thing is likely to become less popular. The holding out as long as you can strategy by the Republicans is not working.”
After talking about the Gallup poll showing that 61% of Americans disagree with the Republican position, Maddow said that Republicans misjudged the American people, “Republicans have misjudged whether or not people are going to agree with them on this. People don’t really agree with you guys on this. Maybe it works for your base, but overall as an issue, it is not working. All of the stretching out is doing is putting the spotlight on what you are doing is unpopular, and gives the opportunity for you to make embarrassing mistakes. Exhibit A, falling for quite literally the oldest trick in the book, the oldest trick in the book since there have been phones. The prank phone call, really? Scott Walker heard here laying out his secret plan to trick democrats into returning to the state to talk to him. Laying out his secret plan to some guy somebody told him is a billionaire. Laying out how he is going to trick Democrats into coming back to the state so he can allow Republicans to hold their votes.”
Later Maddow explained the political calculus that the Republicans now face, “So this is the political calculus that Governor Walker has earned himself. He is now the guy telling Wisconsin he’s going to get rid of thousands of jobs in order to do something that is super unpopular. Get that on a bumper sticker. In case anybody needed to be reminded of what’s happening in Wisconsin isn’t just about Wisconsin, in case anybody needed to be reminded about whose agenda this really is, here is the reminder that Governor Walker has given his whole state. A $340,000 television ad buy from the real billionaire and chemical industry brothers from Wichita. An ad from Americans for Prosperity that is titled, “Stand With Scott Walker.” A nice reminder of whose interest this whole union stripping thing really serves.”
Maddow concluded, “We have now reached the end of day nine of the massive protests in Madison, Wisconsin. Protests that have spread into a number of surrounding states. Republicans wanted this. Republicans had a plan here to hunker down and wait it out. Might be time for them to start thinking about Plan B.
Every day that these protests strongly continue moves the Republicans 24 hours closer to defeat. The protests are gaining steam and national media attention. The backlash against Walker’s Wisconsin union busting scheme is so severe that it is already scaring other Republican governors away from pursuing this ideological dream in their own states.
The reason why the American people have rallied to support the protesters isn’t because they support unions or collective bargaining. The basis for their support rests in our collective American concept of rights. The vast majority of Americans see collective bargaining as a right, and if there is one emotional trigger that will rally the American people behind almost any cause it is the idea that a right is being taken away.
The threat of a lost right provokes a sense of unfairness in many Americans. Their support for unions and collective bargaining becomes a secondary issue. The debate in Wisconsin shifted from a political one behind an economic pretense to a moral one.
The question in the minds of many has become a question of moral rightness. Is it morally correct to strip this right away from a group of people? Republicans are usually very good at making emotional arguments, but Gov. Walker didn’t bother to appeal to emotions. He tried to justify his actions with a phony budget crisis.
State budgets don’t resonate with the hearts of the American people. State budget deficits don’t play well on cable news. A state budget isn’t a great visual. The protesters are winning because they have emotion on their side. They are beating back the biggest threat to employee rights since the New Deal, because they are winning the hearts of the American people.
The people carrying those signs in Madison look like our friends and neighbors. They aren’t angry and threatening. They’re just middle class people who are trying to stop big government from taking away their rights. They are trying to earn a living just like me and you. For this reason, they are winning. Walker and the Republicans have completely misjudged the response of the American people. For them, this was all about business. They thought the American people wouldn’t notice or care. They never anticipated that this could become a moral or emotional conflict. They read it wrong, completely wrong.
In their great overreach, Republicans also did something else. They reenergized the Democratic base. David Koch and Scott Walker have gotten Democrats involved and engaged again. Democrats don’t have a lot of issues that can unify us all, but collective bargaining is one of them. Scott Walker has awoken the Democratic populist spirit. The left is back, and they are not going to go away without a fight.
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Hrafnkell
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Another great show by Rachel and a great analysis and explanation, Jason. She really dissects this whole Koch plot nicely. The Koch boys picked the wrong henchman in Walker, he has proven to be not so bright in falling for the prank call and giving away the game plan. In the major leagues being read like that gets you benched. It will be interesting to see if this clown still has a political career ahead of him or if he will begging to join a union himself soon.
Anne
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 10:37 am
In his conversation with someone he only thought was his ally, Scott Walker bares his morally bankrupt soul and exposes exactly what his intentions are in reference to unions. Now that he has been exposed, there is no way for him to backtrack. He is a clueless Teabagger who has backed himself into a corner because his malice is combined with lack of political sophistication. Wherever the Koch brothers are, they must be imploding with anger that their plan is being derailed.
Sarah Jones
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 11:18 am
For the Republicans to suggest the people of Wisconsin (teachers, firefighters, police, etc) are “freeloaders” is beyond the pale. Hey, Fox Republicans, you Koch suckers, good luck with attacking Midwesterners who have a work ethic that makes you Teabaggers (led by Sarah the Quitter Palin and now Scott the double incompetent and twice pranked in ONE day) look like the lazy camper chair back seat drivers you are — railing against the social security you are collecting. BOTH Palin and Walker cost their state millions of dollars due to their BLATANT INCOMPETENCE. And they rail against workers who have never been sued for being a screw up. What a joke.
Shiva (Moderator)
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 11:33 am
well sailor, it seems to me that Fox news is doing its own people a disservice if they are going to give people stuff to quote and know full well that everyone else knows they are lying
Sarah Jones
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Epistemic closure! The inevitable result of lying to yourself and believing it…..
Shiva (Moderator)
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
and here we have the tea party on the side of big government. Whoever would’ve thought it? I guess that blows their cover.
Scott Walker is getting tons of airtime at least on CNN. I just walked past my television to hear him selling more snake oil.
The Democrats need to stand up and say “this time you took concessions through negotiation. The next time there will be no negotiation on what concessions you take. You will just take them”. And to me that’s what this is all about. This is an about concessions today, this is about concessions forever and how people will end up working for next to nothing while corporations keep getting tax breaks and revenue into the state goes down to literally nothing. How better for the Koch brothers to own states at little cost to themselves? The same thing is happening on the national level. Corporations are not hiring people. And if they do hire they are hiring people that are already employed. a state or a federal government with little income is a weak government. One that does nothing for its citizens that can be used by the elite
Reynardine
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 11:33 am
The evidence suggests Mr. Walker had little or no prior personal contact with his owner, and he was just widdling all over himself at the prospect of getting a yummy for a job well done. With any other configuration, he’d not have fallen for this, and certainly not with that response. Most indicative, Watson.
Hrafnkell
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 11:35 am
I concur, Captain…er, Reynardine :)
Milan Carlos
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Play in two acts:
First Act, Scene One
(Phone is heard ringing)
Ring, Ring
Scott Walker: Hello?
Citizen: I want my voice heard.
(SW hangs up phone furiously)
Slam!
Second Act, Scene One
(Phone is heard ringing)
Ring, Ring
Scott Walker: Hello?
Billionaire: I want my voice heard.
Scott Walker: Yes master; how may I help?
tzx4
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Ms. Maddow is awesome. Seems every clip I see of a Fox “News” pundit talking they look like they just swallowed a toad, or are sitting on a bed of nails. Ms. Maddow in contrast, is smiling and happy as she delivers her message.
tzx4
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
BTW for more side splitting fun, incase anyone here is not aware, Google Sara Palin’s phone call with Canadian radio pranksters posing a Mr Sarkhozy of France.
Jeff
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Im a little confused by a couple things mentioned here, maybe someone can clear them up for me. First, it is said that the Republicans are hunkering down as a stategy, but wasnt it the Democrats who fled the state? Also, the suggestion that what Gov. Walker is doing is somehow big government authoritarianism seems illogical. These are government employees afterall. A big government mandate would be more akin to raising salaries or expanding benefits at taxpayers expense in a time of budgetary crises.
Shiva (Moderator)
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
The Dems fled the state to prevent the republicans from having the required quorum in the congress of Wisconsin. They did that in order to prevent the republicans from taking away the collective bargaining rights and break the union. The claims on Walker are not illogical, big government authoritarianism is taking away peoples rights and lowering any voice they may have on their jobs and wages. Big government doesnt just mean its spending too much, it also means its forcing itself on to you. Which is this situation. Big government has many definitions, such as the bill put in recently in Iowa(or Idaho) that stares can refuse to serve you if you do not meet certain religious standards. Of course that wont go anywheres.
The budgetary crisis is there because Walker threw away a surplus that they would have had by dropping the amount that corporations are taxed. Needlessly. Surplus gone
bigdaddyb
Feb. 25th, 2011 at 6:55 am
so by fleeing the state aren’t they shirking their duty to show up to work? so from now on if we don’t agree with the other side we can just hide out and wait for it to come to an end? If they show up to collect their paychecks for this month they should be charged with defrauding the government of wisconsin. Show up for work and do your job.
anonymous
Feb. 25th, 2011 at 8:47 am
No, they are serving their constituents.
It’s the state equivalent of the filibuster.
taylor192
Feb. 25th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
No they are not.
They are setting a precedent, that if you don’t like it walk out and wait. What prevents the Republicans from doing exactly the same thing if the roles are eventually reversed? No government can function this way.
The democratic thing to do is show up and do your job as best you can, then wait for an election. If more Democrats are elected, then they can reverse this.
Sarah Jones
Feb. 25th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Lincoln did the same thing, actually.
Ozzal
Feb. 25th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
It’s not that they’re shirking their duties, this is the only way for the bill not to pass. If they show up, there would be enough reps present for the quorum and then the Republicans would easily pass this. So by not showing up, they’re doing the only thing they can to not pass this bill.
Robert
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Mass media the puppet of the right failed to control the message, the internet wins. In fact even Fox not-News had to back off, lest it become a standing joke that where ever Fox not-News goes, people would shout “FOX LIES’, that still might happen, they are really right on the edge of the public acceptance limit.
galactus6x
Feb. 24th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Bravo Rachel! Hey they are not sitting on toads, they ARE toads! LOL!
Eric
Feb. 25th, 2011 at 3:28 am
I listened to the tape. It seemed to me that Walker was speaking to the possibility that the union would send in agitators.
But from many accounts, they already have.